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(LA Times)   The Boy Scouts have been covering for child predators for almost 100 years. Bonus: "Upon Father Micarelli's recommendation, the parents were not notified"   (latimes.com) divider line 136
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2012-09-17 01:50:03 AM

President Merkin Muffley: So by that logic, all cops are deranged?


I think it's the steroids.
 
2012-09-17 01:50:40 AM

Generation_D: In about 400 of those cases - 80% - there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found

Yet again, the organization with the biggest public anti-gay stance has one of the most enabling policies privately.

It has really become a marker -- the more a person or organization protests, the more they are in the closet. It should be widely known, because there's more organizations out there (Second Mile anyone?) that have yet to be independently audited for child rape or condoning it/covering it up.


Whoa there Tex! Sounds to me like both of you are equating being gay with being pedo. Not necessarily the same, not by a long shot. From the outrage and the choice of words, you both sound like libs, and saying gay = pedo is definitely NOT a lib (nor a conservative) stance.
 
2012-09-17 01:50:43 AM

WTF Indeed: How this thread will go:


Let me handle that for you: WTF Indeed will preemptively attack anyone who dares to criticize an organisation which has a documented history of covering up for child molesters. He will do so by the use of straw-man arguments, opening himself to ridicule and contempt from his fellow farkers.

FTA:
In the majority of cases, the Scouts learned of alleged abuse after it had been reported to authorities. But in more than 500 instances, the Scouts learned about it from boys, parents, staff members or anonymous tips.

In about 400 of those cases - 80% - there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found.


This is the "fine organization" you are passionately defending.
 
2012-09-17 01:55:14 AM
Penis,
why do you ruin everything???
 
2012-09-17 01:55:17 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

Teachers fark students all the time. Why no, OMG ALL TEACHERS ARE PEDOS?


Because their doesn't seem to be a national policy of education authorities covering it up.
 
2012-09-17 01:56:06 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.


That just means your troop was full of uggos.
 
2012-09-17 02:02:32 AM

zez: I'm an eagle scout and my scoutmaster and assistant would probably be in jail for the stuff they put is through.

The one leader was an adventurer with his own routes up the tetons and other big climbs so he would have us 12 year olds do survivalist type campouts and other crazy stuff.

/best time of my life
//still doesn't count it as camping if you haven't walked at least 10 miles


In the late 80's and early 90's I was in a military troop at the USCGAS Kodiak. We have everything from active duty SEALS (small detachment from Team 1) to retired Green Berets to guys that were Rangers or Marine Scout Snipers before re-entering the service with the Coast Guard. The stuff we did would make most other troops weep. Go camping when the windchill was -40? Sounds like fun! Canoe 50+ miles, hike 20 and then pitch camp without tents? OK but first we have to hop a space-A flight to the mainland in the back of a C-130. Go to the end of the road and then go another 10 miles then go down a 150 foot cliff? What do you mean we have to wait will the weekend? Nearly every single one of our camping trips was in survival situation mode.

There were no pedos around us at any time. If anybody had tried they wouldn't have come back from the next camping trip. Plenty of people vanish up there. If I remember right there are a few Fark Coasties that have been stationed up there. You know what I mean when I say when I talk about the back country out behind Barometer or out by the Olds River. The beaches out along Fossil Beach before the launch site was built behind the bluffs. Good times.
 
2012-09-17 02:03:35 AM

stoli n coke: President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

That just means your troop was full of uggos.


One of our assistant scout masters brought his daughter along on a few camp outs. We ended up in a few classes together in high school and molested each other.
 
2012-09-17 02:03:44 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: In a 1987 case in Washington state, a district executive wrote to the national office complaining that his boss had refused to put a former scoutmaster on the blacklist, despite a molestation conviction, "because he has done so much for camp and is a nice guy."

Okay - will someone please explain to me how this happens? Is this some kind of male bonding "boys will be boys" backslapping thing, where any sex is OK, as long as you're a nice guy otherwise? Because I have to say - no matter how nice I thought a guy was, a proven molestation conviction would make me immediately change that opinion.


It wasn't considered as serious and prosecutable crime in the 80's. They were more prone to excuse nonviolent sexual contact as "sort of mutual consent", and only a technical point that consent was legally not possible, and just inappropriate but not inherently of great harm. And that bringing it up publicly would be of greater harm to the child. And to give the org such a disgraceful association in public would do more harm to kids because fewer parents would send their kids to scouts and they'd grow up without leadership.
 
2012-09-17 02:03:56 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

Teachers fark students all the time. Why no, OMG ALL TEACHERS ARE PEDOS?


