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(Baltimore Sun)   Don't panic, but seven people have died since an untreatable "superbug" was released at an NIH lab in Maryland. Paging Captain Trips, Captain Trips to the white courtesy phone   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 181
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2012-09-16 11:14:27 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Right, because it's the doctors just giving out antibiotics willy-nilly and not because you have someone screaming in your face that you need to give them drugs to get better, despite the fact that you explained to them that it won't do anything for a virus.

We actually recently learned in class how getting antibiotics and suddenly feeling better has almost become a learned behavior- People get sick and wait a few days to go see the doctor. For the normal immune system, it takes a few days to ramp up to fight off infection, so by the time you've seen the doctor and filled your prescription, your body has already begun to successfully fight back. Thus, they take antibiotic and immediately feel better the next day, despite it having made no actual difference.

Remember, correlation does not imply causation
 
2012-09-16 11:14:50 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.

Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.


Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat
 
2012-09-16 11:16:02 AM  

leftymcrighty: ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)

Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.


It's quite possible that the doctor prescribed an antiviral and the poster above simply called it an antibiotic. Let's not quibble over semantics, especially if you are going to be referring to a virus as a "life form".
 
2012-09-16 11:16:34 AM  

elvisaintdead: No sir, I don't like this happy crappy.


Now you know it works.

Any questions?
 
2012-09-16 11:16:55 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Only if I get to shoot the patients that demand antibiotics for their one day of runny nose.
 
2012-09-16 11:17:07 AM  

pivazena: Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat


Don't be so sure about that.
 
2012-09-16 11:23:52 AM  
A lot of these bugs survive at low levels in your environment, but can't get into your body easily.

For instance, you may have brain eating amoebae in your tapwater, but you can drink it your whole life; then when you use a netipot, you colonize your sinuses and wind up in the hospital....feeling indecisive...
 
2012-09-16 11:24:56 AM  

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


They already are colonized probably.
 
2012-09-16 11:25:01 AM  
I've seen this one.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-16 11:25:23 AM  
It's obvious subby wrote his thesis paper on superbuggery...
 
2012-09-16 11:26:47 AM  

Yakivegas: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Only if I get to shoot the patients that demand antibiotics for their one day of runny nose.


Have to side with this one here.

Don't worry though...just keep using that hand sanitizer and you'll never get sick.
 
2012-09-16 11:26:48 AM  

Elzar: It's obvious subby wrote his thesis paper on superbuggery...


So he attended a British public school?
 
2012-09-16 11:27:16 AM  
19 people in a year. All confined to the same hospital. PANIC!!!


Capt. Tripps, indeed.
 
2012-09-16 11:27:46 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: pivazena: Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat

Don't be so sure about that.


Ehhhh okay, but H1N1 was kind of an anomaly

from cdc.gov:

What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?

Preliminary data for the 2010-2011 influenza season indicate that influenza vaccine effectiveness was about 60% for all age groups combined, and that almost all influenza viruses isolated from study participants were well-matched to the vaccine strains (Unpublished CDC data). A randomized study (by Monto et al Adobe PDF file [137 KB, 8 pages]External Web Site Icon) looking at the 2007-2008 influenza season found trivalent inactivated vaccine (flu shot) protected 7 out of 10 people from influenza illness. Studies show that LAIV works about as well as the flu shot. The main study that led to the licensure of LAIV was one conducted in children that showed that LAIV protected up to 9 out of 10 children vaccinated against the flu. A recent meta-analysis of randomized clinical trials of LAIV in children found that 2 doses of LAIV in vaccine-naïve children prevented infection with 77% of antigenically similar viruses and 72% of all viruses regardless of antigenic similarity.
 
2012-09-16 11:29:41 AM  
This thread needs more "Stand" references.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:36 AM  
Don't go the hospital, it's full of sick people....and germs.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:40 AM  

MrBallou: For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.


Kid had a bone marrow transplant and contracted it as he basically had no immune system at that point. Still took 5 months before he lost the fight. I'm thinkin' healthy (even moderately) people need not worry.
 
