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(Baltimore Sun)   Don't panic, but seven people have died since an untreatable "superbug" was released at an NIH lab in Maryland. Paging Captain Trips, Captain Trips to the white courtesy phone   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 181
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2012-09-16 04:16:36 PM
For those of you criticizing the doctors who prescribe antibiotics for children with the flu, you and NOWmust realize the reason they do what they do...MOTHERS. When a mom barings her child into the doctor for a bad cold or the flu, they want something done...and NOW. They do not want to hear that they should take the child home and let the cold/flu run its course as there are no medicines that will cure the disease. So to pacify the mother, even though it will do no good, they prescribe so amoxicillin or some such so mom feels good and feels that she has helped her child. In reality, she has not helped but possibly just made that bug a bit more resistant to anything...which in reality her actions has hurt her child. She is generally not receptive to reality and will yell at the doctor if he doesn't give her some medicine for her child. To avoid all the crap from the mother, he just prescribes something to pacify her and get her out of the office with as little strife as possible. He tells her to give some tylenol for a fever, etc. that will really help and the antibiotic that will hopefully do no harm. This, gentlemen and ladies, is why your doctor prescribes antibiotics when they are not needed. Mothers DEMAND medicine and the doctor gives it.
 
2012-09-16 04:35:15 PM

coco ebert: Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.

You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!


Your immune system just needs to pull itself up by its bootstraps if it wants to be part of a body that earns its keep and produces enough wealth to be deserving of support such as food and shelter by The Market. All hail The Market!
 
2012-09-16 04:42:24 PM

Majick Thise: I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison


You're insane. I would willingly take the flu over bronchitis.
 
2012-09-16 04:45:41 PM

This text is now purple: Bonecrusher: Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still

For an infection to become fatal within 10 minutes, it would have to kill via the heat produced by the explosive reproduction rate of the colony.

Even if it directly attacked your heart or brain, it would take longer than 10 minutes to kill.

Also, a kill rate that fast drastically limits contagion rates.


virus released>virus detected in ventilation system>Nerve gas released, kills scientists/alarm sounds>campion gets family, who are infected via vent system already>campion leaves base. not a King screw up, but a reading comprehension screw up.
 
2012-09-16 05:07:44 PM
Elderberries have shown in studies that they can be quite effective against no less than eight strains of the flu virus. They may help in preventing some flu types from infecting cells that are still healthy. Clinical trials of elderberries show that they can cut 90% of many flu infections within a period of only three days. Participants in the same test given a placebo took six or seven days to recover. Elderberry is sold in Israel, where this study took place, as Sambucol, an herbal medicine that is patented for help in treating the symptoms of the flu.
 
2012-09-16 05:15:18 PM

gopher321: Nuke it from orbit, blah blah blah...


LOL
over in one
and thank you
:D
 
2012-09-16 05:19:42 PM

bhcompy: It's pretty much an awful idea to get surgery these days unless you're in tip top shape. My grandfather needs surgery to bore out some nerve channels in his spine, but the doctors said they severely recommend against it not because the surgery is risky but because there's a high chance of a MRSA infection being contracted at the hospital. He's otherwise healthy, but he's of advanced age, and the prognosis would be poor if he did contract MRSA


It's always tricky when you are in poor shape or elderly. A close friend of mine who was almost a surrogate father passed away a couple years back after knee surgery. He was 60, not in great shape and had one working kidney which had been transplanted about ten years earlier after both of his failed. His insurance wouldn't cover a night in the hospital and the doctors insisted he was fine. His family took him home to stay with them while he recovered and about 2 hours after getting back they went to the store and were gone for about 20 minutes. They came back to find him already dead from a heart attack. If your grandfather does go under the knife make sure somebody is there around him for about 24 hours with no breaks.
 
2012-09-16 05:28:26 PM

douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.


That was explained, the disease did a mutation before it left the base. There's also anecdotes of people who died while waiting on something to cook, whatever. IE: Boulder.
 
2012-09-16 05:30:28 PM
Yeah what Blaquecat said also.
 
2012-09-16 05:43:09 PM
OMG Were all gonna die!
 
2012-09-16 05:55:01 PM

dryknife: Elderberries have shown in studies that they can be quite effective against no less than eight strains of the flu virus. They may help in preventing some flu types from infecting cells that are still healthy. Clinical trials of elderberries show that they can cut 90% of many flu infections within a period of only three days. Participants in the same test given a placebo took six or seven days to recover. Elderberry is sold in Israel, where this study took place, as Sambucol, an herbal medicine that is patented for help in treating the symptoms of the flu.


Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
 
2012-09-16 05:57:57 PM
Some advice from someone who actually works in this field:
(a) antibiotics generally refer to medications that kill bacteria
(b) there are other medications that are effective against certain viruses (generally called antivirals)
(c) most common respiratory infections are viral but not flu, so giving antibiotics (or antivirals) for someone with the common cold is pretty much useless
(d) on the other hand, some people with flu get a bacterial infection on top (especially from Streptococcus pneumoniae or Staphylococcus aureus), so they can wind up being very sick and in fact needing antibiotics for that bacterial superinfection

Anyway, the "superbug" in the article refers to a bacteria that is resistant to most (although not every single) antibiotic. It can cause diseases including urinary tract infections, pneumonia and bacteremia (blood infections)... and, contrary to what some people said above, it can affect people with relatively normal immune systems (granted, people who are hospitalized for some serious illness, but with relatively intact immune systems).

To summarize.... The practice of medicine is complicated. And, if in doubt, wash your hands!
 
