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(The Sun)   Dear Deidre: I'm sleeping with my nephew and keeping it a secret ...is it wrong?   (thesun.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-09-16 11:24:53 PM  
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  2012-09-16 10:49:38 PM  
Pribar: Gdalescrboz: Abe Vigoda's Ghost

Gdalescrboz: Im surprised it's acceptable to smash antoher dudes ass but not to sleep with a nephew. Biologically speaking, there is nothing wrong with incest. Plus, if you think it;s wrong, you're intolerant....or whatever the gay community says

Incest laws exist to prevent mutant inbred offspring.

We need to ban the gay then


I can pretty much guarantee that gay sex has never resulted in offspring, mutant or otherwise 8-)

Rick Santorum doesn't count?


No, it's worse, they are adopting and raising kids to be gay. I seen it
 
2012-09-16 11:26:07 PM  
DEIDRE SAYS

Hubba Hubba!!!!
 
2012-09-16 11:29:27 PM  

gaspode: maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family (as opposed to a sibling of one of the parents), then I have no problem. To me, that isn't really incest.


That isn't incest at all by any sensible or useful definition of the word.


he is the son of her late sister. It's farking nasty.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:17 PM  

gaspode: maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family (as opposed to a sibling of one of the parents), then I have no problem. To me, that isn't really incest.


That isn't incest at all by any sensible or useful definition of the word.


It pretty much is in most states. Cousins, it varies. By marriage? I think it's considered the same as blood if it's an aunt or uncle.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:29 PM  

sure haven't: Oh incest grosses you out? Too f'n bad.


It grosses me out cause I was sexually abused by 2 males in my family, but if they're both of the age of consent good luck to them.
 
2012-09-16 11:34:30 PM  

Knight without armor: [img.photobucket.com image 799x492]

/too obscure?


The Secret of MY Success
 
2012-09-16 11:34:33 PM  
Shut your farking face, uncle farker
You're a cock sucking ass licking uncle farker
You're an uncle farker, yes it's true
Nobody farks uncles quite like you

Shut YOUR farking face, uncle farker
You're the one that farked your uncle, uncle farker
You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn
You just fark your uncle all day long

Shut your farking face, uncle farker
You're a boner biting bastard uncle farker
You're an uncle farker, I must say
You farked your uncle yesterday

Uncle farker, that's U-N-C-L-E fark you uncle farker!
Suck my balls
 
2012-09-16 11:35:21 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: gaspode: maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family (as opposed to a sibling of one of the parents), then I have no problem. To me, that isn't really incest.


That isn't incest at all by any sensible or useful definition of the word.

It pretty much is in most states. Cousins, it varies. By marriage? I think it's considered the same as blood if it's an aunt or uncle.


any law that says a person who marries your uncle becomes a relative and sleeping with them is a crime is neither sensible nor useful.
 
TWX
2012-09-16 11:37:42 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: yourmomlovestetris: Just ask the Hapsburgs how well uncle/niece marriage worked out for them:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 341x475]

Charles the Second of Spain. He was so deformed he could barely speak. Charles II's genome was actually more homozygous than that of an average child whose parents are siblings.

Laying your aunt seems the older life equivalent of taking your fat cousin to the prom. These people seem far too withdrawn and emotionally damaged to seek relationships with more age appropriate people, and once they were thrown together (thanks to them being familially intimate, but not close enough for the Westermarck effect to kick in) they started banging each other. It's a story more sad than outrageous.

I would bet that portrait was more kind to him than how he really looked in real life.


Inbred eight times over? Absofarkinglutely the painter was kind, probably at the point of a sword.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:50 PM  

maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family


The she wouldn't be his aunt.
 
2012-09-16 11:38:57 PM  

kareninsf: Ewwww
/but very hesitantly agree if they are consenting adults and not hurting anyone and don't reproduce

Still ewww


Pretty much this.


Gdalescrboz: Biologically speaking, there is nothing wrong with incest.