Pfft, when's the last time a President was molested?

/Clinton doesn't count
 
2012-09-17 02:06:37 AM
This guy was my First Aid merit badge counselor. I only recall that was a very boring Saturday. Even the molester thought me unappealing.

csb
 
2012-09-17 02:09:52 AM

Gelatinous: Penis,
why do you ruin everything???


That's just how he rolls.

If these leaders were females that looked like Valerie Bertanelli in the third season of One Day At a Time, would we be giving the victims high fives instead?
 
2012-09-17 02:14:56 AM

WTF Indeed: Step 5: Again, not all boy scouts are pedophiles and/or hate gays. The Boy Scouts of America is fine organization that is only as strong as it's weakest members.

Step 6: Shut up, baby raper!


Ignoring all the strawderp in your post, if the Boy Scouts of America is only as strong as it's weakest members, then it's not very strong, is it?
 
2012-09-17 02:15:13 AM
What, is the [Obvious] tag out having a smoke break?
 
2012-09-17 02:17:30 AM

puffy999: President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

Teachers fark students all the time. Why no, OMG ALL TEACHERS ARE PEDOS?

Pfft, when's the last time a President was molested?

/Clinton doesn't count

 
2012-09-17 02:25:28 AM

RagnarD: This guy was my First Aid merit badge counselor. I only recall that was a very boring Saturday. Even the molester thought me unappealing.

csb


southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

WHY didn't you molest me? Was I not GOOD enough for you, was that it??
 
2012-09-17 02:25:52 AM
WHY GOD WHY? WHY DO ALL THESE SICK MANIPULATIVE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO JOIN RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS? IS THERE A CONNECTION LORD? GIVE ME A SIGN!

derp.
 
2012-09-17 02:30:05 AM

TomD9938: If these leaders were females that looked like Valerie Bertanelli in the third season of One Day At a Time, would we be giving the victims high fives instead?


They'd be giving each other high fives, while we looked on jealously.
/or so I hear
 
2012-09-17 02:38:45 AM
Silly la times, it's only wrong to have sex with consenting adults.
 
2012-09-17 02:41:29 AM
So, when is the NCAA going to step in to cancel summer camp for a few years and vacate a decade worth of merit badges earned by scouts unrelated to the incidents?
 
2012-09-17 02:42:55 AM

WTF Indeed: Umm, not all Boy Scouts are pedophiles.


You left out 7. Some dickweed will come along and white-knight the BSA even though they systematically covered up abuse.
 
2012-09-17 02:46:46 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

Teachers fark students all the time. Why no, OMG ALL TEACHERS ARE PEDOS?


When teachers unions and (non-parochial) schools systematically protect the child molesters and act to suppress accusers your butthurt whinging might have a point. I'm really sorry you're too God damned stupid to understand that.
 
2012-09-17 02:48:23 AM
Dammit! Looks like we're going to have to revoke one of someone's badges....

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-09-17 02:52:05 AM

UseLessHuman: WHY GOD WHY? WHY DO ALL THESE SICK MANIPULATIVE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO JOIN RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS? IS THERE A CONNECTION LORD? GIVE ME A SIGN!

derp.


WHY GOD WHY? WHY DO THESE GROUPS COVER UP THE MOLESTATIONS? WHY ARE THEY MORE CONCERNED WITH THEIR IMAGE THAN THE WELFARE OF THE CHILDREN IN THEIR CHARGE?

Dipshiat.
 
2012-09-17 02:55:05 AM

President Merkin Muffley: 12349876: President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

Teachers fark students all the time. Why no, OMG ALL TEACHERS ARE PEDOS?

The cover up. You're always going to run into bad apples through life, but only the truly deranged cover up for them.

So by that logic, all cops are deranged?


Dude, face it - your beloved organization had a system in place, lawyers and everything, to protect its image above protecting its members from sexual predators. THAT IS REALLY FARKED UP.
 
2012-09-17 03:06:50 AM
What!? A religious group covering for pedophile molesters? Color me shocked!
 
2012-09-17 03:24:38 AM
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"I haven't had this much sex since I was a Boy Scout leader!"

/Too soon?
 
2012-09-17 03:26:41 AM

Transubstantive: Dude, face it - your beloved organization had a system in place, lawyers and everything, to protect its image above protecting its members from sexual predators. THAT IS REALLY FARKED UP.


Yes, that is really farked up. But it still does not detract from the fact that the Boy Scouts have had a huge and positive influence on millions of scouts and scout leaders.
 
