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(My San Antonio)   Remember sixteen years ago? I was 7, and I said that my four aunts violently sexually assaulting me at a Satanic party where they sat around naked, drunk, and smoking pot? Well, it didn't really happen, so can you let them out of prison?   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 265
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2012-09-16 11:29:10 AM  
Good luck getting the prosecutor to basically admit he deliberately railroaded 4 innocent people based on encouraging a minor to commit perjury.


You'll get over it
 
2012-09-16 11:35:40 AM  
this shiat happens a lot.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:11 AM  
On and off the witness stand, the sisters changed their accounts of the timing, the use of weapons, the perpetrators and other basic details of the assault every time they told it to authorities, records show.

...anyone looked into a previous rape allegation made by the girls...

...including on medical studies that show at the time of the examination of the girls and the trials, three of the signs she noted as sexual trauma were not classified as such. At most, the signs only could be deemed inconclusive because Kellogg didn't examine the girls until months after the reported crime.


This is mind boggling. How were they even convicted in the first place? If this isn't reasonable doubt, then what is?
 
2012-09-16 11:41:45 AM  

miss diminutive: This is mind boggling. How were they even convicted in the first place? If this isn't reasonable doubt, then what is?


People were all freaked out about "Satanic cults" back in the late 80's and into the 90's. It was the fad among law enforcement. I remember cops would hold these seminars for parents and would tell them what to look for in their teenagers as danger signs that they were "dabbling" in Satanism. It was just mind-blowingly stupid.
 
2012-09-16 11:47:13 AM  

Nabb1: miss diminutive: This is mind boggling. How were they even convicted in the first place? If this isn't reasonable doubt, then what is?

People were all freaked out about "Satanic cults" back in the late 80's and into the 90's. It was the fad among law enforcement. I remember cops would hold these seminars for parents and would tell them what to look for in their teenagers as danger signs that they were "dabbling" in Satanism. It was just mind-blowingly stupid.


Well I'm glad we've lumped any remaining Satanists in with the pathetically lame emo and goth subgroups.

Ahhh, progress.
 
2012-09-16 11:52:03 AM  
That particular "expert," Dr. Kellogg, is still used by the local prosecutor of every such child molestation case. Her reports are partly responsible for imprisoning thousands of such sexual predators, with a 99% accuracy rate. 98%? 90%? Well, at least 4 out of 5, ok?
 
2012-09-16 11:54:55 AM  

miss diminutive: because Kellogg didn't examine the girls


They're grrrrrrreat!
 
2012-09-16 11:56:06 AM  

One Bad Apple: Good luck getting the prosecutor to basically admit he deliberately railroaded 4 innocent people based on encouraging a minor to commit perjury.


You'll get over it


basically, yeah. if you get convicted and are innocent...well, best get busy living or get busying dyin'.
 
2012-09-16 11:56:33 AM  
I kind of hope this works, that way I can commit a bunch of crimes, pretend to be Christian, and get pardoned.
 
2012-09-16 12:04:23 PM  

Aarontology: I kind of hope this works, that way I can commit a bunch of crimes, pretend to be Christian, and get pardoned.


Yes that's exactly what happened. Go for it.
 
2012-09-16 12:08:30 PM  

quickdraw: Aarontology: I kind of hope this works, that way I can commit a bunch of crimes, pretend to be Christian, and get pardoned.

Yes that's exactly what happened. Go for it.


Glad I have your support.
 
2012-09-16 12:08:55 PM  
I hope they get exonerated quickly, their records expunged, and to win a very hefty lawsuit. One to where they would never have to worry about having to work again.

The people who railroaded them should face the same punishment as the wrongfully convicted and to be professorially repudiated.
 
2012-09-16 12:10:57 PM  
Get the innocent aunts out of prison and put the girl in their place. False accusations should be punished.

I was watching COPS the other day and they had a girl and her pimp. Apparently the girl had called the police to report that her "boyfriend" was controlling her by taking her keys, ID, money, etc. So they have them both in custody, and the girl starts to neg on her story.

So the cops ask her, "Are you saying that this guy is NOT the guy that you filed the report on?" And she says no. You can see what she's trying to do. She doesn't want to be responsible for getting her pimp in trouble. So the cops try some reverse psychology on her and start saying, "OK boys, let him go. He's not the guy." They apologized to the guy, and said they would return all his stuff to him. The officer holding the dude says, "Wait, didn't she just say 5 minutes ago that this was the guy?" The other cops were like, "Yep."

So the officer starts taking the handcuffs off him and says, "Then she's going to jail for filing a false police report." All this time they're trying to help this girl and are waiting for her to break, but she wouldn't. They let the guy go, give him everything he had in his pockets, and send him on his way. He starts saying, "Where are you taking her? I'll be there in an hour." They cops are saying the bail will be pretty high and the dude says, "That's all right, I got more stacks than you've ever seen."

The dumb biatch deserves everything she gets.
 
