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(9 to 5 Mac)   Possibly-fake benchmark indicates the iPhone 5's magic 1.02GHz dual-core chip outperforms the 1.4GHz quad-core ones used by the fastest Android devices on the market. Reality distortion field - it works, biatches   (9to5mac.com) divider line 139
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2012-09-16 10:24:10 PM
So you're willing to parrot whatever anti-Apple propaganda they pump into your empty head, but you want to fact-check on this item?

Brilliant.
 
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2012-09-16 10:33:30 PM
"Possibly-fake benchmark indicates the iPhone 5's magic 1.02GHz dual-core chip outperforms the 1.4GHz quad-core ones used by the fastest Android devices on the market. Reality distortion field - it works, biatches"

It is entirely possible for Apple to have a slower clock speed but to have a higher performing computer. Things like processor cache size and buss speed have more impact on performance than clock speed.
 
2012-09-16 10:47:29 PM

NFA: "Possibly-fake benchmark indicates the iPhone 5's magic 1.02GHz dual-core chip outperforms the 1.4GHz quad-core ones used by the fastest Android devices on the market. Reality distortion field - it works, biatches"

It is entirely possible for Apple to have a slower clock speed but to have a higher performing computer. Things like processor cache size and buss speed have more impact on performance than clock speed.


I have no clue if this metric is real or not, but if it is, it should be noted that:

1) A Nexus 7 is nowhere near the fastest Android Devices on the market. Its processor is essentially the same as my TF300's - roughly 1.2 GHz Quad-core Tegra 3s. The new Transformer Infinity can outperform the iPhone 5 "metric" by 200 points.

2) The Galaxy S3 running Jelly Bean is still faster than this iPhone 5 "Metric".
 
2012-09-16 11:00:12 PM

RexTalionis: NFA: "Possibly-fake benchmark indicates the iPhone 5's magic 1.02GHz dual-core chip outperforms the 1.4GHz quad-core ones used by the fastest Android devices on the market. Reality distortion field - it works, biatches"

It is entirely possible for Apple to have a slower clock speed but to have a higher performing computer. Things like processor cache size and buss speed have more impact on performance than clock speed.

I have no clue if this metric is real or not, but if it is, it should be noted that:

1) A Nexus 7 is nowhere near the fastest Android Devices on the market. Its processor is essentially the same as my TF300's - roughly 1.2 GHz Quad-core Tegra 3s. The new Transformer Infinity can outperform the iPhone 5 "metric" by 200 points.

2) The Galaxy S3 running Jelly Bean is still faster than this iPhone 5 "Metric".


The speed they list is pretty much on par with the S3 if you have the power manager on while not plugged in. I see the average is closer to 1800, either plugged in or with power management off.
 
2012-09-16 11:38:15 PM
I'm thrilled with my new nexus 7. I work for Verizon and am not looking forward to the iPhone 5. It's going to be hell. I wonder if I can get the entire 4th quarter until Christmas off.
 
2012-09-16 11:45:32 PM
Define 'performs'

Is the metric fanboi wetdreams per hour, then it might win.
 
2012-09-16 11:45:53 PM
Most Andriod devices have an entire development team smaller that the team Apple has working on their chips alone.

Entire device vs just the chip, same number of people, which product will have the better chips do you think?
 
2012-09-16 11:54:05 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm thrilled with my new nexus 7. I work for Verizon and am not looking forward to the iPhone 5. It's going to be hell. I wonder if I can get the entire 4th quarter until Christmas off.


The iPhone 5 might not make it to market before Christmas. It's LTE, and Samsung sure as fark is going to sue for that. They'll ask for the same sales ban Apple was rewarded against them, and there's a decent chance they get it.
 
2012-09-17 12:11:14 AM
AMD 6-core processors cant hold shiat to Intel quad core processors.

More cores does not mean faster machine if your processor cores suck ass
 
2012-09-17 12:18:46 AM
Is this the thread where people take sides on which $199 w/ 2-yr contract cell phone is totally the best and the other side is brainwashed?