2012-09-17 03:29:14 AM
Two words - BOY'S TOWN. [shudder]
 
2012-09-17 03:41:17 AM

Gunther: WTF Indeed: How this thread will go:

Let me handle that for you: WTF Indeed will preemptively attack anyone who dares to criticize an organisation which has a documented history of covering up for child molesters. He will do so by the use of straw-man arguments, opening himself to ridicule and contempt from his fellow farkers.

FTA:
In the majority of cases, the Scouts learned of alleged abuse after it had been reported to authorities. But in more than 500 instances, the Scouts learned about it from boys, parents, staff members or anonymous tips.

In about 400 of those cases - 80% - there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found.

This is the "fine organization" you are passionately defending.


OK, let's be fair to everyone.

According to the Times article, there were 1600 cases reported over a 20 year period, from 1970-1991. About 80 cases per year. In the MAJORITY of those cases, i.e. 1600 - 500 = 900, the children and/or their parents reported the attack to the cops FIRST and NOT the Boy Scouts. Hence, there could be no cover-up in 900 of the cases, because the Scouts learned of it only after the report was filed.

Of the remaining cases, 400 have no record of the Scouts contacting the cops. By simple math, that means that in 100 cases, 500 - 400 = 100, therefore, the Scouts DID in fact contact the cops. Only in 100 of the cases of the 400 not reported did the Scouts actively encourage the boys to STFU and get on with life. So in 1500 of the known cases, either the Scouts did not know of the abuse until afterward, in 100 cases they reported the abuse themselves, and in 300 they simply ignored the whole mess. I.e. there's no evidence even in the Times article that they actively blocked prosecution. Only in those 100 cases did they block or discourage prosecution.

Now, 100 cases is 100 too many. And 300 cases where they ignored the allegations is likewise 300 too many. However, let's not jump completely overboard and presume that the Scouts were covering up for and obstructing prosecution willy-nilly between `1970-1991. Let's place our outrage on the right targets for a change.
 
2012-09-17 03:45:15 AM
My goodness, I am so glad I don't feel any inclination, urge, compulsion or calling to lead, coach or mentor any group of young boys in any sort of sporting, athletic or physical activity.

Not charismatic either. Basically, I wouldn't make a very good pedophile.
 
2012-09-17 04:15:32 AM
And this is why we need a more out-in-the-open society: That way Boy Scouts could specify that ONLY lesbians work with the boys and Girl Scouts could specify that ONLY gay men work with girls. Talk about getting stuff done! No sexual tension, guaranteed.
 
2012-09-17 04:43:22 AM
And on top of all this, they've ruined the old "Shakespeare Festival" excuse.
 
2012-09-17 04:45:33 AM
Most if not all scouts ping my gaydar so vehemently I fear for the indicator needle bending against the stop peg.

// you know
// what I mean
 
2012-09-17 05:34:02 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: My goodness, I am so glad I don't feel any inclination, urge, compulsion or calling to lead, coach or mentor any group of young boys in any sort of sporting, athletic or physical activity.

Not charismatic either. Basically, I wouldn't make a very good pedophile.


But what if someone opened up a StarCraft-club for young'uns in your neighborhood? :O
 
2012-09-17 06:20:52 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: And this is why we need a more out-in-the-open society: That way Boy Scouts could specify that ONLY lesbians work with the boys and Girl Scouts could specify that ONLY gay men work with girls. Talk about getting stuff done! No sexual tension, guaranteed.


That idea has some merit.

/ya really
 
2012-09-17 06:25:09 AM
This should have the OBVIOUS tag, obviously. If anyone is surprised, I would be surprised...
 
2012-09-17 06:52:38 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Generation_D: In about 400 of those cases - 80% - there is no record of Scouting officials reporting the allegations to police. In more than 100 of the cases, officials actively sought to conceal the alleged abuse or allowed the suspects to hide it, The Times found

Yet again, the organization with the biggest public anti-gay stance has one of the most enabling policies privately.

It has really become a marker -- the more a person or organization protests, the more they are in the closet. It should be widely known, because there's more organizations out there (Second Mile anyone?) that have yet to be independently audited for child rape or condoning it/covering it up.

Whoa there Tex! Sounds to me like both of you are equating being gay with being pedo. Not necessarily the same, not by a long shot. From the outrage and the choice of words, you both sound like libs, and saying gay = pedo is definitely NOT a lib (nor a conservative) stance.


That's how the comments read to me too.

