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(Vanity Fair)   Reporter spends 6 months embedded with Barack Obama: "All the people who had been demanding intervention [in Libya] went nuts after we intervened and said it was outrageous. That's because the controversy machine is bigger than the reality machine"   (vanityfair.com) divider line 182
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2012-09-16 08:50:19 PM

PonceAlyosha: Notabunny: We disagree, but in this discussion the terms "everybody" and "nobody" apply to folks who follow politics

Goal post MOOOOOVED.


Only the Sith deal in absolutes. It's not reasonable to say the casual use of the term "everybody" and "nobody" applies to every person in the country. There aren't many things that can be said to apply to literally "everybody" in the country. My point stands.
 
2012-09-16 08:52:34 PM

Dwight_Yeast: make me some tea: I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc)

Are You High?

And drone strikes go right along with the foreign policy he outlined in the debates and speeches before the 2008 election: he said he'd go into other countries to get bin Ladan other members of al Qaeda, but do it in the least invasive war possible, and we're still technically in a war in (but not with) Afghanistan.

Was I the only one who actually paid attention to what Obama said in 2008?


When the President received the Nobel Peace prize he also gave Europe a heads up. I'll use my words "Thanks for this, but the terrorists brought this to our front door. I'm going to give it back"

"But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism - it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason."
 
2012-09-16 08:53:48 PM

Gulper Eel: Interesting piece.

Interesting in that the piece does not mention that in exchange for access, Lewis gave the White House approval rights over any quotes used in TFA.

Kudos to the New York Times for actually calling bullshiat.

Now that it's become clear that many journalists covering politics and government agree to quotation-approval as a condition of access, it's tough not to see the pageant of democracy as just that: a carefully constructed performance meant to showcase the participants in the best light.

At the very least the quote-approval needs to be disclosed. In this article, it wasn't.

But that's okay because it makes your guy look good.

Even the reliably left-wing Glenn Greenwald is calling it a puff piece, and then goes about thorougly ripping to shreds all the excuses given for quote approval.

Then he wraps with this, and I'll boldface it so you can read it through koolaid-colored glasses:

No readers are being "informed" by the publication of a profile in which the subject of the profile has the power to decide what does and does not get printed. They're being propagandized.


To be fair, just about all Greenwald does is biatch about Obama.
 
2012-09-16 09:02:33 PM
Who cares if it's a puff piece? It's an interesting read. It's nice to see what the guy does all day.
 
2012-09-16 09:05:39 PM

make me some tea: Dwight_Yeast: make me some tea: I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc)

Are You High?

And drone strikes go right along with the foreign policy he outlined in the debates and speeches before the 2008 election: he said he'd go into other countries to get bin Ladan other members of al Qaeda, but do it in the least invasive war possible, and we're still technically in a war in (but not with) Afghanistan.

Was I the only one who actually paid attention to what Obama said in 2008?

I realize that, but the drone strikes in particular are a controversial area, especially among liberals, and while I generally agree that it's the best strategy we've got going, I worry how much of a cause célèbre this is for extremist group recruitment overseas, just as I worried with the strategies used under the Bush admin.

I don't really have any answers, just questions I guess.


Is the drone strike a concern for the idea that maybe its a quick go-to answer and the idea that the chances of killing innocent people increases? Granted, it seems like a better alternative to feet on the ground approaches, but like with almost everything, there is no light switch answer so there is definitely a negative here with drones.

And I think why people are pissed at obama for Guantanomois because he didn't stand with a big stick and aggressively make his case to close it,even if the whole thing was a foregone conclusion.
 
2012-09-16 09:11:44 PM

NeverDrunk23: make me some tea: Dwight_Yeast: make me some tea: I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc)

Are You High?

And drone strikes go right along with the foreign policy he outlined in the debates and speeches before the 2008 election: he said he'd go into other countries to get bin Ladan other members of al Qaeda, but do it in the least invasive war possible, and we're still technically in a war in (but not with) Afghanistan.

Was I the only one who actually paid attention to what Obama said in 2008?

I realize that, but the drone strikes in particular are a controversial area, especially among liberals, and while I generally agree that it's the best strategy we've got going, I worry how much of a cause célèbre this is for extremist group recruitment overseas, just as I worried with the strategies used under the Bush admin.

