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2012-09-16 05:41:44 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Spirit Hammer

The pen is for idiots.


*sigh*

The pen also removes the cashier's judgment (and eyesight) from the equation, while making it very obvious that the person passing the bill must clear a non-subjective hurdle in order to pass the fake bill. 

As an anti-fraud mechanism, the pen is mightier.


Except the pen can be faked with spray starch (see up-thread re: Randi)
Linen paper, water mark, color changing ink, mylar thread?
Not so much.

Eyesight may be a factor on reading the denomination on the myar, but the water mark, and color change is pretty clear. So is the feel of the paper.

Trained employees are better than a 1.50 pen.
 
2012-09-16 05:43:33 PM  
You big dummies. yeah not taking the time to check those 2 $100 bills is not gonna cost Wal-mart a hell of alot more in a settlement.

I am guess Wal-mart tried to deal with this quietly but did not offer enough or wanted to do so with out an apology.

Wal-marts people flat out blew it and now wal-mart needs to fess up and pay up.
 
2012-09-16 05:48:47 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: DownDaRiver: What the hell is with the Daily Fail greens today?
Is it just automatic?
Are any of the stories actually brit in origin?

American submitters are unionized, get weekends off.


Nah, its more likely Subbsy is gay and sucks off mod/mins for greens
 
2012-09-16 05:49:27 PM  

grimlock1972: You big dummies. yeah not taking the time to check those 2 $100 bills is now gonna cost Wal-mart a hell of alot more in a settlement.

I am guess Wal-mart tried to deal with this quietly but did not offer enough or wanted to do so with out an apology.

Wal-marts people flat out blew it and now wal-mart needs to fess up and pay up.


/cannot type to save my soul today.
 
2012-09-16 05:54:31 PM  

DownDaRiver: Nah, its more likely Subbsy is gay and sucks off mod/mins for greens


Rolling down the river. Keep rolling.
 
2012-09-16 05:58:18 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: if they 'were' counterfeit, the authorities would have preferred them whole instead of ripped up.


Exactly. You're supposed to hold them intact for the Secret Service to pick up. 

/I wonder if it was an attempted shakedown of a hispanic customer by the clerk / manager.

"confiscate" the suspect money and she pays with some other currency, then the clerk/manager tape it back together and voila'. They've made some extra dough for the day.
 
2012-09-16 06:03:13 PM  

ultraholland: After the bills were found legal by police the store manager allegedly tried to give her back the ripped currency

So wait, he (allegedly) attempted to return her money and she refused to accept it?


Allegedly.
 
2012-09-16 06:07:13 PM  

Tanukis_Parachute: if they 'were' counterfeit, the authorities would have preferred them whole instead of ripped up.

someone went on a power trip.


My thought, too. Thinking they're fake is one thing, but ripping them in half makes zero sense no matter how you shake it.
 
2012-09-16 06:09:17 PM  

Spirit Hammer: I used to work in a casino (in IT, not money handler) and they gave classes on identifying bills.
It's absurdly easy for 99.9% of counterfeits. (or rather to check for them)
Feel the paper. (You've felt money before right?)
Look at the bill. Look for blue/green threads.
Flip the bill, denomination match both sides?
Tilt the bill and look for the color change on the seal on the front side.
Hold it up to the light and look for the water mark, and the mylar thread (with the correct denomination)

The pen is for idiots.


Blue/red threads.
 
2012-09-16 06:09:35 PM  
Paging Farker Fnorgby... Fnorgby, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
 
2012-09-16 06:10:58 PM  

BizarreMan: Tanukis_Parachute: if they 'were' counterfeit, the authorities would have preferred them whole instead of ripped up.

Exactly. You're supposed to hold them intact for the Secret Service to pick up. 

/I wonder if it was an attempted shakedown of a hispanic customer by the clerk / manager.

"confiscate" the suspect money and she pays with some other currency, then the clerk/manager tape it back together and voila'. They've made some extra dough for the day.


I'm sure it was an attempted shakedown and leave out the Hispanic part. The manager just wanted to be a dick, and this lady seemed vulnerable enough to provide an easy target. If Hispanics stopped shopping at Walmart, the company would fold in under a week.
 
