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(Vanity Fair)   Reporter spends 6 months embedded with Barack Obama: "All the people who had been demanding intervention [in Libya] went nuts after we intervened and said it was outrageous. That's because the controversy machine is bigger than the reality machine"   (vanityfair.com) divider line 182
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2012-09-16 06:42:36 PM

Bocasio: Michael Lewis is a great writer.
M Lewis referenced there is an area on Air Force One for the Presidents Coffin.

President Obama (all Presidents) coffin is near the surgical area on the plane.
The President travels with his coffin.

Should be a great book


Wasn't that part of the original JFK conspiracy, why they had kept a coffin on board?

I wonder...dies he pick out his own coffin? Imagine...."congratulations on being elected, here is your wind breaker, coffee mug, and presidential basketball shoes, now if you'll just step over here for the coffin fitting......"
 
2012-09-16 06:44:12 PM

I_Hate_Iowa: First impressions while reading: The guys Obama plays basketball with don't treat him differently just because he's the President. I imagine guys playing cribbage with Romney losing on purpose.


Someone here mentioned at story (don't know if its true or not) that Romney frequently changed the rules mid-game on various board games on family game night.

/he doesn't like to lose
//and he's not about to let rules stop him winning
 
2012-09-16 06:46:50 PM

propasaurus: How disheartened would you be if your job was to troll for Mitt Romney?


Are we sure those are actual humans trolling? Maybe they're using some sort of troll mad libs program.

/we should run Turing tests on them.
 
2012-09-16 06:48:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: I_Hate_Iowa: First impressions while reading: The guys Obama plays basketball with don't treat him differently just because he's the President. I imagine guys playing cribbage with Romney losing on purpose.

Someone here mentioned at story (don't know if its true or not) that Romney frequently changed the rules mid-game on various board games on family game night.

/he doesn't like to lose
//and he's not about to let rules stop him winning


Google fails me here.
 
2012-09-16 06:50:41 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wasn't that part of the original JFK conspiracy, why they had kept a coffin on board?


No. JFK's coffin was bought in Dallas. That's why they now carry one; they were caught flat-footed at a moment they should have been prepared.

Having looked on the intrawebz, the coffin he was shipped to DC wasn't nice enough for his funeral, so he was put into another one after embalming. The first casket was dumped into the ocean in 1965.
 
2012-09-16 06:52:49 PM

elchip: Google fails me here.


He cheats at Connect Four. CONNECT FOUR!

I think Dwight dun got Onion'd.
 
2012-09-16 06:54:53 PM
On the other hand, it would explain what really happened to Bapp...
 
2012-09-16 06:56:13 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: He cheats at Connect Four. CONNECT FOUR!

I think Dwight dun got Onion'd.


Wouldn't surprise me. I hadn't seen the original story myself, which is why I added the caveat that I didn't know if it was true.
 
2012-09-16 06:56:40 PM

elchip: Dwight_Yeast: I_Hate_Iowa: First impressions while reading: The guys Obama plays basketball with don't treat him differently just because he's the President. I imagine guys playing cribbage with Romney losing on purpose.

Someone here mentioned at story (don't know if its true or not) that Romney frequently changed the rules mid-game on various board games on family game night.

/he doesn't like to lose
//and he's not about to let rules stop him winning

Google fails me here.


Sounds urban-legend-y.
 
2012-09-16 07:01:01 PM
"No one held back, no one deferred. Guys on [Obama's] team dribbled past him and ignored the fact he was wide open. . . .

"'No one seems to be taking it easy on [Obama],' I said.

'If you take it easy on him, you're not invited back,' he explained.


Somehow I can't imagine Romney taking a similar tack.

I can imagine Romney not inviting someone back for not letting him win though.

Maybe even a good firing. Mitt likes to fire people.
 
2012-09-16 07:01:24 PM
Oh well, I thought, at least I can guard the president. Obama played in high school, on a team that won the Hawaii state championship. But he hadn't played in college, and even in high school he hadn't started. Plus, he hadn't played in several months, and he was days away from his 51st birthday: how good could he be?

This is how I know, without reading further, that he's about to get his ass beat by the President.
 
2012-09-16 07:01:34 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: He cheats at Connect Four. CONNECT FOUR!

I think Dwight dun got Onion'd.

Wouldn't surprise me. I hadn't seen the original story myself, which is why I added the caveat that I didn't know if it was true.


Mitt Romney cheats at his own family Olympics
 
2012-09-16 07:03:34 PM

Dwight_Yeast: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Wasn't that part of the original JFK conspiracy, why they had kept a coffin on board?

