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2012-09-16 05:21:39 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: basemetal: OU is overrated in my opinion, until otherwise proven.

I'm looking forward to the Sooners' trip to and decimation in Morgantown.


I'm glad you guys are in our conference, an upgrade over those losers that just left. I hope we introduce you properly, however.
 
2012-09-16 05:23:34 PM

basemetal: TofuTheAlmighty: basemetal: OU is overrated in my opinion, until otherwise proven.

I'm looking forward to the Sooners' trip to and decimation in Morgantown.

I'm glad you guys are in our conference, an upgrade over those losers that just left. I hope we introduce you properly, however.


Oh, and it's not like we have bragging rights on our last meeting...........so don't count me as overly confident.
 
2012-09-16 05:31:06 PM
If ND goes 11-1 or 12-0, ESPN would dynamite an orphange if necessary to make sure that the Irish are in the championship game.

ND vs. Alabama? They would shoot spooge on the ISS' windows.
 
2012-09-16 05:33:47 PM

TheOther: ND vs. Alabama? They would shoot spooge on the ISS' windows.


Heh! Yes they would, yes they would.
 
2012-09-16 05:44:02 PM

seelorq: steamingpile: seelorq: bel4sucks: seelorq: That's the current ranking of the one other ranked team that UGA will play other than Florida at this time, so it serves as a benchmark of sorts to illustrate how weak their schedule is relative to Florida's at this time, barring no other movement in the rankings from now until the end of october.


Fixed to show ridiculousness

What part of "current ranking"--which I used more than once in my posts--do you not understand?

From your reply, apparently all of it.

It means the rankings that are current today, which reflect three weeks of play. That current rankings will change in the future is implicit.

Your problem is you use the crappy rankings to try and make a point for how another team is overrated because they don't play enough ranked teams. Do you not see the conundrum?

UT won't be ranked by the end and FSU is way overrated, LSU may be as well but we aren't sure yet.

You don't like the rankings. Fine. I don't think they are perfect either...but its what we've got, and they represent the consensus of insiders. I didn't say Georgia was overrated. I said relative to Florida at current rankings, their strength of schedule was weaker in reply to srhp29, who asked about the difficulty of Georgia's SEC schedule.


I don't see it much harder outside of two games, besides UF would still have lost at least one of those two games no matter who they played.

Either way using the rankings to imply anything is stupid at this date.
 
2012-09-16 05:45:57 PM

Chunks McGunks: OU has played no one and almost lost to UTEP


Uhm, the OU-UTEP game I saw had UTEP scoring a total of 7 points (scoring only on a blocked punt early in the first), and getting beat by more than 2 touchdowns, while generating a whopping FOUR YARDS total offense in the 4th quarter.

Which OU-UTEP game did you see?
 
2012-09-16 05:46:33 PM

TheOther: If ND goes 11-1 or 12-0, ESPN would dynamite an orphange if necessary to make sure that the Irish are in the championship game.

ND vs. Alabama? They would shoot spooge on the ISS' windows.


Hell, we'd be Christy Canyon to ESPN's Peter North.
 
2012-09-16 05:47:11 PM

Funk Brothers: I think if Notre Dame can beat Michigan, they might have a chance of being a contender for the National Championship this year. They have a tough schedule this year playing against Michigan, Stanford, BYU, Oklahoma, and USC. I think their easiest teams are Navy and Wake Forest.

If Notre Dame can contain Denard Robinson Denise Richards, they will win next Saturday night.


FTFY
 
2012-09-16 05:58:28 PM

SevenizGud: Chunks McGunks: OU has played no one and almost lost to UTEP

Uhm, the OU-UTEP game I saw had UTEP scoring a total of 7 points (scoring only on a blocked punt early in the first), and getting beat by more than 2 touchdowns, while generating a whopping FOUR YARDS total offense in the 4th quarter.

Which OU-UTEP game did you see?


Really? You're trying to argue OU played well in that game? If that was OU playing well go ahead and knock them down to 20 or so.
 
2012-09-16 05:59:22 PM
#1 and #2 deserve it, but after watching Oregon yesterday play so sloppy during the first half against that cupcake, I'm not sure they should be at #3. A good team would've turned Oregon's mistakes into a lot of points.
 