2012-09-16 06:11:24 PM  

Selector: People have this stereotypical image of the grocery store worker being a drooling power-hungry moron, but it's actually not a bad gig. I'm a store manager at a similar (albeit smaller) competitor of wal-mart, with two bachelor's degrees from a state university. It's decent money, benefits, etc. Sure, I never envisioned myself arguing with fools about the price of cheese for a living, but no one (and I mean nobody) intends to make a career out of retail grocery. Just kinda happens. And my staff is about like any other...a few shining stars, mostly normal people, and a few fnucking morons.


While I don't think it's right to judge people by their career or level of success I find myself biased against people in restaurant and retail work. Maybe it was my experience with both lines of business during school when I did both restaurant and retail gigs. The work itself is absolutely mind-numbing, unrewarding and all around depressing. I don't think I've ever met a bigger group (not all of course) of morons than in those two industries. Most of the management I knew were people who simply had the position because they've been with the company for a long time. And as you went up the management chain of those businesses I think those managers had either an inferiority complex from their career choice or where just plain stupid and overly narcissistic.

In fact, it was from my experience in those businesses while going to school that I really worked to succeed educationally and career wise in other fields. If I every got stuck in that business I don't think I could look at myself in the mirror. I'd probably just kill myself.
 
2012-09-16 06:17:45 PM  
Isn't it illegal to destroy currency? So shouldn't the salesclerk who ripped up the valid $100 bills be prosecuted?
 
2012-09-16 06:20:57 PM  

ultraholland: After the bills were found legal by police the store manager allegedly tried to give her back the ripped currency

So wait, he (allegedly) attempted to return her money and she refused to accept it?


After first destroying currency, a federal crime in and of itself.

And he wasn't smart enough to actually test the currency first for himself? She didn't tender damaged/destroyed currency; she shouldn't expect the currency that they (allegedly) damaged/destroyed in return.

Also,

if they 'were' counterfeit, the authorities would have preferred them whole instead of ripped up.

this.

Doesn't seem to be about wanting to prosecute for counterfeiting to me. More like using $100 bills while Mexican at WalMart... which,

If Hispanics stopped shopping at Walmart, the company would fold in under a week.

isn't a bad idea...
 
2012-09-16 06:24:04 PM  

KingoftheCheese: The manager was just doing his job. As a customer service representative, he was exercising his right to refuse service to anyone. And I'm willing to bet that this customer was less than calm. Usually ethnic women are quite loud and opinionated when confronted by figures of authority.


Your attempt to couch racism in " rational" thinking is pretty weak.

/yup. yer an asshole
 
2012-09-16 06:29:20 PM  

Iceman_Cometh: Spirit Hammer: I used to work in a casino (in IT, not money handler) and they gave classes on identifying bills.
It's absurdly easy for 99.9% of counterfeits. (or rather to check for them)
Feel the paper. (You've felt money before right?)
Look at the bill. Look for blue/green threads.
Flip the bill, denomination match both sides?
Tilt the bill and look for the color change on the seal on the front side.
Hold it up to the light and look for the water mark, and the mylar thread (with the correct denomination)

The pen is for idiots.

Blue/red threads.

Huh?
Checks bills in pockets.
Smacks head.
Ok. You're right.
But still threads.
 
2012-09-16 06:34:17 PM  

Gyrfalcon: jat26006: styckx: After two hours at the front, police arrived around 4.15am

That's some impressive response time there Lou.

especially with someone "detained" by "security"

*sigh* Look up shopkeeper's privilege. Under just about every law in the land, storekeepers are allowed to detain someone suspected of theft for a reasonable amount of time in order to investigate it. Although nobody defines "reasonable" amount of time, the general rule in loss prevention is no more than 30 minutes. If the cops are going to take longer to arrive, you have to get the suspect's information and let them go, otherwise you're looking at false imprisonment.

Which is what I'd be considering were I in this lady's shoes. Also intentional infliction of emotional distress. She's got grounds for all kinds of fun tort claims, really.


The magic number is 15 min, after that it gets expensive for the store. I would have insisted the manager be taken in by the police and booked.
 
2012-09-16 06:39:38 PM  

DownDaRiver: Farkenhostile: Why not just redirect fark.com to thedailymail.com on weekends to save people time?

No, don't do that.
If Fark were nothing but Daily Fail. I wouldn't even bother.
As it stands you have a 1-in-4 chance of reading a link that isn't DF.
Would be nice though if DF didn't get an auto green when the others don't stand much of a chance.