Uhhhh... that's not exactly true.


dervish16108: Marrying cousins is OK in some culture. My Iranian grandfather tried to convince me to marry one of my female cousins -- I said no, and then he kept going, "well, how about (name of another female cousin)?"


Isn't it usually only with second cousins or more distant?
First cousins still have a somewhat risky chance of producing kids with, umm... problems.
 
2012-09-16 11:39:47 PM  

doglover: maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family

The she wouldn't be his aunt.


Sure she would.
The woman who marries your mom/dad's brother is your aunt.
 
2012-09-16 11:41:04 PM  

PallMall: I'm married to my first cousin. Didn't know her until I was well into my 20's. Believe it or not, 80% of all historical marriages are between cousins, so you're all inbred.

Deal with it.

// Aunt is a little too close for me, but whatever, dude.


See, that squicks me out a little, but I've known all of my first cousins since before I (or they, depending on age) can remember. They might as well be siblings. There's definitely an historical precedent for first cousin marriage, but there's also some genetic risk, so it's not ideal. But... whatever floats your boat.

On the other hand, my grandma's boyfriend (She's a widow, he a widower, and they're both the same age.) is also her fourth cousin. They've known each other for their entire lives and didn't know that until a year or two ago. It's just a source of amusement. And also, they're in their 80s and not reproducing. Even if they were, fourth cousins is plenty distant.
 
2012-09-16 11:41:29 PM  
If your family tree has no branches, you might me a Tudor, or a Habsburg, or a Windsor, or a Bourbon, or a Ptolemy...


The Aristocrats!
 
2012-09-16 11:41:32 PM  

Gawdzila: dervish16108: Marrying cousins is OK in some culture. My Iranian grandfather tried to convince me to marry one of my female cousins -- I said no, and then he kept going, "well, how about (name of another female cousin)?"

Isn't it usually only with second cousins or more distant?
First cousins still have a somewhat risky chance of producing kids with, umm... problems.


Read Jane Austen some time...
 
2012-09-16 11:41:59 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 11:43:20 PM  
Reminds me of this scene:

Link
 
2012-09-16 11:44:31 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that episode of The X-Files yet?
 
2012-09-16 11:44:41 PM  

gaspode: maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family (as opposed to a sibling of one of the parents), then I have no problem. To me, that isn't really incest.


That isn't incest at all by any sensible or useful definition of the word.


Some incest laws prohibit sex with adopted or step children, even if they're adults.
 
2012-09-16 11:47:38 PM  
Incest laws in the US

Link
 
2012-09-16 11:54:05 PM  

belhade: If it's blood relation, then it's a no-no.


What if you are adopted?
 
2012-09-16 11:55:17 PM  

maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family (as opposed to a sibling of one of the parents), then I have no problem. To me, that isn't really incest.

/DNRTFA
//Had a crush on a cousin by marriage
///He's in the military now, which makes him hotter


Well, if you'd read the article, you would know that the aunt in question is, indeed, the nephew's mother's younger sister. So yes- blood relation.
 
2012-09-17 12:00:14 AM  
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-17 12:07:03 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Gdalescrboz: Im surprised it's acceptable to smash antoher dudes ass but not to sleep with a nephew. Biologically speaking, there is nothing wrong with incest. Plus, if you think it;s wrong, you're intolerant....or whatever the gay community says

Incest laws exist to prevent mutant inbred offspring.


The chances of mutations from inbreeding is quite low. Among first cousins, it's like 2% more. Then again, an aunt is much closer in blood line than a first cousin.
 
2012-09-17 12:09:18 AM  

TyrantII: Actually in a majority of states marriage to a first cousin is perfectly fine in 2012...


A) It's less than half: Cousin Marriage Law by State

B) The actual risk of genetic abnormalities in first-cousin offspring is not significantly different than the risk in the general population, so if that's the goal of the law it should be repealed. Most such laws were enacted long before we had any scientific understanding of things like genetics.
 