I don't really have any answers, just questions I guess.

Is the drone strike a concern for the idea that maybe its a quick go-to answer and the idea that the chances of killing innocent people increases? Granted, it seems like a better alternative to feet on the ground approaches, but like with almost everything, there is no light switch answer so there is definitely a negative here with drones.

And I think why people are pissed at obama for Guantanomois because he didn't stand with a big stick and aggressively make his case to close it,even if the whole thing was a foregone conclusion.


Agreed, and agreed.
 
2012-09-16 09:12:09 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Who cares if it's a puff piece? It's an interesting read. It's nice to see what the guy does all day.


This.

I've read similar puff pieces on President's whom I opposed, and found them interesting not for what was said, but what was told -- the small, mundane details of day-to-day life as POTUS.
 
2012-09-16 09:12:19 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Who cares if it's a puff piece? It's an interesting read. It's nice to see what the guy does all day.


Definitely.
 
2012-09-16 09:13:58 PM

thismomentinblackhistory: Contents Under Pressure: Who cares if it's a puff piece? It's an interesting read. It's nice to see what the guy does all day.

This.

I've read similar puff pieces on President's whom I opposed, and found them interesting not for what was said, but what was told -- the small, mundane details of day-to-day life as POTUS.


Nothing about being POTUS is mundane. That's the interesting part. The portion about the bullethole right where his head would normally be when he's on the Truman balcony is jarring to say the least, whether I agree with the guy in office or not. I mean, holy shiat.
 
2012-09-16 09:15:15 PM

St_Francis_P: Gyrfalcon: themindiswatching: SouthParkCon: slobbers on his Messiah's knob

You sound closeted.

What is it with hard-right trolls and their fascination with fellating the Commander in Chief?

You have to understand that when they use the term, it means manly, non-homosexual fellating.


I think I understand.
 
2012-09-16 09:31:08 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: "He prefers the F.B.I.'s because it is a bit smaller than a regulation court, which reduces also the advantages of youth"

what a surprise.


Jeebus, you suck at this.

You should have gone with this selective quote:

"It'd be fun to have a taping system."

OMG HE'S TOTALLY NIXON.
 
2012-09-16 09:32:30 PM

armoredbulldozer: make me some tea: gopher321: Benevolent Misanthrope: Welcome to the "no shiat" files. Jesus - it's like people have no idea how politics works.

This is why I'm seriously considering moving to Canada. They may have the same lack of leaders the US does, but at least their leaders' little picayune arguments don't affect the entire farking world.

I work with an ex-pat Yank. Helluva nice guy, real smart, cute wife. Bit of a conspiracy freak. Though I have to admit some of the things he's told me about what your government is up to/what might be up to scare the shiat out of me.

After reading this entire piece, much like after reading "What Happened" about the Bush admin, I found that the man and how he operates are somewhat different than he's largely portrayed, even by sympathetic press.

I found the decision making process Obama employs particularly interesting, and reassuring. It'd be neat to see how that compares to other Administrations.

Obama does not compare to any administration in any way. He is the worst president and worst American in American history. (A title formerly held by Jiminy Carter.) The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers also violated the War Powers Act with his actions regarding Libya.


"Bill Ayers"

DRINK!

www.fortlauderdaleclubscenes.com

\talking points that didn't work in 2008 Drinking Game
 
2012-09-16 09:36:29 PM
Good read, thanks subby for the find.
 
2012-09-16 09:41:33 PM
Per Nate Silver, the generic battle polls are shifting.

si0.twimg.comNate Silver@fivethirtyeight

Four generic ballot polls released this week: Dems +2 (Rasmussen), Dems +4 (YouGov), Dems +6 (Ipsos), Dems +6 (PPP)
12 Sep 12
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2012-09-16 09:54:44 PM

buster_v: \talking points that didn't work in 2008 Drinking Game


Will those talking points be part of the presidential debate drinking game? And if so, has anyone yet assembled a complete list of them?

I have a pint bottle of Lagunitas "Wilco Tango Foxtrot" that I'm thinking I'll break out for at least the first debate.
 
