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(Baltimore Sun)   Don't panic, but seven people have died since an untreatable "superbug" was released at an NIH lab in Maryland. Paging Captain Trips, Captain Trips to the white courtesy phone   ( baltimoresun.com) divider line
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2012-09-16 12:28:59 PM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: meat0918: germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.

Why? People want cheap beef

Become a Vegetarian, or eat naturally raised meats. Better tastin and better for you trumps tasteless cheap crap


Going vegetarian is out, and when I can afford it, I do get local beef. I've just lowered my overall portion size.

Although one time, I swear the guy sold me 6 month old beef from his freezer, and said it would taste significantly different because it was "Grass fed".

Significantly different in this case meant rancid.
 
2012-09-16 12:33:25 PM  
Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.
 
2012-09-16 12:40:53 PM  
Jeebus Christo

You got one job. One lousy job.

Keep the damn door shut and you couldn't even do that.

Therefore, you need more government funding.

President Obama: "How much you want there big fellow?"

Starts thumbing through National Checkbook. Signs blank check.
 
2012-09-16 12:54:14 PM  

douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.


I am currently reading The Stand, so I'm getting a M-O-O-N out of these replies.
 
2012-09-16 12:54:42 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


For someone with 'tampon' in their user name, that's pretty goddamned funny!

/Your comment was pretty funny, too!
 
2012-09-16 12:56:39 PM  
Clemkadidlefark:

Jeebus Christo

You got one job. One lousy job.

Keep the damn door shut and you couldn't even do that.

Therefore, you need more government funding.

President Obama: "How much you want there big fellow?"

Starts thumbing through National Checkbook. Signs blank check.


And this, my friends, is an example of late-stage Wharrgarblrhea. A truly tragic disease where partisan talking points build up in the head to the point where they come spewing out at completely random moments.

Sadly, this does not seem to be a fatal disease. There's a lab where we study it a few tabs over.
 
2012-09-16 12:56:52 PM  
"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation." -England's Prince Phillip

Did that old guy die and I missed it?
 
2012-09-16 01:02:30 PM  
photo.goodreads.com
 
2012-09-16 01:05:47 PM  

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.


Not a doctor, but what a lot of people call antibiotics are antivirals. Also, depending on the nature of the viral infection, antibiotics can be given prophylactically to prevent a secondary infection. i have yet to meet a doctor that doesn't understand the difference between treatments for viral and bacterial infections. If people think they are getting prescribed anitbiotics for viral infections, either they don't understand the treatment, they don't understand the reasons, or they have an incopmetetent doctor. The latter is less likely.
 
2012-09-16 01:07:38 PM  
www.morrisonhotelgallery.com
 
2012-09-16 01:08:44 PM  

MycroftHolmes: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

Not a doctor, but what a lot of people call antibiotics are antivirals. Also, depending on the nature of the viral infection, antibiotics can be given prophylactically to prevent a secondary infection. i have yet to meet a doctor that doesn't understand the difference between treatments for viral and bacterial infections. If people think they are getting prescribed anitbiotics for viral infections, either they don't understand the treatment, they don't understand the reasons, or they have an incopmetetent doctor. The latter is less likely.


It's very likely in my case that I screwed up the terminology.
 
2012-09-16 01:09:28 PM  

Gobobo: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Yes, let's kill all of the doctors who diagnose a secondary infection.


If you have a productive cough with opaque sputum, which is not uncommon in the aftermath of a viral infection, you have a secondary infection. Some people still think 'derrrr, why I be taking antibiotics for the flu\cold', but that isn't really what you are being treated for at that point. The sentiments at the top of the thread are proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 
2012-09-16 01:13:02 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.

Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.


Well, you get partial protection if the new mutations come from an existing strain that you are vaccinated\resistant to. It is only when there is antigenic shift and a completely new strain comes out that people have zero defense (think H1N1)
 
2012-09-16 01:13:24 PM  

douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.