2012-09-16 06:08:33 PM

TheOther: If ND goes 11-1 or 12-0, ESPN would dynamite an orphange if necessary to make sure that the Irish are in the championship game.

ND vs. Alabama? They would shoot spooge on the ISS' windows.


Any conference hoping to portray the SEC as overrated better pray to god this match up doesn't happen.
 
2012-09-16 06:15:01 PM

Chunks McGunks: You're trying to argue OU played well in that game?


Uhm, reading comprehension is not really your thing is it? Let's see if you can distinguish the following two concepts:

1. Almost losing.
2. Playing well.

Do you see the difference? Of course you don't, because you have the intelligence of a sponge. So let me hold your hand all the way through, mmmkay, boobsy-boo?

You see, the issue was ALMOST LOSING. My post was directed to the concept of ALMOST LOSING.

How is it that one could argue that a team "almost lost" when the other team's offense scored ZERO POINTS?

Do you understand now, or do I need to draw you a picture in crayola so that it will be more your speed? 

Let's summarize the UTEP drives:

FG miss
punt
punt
punt
FG miss
downs
punt
punt
FG miss
downs
punt
punt
punt

In what farking world is that "almost losing"? Did they "almost lose" because UTEP almost made a field goal?
 
2012-09-16 06:32:23 PM

SevenizGud: Chunks McGunks: You're trying to argue OU played well in that game?

Uhm, reading comprehension is not really your thing is it? Let's see if you can distinguish the following two concepts:

1. Almost losing.
2. Playing well.

Do you see the difference? Of course you don't, because you have the intelligence of a sponge. So let me hold your hand all the way through, mmmkay, boobsy-boo?

You see, the issue was ALMOST LOSING. My post was directed to the concept of ALMOST LOSING.

How is it that one could argue that a team "almost lost" when the other team's offense scored ZERO POINTS?

Do you understand now, or do I need to draw you a picture in crayola so that it will be more your speed? 

Let's summarize the UTEP drives:

FG miss
punt
punt
punt
FG miss
downs
punt
punt
FG miss
downs
punt
punt
punt

In what farking world is that "almost losing"? Did they "almost lose" because UTEP almost made a field goal?


I'm sorry I have offended you. I did not realize you were so sensitive.
 
2012-09-16 06:35:19 PM

Chunks McGunks: I'm sorry I have offended you. I did not realize you were so sensitive.


Two counts of false premise.

You said OU "almost lost". I am just pointing out that 24-7 is not almost losing. Winning in overtime is almost losing. Winning on a FG late is almost losing. The other team missing a FG late is almost losing. Winning by more than 2 touchdowns is not almost losing.
 
2012-09-16 06:58:26 PM

Funk Brothers: I think if Notre Dame can beat Michigan, they might have a chance of being a contender for the National Championship this year. They have a tough schedule this year playing against Michigan, Stanford, BYU, Oklahoma, and USC. I think their easiest teams are Navy and Wake Forest.

If Notre Dame can contain Denard Robinson, they will win next Saturday night.


Thanks, Lou!
 
2012-09-16 07:00:55 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Stop me if you've heard this one: there's football on BOTH sides of the Mississippi river.


Sure - but West of the Mississippi, it's not as good.
 
2012-09-16 07:01:40 PM

das: I like how USA Today pretends that tOSU doesn't exist.


USA Today Top 25 is factored into the BCS Ranking. Since Ohio State can't bowl this season, they're not ranked. The AP Top 25 is more representative of teams that can and can't bowl.
 
2012-09-16 07:07:07 PM

Krymson Tyde: I really don't want Alabama to have the big target on it's collective back, but I can't either.


Honestly, me either. Michigan isn't great, but they're still good and Robinson got chased out of Tuscaloosa with his tail between his legs. I think its Alabama #1 and the rest doesn't matter until someone beats the Tide.
 
2012-09-16 07:12:52 PM
Notre Dame has no business being ranked in the top 25. Their conference schedule is so weak, even Boise State plays a tougher one.
 
2012-09-16 07:18:58 PM
Fark it, go Irish.
 