2012-09-16 10:07:54 PM

Gulper Eel: Interesting in that the piece does not mention that in exchange for access, Lewis gave the White House approval rights over any quotes used in TFA.


...That's incredibly common practice for an embedded reporter. Seriously, the dude had close access for six months, there's a good chance at some point he's gonna overhear something damaging to national security or something. The WH would be crazy to give a journalist that level of access and NOT put any kind of conditions on it - as far as it goes, approval rights over any quotes used is a pretty minor condition.

You'd have to be farking crazy to use that as a reason to dismiss the entire article as "propaganda".

/yes, I'm calling Greenwald farking crazy.
//because he is.
 
2012-09-16 10:19:32 PM

sparkeyjames: When this article goes wide spread, which it will, I look forward to mountain of stupid knee jerk
republican reactions.


1. "If he's so open to competition, then what happened to Rey?"

2. *Basketball related dog whistle*

3. Churchill bust!

4. He uses the royal we and refuses to watch cable news. OMG Boy King!
 
2012-09-16 10:22:35 PM

Dwight_Yeast: make me some tea: I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc)

Are You High?

And drone strikes go right along with the foreign policy he outlined in the debates and speeches before the 2008 election: he said he'd go into other countries to get bin Ladan other members of al Qaeda, but do it in the least invasive war possible, and we're still technically in a war in (but not with) Afghanistan.

Was I the only one who actually paid attention to what Obama said in 2008?


No.

But then we're probably the only ones who realize that often a president can't deliver on those McDonald's cheeseburgers, too.
 
2012-09-16 10:22:40 PM

simplicimus: snowshovel: This piece did an amazing job at showing Obama's love for the US and how seriously he would be at the job if he could legally be elected president.

Ok, that's a little better than TPoC.


I liked it.. I give 6/10
 
2012-09-16 10:23:02 PM

Gunther: /yes, I'm calling Greenwald farking crazy.
//because he is.


Glenn Greenwald is invaluable for pointing out civil liberties violations. It's a shame that he only has one gear and that gear is breathless hyperbole.
 
2012-09-16 10:29:06 PM

Hobodeluxe: Per Nate Silver, the generic battle polls are shifting.

[si0.twimg.com image 48x48]Nate Silver@fivethirtyeight

Four generic ballot polls released this week: Dems +2 (Rasmussen), Dems +4 (YouGov), Dems +6 (Ipsos), Dems +6 (PPP)
12 Sep 12
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Another interesting thing about Silver's projections. At no point has Romney ever been projected to reach 270 EV. There has never been any point at which Obama was projected to get less than 286. And Romney has always trailed in the popular vote, never approaching 50%, while Obama has never dipped below 50.
 
2012-09-16 10:39:42 PM

propasaurus: Another interesting thing about Silver's projections. At no point has Romney ever been projected to reach 270 EV. There has never been any point at which Obama was projected to get less than 286. And Romney has always trailed in the popular vote, never approaching 50%, while Obama has never dipped below 50.


Which annoys me, as it either means he gets elected by a slim margin of the popular vote and the GOP claims the election was "stolen" or he loses by an equally slim margin (somehow).

Either way it's a repeat of 2000 or 2004.
 
2012-09-16 10:47:09 PM

propasaurus: Hobodeluxe: Per Nate Silver, the generic battle polls are shifting.

[si0.twimg.com image 48x48]Nate Silver@fivethirtyeight

Four generic ballot polls released this week: Dems +2 (Rasmussen), Dems +4 (YouGov), Dems +6 (Ipsos), Dems +6 (PPP)
12 Sep 12
ReplyRetweetFavorite

Another interesting thing about Silver's projections. At no point has Romney ever been projected to reach 270 EV. There has never been any point at which Obama was projected to get less than 286. And Romney has always trailed in the popular vote, never approaching 50%, while Obama has never dipped below 50.


the lead is around 10-12 % if everyone registered would vote. it goes down quite bit when it's likely voters. 4 points or so. and if they can keep enough people away from the polls. they will make it a horse race.
 
2012-09-16 11:08:55 PM
This wasn't bad. day in the life sort of thing, there was an equally interesting one done for GW and Clinton and that's as old as I am. this is par for the course. plenty of access, nothing really mindblowing despite the fact this dude spent 6 mo in the White House. a simon-pure valentine., ought to be in textbooks.