He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still
 
2012-09-16 01:16:12 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: It's sad that we have turned pickles into vinegarized corpses instead of healthy sources of good bacteria. That's why I make them. You know besides the fact the pickled cabbage leaves make a roast beef sandwich taste like heaven. Plus you poop well after eating these pickles.


I pickle a lot of stuff as well, sauerkraut, beets, kimchi, assorted veg, ginger. I hadn't seen these before, but their existence doesn't surprise me, they make a lot of sense. Less farting around than some of the alternatives- using a non-jar fermentation process or burping a jar regularly during fermentation. Thanks for the heads up- I think I'll get a couple.
 
2012-09-16 01:16:38 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: pivazena: What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?

They're the last people i'd trust to give an unbiased opinion on the matter. Especially after blatantly distorting information on swine flu cases.

I can only really speak from my own experience. Haven't been sick in 15 years (knock on wood), and everyone i know who gets flu shots gets sick annually.


oh wow.

/we are doomed.
 
2012-09-16 01:20:12 PM  
I better get my ass to Vegas
 
2012-09-16 01:24:20 PM  
This case was the first infection since January?

Where has the bug been hiding since January that it is still viable?
 
2012-09-16 01:33:18 PM  

Majick Thise: People say everything is the flu. People are stupid.


Yeah, influenza is bad news. I think I've had actual influenza twice in my life. Everything else has been good ole rhinovirus or a sinus infection. The major difference I remember from influenza is the the sore throat feels different, but the major difference is the weakness and the body ache. Rhinovirus doesn't make you feel like you've been beaten good and hard with rubber hoses. Plus, influenza doesn't last just three days.
 
2012-09-16 01:34:12 PM  

miss diminutive: Bontesla: vernonFL: The Secret of NIH.

SUPERBUG!

I loved that movie!

Same here! Bought it on DVD last year and still almost teared up when Nicodemus died.

/spoiler alert?


Oh my goodness! Nicodemus! Poor Nicodemus.

Ha. I wanted to name my first son Justin - but then I met too many real life bad Justin's.
 
2012-09-16 01:38:08 PM  
and I had hoped it was the "rage" virus...............
 
2012-09-16 01:39:01 PM  

sno man: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

This needs to be repeated, repeatedly...


And perhaps limit the amount of antibiotics given to the animals we invariably eat?
 
2012-09-16 01:40:34 PM  

piccolo: This case was the first infection since January?

Where has the bug been hiding since January that it is still viable?


Virus's can form coatings that make them last essentially forever (eventually there will be enough random damage that their RNA no longer works but that can take a hell of a long time). Anthrax in particular is good at doing this which is why it's relatively easy to weaponize, but it also means that there have been spontaneous outbreaks in areas that haven't had an outbreak in decades.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:45 PM  

office_despot: This text is now purple: Majick Thise: It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases.

Whooping cough made me wish I only had the flu. The flu doesn't last six weeks.

THIS. Even though antibiotics work on pertussis, the bacteria have already destroyed every respiratory cilia you have. And it takes 5-6 months to grow them back! Every time I went for a run I thought I was drowning.


The biatch is that by the time the symptoms become apparently not the flu, you're no longer actively ill. At this point, the antibiotics do nothing.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:46 PM  

Bonecrusher: Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still


For an infection to become fatal within 10 minutes, it would have to kill via the heat produced by the explosive reproduction rate of the colony.

Even if it directly attacked your heart or brain, it would take longer than 10 minutes to kill.

Also, a kill rate that fast drastically limits contagion rates.
 
2012-09-16 01:52:13 PM  

Bonecrusher: douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still


If a certain subset of the population was completely immune to it, who's to say there wasn't also some who were ridiculously susceptible?
 
2012-09-16 01:57:38 PM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Won't do any good as long as we allow massive immigration from countries where antibiotics are OTC medications.
 