No. JFK's coffin was bought in Dallas. That's why they now carry one; they were caught flat-footed at a moment they should have been prepared.

Having looked on the intrawebz, the coffin he was shipped to DC wasn't nice enough for his funeral, so he was put into another one after embalming. The first casket was dumped into the ocean in 1965.


Yeah, I just read all that. Weird. I can remember clear as a bell being told by a conspiracy theorist that they knew it was a set up because he went in the plane in a body bag and came off in a coffin. Must have been a predecessor to the modern tea .
 
2012-09-16 07:12:56 PM

fusillade762: Wow, it's like the trolls aren't even trying anymore have trouble trolling, modding, and watching week 2 of the NFL to do a good job of any!.

 
2012-09-16 07:17:06 PM
"No one held back, no one deferred. Guys on [Obama's] team dribbled past him and ignored the fact he was wide open. . . .

"'No one seems to be taking it easy on [Obama],' I said.

'If you take it easy on him, you're not invited back,' he explained.


Good policy, but I wonder what they mean by "take it easy"? Play to win, okay. But do I get to hack at him to prevent an easy layup? Throw some elbows in the post? Maybe hip check him out of the way when going up for a rebound?

The balls it would take to not only swat a shot from the President all the way across the court but to stare him down for a beat afterwards.
 
2012-09-16 07:17:44 PM
Great article...shows the true character of our president. It's nice to have an adult in charge.
 
2012-09-16 07:19:19 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Yeah, I just read all that. Weird. I can remember clear as a bell being told by a conspiracy theorist that they knew it was a set up because he went in the plane in a body bag and came off in a coffin. Must have been a predecessor to the modern tea .


What's interesting, reading the long story from the this blog is that you get a sense of how disorganized events and people were, that the conspiracy theories started swirling not because people knew what they were doing but because they hadn't a clue.

JFK's body should have stay in Dallas, been examined by the coroner there, embalmed and then return to DC. Instead, because everyone had the mindset of getting "home" they made a complete mess of everything.

...which is why there's now a coffin on Air Force One, and a notebook somewhere which handles every possible detail in handling an assassinated president's body.
 
2012-09-16 07:36:11 PM
make me some tea: A few, but have you been in a mainpage politics thread lately? I don't even know where these people come from. They quickly fill with hundreds of people derping the thing into the ground, as if someone blew a dog whistle and they all start barking.

That's because the people who actually follow politics spend most of our time here. When someone tries to bring the derp, everyone pile-drives them into the ground. Not saying this place doesn't get trolled, but it must be much harder when your audience is well educated and you get so little traction.
 
2012-09-16 07:36:36 PM

propasaurus: Mitt Romney cheats at his own family Olympics


Wozza?

*click*

Wow, just wow. Portrait of a patriarchal control freak or what?

The family vacation is not optional and all the adults are expected to participate in a mini-triathlon of running, swimming and biking. Previously, Mitt was embarassed by nearly losing to a daughter-in-law who had just given birth two months before. So he has added 'sports' which he excels at, to stack the deck in his favor. Against his family.

"We added some things I excel at so I don't come in last every year," Mr Romney said.


The sports he added were upper body strength-o-centric.

It seems that it's not that Mitt hates losing so much (although he does) it's that he really hates losing to a girl.

And here I was thinking my opinion of the guy couldn't get any lower.
 
2012-09-16 07:40:35 PM

simplicimus: tenpoundsofcheese: fta: "He prefers the F.B.I.'s because it is a bit smaller than a regulation court, which reduces also the advantages of youth"

what a surprise.

Really, Basketball ? That's the best you come up?


You go to war with the derp you have, not the derp you wish you had.
 
2012-09-16 07:43:26 PM
I'll say. The reality machine I live in is the one where qualified people undergo credit and background checks and have to write code in order to get temp jobs.
 
2012-09-16 07:46:43 PM

Interesting piece.

Interesting in that the piece does not mention that in exchange for access, Lewis gave the White House approval rights over any quotes used in TFA.

Kudos to the New York Times for actually calling bullshiat.

Now that it's become clear that many journalists covering politics and government agree to quotation-approval as a condition of access, it's tough not to see the pageant of democracy as just that: a carefully constructed performance meant to showcase the participants in the best light.


At the very least the quote-approval needs to be disclosed. In this article, it wasn't.

But that's okay because it makes your guy look good.