But I think we can all be grateful for one thing, and that's that Matt Taibbi wasn't involved. I shudder to think what this bowl of mush would have been like if he had the byline.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:46 PM
Can anyone envision Romney stating the following, when asked what a president does? FTA:

"I would say that your first and principal task is to think about the hopes and dreams the American people invested in you. Everything you are doing has to be viewed through this prism. And I tell you what every president ... I actually think every president understands this responsibility. I don't know George Bush well. I know Bill Clinton better. But I think they both approached the job in that spirit."

I like having a guy on the job that says that about his understanding of the job, and about his predecessors from the "other team".

Sure, it's a cherry-picked, approved quote - but I have no doubt that Obama said it. And that Romney would say... well, fark, I don't know what Romney thinks the job is.
 
2012-09-16 11:17:59 PM

Bocasio: Michael Lewis is a great writer.
M Lewis referenced there is an area on Air Force One for the Presidents Coffin.

President Obama (all Presidents) coffin is near the surgical area on the plane.
The President travels with his coffin.

Should be a great book


"Memento mori, Mr. President."
 
2012-09-16 11:27:04 PM

Bocasio: Michael Lewis is a great writer.


The last time he was on the Daily Show, Stewart pointed out that something like three of his books had been made into movies and asked who was going to star in the next one. Lewis didn't mention he was writing on Obama and laughed it off, but I could see this being optioned.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:34 PM

BSABSVR: Gunther: /yes, I'm calling Greenwald farking crazy.
//because he is.

Glenn Greenwald is invaluable for pointing out civil liberties violations. It's a shame that he only has one gear and that gear is breathless hyperbole.


^ dat

I have so much respect for Greenwald WRT his analyses of constitutional issues, and - obviously - his steadfast defense of our civil liberties.... but sometimes... man... he'll occasionally boil down his arguments ~beyond~ distillation.

But I'd much rather he be investigating, noisy and pressing instead of being a pushover... the exaggerating is, perhaps, the price of having Glenn Greenwald on duty?

Tangentially: This was an interesting article from Foreign Policy, addressing Glenn's Salon-departure sendoff.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:38 PM

Bocasio: Michael Lewis is a great writer.
M Lewis referenced there is an area on Air Force One for the Presidents Coffin.

President Obama (all Presidents) coffin is near the surgical area on the plane.
The President travels with his coffin.

Should be a great book


Do they really travel with their own coffin? That's creepy and philosophical at the same time.
 
2012-09-16 11:38:41 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Empty Matchbook: Successful troll remains (relatively) successful.

Until he's on everyone's ignore list or we all stop responding to him, he'll still be successful.

He is something of the last troll standing around here. All the other greats are gone.


Truly it is...truly...but that's BECAUSE people still respond...I myself HAVE it on Ignore, but somehow it only gets 4/5 replies...also a ton of people are, for whatever reason, responding.
 
2012-09-16 11:42:32 PM

armoredbulldozer: make me some tea: gopher321: Benevolent Misanthrope: Welcome to the "no shiat" files. Jesus - it's like people have no idea how politics works.

This is why I'm seriously considering moving to Canada. They may have the same lack of leaders the US does, but at least their leaders' little picayune arguments don't affect the entire farking world.

I work with an ex-pat Yank. Helluva nice guy, real smart, cute wife. Bit of a conspiracy freak. Though I have to admit some of the things he's told me about what your government is up to/what might be up to scare the shiat out of me.

After reading this entire piece, much like after reading "What Happened" about the Bush admin, I found that the man and how he operates are somewhat different than he's largely portrayed, even by sympathetic press.

I found the decision making process Obama employs particularly interesting, and reassuring. It'd be neat to see how that compares to other Administrations.

Obama does not compare to any administration in any way. He is the worst president and worst American in American history. (A title formerly held by Jiminy Carter.) The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers also violated the War Powers Act with his actions regarding Libya.


So now Obama is worse than secessionists and other traitors, slave owners, serial killers, rapists and gang leaders?

Nice hyperbole there, self-admitted American Dipshiat.
 
2012-09-16 11:50:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: SouthParkCon: Your tears will be so sweet come November...

Why is that?