Boycott Daily Fail links!!!


I've submitted DM articles that were redlit only to see the same story greenest from a different source. It happens.
 
2012-09-16 06:45:38 PM  

BizarreMan: Tanukis_Parachute: if they 'were' counterfeit, the authorities would have preferred them whole instead of ripped up.

Exactly. You're supposed to hold them intact for the Secret Service to pick up. 

/I wonder if it was an attempted shakedown of a hispanic customer by the clerk / manager.

"confiscate" the suspect money and she pays with some other currency, then the clerk/manager tape it back together and voila'. They've made some extra dough for the day.


Right, and call the cops why?
 
2012-09-16 06:48:19 PM  
Don't most places have a "just give the suspected counterfeiter the money back and refuse the sale" policy?

If that bill HAD been a fake, the counterfeiter wouldn't have allowed him/herself to be detained. Nobody who's on the hook for decades of jail time is just going to say "Oh gee whiz! You got me! OK, slap on the cuff, Ms. Cashier. I'll just wait here quietly to be arrested." They'll pull out a knife or gun and do whatever it takes to get out of there.
 
2012-09-16 06:48:31 PM  

Spirit Hammer: Except the pen can be faked with spray starch (see up-thread re: Randi)


Unless you know what type of pen the establishment is using, the "spray starch" trick seems like an iffy proposition. It might fool the pens that are checking the pH of the paper, but it will (obviously) cause the starch-detecting pens to indicate a forgery. In fact, that's what Randi is doing - he's altering genuine bills in such a way that they'll show up as counterfeit, and then releasing them into circulation. Kind of a dick move, if you ask me.
 
2012-09-16 06:52:38 PM  
Exactly why I will only use these for payment, no one ever suspects they are fake:

www.eileenmcdargh.com
 
2012-09-16 06:54:38 PM  
Even with violating USC 18 § 333 aside for the simple defacement; the cops could have arrested the store employees for damaging or attempting to destroy evidence should the bills turned out to be counterfeit.
 
2012-09-16 07:10:23 PM  
So I hear there's a Walmart looking for a new manager.
 
2012-09-16 07:17:06 PM  
I believe that ripping up money is considered destruction of federal property. A lawsuit is only the start of their problems.
 
2012-09-16 07:25:05 PM  

Girion47: You can also send it to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in Washington DC, 14th and D SW. The lab will piece your bills back together and send you a check. This also works if you have a 2 ft sphere of cash that was buried in the yard. They'll take it apart and determine value.


That is an oddly specific example...
 
2012-09-16 07:27:34 PM  

MrBentor: Even with violating USC 18 § 333 aside for the simple defacement; the cops could have arrested the store employees for damaging or attempting to destroy evidence should the bills turned out to be counterfeit.


There would have been a riot in that town if the walmart was shutdown.
 
2012-09-16 07:33:15 PM  
A minimum wage employee conferring with a CSM, which is like a minimum wage employee with a set front-end keys that exists because salaried managers can't stay up by the registers all day long. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-09-16 07:36:16 PM  

Flint Ironstag: DownDaRiver: Farkenhostile: Why not just redirect fark.com to thedailymail.com on weekends to save people time?

No, don't do that.
If Fark were nothing but Daily Fail. I wouldn't even bother.
As it stands you have a 1-in-4 chance of reading a link that isn't DF.
Would be nice though if DF didn't get an auto green when the others don't stand much of a chance.

Boycott Daily Fail links!!!

I've submitted DM articles that were redlit only to see the same story greenest from a different source. It happens.


That's nice
Sorry though, I'm out of cookies
 
2012-09-16 07:53:29 PM  

NephilimNexus: I believe that ripping up money is considered destruction of federal property.


It's not destruction of federal property, in the same sense that breaking windows in a federal building or smashing up a federal automobile is destruction of property. But defacing currency is a crime under 18 USC 333.

Add that to unlawful detainment, defamation and slander, and potentially tampering with evidence, and these guys are in for a world of hurt. I'd make them pay, and the $75k figure is missing quite a few zeros.
 
2012-09-16 07:57:13 PM  
real bills are pretty hard to tear.
 