Even the reliably left-wing Glenn Greenwald is calling it a puff piece, and then goes about thorougly ripping to shreds all the excuses given for quote approval.

Then he wraps with this, and I'll boldface it so you can read it through koolaid-colored glasses:

No readers are being "informed" by the publication of a profile in which the subject of the profile has the power to decide what does and does not get printed. They're being propagandized.
 
2012-09-16 07:53:20 PM

Gulper Eel:
No readers are being "informed" by the publication of a profile in which the subject of the profile has the power to decide what does and does not get printed. They're being propagandized.


But I bet you fapped to Bush's memoir. Or did Bush not have 'quote approval' rights in that piece.

/I only like reading puff pieces on my version of patriots
 
2012-09-16 07:59:21 PM
www.sanfranciscosentinel.com 

The point guard laughed, turned to another guy on the bench, and said, "Remember Rey?"

"Who's Rey?" I asked.

"Rey pump-faked, turned, and just connected with the president right in the mouth," the other guy said. "Gave him 16 stitches."

"Where's Rey?" I asked.

"Rey hasn't been back."
 
2012-09-16 08:03:20 PM
When this article goes wide spread, which it will, I look forward to mountain of stupid knee jerk
republican reactions.
 
2012-09-16 08:03:37 PM

Gulper Eel: Interesting piece.

Interesting in that the piece does not mention that in exchange for access, Lewis gave the White House approval rights over any quotes used in TFA.

Kudos to the New York Times for actually calling bullshiat.

Now that it's become clear that many journalists covering politics and government agree to quotation-approval as a condition of access, it's tough not to see the pageant of democracy as just that: a carefully constructed performance meant to showcase the participants in the best light.

At the very least the quote-approval needs to be disclosed. In this article, it wasn't.

But that's okay because it makes your guy look good.

Even the reliably left-wing Glenn Greenwald is calling it a puff piece, and then goes about thorougly ripping to shreds all the excuses given for quote approval.

Then he wraps with this, and I'll boldface it so you can read it through koolaid-colored glasses:

No readers are being "informed" by the publication of a profile in which the subject of the profile has the power to decide what does and does not get printed. They're being propagandized.


The author does say that very, very little was left out or changed, but it would be helpful to know what that means, like what rough percentage of it? 1%? 5%? 10%? Impossible to determine.

Greenwald has been ragging on Obama a lot lately.
 
2012-09-16 08:06:25 PM

Gulper Eel: Interesting piece.

Interesting in that the piece does not mention that in exchange for access, Lewis gave the White House approval rights over any quotes used in TFA.

Kudos to the New York Times for actually calling bullshiat.

Now that it's become clear that many journalists covering politics and government agree to quotation-approval as a condition of access, it's tough not to see the pageant of democracy as just that: a carefully constructed performance meant to showcase the participants in the best light.

At the very least the quote-approval needs to be disclosed. In this article, it wasn't.

But that's okay because it makes your guy look good.

Even the reliably left-wing Glenn Greenwald is calling it a puff piece, and then goes about thorougly ripping to shreds all the excuses given for quote approval.

Then he wraps with this, and I'll boldface it so you can read it through koolaid-colored glasses:

No readers are being "informed" by the publication of a profile in which the subject of the profile has the power to decide what does and does not get printed. They're being propagandized.


Saying what is "on the record" versus "off the record" is nothing new in journalism. A quote approval is not equivalent to them approving what is printed. I agree as a minimum this disclaimer should be right in the article itself. Perhaps, the author didn't mention it because no quotes ended up being suppressed in the end.

During an election cycle and based on the GOP willing to may hay out of practically nothing, it isn't surprising that the administration is trying not to feed ammunition to the Romney campaign.

Thanks for the link.
 
2012-09-16 08:07:59 PM

make me some tea: Greenwald has been ragging on Obama a lot lately.


Greenwald's angry at the state of political journalism. Obama, being the president and thus highest profile person being enjournal'd, thus comes up often.
 
2012-09-16 08:10:02 PM

mrshowrules: During an election cycle and based on the GOP willing to may hay out of practically nothing, it isn't surprising that the administration is trying not to feed ammunition to the Romney campaign.


That was also addressed in either the article or the NPR interview, I can't recall which.
 
2012-09-16 08:11:18 PM

Gulper Eel: Interesting piece.

Interesting in that the piece does not mention that in exchange for access, Lewis gave the White House approval rights over any quotes used in TFA.

Kudos to the New York Times for actually calling bullshiat.