I think he means tears of joy?
 
2012-09-16 11:57:34 PM
I thought it was a very good read.
 
2012-09-17 12:30:11 AM

Savage Belief: Mrtraveler01: SouthParkCon: Your tears will be so sweet come November...

Why is that?

I think he means tears of joy?


Maybe he's expecting us to all play VVVVVV in November?

yctag.com
 
2012-09-17 12:38:05 AM

BSABSVR: Gunther: /yes, I'm calling Greenwald farking crazy.
//because he is.

Glenn Greenwald is invaluable for pointing out civil liberties violations. It's a shame that he only has one gear and that gear is breathless hyperbole.


Is it hyperbole or is he just fighting a battle we've all conceded we've lost?
 
2012-09-17 12:50:54 AM
A well written piece, with an interesting insight into the day to day of the POTUS. I think most people have a difficult time imagining what it would be like to have the President's job and television and movies don't do a lot to help them understand.

On just about every job description I've ever read there is the same old "Able to work on multiple projects with rapidly changing priorities" but very few jobs ever come close to what the POTUS does every day. It was interesting to see how he manages his emotional and physical health.

It's obvious that the job demands incredible agility of mind and strong character. The line from the first lady's speech at the DNC comes to mind, "I have seen firsthand that being president doesn't change who you are - it reveals who you are."

If this is propaganda, as some people have suggested, it is done with a very light touch. It is more informative about the requirements of the job and the sort of demands it places on the individual in that position.
 
2012-09-17 12:56:48 AM
Newsflash: Obama's a good man who has the best interests of our country at heart. And the intelligence to make the right decisions.
We're lucky to have him as President.
 
2012-09-17 01:18:23 AM

make me some tea: Contents Under Pressure: Who cares if it's a puff piece? It's an interesting read. It's nice to see what the guy does all day.

Definitely.


Yuppo. Found this bit interesting...

Then he swapped out the antique coffee table for a contemporary one, and the bust of Winston Churchill lent to Bush by Tony Blair for one of Martin Luther King Jr.

Bit of a "now you know the rest of the story" moment for me.
 
2012-09-17 01:24:23 AM

Dwight_Yeast: propasaurus: Another interesting thing about Silver's projections. At no point has Romney ever been projected to reach 270 EV. There has never been any point at which Obama was projected to get less than 286. And Romney has always trailed in the popular vote, never approaching 50%, while Obama has never dipped below 50.

Which annoys me, as it either means he gets elected by a slim margin of the popular vote and the GOP claims the election was "stolen" or he loses by an equally slim margin (somehow).

Either way it's a repeat of 2000 or 2004.


I find it interesting that the Florida recount of 2000, which resulted in the Supreme Court telling us who got to be President, initially came about from a misunderstanding of culture and an overreliance on statistics: The woman who initially kicked the whole mess off based her theory on the fact that heavily Democratic districts in Florida nevertheless went about 95% for Bush in the election. This can't be right! shouted a person who obviously never heard of a Dixiecrat. There must have been voter fraud!! Of course, the Gore camp ran with it, and well, we got Bush instead. But it was all based on the preconceived notion that Democrats vote for Democratic Presidents, therefore the count had to be wrong, therefore Bush "stole" the election or whatever.

Now, how would that play out this November? The GOP has spent the last month developing a scenario whereby NOBODY could POSSIBLY want to re-elect Obama. Therefore, when the votes are counted and Obama wins--That can't be right! shout people who have created a reality where Obama = Hitler and Stalin's bastard clone. There must have been voter fraud!!! Whether Obama wins by a landslide or by a razor-thin margin, the GOP has invested in a worldview that says "Obama must lose." We'll see if they try it post election.
 
2012-09-17 01:32:47 AM

Proteios1: Well duh! Just look at that pretend war on women. No one understood that. Least of all women. But controversy sells.


Huh, all the women I know understand it; that's why they are voting for Obama.
 
2012-09-17 01:45:03 AM

Gyrfalcon: Now, how would that play out this November? The GOP has spent the last month developing a scenario whereby NOBODY could POSSIBLY want to re-elect Obama. Therefore, when the votes are counted and Obama wins--That can't be right! shout people who have created a reality where Obama = Hitler and Stalin's bastard clone. There must have been voter fraud!!! Whether Obama wins by a landslide or by a razor-thin margin, the GOP has invested in a worldview that says "Obama must lose." We'll see if they try it post election.