2012-09-16 07:21:27 PM

wjmorris3: Notre Dame has no business being ranked in the top 25. Their conference schedule is so weak, even Boise State plays a tougher one.


Good show!
 
2012-09-16 07:45:41 PM

Funk Brothers: das: I like how USA Today pretends that tOSU doesn't exist.

USA Today Top 25 is factored into the BCS Ranking. Since Ohio State can't bowl this season, they're not ranked. The AP Top 25 is more representative of teams that can and can't bowl.


After almost losing to a lower rung Pac 12 school on their own field (one that lost to Nevada @ Berkley earlier this year), maybe the USA Today poll is more realistic in how it portrays how good tOSU is though.
 
2012-09-16 08:00:45 PM
Very ironic tag, Subby. Satiric even.
 
2012-09-16 08:05:45 PM
Full disclosure: Die-hard Duck. Been a fan for 35+ years, went to school at Oregon from '89 - '93.

If they played the game today, at a neutral field, Alabama beats the Ducks. An LSU game would be closer, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ducks lost that one, too.

Hypothetical time....

Ducks win out and go to the NC.

Winner of the Bama/LSU game on November 3rd goes undefeated, too.

Whichever SEC team that is meets the Ducks at the Natty in Florida (and their fans will travel better to Florida).

I suspect the margin of victory in that game is bigger than the Auburn/Oregon game from 2 years ago.

/this 'Bama team is scary good. Sort of like Miami in in '01/'02
 
2012-09-16 08:19:16 PM

das: I like how USA Today pretends that tOSU doesn't exist.


Really, they squeaked by Cal at home, who is arguably the 8th best team in the Pac-12, maybe 7th depends on whether or not BOTH AZ schools get their shiat together.

And that's what you want to stake your claim to greatness on? Who else have they played? UCF? Miami, OH? Who's next? UAB? You realize that's Birmingham NOT Tuscaloosa right? Then on to the shiatty B1G (little) schedule? GTFO
 
2012-09-16 08:29:16 PM

seelorq: Yes. UGA got it easy this year. By current rankings, they will play just one top 7 team for the rest of the season (#7, South Carolina). Florida, by way, will play four, including LSU.


So, Florida's schedule is tougher than Georgia's, in part, because Florida has to play Georgia. Meanwhile, Georgia only has to play Florida. You're a farking idiot, even though Florida's schedule is tougher.
 
2012-09-16 08:33:54 PM

Lee's_Austin: lacydog: If you don't think the SEC is overrated, then please enlighten me as to why Florida is ranked so high? They don't have a single good QB, they've struggled against BOWLING GREEN of all teams, and they're coming off of a 6-6 season. Who thought they needed to be ranked before the season started at all? And what have they done to earn their current #14 ranking? They beat another overrated SEC team in Tennessee, who was 5-7 last year and has done nothing of note this year. That's supposed to be impressive?

I get that everyone has a hard-on for the SEC, but neither of those teams should've be ranked so damn high.

What, in your opinion, is not good about Jeff Driskel.


Moreover, what has UF done to *not* deserve a ranking at this point? They rolled up 555 yds of offense on the road in Neyland stadium, they've outscored their two conference opponents 34-6 in two 2nd halves, Driskel is still learning but they've not turned the ball over in the past two games and scored 2 picks against Bray on Saturday.

Tennessee may not be a conference-winning team, but they're better than they've been in many years. A&M has a new freshman QB but the dude has a lot of natural talent.

Who else below them on the list has played harder road games, won, and consistently improved from week to week? Who really deserves to be ranked higher right now?
 
2012-09-16 08:57:02 PM

ShamWowofDamocles: Full disclosure: Die-hard Duck. Been a fan for 35+ years, went to school at Oregon from '89 - '93.

If they played the game today, at a neutral field, Alabama beats the Ducks. An LSU game would be closer, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ducks lost that one, too.

Hypothetical time....

Ducks win out and go to the NC.

Winner of the Bama/LSU game on November 3rd goes undefeated, too.

Whichever SEC team that is meets the Ducks at the Natty in Florida (and their fans will travel better to Florida).

I suspect the margin of victory in that game is bigger than the Auburn/Oregon game from 2 years ago.