2012-09-16 01:58:20 PM  

SDRR: Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!
I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!
TMI dude. TMI


He doesn't care. He's on dope.
 
2012-09-16 02:00:58 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


Why u no to change job?

i.imgur.com 

Deys dicks.
 
2012-09-16 02:05:48 PM  

ruinevil: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)


There are, yes - but for most of them they're only terribly effective if given in a pretty small window after you get the virus. Almost never happens, because you generally don't develop symptoms fast enough to feel hellish enough to get to a doctor in that amount of time. Plus tests, plus lalala by the time all that's gonna get done you're way past a few days since the original infection, probably even since you started feeling messed up - since most of us don't immediately book to the dr. the first time we sniffle.

While the anit-virals (some of them) can help with after the fact treatment, that's a long road. Pretty much why you never get them from your dr. when you are sick, because under any vaguely normal circumstances you're gonna get better naturally as fast or faster than the anti-virals working to kick it out. This is why you normally only see them in hospitals and in long-term severity cases - ones where the virus is not going away, or the patient is both compromised and observed enough that the onset is caught fast (i.e. pretty much only those already hospitalized.)

So... yeah in effect those pretty much not going to help any sort of normal virus issue as people in first world countries generally get them. At least not any faster than your immune system will do it anyway. And yes, the whole idea of forcing employees in that are sick is mentally retarded. Simple math and infection-passing modeling can show that to an 8 year old PDQ. Unfortunately, most MBA's do not regularly exhibit the intelligence of an 8 year old and demand you come in and give it to everyone anyway.
 
2012-09-16 02:12:06 PM  
I just got an urge to listen to some Blue Oyster Cult.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:12 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


Does your FARK handle have something to do about that unpleasant...period?
 
2012-09-16 02:34:33 PM  

Bontesla: And - every employer that requires attendance at work despite sickness should also be shot. Every single employee should have access to adequate health care and adequate paid sick leave.


Ironically, the worst people about sick leave are the doctors themselves.

Don't go to the hospital if you can help it.
 
2012-09-16 02:35:06 PM  
Well, at least Boulder is only a a few hours away. 8 days if I have to make it on foot I suppose.
 
2012-09-16 02:35:16 PM  

pivazena:
Fair enough, but you don't know how sick they'd get without the shot. Maybe you don't get the shot because you have a super immune system, you'd never need it. Maybe they get it because they always get sick and want to avoid a worse illness.


I get it because 1) it's free at my job, and 2) though I don't get sick often, my spouse has asthma(high risk population), and cannot get a flu shot due to an egg allergy, so my getting the shot is one less potential vector of infection he has to face.
 
2012-09-16 02:36:22 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


You've neve seen Trainspotting?
 
2012-09-16 02:36:39 PM  

Walker: Don't go the hospital, it's full of sick people....and germs.


There was another recent thread, I think regarding a hospital in the UK with something like this. I'll repeat the two things I said in there.

According to my (late) grandfather, "a hospital is no place for a sick person".

And if this kind of stuff keeps cropping up, I say burn the places to the ground and salt the ashes. None of this 'spreading it around' BS, nooo.

/never leaving my house again
//as long as it has internet at least
 
2012-09-16 02:38:08 PM  

wambu: Why u no to change job?

Deys dicks.


that was several years ago, it's gotten better since we unionized. Well every day is still counted against you but at least we have gotten a few more days before termination. 7 per rolling calendar year instead of three. I would have to change states to do any better and I don't make enough to move away. Old, fat and undereducated doesn't help much either..
 
2012-09-16 02:42:54 PM  
From Wikipedia:
"K. pneumoniae can cause the disease Klebsiella pneumonia. They cause destructive changes to human lungs inflammation and hemorrhage with cell death (necrosis) that sometimes produces a thick, bloody, mucoid sputum (currant jelly sputum). "

Ew. But currant jelly sputum might make a good punk band name
 
2012-09-16 02:45:21 PM  

maxheck: Clemkadidlefark:

Jeebus Christo

You got one job. One lousy job.