2012-09-17 12:10:08 AM  
Whatever. I saw this back in the 70's.

NSFW Link
 
2012-09-17 12:10:31 AM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-17 12:10:42 AM  

Gawdzila: First cousins still have a somewhat risky chance of producing kids with, umm... problems.


First cousins having a child when the woman's 30 run about the same risk of having defective children that an unrelated couple would run by having a child when the woman's 40.

Now, if you're double first cousins, there's a serious elevated risk; don't marry someone who's the niece of both your mother and father by blood.

But an ordinary first cousin as a mother is no more dangerous for your children than a wife who waits to have kids after her career is established. If we're going to denounce the former as sick or gross, we should denounce the latter, too.
 
2012-09-17 12:11:08 AM  
Nope, Link denied.

Just search x hamster for 'oldie but goldie' and you'll see what I mean.
 
2012-09-17 12:12:24 AM  

yourmomlovestetris: Just ask the Hapsburgs how well uncle/niece marriage worked out for them:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 341x475]

Charles the Second of Spain. He was so deformed he could barely speak. Charles II's genome was actually more homozygous than that of an average child whose parents are siblings.

Laying your aunt seems the older life equivalent of taking your fat cousin to the prom. These people seem far too withdrawn and emotionally damaged to seek relationships with more age appropriate people, and once they were thrown together (thanks to them being familially intimate, but not close enough for the Westermarck effect to kick in) they started banging each other. It's a story more sad than outrageous.



Yeah but look at his family tree posted above your comment. It wasn't just one cousin or aunt/uncle marriage, it was a pattern of such marriages over two centuries. If your family tree looks like a spinning top, then you get problems like poor Charlie there. Without this pattern of incest a single instance isn't very likely to make something messed up. Yeah it's weird but I don't think it'll get into flipper baby territory right from the get go.
 
2012-09-17 12:16:04 AM  
mmm motherless.com completely forgot about that website.

I have an aunt that as a kid I had the hots for -- it was more like an aunt-in-law so we totally could have gotten away with it and (besides the age thing) not been weird.

Everyone has a few hot cousins, if you don't then I feel sorry for you for not having anything fun to look at during boring family reunions.
 
2012-09-17 12:23:55 AM  

Silly Jesus: [thebeardedladies.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]


Which one is Neil and which one is Jeb?
 
2012-09-17 12:28:59 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Meh. Both are well over the age of consent. She's 45, unlikely to give birth to a monster. Nothing wrong with this situation.


Agreed. It sounds fully consensual, they're both adults, no pressure was applied. "Yuck!" isn't enough to make it illegal in my eyes.

accelerus: mmm motherless.com completely forgot about that website.

I have an aunt that as a kid I had the hots for -- it was more like an aunt-in-law so we totally could have gotten away with it and (besides the age thing) not been weird.

Everyone has a few hot cousins, if you don't then I feel sorry for you for not having anything fun to look at during boring family reunions.


I believe I have a couple of cousins but I've never met them and I don't know their names. I do have a couple of attractive cousin-in-laws but their personalities are another matter.
 
2012-09-17 12:34:14 AM  
All I'm saying is..if the kingslayer was my bro...I'd be wide with pride-
 
2012-09-17 12:34:29 AM  
My aunts all look like my dad in drag, so no thanks!
 
2012-09-17 12:36:22 AM  
Fake. Deidre got trolled.
 
2012-09-17 12:44:13 AM  

taint futcha: All I'm saying is..if the kingslayer was my bro...I'd be wide with pride-


Would you cheat on the kingslayer with every knight errant?
 
2012-09-17 12:45:24 AM  
No, don't keep it a secret.
Tell us more.
 
2012-09-17 12:47:46 AM  
"The only vigorous activity in which Charles is known to have participated was shooting."

[See previous thread comments, then insert gun access/Second Amendment debate here.]
 