/this 'Bama team is scary good. Sort of like Miami in in '01/'02


I hope they continue looking that good. The thing is this was supposed to be a down year, especially defensively.
 
2012-09-16 09:12:38 PM
Who else, though? There are all of 28 undefeated BCS schools left, half of which are in the SEC and the Big 12. The B1G has collectively shot itself in the foot, Oregon, WVU, and Florida State have spent their Septembers laying waste to Our Sisters of the Poor, and the ACC's third-best team just lost to Pitt. Stanford would probably be higher if they hadn't played so poorly against SJSU.

And anybody who says Alabama hasn't looked like the best team in the country so far is just lying.
 
2012-09-16 09:25:51 PM
Woo, Arizona's up to #22! Who are we playing next week?

...Aw sh*t.

/Bear Down
 
2012-09-16 10:52:51 PM

Your Average Witty Fark User: Stop me if you've heard this one: there's football on BOTH sides of the Mississippi river.


Of course there is.. Arkansas, Missouri, A&M and LSU.
 
2012-09-16 10:55:27 PM

rugman11: Who else, though? There are all of 28 undefeated BCS schools left, half of which are in the SEC and the Big 12. The B1G has collectively shot itself in the foot, Oregon, WVU, and Florida State have spent their Septembers laying waste to Our Sisters of the Poor, and the ACC's third-best team just lost to Pitt. Stanford would probably be higher if they hadn't played so poorly against SJSU.

And anybody who says Alabama hasn't looked like the best team in the country so far is just lying.


Point of order: There are 27 undefeated teams in BCS conferences, not 28. (ACC 2, Big Ten 3, Big East 3, Pac-12 5, SEC 6, Big XII 8).
 
2012-09-16 11:08:30 PM

wjmorris3: Notre Dame has no business being ranked in the top 25. Their conference schedule is so weak, even Boise State plays a tougher one.


Yeah, you know that's not true besides Notre dame beat the team that beat Boise, case closed.
 
2012-09-16 11:17:00 PM
Leave it to Yahoo to make me go to Google to find the actual poll they are discussing in the article.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:24 PM

Confabulat: Leave it to Yahoo to make me go to Google to find the actual poll they are discussing in the article.


Or to the top of the page, where it says "Rankings"
 
2012-09-16 11:34:49 PM

Mentat: Your Average Witty Fark User: Stop me if you've heard this one: there's football on BOTH sides of the Mississippi river.

Of course there is.. Arkansas, Missouri, A&M and LSU.


BURN!
 
2012-09-17 07:45:33 AM

bemis23: Lee's_Austin: lacydog: If you don't think the SEC is overrated, then please enlighten me as to why Florida is ranked so high? They don't have a single good QB, they've struggled against BOWLING GREEN of all teams, and they're coming off of a 6-6 season. Who thought they needed to be ranked before the season started at all? And what have they done to earn their current #14 ranking? They beat another overrated SEC team in Tennessee, who was 5-7 last year and has done nothing of note this year. That's supposed to be impressive?

I get that everyone has a hard-on for the SEC, but neither of those teams should've be ranked so damn high.

What, in your opinion, is not good about Jeff Driskel.

Moreover, what has UF done to *not* deserve a ranking at this point? They rolled up 555 yds of offense on the road in Neyland stadium, they've outscored their two conference opponents 34-6 in two 2nd halves, Driskel is still learning but they've not turned the ball over in the past two games and scored 2 picks against Bray on Saturday.

Tennessee may not be a conference-winning team, but they're better than they've been in many years. A&M has a new freshman QB but the dude has a lot of natural talent.

Who else below them on the list has played harder road games, won, and consistently improved from week to week? Who really deserves to be ranked higher right now?