2012-09-16 12:11:29 PM  
Gay, hispanic satan worshippers: a Texas railroad trifecta.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:09 PM  
If they were innocent, they had nothing to worry about.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:20 PM  

loveblondieo: I hope they get exonerated quickly, their records expunged, and to win a very hefty lawsuit. One to where they would never have to worry about having to work again.

The people who railroaded them should face the same punishment as the wrongfully convicted and to be professorially repudiated.


lets face it though - even with the victim recanting their story it's unlikely that these people will get out of jail.
 
2012-09-16 12:14:54 PM  

Weaver95: loveblondieo: I hope they get exonerated quickly, their records expunged, and to win a very hefty lawsuit. One to where they would never have to worry about having to work again.

The people who railroaded them should face the same punishment as the wrongfully convicted and to be professorially repudiated.

lets face it though - even with the victim recanting their story it's unlikely that these people will get out of jail.


Yeah... in Texas? Not likely

/when you're convicted there, you stay convicted
 
2012-09-16 12:19:03 PM  

jaylectricity: Get the innocent aunts out of prison and put the girl in their place. False accusations should be punished.


They were 7 and 9 at the time.

I was watching COPS the other day...

That was your first mistake.
 
2012-09-16 12:23:07 PM  
And this is why I'll always vote "not guilty".... no matter what... if asked to serve on a jury.
 
2012-09-16 12:25:58 PM  

Hobodeluxe: this shiat happens a lot.



Avoid crotchfruits at all cost.
 
2012-09-16 12:26:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: loveblondieo: I hope they get exonerated quickly, their records expunged, and to win a very hefty lawsuit. One to where they would never have to worry about having to work again.

The people who railroaded them should face the same punishment as the wrongfully convicted and to be professorially repudiated.

lets face it though - even with the victim recanting their story it's unlikely that these people will get out of jail.

Yeah... in Texas? Not likely

/when you're convicted there, you stay convicted


Well, to be fair, most of the time in Texas when new evidence has been found showing someone was unfairly convicted, they were executed years before anyway so you can't release them anyway.
 
2012-09-16 12:26:41 PM  
What a nice family reunion that should be.

/with pitchforks
 
2012-09-16 12:28:50 PM  

downstairs: And this is why I'll always vote "not guilty".... no matter what... if asked to serve on a jury.


You seem very smart.
 
2012-09-16 12:28:50 PM  

TexasPeace: That particular "expert," Dr. Kellogg, is still used by the local prosecutor of every such child molestation case. Her reports are partly responsible for imprisoning thousands of such sexual predators, with a 99% accuracy rate. 98%? 90%? Well, at least 4 out of 5, ok?


As well as the writings of the late Patricia Pulling, who became a "Satanic Crimes Expert" after her son committed suicide when a curse was allegedly placed on his character in a game of D&D.
 
2012-09-16 12:30:16 PM  
"Hey I just realized, and this sounds crazy, that I may have perjured, so free my aunties maybe! "
 
2012-09-16 12:31:07 PM  
FTA: "I can't take back what I did, but if I could talk to all of them in one room I would just say I'm sorry. I'm sorry for ruining them."

Ohhh...I'm sure that will smooth things over alright.

/hope she gets sued
//loses everything
 
2012-09-16 12:33:16 PM  
held them by their wrists and ankles, repeatedly violated them, threatened to kill them and their families - then let them take a shower and go about their day.

christ on a cracker. If this had really happened, there would be many, obvious signs of sexual abuse. Yet no one even checked these girls out for months, and charged the women anyway? Who the fark could be so stupid?

pediatrician Nancy Kellogg, then as now the medical director of Child Safe, formerly the Alamo Children's Advocacy Center.

I wonder how much this spectacular case plumped up her budget?
 
2012-09-16 12:34:10 PM  
So the lesson is: whenever you see anyone under about 30, run the other direction.
 
2012-09-16 12:34:17 PM  
The bestest justice system in the world, folks.

Glad it only took her 16 years before she just couldn't take the grief anymore.
 
2012-09-16 12:34:43 PM  
Hispanic lesbians in my Texas? Unfair prosecution is more likely than you might think!
 
2012-09-16 12:35:21 PM  
For those of you who want to know more, here's an excellent book on the subject that your local library (might) have.
 
2012-09-16 12:35:53 PM  
Ha, Texas! Where a guy got the death penalty for, among other things, having Led Zeppelin posters on his wall.

(I know these stupid satanic hysteria convictions have happened all over the country, but I still can't believe that a guy was found guilty and executed on that evidence)
 
2012-09-16 12:37:12 PM  

henryhill: downstairs: And this is why I'll always vote "not guilty".... no matter what... if asked to serve on a jury.

You seem very smart.



I am.  I just have zero faith in the criminal justice system.
 
2012-09-16 12:38:15 PM  
Mental note... never go to Texas.
 
2012-09-16 12:40:40 PM  

you are a puppet: Ha, Texas! Where a guy got the death penalty for, among other things, having Led Zeppelin posters on his wall.