2012-09-16 08:00:38 PM  
While a terrible thing for Mrs. Garcia to endure is it really worth $75,000? Frivolous lawsuits ruin American business.
- JPUSA , Chicago, United States,


Lolz
 
2012-09-16 08:11:41 PM  

ultraholland: After the bills were found legal by police the store manager allegedly tried to give her back the ripped currency

So wait, he (allegedly) attempted to return her money and she refused to accept it?


So, wait, you're (allegedly) retarded. Okay, not allegedly.
 
2012-09-16 08:12:13 PM  

tillerman35: Don't most places have a "just give the suspected counterfeiter the money back and refuse the sale" policy?

If that bill HAD been a fake, the counterfeiter wouldn't have allowed him/herself to be detained. Nobody who's on the hook for decades of jail time is just going to say "Oh gee whiz! You got me! OK, slap on the cuff, Ms. Cashier. I'll just wait here quietly to be arrested." They'll pull out a knife or gun and do whatever it takes to get out of there.


That's assuming they know it is counterfeit. Lots of counterfeiters don't actually pass the money themselves--they make the bills, then sell them to dealers (if that's the right word), for something like 50 cents on the dollar, and then these dealers actually go out and pass them. Even then, the dealers are careful--they give some handy cash to a friend or family member and ask them to make some purchases and bring back the change. The friend may in fact be unaware he's buying shiat with fake money.

That's the big counterfeiters of course. The fools who think Xeroxing a couple hundreds is a good idea don't do that--but they're unlikely to run from the cops anyway, since they've got very little to lose.
 
2012-09-16 08:18:43 PM  
You'd think they'd know what real ones look like because a lot of Walmart shoppers are paid in cash.
 
2012-09-16 08:31:04 PM  
Sorry if I missed it, but am I the only who noticed that we only have her side of the story? I have a difficult time believing that the associates would rip the bills in half without checking them at all. An even more difficult time believing that a manager would do so. As fun as it might be to pick on them, most of their workers are functionally literate and are trained in cash-handling. I worked for the company for many years, and yes, I do possess an I.Q. over 100. I also have a bachelor's, an MSEd, and now teach for a living. (Granted, I did quit Wally World once I got my degree, so you might have something there.)
I also find it odd that the police escorted her to her vehicle afterward. They usually only do that when they want to ensure that you leave the premises.
 
2012-09-16 08:35:03 PM  
Going to a Walmart in TX: that increases the Fascistic Behavior probability. At least she didn't try singing the national anthem in the parking lot.
 
2012-09-16 08:42:19 PM  
At first, it was all outrage at this abuse. Then, in the second para, it was 'San Antonio, TX. Now it's 'Meh'.
 
2012-09-16 08:47:09 PM  
I often hear about this kind of thing without the money being taken. For 200 bones I'll hang around Wally World for four hours, but if it's just some Walmart schmuck telling me to stay when I want to go, I'm thoroughly capable of just going anyway. Did I miss some swearing-in ceremony where store employees nationwide became deputized to take people into their custody?
 
2012-09-16 08:50:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: jat26006: styckx: After two hours at the front, police arrived around 4.15am

That's some impressive response time there Lou.

especially with someone "detained" by "security"

*sigh* Look up shopkeeper's privilege. Under just about every law in the land, storekeepers are allowed to detain someone suspected of theft for a reasonable amount of time in order to investigate it. Although nobody defines "reasonable" amount of time, the general rule in loss prevention is no more than 30 minutes. If the cops are going to take longer to arrive, you have to get the suspect's information and let them go, otherwise you're looking at false imprisonment.

Which is what I'd be considering were I in this lady's shoes. Also intentional infliction of emotional distress. She's got grounds for all kinds of fun tort claims, really.


actually the way we handle it is we have 30 minutes to conduct our interview before we call the police...we can not hold a shoplifter for longer than 30 minutes without calling the police...if the cops take 3 hours to get here and we called within a half hour its all kosher
 
2012-09-16 08:51:13 PM  

lohphat: FTFA: "It was in the early hours of December 18, 2010..."

Cue: oldnewsissoexciting.jpg


That's my first thought, too. Two years later and she starts suing. Something's fishy here.
 
2012-09-16 08:54:42 PM  

Makh: And those employees vote, too.


Yes sir. That will be painfully apparent in a couple of months.
 