As a UF fan expecting a terrible, terrible season this year, THIS. Sure they haven't beaten any top 10 teams, but going on the road for your first two conference games, and displaying some impressive second half dominance has to count for something. I do thing they are rated a little high, but their upcoming game vs LSU should sort things right out. Their huge beatdown of Tennessee, AT Tennessee, no less, should at least prove that they belong in the top 20. And Driskel has gone from, "OMG WTF IS THIS ROUND OBJECT THEY KEEP HANDING ME" in game one, to "Ok, I have the round ball again, should I toss it to one of the guys running down the field before 15 seconds have elapsed?", in game two, to "Meh, unblocked blitz off the edge, let me casually find the open receiver and fire a strike down the field for a first down" in game 3. If he keeps this up he could well be a Heisman contender next year. Yeah, Ok, I'm getting too excited. But compared to the 6-7 sadness I was expecting this year, this has been a great start.
 
2012-09-17 09:24:14 AM

Sm3agol85: As a UF fan expecting a terrible, terrible season this year, THIS. Sure they haven't beaten any top 10 teams, but going on the road for your first two conference games, and displaying some impressive second half dominance has to count for something.


You're right. Florida is doing great right now. Congrats so far.
 
2012-09-17 10:11:16 AM
Slow To Return: Alabama has a weak schedule again this year.

When the schedule was made, Michigan was a lot higher, and Arkansas hadn't lost their coach and QB.

chuggernaught:SEC teams are talked up by ESPN (a business partern with the SEC).

It was just July when I saw ESPN announcers pick USC, Oklahoma, and Florida State to go to the National Championship. They were calling Alabama's team too young. I think their second love affair with USC was pretty short-lived this time. They'll be jumping back on their Ohio State bandwagon soon enough.
 
2012-09-17 11:25:19 AM
A suitable opponent for Alabama better show up soon. Nick's third stringers are getting tired running in TDs.
 
2012-09-17 11:34:04 AM

Kangaroo_Ralph: Slow To Return: Alabama has a weak schedule again this year.

When the schedule was made, Michigan was a lot higher, and Arkansas hadn't lost their coach and QB.


Yeah, I'm not entirely certain how that Arkansas win will hold up, but Michigan should do fine. The problem that Alabama and LSU have this year is that the SEC is extremely top-heavy. They're clearly awesome. Florida and Georgia might be good but are probably going to wet the bed at least once (and Alabama doesn't play either of them). USCe is going to put a classic Spurrier season where they go 9-3 or 10-2 with one decent win over Florida or Georgia and then a bunch of way to close wins over the dregs of the league. Outside of those teams, the rest of the conference ranges somewhere between mediocre and terrible. Auburn? Terrible. Kentucky? Terrible? Ole Miss and Vandy? Terrible. Arkansas might be good with Tyler Wilson, but he didn't give up 34 points to ULM and 52 to Bama.

That said, the big conferences in general are kind of awful this year. Assuming these teams all end up with one loss, Florida State's third best win will probably be Virginia Tech (lost to Pitt). Oregon's third-best win will be...Oregon State? Oklahoma's third-best win will be TCU, maybe.

The Big 12 looks the deepest, but they've compensated for the nine game conference schedule by loading up on patsies in the non-conference slate, so who knows how good they really are.

chuggernaught:SEC teams are talked up by ESPN (a business partern with the SEC).

It was just July when I saw ESPN announcers pick USC, Oklahoma, and Florida State to go to the National Championship. They were calling Alabama's team too young. I think their second love affair with USC was pretty short-lived this time. They'll be jumping back on their Ohio State bandwagon soon enough.


Yeah, I don't know how anybody can think ESPN are SEC homers. I certainly lost that illusion last year after they biatched about a potential LSU-Bama rematch after the first game then, the very next week after Oregon beat Stanford, started pumping up a potential Oregon-LSU rematch. ESPN will pump up any big-name team. God help us if Notre Dame gets to 9-0.
 
2012-09-17 11:37:01 AM

Mad Scientist: A suitable opponent for Alabama better show up soon. Nick's third stringers are getting tired running in TDs.


Kenyan Drake, Alabama's leading rusher against Arkansas, is the FIFTH-string running back. They also got 18 yards out of the sixth-string walk-on.
 
2012-09-17 12:09:11 PM
All this squabbling, and yet I'm sure that most of us agree that the whole problem is how important pre-season rankings are. Does college basketball put any credence into pre-season rankings? Does any other sport for that matter?

