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(Baltimore Sun)   Don't panic, but seven people have died since an untreatable "superbug" was released at an NIH lab in Maryland. Paging Captain Trips, Captain Trips to the white courtesy phone   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 36
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2012-09-16 10:27:07 AM  
7 votes:

Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.


Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.
2012-09-16 09:16:01 AM  
7 votes:

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


And - every employer that requires attendance at work despite sickness should also be shot. Every single employee should have access to adequate health care and adequate paid sick leave.

My last two employers had an unwritten rules about utilizing sick and vacation leave. As a result, employees always went to the doctors for the slightest illness in hopes of shortening the length of illness.
2012-09-16 10:57:27 AM  
6 votes:

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!
2012-09-16 11:03:56 AM  
4 votes:
We should also be talking about widespread antibiotic use in livestock and its contribution to antibiotic resistance in humans.

Bacteria -- even the good gut microbiota -- develop antibiotic resistance in livestock. We eat the meat, which is often contaminated with gut microbiota, and the bugs carrying antibiotic resistance genes wind up in our gut. Through horizontal gene transfer, pathogenic bacteria can grab these genes. Even if we severely curtailed overprescription of antibiotics in humans, we still have rampant use of these broad-spectrum antibiotics in livestock and that's where a lot of the problems are coming from.
2012-09-16 08:41:49 AM  
4 votes:
For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.
2012-09-16 10:40:01 AM  
3 votes:
A lot of the time any respiratory ailment, even those caused by a virus or just allergies, can create a good environment for an opportunistic bacterial infection. Prescribing antibiotics for a viral illness can prevent that from happening. Not saying it's an altogether good practice, but it's not as stupid as it sounds.
2012-09-16 10:36:15 AM  
3 votes:

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.


fixed.
2012-09-16 10:28:00 AM  
3 votes:
Baby, can you dig your man?
2012-09-16 10:04:46 AM  
3 votes:

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.
2012-09-16 09:16:08 AM  
3 votes:

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?
2012-09-16 08:45:20 AM  
3 votes:
Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?
2012-09-16 11:09:36 AM  
2 votes:

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


You're part of the problem. The flu is caused by a virus, not a bacteria; antibiotics do fark all for it.

Also, just because your particular strain of the flu was severe, doesn't mean that everybody else is just faking it or confused about what they have. If anything, you're the one who seems hopelessly confused, since you don't seem to realize that, yes, there are multiple different varieties of flu with different severities that affect different people differently.
2012-09-16 11:09:23 AM  
2 votes:
Best.
Book.
Ever.*

*besides "IT"
2012-09-16 11:02:10 AM  
2 votes:
Cibola! Ci-bo-la!

Bumpty bumpty bump!

/my life for you
2012-09-16 10:54:18 AM  
2 votes:
You ain't no nice guy, Subby!

/M-o-o-n, that spells superflu
2012-09-16 09:22:04 AM  
2 votes:
The Secret of NIH.

hwalther.home.xs4all.nl 

SUPERBUG!
2012-09-16 01:09:28 PM  
1 votes:

Gobobo: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Yes, let's kill all of the doctors who diagnose a secondary infection.


If you have a productive cough with opaque sputum, which is not uncommon in the aftermath of a viral infection, you have a secondary infection. Some people still think 'derrrr, why I be taking antibiotics for the flu\cold', but that isn't really what you are being treated for at that point. The sentiments at the top of the thread are proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
2012-09-16 12:12:11 PM  
1 votes:
I'm not worried about Captain Trips, we're in the keystone world and don't have to worry about it.
2012-09-16 12:09:39 PM  
1 votes:
Knows a thing or two about the NIH....
1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-16 11:50:49 AM  
1 votes:

markfara: This thread needs more "Stand" references.


"M O O N" that spells Tom
2012-09-16 11:39:25 AM  
1 votes:
When the population gets out of hand, mother nature has a way of pruning us back.
2012-09-16 11:30:36 AM  
1 votes:
Don't go the hospital, it's full of sick people....and germs.
2012-09-16 11:29:41 AM  
1 votes:
This thread needs more "Stand" references.
2012-09-16 11:16:02 AM  
1 votes:

leftymcrighty: ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)

Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.


It's quite possible that the doctor prescribed an antiviral and the poster above simply called it an antibiotic. Let's not quibble over semantics, especially if you are going to be referring to a virus as a "life form".
2012-09-16 11:14:27 AM  
1 votes:

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Right, because it's the doctors just giving out antibiotics willy-nilly and not because you have someone screaming in your face that you need to give them drugs to get better, despite the fact that you explained to them that it won't do anything for a virus.

We actually recently learned in class how getting antibiotics and suddenly feeling better has almost become a learned behavior- People get sick and wait a few days to go see the doctor. For the normal immune system, it takes a few days to ramp up to fight off infection, so by the time you've seen the doctor and filled your prescription, your body has already begun to successfully fight back. Thus, they take antibiotic and immediately feel better the next day, despite it having made no actual difference.

Remember, correlation does not imply causation
2012-09-16 11:12:41 AM  
1 votes:
DamnYankees:
Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

Except that when you have a bad case of the flu, the antibiotics are there to keep you from getting a bacterial infection. If you're showing any signs of pneumonia at all, they're going to give you antibiotics.

A lot of times, when "the flu" is going around, it's really "the flu plus three or four other diseases," because the early infectees tend to come down with everything at once (weaker immune systems, et cetera), and those same people will infect other folks with most of those at the same time.
2012-09-16 11:11:56 AM  
1 votes:
FTFA: "He was the 19th patient at the hospital to contract an antibiotic-resistant strain of KPC, or Klebsiella pneumoniae. The outbreak stemmed from a single patient carrying the superbug who arrived at the hospital last summer."

Sensationalist subtard wins the easy green. 12 survivors > 7 Victims.
2012-09-16 11:09:58 AM  
1 votes:

ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)


Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.
2012-09-16 11:05:13 AM  
1 votes:

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.

that was my understanding as well. The flu makes you weak and susceptible to every bug you encounter so the antibiotics help your weakened immune system.. but I am not a doctor.


Yeah, a lot of people with COPD or chronic bronchitis need them as a prophylactic. Which is fine and a perfectly good use of them. It's the handing them out like candy for a run-of-the-mill viral infection that pisses me off.
2012-09-16 11:03:28 AM  
1 votes:
And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.
2012-09-16 11:01:31 AM  
1 votes:

BunkyBrewman: The kid got this "superbug" while in the Bethesda hospital?

wtf


Hospitals are full of sick people. Despite-- actually, because of-- the precautions, that's exactly where you'd expect a supervirus to thrive.

That said, if you need hospitalization, statistically its still far better to go than not.
2012-09-16 11:01:09 AM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.


There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)
2012-09-16 11:00:49 AM  
1 votes:
Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!
2012-09-16 10:53:37 AM  
1 votes:

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


that was my understanding as well. The flu makes you weak and susceptible to every bug you encounter so the antibiotics help your weakened immune system.. but I am not a doctor.
2012-09-16 10:01:10 AM  
1 votes:

Richard Saunders: microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?

A Chim-chim-cheroodiatrician?


encrypted-tbn1.google.com
2012-09-16 09:46:54 AM  
1 votes:

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


This needs to be repeated, repeatedly...
 
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