GAT_00: The iPhone 5 might not make it to market before Christmas. It's LTE, and Samsung sure as fark is going to sue for that. They'll ask for the same sales ban Apple was rewarded against them, and there's a decent chance they get it.


Seeing as how people have already ordered the iPhone 5, many have already been shipped, and they are set to be delivered this Friday....good luck with that.
 
2012-09-17 12:37:07 AM
iPhone 5s are now available for review?
 
2012-09-17 01:00:09 AM

GAT_00: ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm thrilled with my new nexus 7. I work for Verizon and am not looking forward to the iPhone 5. It's going to be hell. I wonder if I can get the entire 4th quarter until Christmas off.

The iPhone 5 might not make it to market before Christmas. It's LTE, and Samsung sure as fark is going to sue for that. They'll ask for the same sales ban Apple was rewarded against them, and there's a decent chance they get it.


Wishful thinking. I would love that. The commission on iPhones is close to zero. It's like working for free unless the hipsters buy shiatloads of accessories from you, which they don't. They hit up Amazon.
 
2012-09-17 01:08:44 AM
While is is pretty easy to fake Geekbench results.........................
 
2012-09-17 01:27:32 AM
I like my iphone 3GS just fine. Probably get a 4GS pretty soon, now that they're giving them away. :)
 
2012-09-17 01:30:15 AM
I find it interesting that the android advocates will tout geekbench when its results conform to their views, but will deride it if it shows that their preconceptions are in error.
 
2012-09-17 01:42:13 AM

crypticsatellite: I find it interesting that the android advocates will tout geekbench when its results conform to their views, but will deride it if it shows that their preconceptions are in error.


And this benchmark will produce much hate. I am willing to bet that if you were in an elevator with people of either side, you could have one person fart and another person show a fake benchmark and there would be much more hatred towards the benchmark person who shows their device is slower.
 
2012-09-17 01:47:41 AM
I have never had a smrt phone so it is weird to think of people saying "OMG your phone is so much slower than mine", it all just looks like iPeen measuring to me.

Buy what you like, I'm sure you did your homework and have your reasons.
 
2012-09-17 01:49:05 AM
a 1.0ghz Bulldozer core will outrun the chips in any phones on the market
its not that surprising
 
2012-09-17 01:49:53 AM

IronTom: Define 'performs'

Is the metric fanboi wetdreams per hour, then it might win.


You should work in engineering. I would love to bench things in wetdreams/hr.
 
2012-09-17 02:05:14 AM
People who use iPhones are all hipsters.

People who use Android are clearly superior, and probably have really awesome gaming PC's at home that they built themselves.

Smart people realize that it's a farking cell phone and not two shiats should be given to what anybody else's preference is, as long as you enjoy the product that you paid for.

Have I summed up this thread?
 
2012-09-17 02:17:12 AM

WalkingSnake: People who use iPhones are all hipsters.

People who use Android are clearly superior, and probably have really awesome gaming PC's at home that they built themselves.

Smart people realize that it's a farking cell phone and not two shiats should be given to what anybody else's preference is, as long as you enjoy the product that you paid for.

Have I summed up this thread?


Pretty much, but don't forget "whatever band you download for a ringtone sucks."
 
2012-09-17 02:20:01 AM
The real news: Who cares?

/I'd still take a Samsung over an iphone any day/week/month/year, etc.
 
2012-09-17 02:27:00 AM
What the hell are you doing with your phone that you need it to be bleeding edge fast? No matter what the brand.

Does Angry Birds and streaming porn really take much?
 
2012-09-17 02:30:19 AM
I had no idea that Nexus 7 was that powerful, I really need to get one of those.

Also, isn't the phone not out yet?
 
2012-09-17 02:38:42 AM

WalkingSnake: Smart people realize that it's a farking cell phone and not two shiats should be given to what anybody else's preference is, as long as you enjoy the product that you paid for.