Now that it's become clear that many journalists covering politics and government agree to quotation-approval as a condition of access, it's tough not to see the pageant of democracy as just that: a carefully constructed performance meant to showcase the participants in the best light.

At the very least the quote-approval needs to be disclosed. In this article, it wasn't.

But that's okay because it makes your guy look good.

Even the reliably left-wing Glenn Greenwald is calling it a puff piece, and then goes about thorougly ripping to shreds all the excuses given for quote approval.

Then he wraps with this, and I'll boldface it so you can read it through koolaid-colored glasses:

No readers are being "informed" by the publication of a profile in which the subject of the profile has the power to decide what does and does not get printed. They're being propagandized.


Greenwald stopped carrying water for Obama when it became obvious he was going to blow up everyone in Pakistan just for the hell of it. He hasn't been reliably left-wing in a few years (whatever that means in the first place).
 
2012-09-16 08:13:21 PM

make me some tea: The author does say that very, very little was left out or changed, but it would be helpful to know what that means


Why change much if the article's going to be so favorable?

Could any of you here see Matt Taibbi agreeing to quote approval?
 
2012-09-16 08:14:32 PM

Gyrfalcon: Benevolent Misanthrope: tenpoundsofcheese: fta: "He prefers the F.B.I.'s because it is a bit smaller than a regulation court, which reduces also the advantages of youth"

what a surprise.

Wow. Way to give a little context there, Sparky.

He did. As little as possible.


Successful troll remains (relatively) successful.
 
2012-09-16 08:22:14 PM
ODS is sad to watch.

Link
 
2012-09-16 08:24:29 PM

sparkeyjames: When this article goes wide spread, which it will, I look forward to mountain of stupid knee jerk
republican reactions.


Look up 3 posts.



Mission Accomplished.
 
2012-09-16 08:25:09 PM
Nice article, I'd like to play golf with the guy and then have a beer with him, as someone previously mentioned - it's good to have an adult in charge again. It was interesting to read about the decision making process concerning Libya, I liked how Obama entertained opinions from people who weren't just senior officials, and cautions regarding quote decision privileges aside - it's obvious Michael Lewis enjoyed his time with President Obama.
 
2012-09-16 08:25:11 PM

Empty Matchbook: Successful troll remains (relatively) successful.


Until he's on everyone's ignore list or we all stop responding to him, he'll still be successful.

He is something of the last troll standing around here. All the other greats are gone.
 
2012-09-16 08:28:03 PM

Gulper Eel: make me some tea: The author does say that very, very little was left out or changed, but it would be helpful to know what that means

Why change much if the article's going to be so favorable?

Could any of you here see Matt Taibbi agreeing to quote approval?


It was quite obviously a pro-Obama piece, there's no doubt there, but I also don't have any reason to believe anything said in it is false. It's certainly not going to change anyone's mind, but it was a very interesting read nonetheless.

I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc), but I suppose that would've made the article 20 pages instead of 9. The Libya decisionmaking process was fascinating, and that was the central theme of the piece anyway, considering that's what was going on during his time with Obama. I'll read the more comprehensive insider-authored book(s) that come out after his presidency is over, those give a much better arc of understanding, but it ain't over yet.
 
2012-09-16 08:32:30 PM

make me some tea: choosing not to close Guantanomo


When did Obama chose to not close Guantanomo? Or does Congress magically not exist anymore?
 
2012-09-16 08:32:37 PM

Gulper Eel: make me some tea: The author does say that very, very little was left out or changed, but it would be helpful to know what that means

Why change much if the article's going to be so favorable?

Could any of you here see Matt Taibbi agreeing to quote approval?


I don't know what Matt Taibbi would do but

On Morning Joe last week Micheal Lewis was on with Jon Meacham.
Jon Meacham is a historian, low key person, and journalist

riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com

When Micheal Lewis started telling the anecdotes
of being in the White House Jon Meacham was wide eyed and
enthralled by the everyday details of the Presidency
 
2012-09-16 08:32:41 PM
"The common man is a fool"

Comes from man's inability AND willingness to comprehend fact.
 
2012-09-16 08:32:50 PM

make me some tea: gopher321: Benevolent Misanthrope: Welcome to the "no shiat" files. Jesus - it's like people have no idea how politics works.

This is why I'm seriously considering moving to Canada. They may have the same lack of leaders the US does, but at least their leaders' little picayune arguments don't affect the entire farking world.

I work with an ex-pat Yank. Helluva nice guy, real smart, cute wife. Bit of a conspiracy freak. Though I have to admit some of the things he's told me about what your government is up to/what might be up to scare the shiat out of me.