Now, Alabama played like a juggernaut (for once) in the NCG last season, which was convincing. However, someone mentioned them beating Top-25 Penn State last year. I watched that game; it was painful. Penn State didn't deserve to be Top 25 then, and proved it the entire rest of the season, staggering through their schedule to finish 2nd in their division and losing to Houston by a lot in the whatever bowl.

Alabama murdered "ranked" Arkansas (#21 USA Today) this weekend. Arkansas lost to UL-Monroe the week before, so this was no surprise whatsoever. So is this really a "ranked opponent" victory, a resume bullet? No. Please note that this is coming from a person that believes that there is only a race for #2 this year.

The pre-season rankings are horse sh*t. At least the BCS doesn't kick in until what, week 5 or 6? Of course, that's 2/3 comprised of the human polls, tainted by pre-season garbage.
 
2012-09-17 12:54:55 PM

Lee's_Austin: lacydog: If you don't think the SEC is overrated, then please enlighten me as to why Florida is ranked so high? They don't have a single good QB, they've struggled against BOWLING GREEN of all teams, and they're coming off of a 6-6 season. Who thought they needed to be ranked before the season started at all? And what have they done to earn their current #14 ranking? They beat another overrated SEC team in Tennessee, who was 5-7 last year and has done nothing of note this year. That's supposed to be impressive?

I get that everyone has a hard-on for the SEC, but neither of those teams should've be ranked so damn high.

What, in your opinion, is not good about Jeff Driskel.


+1. I'm a diehard Nole, but I thought before the year began that Florida would be a lot better than people thought. They've settled on a quarterback, have four years of legendary recruiting classes, and crazy speed. The fact that Driskell looks pretty good so far has me really worried about November 24th.
 
2012-09-17 01:05:32 PM

factoryconnection: All this squabbling, and yet I'm sure that most of us agree that the whole problem is how important pre-season rankings are. Does college basketball put any credence into pre-season rankings? Does any other sport for that matter?

Now, Alabama played like a juggernaut (for once) in the NCG last season, which was convincing. However, someone mentioned them beating Top-25 Penn State last year. I watched that game; it was painful. Penn State didn't deserve to be Top 25 then, and proved it the entire rest of the season, staggering through their schedule to finish 2nd in their division and losing to Houston by a lot in the whatever bowl.

Alabama murdered "ranked" Arkansas (#21 USA Today) this weekend. Arkansas lost to UL-Monroe the week before, so this was no surprise whatsoever. So is this really a "ranked opponent" victory, a resume bullet? No. Please note that this is coming from a person that believes that there is only a race for #2 this year.

The pre-season rankings are horse sh*t. At least the BCS doesn't kick in until what, week 5 or 6? Of course, that's 2/3 comprised of the human polls, tainted by pre-season garbage.


As everyone keeps saying all thread, if teams X and Y and Z don't deserve to be ranked, who DOES? You can't just drop teams from the rankings without replacing them.

/I agree that preseason rankings suck.
 
2012-09-17 01:16:04 PM

Mad Scientist: A suitable opponent for Alabama better show up soon. Nick's third stringers are getting tired running walking in TDs.


FTFY
 
2012-09-17 02:56:34 PM

Dafatone: As everyone keeps saying all thread, if teams X and Y and Z don't deserve to be ranked, who DOES? You can't just drop teams from the rankings without replacing them.


I hear you, and later in the season I totally agree. However it is difficult to answer the "replacement" question this early in the season, because of (IMHO) the same inherent weaknesses in assigning pre-season rankings.
 
2012-09-17 03:28:19 PM

steamingpile: I remember Utah supporters talking about how they can't keep them out now that they are in a BCS conference, that worked out really well for them


False comparison is false, we still need a college playoff.
/nice try though
 
2012-09-17 04:36:26 PM

Mentat: Your Average Witty Fark User: Stop me if you've heard this one: there's football on BOTH sides of the Mississippi river.

Of course there is.. Arkansas, Missouri, A&M and LSU.


Someone needs a map.

www.esri.com
 
2012-09-17 05:09:52 PM

Kurmudgeon: False comparison is false, we still need a college playoff.
/nice try though



Y'all really going to be pissed when 2 of the 4 teams in the playoff are still Alabama and LSU.
 
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