Have I summed up this thread?


Pretty much. I have a two year old Galaxy S running CM9. Not going to upgrade until I switch carriers.
 
2012-09-17 02:41:52 AM

whither_apophis: don't forget "whatever band you download for a ringtone sucks."


Why pay money to download a ringtone when I can make my own?
 
2012-09-17 02:50:18 AM
While the idea of this chip being that fast is feasible. It's not very likely.

Apple doesn't make their own chips. They adapt technology from ARM into their SOC setup which Foxconn manufactures for that.

So if that technology was out there the other manufactures would know about it and be putting into their phone.
 
2012-09-17 02:52:45 AM
Unless you're using the phone for modeling molecular folding or analyzing radiotelescope data in the search for ET, what do you care how fast it is, as long as it runs fast enough to do the things you use your phone for? Desktop PCs got fast enough for me a couple of generations back, and when I build a new one these days, I buy a processor that's at least a couple of steps down from the fastest available. Maybe somebody who wants to run a game in HHHHD quality at 6000 fps would find it inadequate (more a function of the GPU anyway), but let those guys pay $6000 for a machine, mine is just fine. The same principle applies to phones.
 
2012-09-17 02:57:32 AM
It seems that these results are immediately postfaced by several statements that make this benchmark completely meaningless. Android or apple, a benchmark that doesn't adequately gauge device performance is not a benchmark at all.
 
2012-09-17 02:58:11 AM
I wonder if the fact that iOS apps are compiled (from Objective-C) to native code, while Android apps are Java programs running on the JavaVM has any bearing on the speed issue?

/ Yes.
 
2012-09-17 03:01:20 AM
Who would imagine that a brand new ARMv7 chip would deliver top of the line performance?
 
2012-09-17 03:03:25 AM
RexTalionis:2) The Galaxy
S3 running Jelly Bean is still faster than this iPhone 5 "Metric".


The real reason Apple's lawyers have gone all slap-happy on Samsung?
 
2012-09-17 03:19:12 AM

violentsalvation: I have never had a smrt phone so it is weird to think of people saying "OMG your phone is so much slower than mine", it all just looks like iPeen measuring to me.

Buy what you like, I'm sure you did your homework and have your reasons.


Your argument is literally "I don't know what you're talking about, therefore the argument is stupid". Just thought I'd point that out.

/Though it is pretty stupid
 
2012-09-17 03:21:20 AM

jjorsett: Unless you're using the phone for modeling molecular folding or analyzing radiotelescope data in the search for ET, what do you care how fast it is, as long as it runs fast enough to do the things you use your phone for? Desktop PCs got fast enough for me a couple of generations back, and when I build a new one these days, I buy a processor that's at least a couple of steps down from the fastest available. Maybe somebody who wants to run a game in HHHHD quality at 6000 fps would find it inadequate (more a function of the GPU anyway), but let those guys pay $6000 for a machine, mine is just fine. The same principle applies to phones.


SOMETIMES ANGRY BIRDS LAGS AND THE PHYSICS BUGS OUT, AND I DON'T BEAT MY HIGH SCORE

I WILL ACCEPT ANY REDUCTION IN BATTERY LIFE OUR INCREASE IN PRICE TO CORRECT THIS
 
2012-09-17 03:29:29 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: GAT_00: ecmoRandomNumbers: I'm thrilled with my new nexus 7. I work for Verizon and am not looking forward to the iPhone 5. It's going to be hell. I wonder if I can get the entire 4th quarter until Christmas off.

The iPhone 5 might not make it to market before Christmas. It's LTE, and Samsung sure as fark is going to sue for that. They'll ask for the same sales ban Apple was rewarded against them, and there's a decent chance they get it.

Wishful thinking. I would love that. The commission on iPhones is close to zero. It's like working for free unless the hipsters buy shiatloads of accessories from you, which they don't. They hit up Amazon.