2012-09-16 11:36:48 AM  

ginandbacon: Yeah, a lot of people with COPD or chronic bronchitis need them as a prophylactic


I've got to look into this. Was diagnosed with COPD 6 months ago & I get the flu every winter.
Thanks!
 
2012-09-16 11:36:52 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


I had the flu. The whole family did. Not sure what kind just that I thought I was going to die.

Just got my flu shot yesterday (as well as my Tdap). I passed out after the shot at Target, but it is worth it to avoid another 103.5 degree temp and all that comes with it.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:18 AM  

pivazena: What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?


They're the last people i'd trust to give an unbiased opinion on the matter. Especially after blatantly distorting information on swine flu cases.

I can only really speak from my own experience. Haven't been sick in 15 years (knock on wood), and everyone i know who gets flu shots gets sick annually.
 
2012-09-16 11:38:34 AM  

coco ebert: Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.

You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!


You can also choose to work somewhere else.
 
2012-09-16 11:39:14 AM  

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


MEI got antibiotics after my bout with the flu after i was better for two days, then started coughing up blood, but that was start of pnemonia.
 
2012-09-16 11:39:25 AM  
When the population gets out of hand, mother nature has a way of pruning us back.
 
2012-09-16 11:40:04 AM  

2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Right, because it's the doctors just giving out antibiotics willy-nilly and not because you have someone screaming in your face that you need to give them drugs to get better, despite the fact that you explained to them that it won't do anything for a virus.

We actually recently learned in class how getting antibiotics and suddenly feeling better has almost become a learned behavior- People get sick and wait a few days to go see the doctor. For the normal immune system, it takes a few days to ramp up to fight off infection, so by the time you've seen the doctor and filled your prescription, your body has already begun to successfully fight back. Thus, they take antibiotic and immediately feel better the next day, despite it having made no actual difference.

Remember, correlation does not imply causation


^So much THIS^
 
2012-09-16 11:40:12 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: pivazena: What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?

They're the last people i'd trust to give an unbiased opinion on the matter. Especially after blatantly distorting information on swine flu cases.

I can only really speak from my own experience. Haven't been sick in 15 years (knock on wood), and everyone i know who gets flu shots gets sick annually.


Fair enough, but you don't know how sick they'd get without the shot. Maybe you don't get the shot because you have a super immune system, you'd never need it. Maybe they get it because they always get sick and want to avoid a worse illness.
 
2012-09-16 11:40:30 AM  
Bonecrusher:
19 people in a year. All confined to the same hospital. PANIC!!!

Seven out of the nineteen dead, with modern medical treatment available. Even including the kid with the bad immune system, that's bad news. Not exactly PANIC, but well into the "let's keep a close eye on this one in case it becomes more transmissible and kills off a billion people."

(The 1918 Spanish Flu, which was a true pandemic, was only about half as lethal...)
 
2012-09-16 11:40:37 AM  
How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.
 
2012-09-16 11:43:15 AM  

germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.


Why? People want cheap beef
 
2012-09-16 11:48:01 AM  
I'm currently undergoing chemo,so I have to go to the hospital once a week for blood work.

I dread going to sit in the waiting area,they are nothing but germ incubators.

I did get very sick from there recently.
 
2012-09-16 11:48:30 AM  

pivazena: J. Frank Parnell: Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.

Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.

Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat


Every single time I got a flu shot I felt like hell for a few days after. Haven't gotten a flu shot in 15+ years. No flu either.

/CSB
I work with money 10 hours a day. Manage a convenience store. I do not once wash my hands during the day. Careful to rub my itchy nose or eye with back of hands. Change garbage (as long as I dont get anything visibly nasty on them; rarely wash afterward.) rarely even have a cold. Point being; you HAVE to expose your immune system to stuff or it'll become useless.

/friends and customers all get elbow bumps in greeting.
//money is nasty stuff
///end CSB
 
2012-09-16 11:48:32 AM  
Boompity boom
 
2012-09-16 11:50:49 AM  

markfara: This thread needs more "Stand" references.