After reading this entire piece, much like after reading "What Happened" about the Bush admin, I found that the man and how he operates are somewhat different than he's largely portrayed, even by sympathetic press.

I found the decision making process Obama employs particularly interesting, and reassuring. It'd be neat to see how that compares to other Administrations.


Obama does not compare to any administration in any way. He is the worst president and worst American in American history. (A title formerly held by Jiminy Carter.) The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers also violated the War Powers Act with his actions regarding Libya.
 
2012-09-16 08:35:44 PM

PonceAlyosha: Notabunny: unit63: FTFA: Eight years ago he could have taken a group tour of the White House and no one would have recognized him.

Funny because true.

I understand the point he's trying to make, but, no, that statement is not true. Eight years ago, everybody knew who Barack Obama was.

That's not true at all. While that speech catapulted him to prominence, the vast majority of Americans still had no idea who the hell he was until the primaries. You're confusing common knowledge in our self selected political wonk bubble for general common knowledge.


We disagree, but in this discussion the terms "everybody" and "nobody" apply to folks who follow politics. Otherwise, it would be just as accurate to say that most of the people running in the primaries are unknown. Even folks whose names have been occasionally mentioned in national media (i.e. Rick Santorum, Tim Pawlenty, Rick Perry and Jon Huntsman) and who are common names in political threads, were probably unknown to the general public before the primaries, and are probably unknown now that the primaries are over. So i stand by my point that eight years ago, everybody (who follows politics) knew who Barack Obama was.
 
2012-09-16 08:36:08 PM

armoredbulldozer: Obama does not compare to any administration in any way. He is the worst president and worst American in American history. (A title formerly held by Jiminy Carter.) The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers also violated the War Powers Act with his actions regarding Libya.


Oh, is that so? I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
 
2012-09-16 08:38:13 PM

make me some tea: armoredbulldozer: Obama does not compare to any administration in any way. He is the worst president and worst American in American history. (A title formerly held by Jiminy Carter.) The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers also violated the War Powers Act with his actions regarding Libya.

Oh, is that so? I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.


thedanashow.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-16 08:38:17 PM

PonceAlyosha: make me some tea: choosing not to close Guantanomo

When did Obama chose to not close Guantanomo? Or does Congress magically not exist anymore?


I suppose.
 
2012-09-16 08:38:22 PM

SouthParkCon: So a noted Liberal author slobbers on his Messiah's knob and the Fark Progressive Brigade heralds it as further proof of Dear Leader's right to rule.

Your tears will be so sweet come November...

/Flame On!


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-09-16 08:39:22 PM

DeltaPunch: Welcome to January, 2009.


Pft, try November 2008. Obama's been bringing out the crazies since his name went in the pot for some reason, albeit initially they were Dem crazies.

I'm actually kind of thinking it's just idiots in general objecting not to having a fellow idiot or half-asser in the post for the first time in two decades, not even a partisan thing. Took a bit longer for Hillaryis44 to go away than it should have were it just about beating on the "other guy".
 
2012-09-16 08:39:36 PM

make me some tea: I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc)


Are You High?

And drone strikes go right along with the foreign policy he outlined in the debates and speeches before the 2008 election: he said he'd go into other countries to get bin Ladan other members of al Qaeda, but do it in the least invasive war possible, and we're still technically in a war in (but not with) Afghanistan.

Was I the only one who actually paid attention to what Obama said in 2008?
 
2012-09-16 08:44:24 PM

Notabunny: We disagree, but in this discussion the terms "everybody" and "nobody" apply to folks who follow politics


Goal post MOOOOOVED.
 
2012-09-16 08:48:36 PM

Dwight_Yeast: make me some tea: I would like to have seen more of a discussion on how he feels about some of his failures, and his more controversial actions (drone strikes, choosing not to close Guantanomo, etc)

Are You High?

And drone strikes go right along with the foreign policy he outlined in the debates and speeches before the 2008 election: he said he'd go into other countries to get bin Ladan other members of al Qaeda, but do it in the least invasive war possible, and we're still technically in a war in (but not with) Afghanistan.

Was I the only one who actually paid attention to what Obama said in 2008?


I realize that, but the drone strikes in particular are a controversial area, especially among liberals, and while I generally agree that it's the best strategy we've got going, I worry how much of a cause célèbre this is for extremist group recruitment overseas, just as I worried with the strategies used under the Bush admin.

I don't really have any answers, just questions I guess.
 
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