Hahaha, look at this dumbass who thinks commission based sales is a viable career. Let me guess, former cutco/electrolux tard? Get a real job, jackwagon. Don't complain that people don't want to buy your shiatty overpriced bullshiat accessories.

I hope amazon absolutely kills your line of work.
 
2012-09-17 03:37:23 AM
Next up on "Idiots and Technology", we compare the iPhone 5's CPU to the blazing fast Pentium III 1.4 Ghz.
 
2012-09-17 03:57:12 AM

cman: AMD 6-core processors cant hold shiat to Intel quad core processors.

More cores does not mean faster machine if your processor cores suck ass


Yeah, but how much is a Nexus 7 vs an iPhone 5? Same goes for AMD vs Intel. You still have to pay for that extra per-core speed (not to mention the motherboards). Plus, in the vast majority of situations you won't even care. Ooh, 120fps instead of 100fps on that game. 30 seconds faster encoding that video. *shrug*
 
2012-09-17 04:04:33 AM

SomeTexan: I wonder if the fact that iOS apps are compiled (from Objective-C) to native code, while Android apps are Java programs running on the JavaVM has any bearing on the speed issue?


Native code is not always better. Once you compile a C program, that's it. Any changes or advancements in your processor series are not taken into consideration until you recompile. More powerful or more efficient ops? Not yours. A deeper pipeline that might require different optimizations in branch prediction? Not yours. Just look at the differences between i386, Netburst and Core.

Java programs have the benefit that existing bytecode can be tuned for the latest processor as long as the JVM is aware of it. So I can take a 15 year-old Java program and have the bytecode run on my i7 with almost all of the benefits that it provides. But that C program I compiled back in the day with -march="pentium-mmx" set is going to know nothing about SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AES and AVX extensions.

Oh, and unless you release a separate binary for each processor generation or release a fat binary with all of them, that C program is immediately going to be unoptimized for a number of processors. 


/programs in C99 and Java
//no preference as to which is better
 
2012-09-17 04:09:25 AM

kingoomieiii: jjorsett: Unless you're using the phone for modeling molecular folding or analyzing radiotelescope data in the search for ET, what do you care how fast it is, as long as it runs fast enough to do the things you use your phone for? Desktop PCs got fast enough for me a couple of generations back, and when I build a new one these days, I buy a processor that's at least a couple of steps down from the fastest available. Maybe somebody who wants to run a game in HHHHD quality at 6000 fps would find it inadequate (more a function of the GPU anyway), but let those guys pay $6000 for a machine, mine is just fine. The same principle applies to phones.

SOMETIMES ANGRY BIRDS LAGS AND THE PHYSICS BUGS OUT, AND I DON'T BEAT MY HIGH SCORE

I WILL ACCEPT ANY REDUCTION IN BATTERY LIFE OUR INCREASE IN PRICE TO CORRECT THIS


+5, Informative
 
2012-09-17 04:35:43 AM
So, I'm going to make this real simple. I'm on Verizon, and I'm getting a new smartphone before the end of the year. I have a blackberry and it's garbage, so I won't be getting another one of those. Fark, tell me what phone to get.

/and don't give me any of that "switch carriers" crap
 
2012-09-17 04:41:44 AM

jm105: whither_apophis: don't forget "whatever band you download for a ringtone sucks."

Why pay money to download a ringtone when I can make my own?


Jim can you point me to the tools so i can learn to make mu own ringtones. I have some weird al audio id love to have as a text tone.
 
2012-09-17 04:44:04 AM
Anyone know why the HTC One S seems to outperform the One X rather comprehensively?
 