2012-09-16 09:08:16 PM  
I used a $100 bill at a store and the clerk used a BLACK felt pen to check if it was legitimate, not one of those detector pens. She started to freak out and would have gone full retard had I not quickly pointed out her error.
 
2012-09-16 09:08:23 PM  

Dalrint: Girion47: You can also send it to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing in Washington DC, 14th and D SW. The lab will piece your bills back together and send you a check. This also works if you have a 2 ft sphere of cash that was buried in the yard. They'll take it apart and determine value.

That is an oddly specific example...


It's from a documentary on cash money. Said sphere of cash had also been feasted upon by termites.
 
2012-09-16 09:08:27 PM  

xiaodown: Admittedly, we are a sue-happy culture, but I think the woman's got a totally legitimate complaint, here. The store detained her and humiliated her in front of other employees and customers. That sounds like cause for compensation to me.


Yup. Not a lot of compensation but she certainly should get something.

jake_lex: Queensowntalia: lohphat: FTFA: "It was in the early hours of December 18, 2010..."

Cue: oldnewsissoexciting.jpg

It got media attention when she filed the suit several days ago.

"Ms Garcia, who said she was escorted out to her car by the officer around 5am, filed her complaint for false imprisonment and intentional infliction of emotional distress against the store on September 9."

My guess is that Walmart tried to do some sort of arbitration/mediation about this, tried to screw her in that too, and she rejected the offer and is now taking it to court. That would explain the long delay between this incident and the lawsuit.


Sounds reasonable.
 
2012-09-16 09:21:59 PM  
adding to her humiliation, the employees told curious customers in passing that she was busted trying to use fake money.

And there, ladies and gentleman, is the tort. All the other stuff is tenuously excused by shopkeeper's privilege. She also wasn't imprisoned or detained so much as she willingly stayed because she wanted her damn money back. The quoted bit is definitely not okay though, she'll get some money for that.
 
2012-09-16 10:02:09 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Rapmaster2000

Some of my best friends are ethnic.


My grandfather was ethnic, so that makes me one-quarter ethnic.


Ethnicity is a Learned Behaviour.
 
2012-09-16 10:10:18 PM  
Came for pics of trashy ugly fatties shopping at Wal-Mart...leaving disappointed.

I need to look at these sort of pics conveniently placed in this thread so I can feel better about this being another weekend where I didn't get to shove my tongue down a woman's esophogus and exchange several tablespoons of saliva.

Indeed, the schadenfreudical nature of such pics would have consoled me with the assurance that there are people out there even more hideous than I.

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2012-09-16 10:17:08 PM  

Silentbob768768: Gyrfalcon: jat26006: styckx: After two hours at the front, police arrived around 4.15am

That's some impressive response time there Lou.

especially with someone "detained" by "security"

*sigh* Look up shopkeeper's privilege. Under just about every law in the land, storekeepers are allowed to detain someone suspected of theft for a reasonable amount of time in order to investigate it. Although nobody defines "reasonable" amount of time, the general rule in loss prevention is no more than 30 minutes. If the cops are going to take longer to arrive, you have to get the suspect's information and let them go, otherwise you're looking at false imprisonment.

Which is what I'd be considering were I in this lady's shoes. Also intentional infliction of emotional distress. She's got grounds for all kinds of fun tort claims, really.

actually the way we handle it is we have 30 minutes to conduct our interview before we call the police...we can not hold a shoplifter for longer than 30 minutes without calling the police...if the cops take 3 hours to get here and we called within a half hour its all kosher


Meh, it's different with different agencies and jurisdictions. At Disneyland when I was LP, we had 30 minutes from the moment they set foot backstage to conduct the interview, complete the report, and hand the thing over to the cops. We had a cop on duty in Security to expedite the process--but if we weren't done in that 30 minute window, he often wouldn't take the case unless it was for a high dollar amount. When the cop wasn't on property, we could hold them for a regular PD officer...but if the person said, "Nope, I'm leaving," while waiting for the cops, then we had to let them go.
 
2012-09-16 10:18:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: *sigh* Look up shopkeeper's privilege. Under just about every law in the land, storekeepers are allowed to detain someone suspected of theft for a reasonable amount of time in order to investigate it.


Just to be pedantic, she was never accused of theft, so this would not apply.
 
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