I can only hope their actual intention was that self-hating closeted religious gays who join gay-hating religious organisations end acting out against any handy victim. So correlations != causation but this is what happens when you tell people they are evil and homosexuality is a choice? I guess.

If there is in fact any evidence that the molesters are gay, that is. I imagine most of them were Pillars of the Community (wife and kids included).
 
2012-09-17 07:13:57 AM
I was never in Scouts as a kid, but it's been great for my son, who's 17, and finishing up his Eagle. His troop has always been run by active parents with kids of their own in the troop.....and they've been pretty strict on 'two-deep' leadership (meaning no single adult alone with any scout), Scouts tents are separated from adult tents on campouts, and everyone gets a background check before being allowed to tag along on any Scout event.

I think the Scouts should be able to have a 'banned' list, but everyone who makes it onto that list should have a little check box next to their name that says 'Police notified?' If that box isn't checked, then the name of the person who signed off on it should be considered evidence in any investigation.
 
2012-09-17 07:54:45 AM

Mock26: Transubstantive: Dude, face it - your beloved organization had a system in place, lawyers and everything, to protect its image above protecting its members from sexual predators. THAT IS REALLY FARKED UP.

Yes, that is really farked up. But it still does not detract from the fact that the Boy Scouts have had a huge and positive influence on millions of scouts and scout leaders.


Jerry Sandusky and his charity helped so many fatherless young boys...
 
2012-09-17 07:58:14 AM

Gyrfalcon: 1600 - 500 = 900 1100

 
2012-09-17 08:22:46 AM

sigdiamond2000: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 200x150]

"Many grown men who seek out activities where they're in charge of young boys tend to do so out of the need to dominate them physically or emotionally."


I wouldn't say many, most work with the scouts because of their own kids involvement but obviously the pedos are going to want to go where the little boys are. And any organization that is supposed to be about helping kids will be afraid of negative publicity involving molesters, the Boy Scouts clearly is just another example of why covering it up rather than facing the issue head on ends up blowing up on you eventually.
 
2012-09-17 08:24:37 AM
Its not just the scout masters that are the problem, the older boys are probably worse abusers than any scout master. In our troop the older boys would conduct the most disgusting "games" on the younger boys at camp, most were sexual in nature. The threat of reprisal and being shunned by the older boys and your friends for 'ratting' was enough to keep it quiet. This wasn't confined to just our troop, they got the ideas from other boys in other troops so I'm willing to say it probably happens in most troops.
 
2012-09-17 08:38:57 AM
I am an Assistant Scout Master and before this, I was a Cub Master. I have been fingerprinted by the FBI as well. The BSA enforces a 2-deep leadership program where no boy is allowed to be in a one-on-one situation with an adult at any time. They drill this into your head so that it becomes second nature. So much so that a Mom was going to walk all of 50' away from me and leave her son with me around the bend. Without even a second thought, I told her to stop, come back, and take her son with her. She looked at me and I told her this is not allowed by the rules and such. I felt bad, but the rules are the rules. I was a boy scout and I never even heard about ANY boy being approached by a leader. The priest in one of my elementary schools was a whole different matter, however and the church did cover that one up.
 
2012-09-17 08:50:55 AM
Boy Scouts. Adult men.
Maybe keeping gays out of the scouts is a good thing.
 
2012-09-17 08:58:58 AM
Jeez, people, lay off the Boy Scouts. If not for them, hundreds thousands of non-Catholic boys would never have learned how to give a good blow job.
 
2012-09-17 09:26:34 AM
I think one of my scout leaders later got quietly moved on (mostly due to lack of real evidence), cops were (quietly) involved too.

Mind you the Chaplin of my Officer Training unit appeared in the paper a few years later - found guilty of being a little too close with the boys in his Sunday School (so glad when he ran his class on Ethics, he had said to us to "Put the name you like to be called by on the name plates in front of you." Being snarky and sitting right in front of him, I wrote "GOD". He even was polite enough to call me it :D
 
2012-09-17 09:27:02 AM

President Merkin Muffley: Eagle Scout. Never molested or even approached and didn't know anyone who was.

Teachers fark students all the time. Why no, OMG ALL TEACHERS ARE PEDOS?


You seem to have missed the whole point of the article.
 
2012-09-17 09:32:16 AM
By Kim Christensen and Jason Felch, Los Angeles Times
September 16, 2012

Did I miss it or has NOBODY noticed this yet? I scrolled slowly, didn't see it.

I am disappoint. 
 
2012-09-17 10:06:30 AM

RCon: Jason Felch?

Really?


Faith restored!
 
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