2012-09-17 05:30:57 AM

jjorsett: Unless you're using the phone for modeling molecular folding or analyzing radiotelescope data in the search for ET, what do you care how fast it is, as long as it runs fast enough to do the things you use your phone for? Desktop PCs got fast enough for me a couple of generations back, and when I build a new one these days, I buy a processor that's at least a couple of steps down from the fastest available. Maybe somebody who wants to run a game in HHHHD quality at 6000 fps would find it inadequate (more a function of the GPU anyway), but let those guys pay $6000 for a machine, mine is just fine. The same principle applies to phones.


so much this!
before I want a faster processor in my phone, I want a real (normal-sized) keyboard and display and a mouse , and that is not possible if it is to stay a phone.
Hell, I don't even need the kind of power they are talking about for much of my desktop computing.
Reminds me of the calculator-wristwatches that were cool when I was a kid
 
Xai
2012-09-17 05:56:13 AM
Point of benchmarking a graphics card - so you can decide what to buy

Point of benchmarking an iPhone - To justify the phone you've already bought
 
2012-09-17 06:11:54 AM
Blipponaut: "does angry birds and streaming porn really take that much?"

Not sure about the birds but omg yes. A thousand times yes.
/plus the anti-virus screaming in the background for help
 
2012-09-17 06:17:26 AM

SomeTexan: I wonder if the fact that iOS apps are compiled (from Objective-C) to native code, while Android apps are Java programs running on the JavaVM has any bearing on the speed issue?

/ Yes.


The Dalvik VM (which Android uses, not Java) uses JIT compilation, meaning that most code is compiled to native ops before execution. On the flip side, Objective C inserts a messaging layer that does really weird things to caching. Performance comparison between vanilla C and a JIT language is nontrivial, let alone with Objective C; it's therefore not really an important factor.
 
2012-09-17 06:18:47 AM

blipponaut: What the hell are you doing with your phone that you need it to be bleeding edge fast? No matter what the brand.

Does Angry Birds and streaming porn really take much?


This.

I have two year old single core Android phone. I rarely if ever lock up or even notice a delay in performance - what the hell are you guys doing with your phones where a 5 to 10% advantage matters worth a damn?
 
2012-09-17 06:25:20 AM

vonschiller: So, I'm going to make this real simple. I'm on Verizon, and I'm getting a new smartphone before the end of the year. I have a blackberry and it's garbage, so I won't be getting another one of those. Fark, tell me what phone to get.

/and don't give me any of that "switch carriers" crap


Android lets you tinker more. IOS has some shiny stuff not easily available on Android. If you're coming over from BlackBerry, either will work
 
2012-09-17 06:46:04 AM

Dinjiin: SomeTexan: I wonder if the fact that iOS apps are compiled (from Objective-C) to native code, while Android apps are Java programs running on the JavaVM has any bearing on the speed issue?

Native code is not always better. Once you compile a C program, that's it. Any changes or advancements in your processor series are not taken into consideration until you recompile. More powerful or more efficient ops? Not yours. A deeper pipeline that might require different optimizations in branch prediction? Not yours. Just look at the differences between i386, Netburst and Core.

Java programs have the benefit that existing bytecode can be tuned for the latest processor as long as the JVM is aware of it. So I can take a 15 year-old Java program and have the bytecode run on my i7 with almost all of the benefits that it provides. But that C program I compiled back in the day with -march="pentium-mmx" set is going to know nothing about SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, AES and AVX extensions.

Oh, and unless you release a separate binary for each processor generation or release a fat binary with all of them, that C program is immediately going to be unoptimized for a number of processors. 

/programs in C99 and Java
//no preference as to which is better



The generations are much more frequent with phones, it's true, but we are talking about a bright shiny new iPhone 5 vs. a bright shiny new Samsung Galaxy S III. I think that my observation makes sense, since we are comparing the most recent generations of each. 

I have no dog in the language race; rather I prefer to use the language that let me get the work done. But even with JIT compiling and constant performance tweaks happening all the time, in general, a compiled language that generates good code has a head start over an interpreted one or one running on a VM.

I'm not an Apple fanboi, either. I prefer open platforms. Android is not exactly open, but it's closer to it than iOS.
 
2012-09-17 06:50:56 AM
"geek" use to have a different meaning. in their day they were honorable and respected.
 
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