2012-09-16 05:59:16 PM

dryknife: Elderberries have shown in studies that they can be quite effective against no less than eight strains of the flu virus. They may help in preventing some flu types from infecting cells that are still healthy. Clinical trials of elderberries show that they can cut 90% of many flu infections within a period of only three days. Participants in the same test given a placebo took six or seven days to recover. Elderberry is sold in Israel, where this study took place, as Sambucol, an herbal medicine that is patented for help in treating the symptoms of the flu.


Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt like a case of the flu!
 
2012-09-16 06:30:35 PM
The problem with this misleading caption is...just like our lame stream media...it is misleading. Nothing was released by the NIH. It was identified by top men....top...men...
 
2012-09-16 07:17:16 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Sure, but the problem is there are countless strains of influenza and other virus', and any one could at any time mutate into something more virulent. I think you only get protected from maybe a dozen strains with a flu shot, and there are literally millions out there.


This is not entirely accurate. While there are many strains out there, many of them are variants of the same root strain, and therefore antibodies for one strain will be partially effective for the variants. Secondly, while many strains exist, it takes an active, infected population to sustain the virus. this is how vaccines work. They take the current active strains and vaccinate the population prior to flu season, strengthening the herd immunity to the strains currently spreading. They do not need to worry about strains that have not been seen in the wild, as there is little chance of those being caught or spread.
 
2012-09-16 07:24:28 PM

J. Frank Parnell: I bite my nails, which supposedly works the same way, and might also explain why i haven't been sick in so long. Getting exposed to low level virus' and bacteria bolsters your immune system for the stronger versions. It's the same principle flu vaccines work with.


This is incorrect in a few ways. First, vaccines work by exposing your immune system to either dead or attenuated versions of the virus, not low levels of the virus. Second, most viruses cannot survive exposed to the environment for very long. The idea that eating the crud under your fingernails contains enough pathogenic viruses to develop antibodies, while not enough to make you sick, does not really seem feasible (also, ingestion is not really the best way to introduce viruses into your system). If you were scraping your fingernails into the moist crevices of the floor of a hospital, then immediately injecting that sunstance into your bloood, you might have a more valid scenario.
 
2012-09-16 07:43:37 PM

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Badgers: I've seen this one.

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Is that woman the one who plays the evil mother in GoT?


No, that's Maxim Roy:

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You mean Lena Headey:

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2012-09-16 08:33:22 PM

MycroftHolmes: This is incorrect in a few ways. First, vaccines work by exposing your immune system to either dead or attenuated versions of the virus, not low levels of the virus. Second, most viruses cannot survive exposed to the environment for very long. The idea that eating the crud under your fingernails contains enough pathogenic viruses to develop antibodies, while not enough to make you sick, does not really seem feasible (also, ingestion is not really the best way to introduce viruses into your system). If you were scraping your fingernails into the moist crevices of the floor of a hospital, then immediately injecting that sunstance into your bloood, you might have a more valid scenario.


Alright, i'm just some kind of superhuman, then. Probably due to my RH negative blood. The loonies always said we had superior immune systems compared to the 'monkeybloods' but i never believed it until now.
 
2012-09-16 08:53:22 PM
Lena Headey? More like Headley Lamar.
 
2012-09-16 09:21:02 PM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

This. I once took an anti-biotic because I had a huge amount of swelling from a spider bite on my forehead. Just one of these horsepills and the swelling was completely gone by the next morning. I have to believe that these new pills have some sort of nuclear material in them.
 
2012-09-16 09:45:01 PM

FishStampede: A lot of the time any respiratory ailment, even those caused by a virus or just allergies, can create a good environment for an opportunistic bacterial infection. Prescribing antibiotics for a viral illness can prevent that from happening. Not saying it's an altogether good practice, but it's not as stupid as it sounds.


As someone who gets pneumonia any time a cold lasts longer than 4 days, I second this.

Yeah, I don't want to get some antibiotic resistant superbug. I also want to breathe. Guess which one wins?
 
2012-09-16 11:27:46 PM
So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.
 
2012-09-16 11:47:51 PM
dryknife

I guess I gotta read The Stand, cuz I was wondering what Jerry had to do with this too.

/death don't have no mercy
//in this land
///come to your house
////it won't take long
 
2012-09-17 12:10:13 AM

intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.


"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.
 
2012-09-17 12:23:18 AM
Checks the Article
KPC huh thank god It wasn't the Untreatable superbug I made for them
/that one causes cancer
 
2012-09-17 11:10:38 AM
 
2012-09-17 11:44:29 AM

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


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2012-09-18 12:57:59 AM

MrBallou: intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.

"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.



I've been suffering off and on from it for over a damn month now. And he gives me nothing to help, no advice, no medicine...
 
2012-09-18 11:25:11 AM

intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.


This comment confuses me. Are you upset that your doctor won't prescribe you a drug that won't fix your ailment? And how does him not unnecesarily prescribing a drug that won't help equate to him being money hungry?
 
2012-09-18 11:26:19 AM

intelligent comment below: MrBallou: intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.

"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.


I've been suffering off and on from it for over a damn month now. And he gives me nothing to help, no advice, no medicine...


Where is it that you live that there is only one doctor in town?
 
2012-09-18 11:28:04 AM

intelligent comment below: MrBallou: intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.

"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.


I've been suffering off and on from it for over a damn month now. And he gives me nothing to help, no advice, no medicine...


And by the by, the attitude expressed above is exactly why some doctors do overprescribe antibiotics.

'Screw you doc, give me something, you money grubber'

'But sir, your condition is not caused by an infection and won't respond to antibiotics'

'You money grubber, smart talking bastard, just give me the drugs.'
 
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