2012-09-17 12:54:12 AM  

Gawdzila: doglover: maram500: Assuming that the aunt is married into the family

The she wouldn't be his aunt.

Sure she would.
The woman who marries your mom/dad's brother is your aunt.


No, she's your aunt in law.

No incest in whole or in part.
 
2012-09-17 12:54:30 AM  

Verzio: First cousins having a child when the woman's 30 run about the same risk of having defective children that an unrelated couple would run by having a child when the woman's 40.


Citation?


Verzio: But an ordinary first cousin as a mother is no more dangerous for your children than a wife who waits to have kids after her career is established. If we're going to denounce the former as sick or gross, we should denounce the latter, too.


I wasn't interested in denouncing anyone. I was simply pointing out that many cultures that allow or encourage cousin-marrying usually stick to second cousins or more distant, and most incest laws include first cousins but not second. Whether your assessment about defect risk is accurate or not, the issue with first cousins that doesn't exist with simple age is the problem of gene "magnification". One of the specific issues with incest is that rare and/or recessive negative traits are more likely to be expressed or doubled-down on. If marrying first cousins is customary and one genetic line repeatedly marries within the family, the risk of negative traits or hereditary deformations becomes exponentially worse, a-la English Royalty. Hence the general taboo against first-cousin marrying.
 
2012-09-17 12:55:18 AM  
I can't imagine any sentence formed in my mind that includes boinking my dead mother's sister.

I am not sure which one of them is more messed up?

I have a 20 year old niece. She is an attractive young lady, but there is nothing in my brain that connects any circumstance where I would have any interest in her physically.That is just mentally weird. Yeah, I understand that this stuff happens, but I don't get "feelings" for an girl 20 years younger than me. I feel "paternal" towards younger people. I suppose super models might be an exception, and Miss Granger.
 
2012-09-17 01:01:53 AM  

doglover: No, she's your aunt in law.

No incest in whole or in part.


Biologically, you are correct. Legally, that varies...in the United States it's generally incest.
 
2012-09-17 01:02:22 AM  
Dearest harry,

Errant knights in general, no , but I'd service the hound (no knight to be sure) and diddle the dwarf and throw down on old bronn with a will. Add in the greatjon and winter WILL be coming-
 
2012-09-17 01:05:29 AM  
www4.pictures.zimbio.com

If you look anything like this 45 year old you have my blessing but you are truly a monster for ruining all the other women in the world for your poor lucky bastard nephew.
 
2012-09-17 01:06:52 AM  
My only question:
Is this a fake letter that nobody wrote, or a fake letter that a troll wrote?
 
2012-09-17 01:07:08 AM  
www.demotivationalposters.org
 
2012-09-17 01:10:27 AM  

OscarTamerz: [www4.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x440]

If you look anything like this 45 year old you have my blessing but you are truly a monster for ruining all the other women in the world for your poor lucky bastard nephew.


I'll be in my bunk.....
 
2012-09-17 01:12:33 AM  

PallMall: I'm married to my first cousin. Didn't know her until I was well into my 20's. Believe it or not, 80% of all historical marriages are between cousins, so you're all inbred.

Deal with it.

// Aunt is a little too close for me, but whatever, dude.


Gross. It doesn't matter that you didn't know each other...you are aware of your relation. You are disgusting, and I hope your babies die in the womb.
 
2012-09-17 01:13:34 AM  

A Terrible Human: sure haven't: Oh incest grosses you out? Too f'n bad.

It grosses me out cause I was sexually abused by 2 males in my family, but if they're both of the age of consent good luck to them.


Ever seen those horrifying stories where some monster locks a child in a cage, for long periods?

In effect, that kind of abuse puts you in a cage. You spend years, decades, maybe the rest of your life, getting out. A tiny fraction of an inch at a time.

But you can make it out of that cage. Even when it seems impossible, just another thousandth of an inch. As hard as it is. Keep at it.

Even partway out of the cage is better.
 
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