(I know these stupid satanic hysteria convictions have happened all over the country, but I still can't believe that a guy was found guilty and executed on that evidence)


Witch hunts never really went away, did they?
 
2012-09-16 12:40:53 PM  
I guess he finally learned that regret means
 
2012-09-16 12:40:55 PM  
My state needs a tag dammit.
 
2012-09-16 12:40:59 PM  
I'm working on a similar case for a state innocence project. Accusations of satanic rituals and ritualized sexual abuse. The guy was convicted back in 1988. When I started watching the taped testimony of the "victims" my first reaction was "this girl has been completely coached as to what to say." Then, as I'm going through more documents from the trial I find a letter from an expert saying that when he watched the tapes he thought the girls were coached, too.
 
2012-09-16 12:41:39 PM  
aaargh that what
 
2012-09-16 12:42:47 PM  

downstairs: And this is why I'll always vote "not guilty".... no matter what... if asked to serve on a jury.


I had jury duty a year and a half ago and the defense attorney basically suggested that to potential jurors during voir dire until the judge told him to stop it. And it was for a drug possession and burglary case. All I could think was that the attorney must have been very new or very desperate.
 
2012-09-16 12:43:37 PM  
This is why district attorneys should not be judged on how many cases they win or lose.

DNRTA, too often we are so quick to convict an accused.
 
2012-09-16 12:44:37 PM  

Nabb1: miss diminutive: This is mind boggling. How were they even convicted in the first place? If this isn't reasonable doubt, then what is?

People were all freaked out about "Satanic cults" back in the late 80's and into the 90's. It was the fad among law enforcement. I remember cops would hold these seminars for parents and would tell them what to look for in their teenagers as danger signs that they were "dabbling" in Satanism. It was just mind-blowingly stupid.


I remember this growing up in a small Mormon town. Somehow Dungeons and Dragons was a tool of the Devil.
 
2012-09-16 12:44:45 PM  
We have a pretty good system for the accused, when the accused is guilty.

We have a horrendous and shameful system for the accused, when the accused is innocent.

If you want to see how accurately a group of people (a jury) can determine what did or did not happen, just go to Reddit. Our criminal system is basically Reddit.
 
2012-09-16 12:45:17 PM  

miss diminutive: On and off the witness stand, the sisters changed their accounts of the timing, the use of weapons, the perpetrators and other basic details of the assault every time they told it to authorities, records show.

...anyone looked into a previous rape allegation made by the girls...

...including on medical studies that show at the time of the examination of the girls and the trials, three of the signs she noted as sexual trauma were not classified as such. At most, the signs only could be deemed inconclusive because Kellogg didn't examine the girls until months after the reported crime.

This is mind boggling. How were they even convicted in the first place? If this isn't reasonable doubt, then what is?


I wondered the same thing until I RTFA. 3 key points -
Texas
Lesbians
Spurned father of 'victims'.

Also, the media hysteria about satanic rituals at the time. TA DAAA!
Sh*t like this makes me stabby.
 
2012-09-16 12:45:20 PM  
So they showed pictures of the innocent ones, but not a picture of the human garbage responsible for ruining their lives?

Nice.
 
2012-09-16 12:45:34 PM  
Really? They haven't gotten through the backlog of these cases yet? The science behind "recovering repressed memories" and so on that all the cult shiat was based on was conclusively proved about as legally valid as a dowsing rod like 15 years ago.

portnoyd: Mental note... never go to Texas.


The biggest cultural buy-in to the satanist cult craze was actually in California and Washington. Political lean doesn't save you from crazy.
 
2012-09-16 12:45:43 PM  
Wikipedia actually has a pretty good article on the phenomenon.

It was really very chilling how a casual comment from a child's imagination could send innocent people to prison, often after prompting or leading questions from an eager prosecutor. This was also closely tied to the implantation of false memories, which were considered to be "repressed" and then "recalled" during therapy, then used as evidence.

The phenomenon had all the hallmarks of the play "The Crucible."
 
2012-09-16 12:46:37 PM  

Hobodeluxe: this shiat happens a lot.


Yup

And people give me weird looks when I tell them I don't support capital punishment
 
2012-09-16 12:46:40 PM  

offmymeds: FTA: "I can't take back what I did, but if I could talk to all of them in one room I would just say I'm sorry. I'm sorry for ruining them."

Ohhh...I'm sure that will smooth things over alright.

/hope she gets sued
//loses everything


Again, the girls were 7 and 9... the people responsible for the railroading, starting with that Dr. Kellogg character, should be the ones getting sued.
 
2012-09-16 12:47:18 PM  

Nabb1: miss diminutive: This is mind boggling. How were they even convicted in the first place? If this isn't reasonable doubt, then what is?

People were all freaked out about "Satanic cults" back in the late 80's and into the 90's. It was the fad among law enforcement. I remember cops would hold these seminars for parents and would tell them what to look for in their teenagers as danger signs that they were "dabbling" in Satanism. It was just mind-blowingly stupid.


Yes, it was. Especially when one of the signs of Satanism was owning this book:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
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