"M O O N" that spells Tom
 
2012-09-16 11:51:55 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


I have been in your situation. During my sophomore year of high school (on Spring break no less), I was on the receiving end of mononucleosis and a resultant case of pneumonia. Imagine coughing so hard that you start coughing up blood clots that are like little caltrops in the back of your throat, and then having zero energy to do anything. I think I once slept 12 hours at a wack, waking up to cough absurdly hard over the bed and then going back to sleep.

I can easily see why old people can die of pneumonia. In combination with mono it was absolutely shiatty.
 
2012-09-16 11:52:38 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: "No! The white phone"


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-16 11:53:02 AM  
Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name.

http://sharetv.org/images/the_stand/cast/large/randall_flagg.jpg
 
2012-09-16 11:53:31 AM  

cirby: Bonecrusher:
19 people in a year. All confined to the same hospital. PANIC!!!

Seven out of the nineteen dead, with modern medical treatment available. Even including the kid with the bad immune system, that's bad news. Not exactly PANIC, but well into the "let's keep a close eye on this one in case it becomes more transmissible and kills off a billion people."

(The 1918 Spanish Flu, which was a true pandemic, was only about half as lethal...)


Any cases outside this hospital (other than the initial carrier)?
 
2012-09-16 11:56:50 AM  

germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.


Not to mention antibiotics in water we drink.

/just sayin'
 
2012-09-16 11:58:11 AM  

meat0918: germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.

Why? People want cheap beef


Become a Vegetarian, or eat naturally raised meats. Better tastin and better for you trumps tasteless cheap crap
 
2012-09-16 11:59:06 AM  

StickyBunBandit: I'm currently undergoing chemo,so I have to go to the hospital once a week for blood work.

I dread going to sit in the waiting area,they are nothing but germ incubators.

I did get very sick from there recently.


Wear a breathing mask.
 
2012-09-16 12:01:15 PM  

jaybeezey: coco ebert: Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

[...] Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.
[...]
You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!

You can also choose to work somewhere else.


That assumes anybody is hiring. I, on the other hand, might suggest that in a case like this the best solution is to be a good employee and go to work no matter how sick you are.

Make sure you take time to shake your boss' hand and thank them for being so awesome while you're at it. Maybe offer to make them a sandwich or fetch their coffee.
 
2012-09-16 12:01:52 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


TMI dude. TMI
 
2012-09-16 12:04:58 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


Do you realize that there are tons of different strains of flu that present differently?
 
2012-09-16 12:09:39 PM  
Knows a thing or two about the NIH....
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 12:11:37 PM  

This text is now purple: Majick Thise: It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases.

Whooping cough made me wish I only had the flu. The flu doesn't last six weeks.


THIS. Even though antibiotics work on pertussis, the bacteria have already destroyed every respiratory cilia you have. And it takes 5-6 months to grow them back! Every time I went for a run I thought I was drowning.

Pneumonia also sucks. I had one that antibiotics would work on, if I could take antibiotics. FOUR MONTH recovery time without antibiotics, peeps. Talk about a displeased boss!

So, regarding TFA, is this the same hospital/bug that replaced its plumbing trying to get rid of a bug? IIRC they were genotyping the soap scum trying to figure out how it was getting around in spite of clean procedures.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:11 PM  
I'm not worried about Captain Trips, we're in the keystone world and don't have to worry about it.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:13 PM  
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here when I say that we should evacuate the building and burn it to the ground.
 
2012-09-16 12:20:00 PM  

unicron702: we're in the keystone world and don't have to worry about it.


You seem very sure of that...
 
2012-09-16 12:25:41 PM  

SurfaceTension: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Hey, now, my chimney might be stuffed up, but Imma use a chimney sweep like any good homeowner.
 
2012-09-16 12:25:44 PM  
At least our powers that be would never do something profoundly idiotic like move an deadly-animal-pathogen research lab to the middle of cattle country. Oh, wait...
 
2012-09-16 12:28:38 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


Yup! In my 50 years I've only had the flu twice. I'd rather take a beating than go through that shiat again!
 
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