More interesting to me is if he wins, and the GOP announces that that's not possible, as they rigged the election fair and square with the voter ID laws, which haven't all been struck down at this point (PA's still stands and a couple other key states, I believe), and that there HAD to be voter fraud for certain districts to have gone to Obama.
 
2012-09-17 02:14:16 AM
That's because the controversy machine is bigger than the reality machine

That headline actually got posted in the FPT. Where do you think most of the headlines here come from? Besides, lib blogs.


This piece did an amazing job at showing Obama's love for the US and how seriously he takes his role as President.


What else would you expect from Vanity Fair? Tell us about the genius journalism of MSNBC now.
 
2012-09-17 02:17:59 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Welcome to the "no shiat" files. Jesus - it's like people have no idea how politics works.

This is why I'm seriously considering moving to Canada. They may have the same lack of leaders the US does, but at least their leaders' little picayune arguments don't affect the entire farking world.


Not quite that way. We look at the "issues" the US think are issues and well, we think "fark we took care of those years ago, big farking deal. Move on.".

We also hold the separation between church and state sacred, although we keep it quiet.
 
2012-09-17 02:18:13 AM
The GOP has spent the last month developing a scenario whereby NOBODY could POSSIBLY want to re-elect Obama

It's almost like they are trying to win an election, ain't it?

I mean, they do what they can why Obama accuses Romney of murder, tax fraud and whatever else the Chicago machine comes up with. But, it's all right when Obama does it, isn't it?
 
2012-09-17 02:30:15 AM

PonceAlyosha: BSABSVR: Gunther: /yes, I'm calling Greenwald farking crazy.
//because he is.

Glenn Greenwald is invaluable for pointing out civil liberties violations. It's a shame that he only has one gear and that gear is breathless hyperbole.

Is it hyperbole or is he just fighting a battle we've all conceded we've lost?


Yay, defeatism!

/i'm guilty of it myself, and often
//so i'll cut you plenty of slack.. plenty..
 
2012-09-17 02:47:33 AM

barneyfifesbullet: The GOP has spent the last month developing a scenario whereby NOBODY could POSSIBLY want to re-elect Obama

It's almost like they are trying to win an election, ain't it?

I mean, they do what they can why Obama accuses Romney of murder, tax fraud and whatever else the Chicago machine comes up with. But, it's all right when Obama does it, isn't it?


It's not like someone died because Romney got them fired, thus screwing 'em out of health insurance when they had cancer, right?

And Romney STILL hasn't disproven the claims of tax fraud, and he continues to hide them. His father, and Mitt himself, have both claimed that someone who hides their tax returns is probably hiding something nasty...so why is Mitt hiding them?
 
2012-09-17 02:56:51 AM
Good, interesting read. Thank you, subby.
 
2012-09-17 03:13:26 AM

PonceAlyosha: BSABSVR: Gunther: /yes, I'm calling Greenwald farking crazy.
//because he is.

Glenn Greenwald is invaluable for pointing out civil liberties violations. It's a shame that he only has one gear and that gear is breathless hyperbole.

Is it hyperbole or is he just fighting a battle we've all conceded we've lost?


I think it's a battle that we are losing at the moment. It's great that Greenwald is one of the few voices pointing this out. It's bad that the only way Greenwald can do it is to ascribe sinister motivations to everyone who doesn't agree with him about everything.
 
2012-09-17 03:17:57 AM

Gunther: That's incredibly common practice for an embedded reporter.


All the cool kids are doing it. Which makes it perfectly okay.

Long as we are all clear that Michael Lewis is a stenographer and not a journalist.

If it turns out that reporters covering the campaigns actually have to do investigative work from here on in, I guess we should be thankful Lewis was so obvious about being a chump.
 
2012-09-17 03:33:47 AM
You would think that with the 100's of millions of dollars rich Republicans are throwing into this race, they could buy better trolls. I guess the Fark Politics tab gets the "he's my retarded cousin and I need to give him something to do during the day" trolls, and they save the A-list for other sites.
 
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