Keep the damn door shut and you couldn't even do that.

Therefore, you need more government funding.

President Obama: "How much you want there big fellow?"

Starts thumbing through National Checkbook. Signs blank check.

And this, my friends, is an example of late-stage Wharrgarblrhea. A truly tragic disease where partisan talking points build up in the head to the point where they come spewing out at completely random moments.

Sadly, this does not seem to be a fatal disease. There's a lab where we study it a few tabs over.


Believe me, nothing gets "studied" in that tab.
 
2012-09-16 02:46:32 PM  

the cake is a pie: Bonecrusher: douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still

If a certain subset of the population was completely immune to it, who's to say there wasn't also some who were ridiculously susceptible?


I always wondered if they gased the building to keep infected people from fleeing.
 
2012-09-16 02:49:11 PM  

Badgers: I've seen this one.

[i44.tinypic.com image 320x240]


Is that woman the one who plays the evil mother in GoT?
 
2012-09-16 02:53:10 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

you need to get the FACTS
 
2012-09-16 03:02:10 PM  
The one-size-fits-all no antibiotics for anyone attitude can put an otherwise healthy person like myself in the hospital. While most people don't need them most of the time, a past history of something nasty like rheumatic fever could very well turn a sniffle into serious without help. Hate that I always have to school the young PAs who'don't seem to know much nearly extinct diseases.
That and why did Larry have to die???
 
2012-09-16 03:04:55 PM  

Bonecrusher: I work with money 10 hours a day. Manage a convenience store. I do not once wash my hands during the day. Careful to rub my itchy nose or eye with back of hands. Change garbage (as long as I dont get anything visibly nasty on them; rarely wash afterward.) rarely even have a cold. Point being; you HAVE to expose your immune system to stuff or it'll become useless.


I bite my nails, which supposedly works the same way, and might also explain why i haven't been sick in so long. Getting exposed to low level virus' and bacteria bolsters your immune system for the stronger versions. It's the same principle flu vaccines work with.

MycroftHolmes: Well, you get partial protection if the new mutations come from an existing strain that you are vaccinated\resistant to. It is only when there is antigenic shift and a completely new strain comes out that people have zero defense


Sure, but the problem is there are countless strains of influenza and other virus', and any one could at any time mutate into something more virulent. I think you only get protected from maybe a dozen strains with a flu shot, and there are literally millions out there.
 
2012-09-16 03:08:10 PM  
I don't really have time to read this whole thread or TFA for that matter, but I recall seeing an alert regarding this "superbug" yesterday. FWIW, it seems to be largely media sensationalism, since those who contracted the bug and died of it were severely immunocompromised individuals; with immune system functioning below that of someone with full-blown AIDS and a CD4 count below 10; it seemed to be more on par with SCID.
 
2012-09-16 03:12:43 PM  
I have a kid that had both MRSA and C. diff before he was 6 months old. He's 13 now, and driving me crazy. His pediatrician said he was either extremely lucky, healthy, or a mutant waiting for instructions.
 
2012-09-16 03:19:35 PM  

leftymcrighty: ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)

Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.


Ahem.. antibacterials kill bacteria, antvirals kill viruses... And then we have azithromycin which is an anti reproductive. All of these are antibiotics (against life)

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-09-16 03:21:40 PM  
It's pretty much an awful idea to get surgery these days unless you're in tip top shape. My grandfather needs surgery to bore out some nerve channels in his spine, but the doctors said they severely recommend against it not because the surgery is risky but because there's a high chance of a MRSA infection being contracted at the hospital. He's otherwise healthy, but he's of advanced age, and the prognosis would be poor if he did contract MRSA
 
2012-09-16 03:26:08 PM  

kronicfeld: Baby, can you dig your man?


You sound black.

/gonna watch the miniseries now.
 
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