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2012-09-16 08:25:35 AM  
Nuke it from orbit, blah blah blah...
 
2012-09-16 08:29:54 AM  
"No! The white phone"
 
2012-09-16 08:36:18 AM  
No sir, I don't like this happy crappy.
 
2012-09-16 08:41:49 AM  
For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.
 
2012-09-16 08:45:20 AM  
Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?
 
2012-09-16 08:48:05 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

 
2012-09-16 09:11:18 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


earaches and sore throats seem to be more common "reasons" indicative to this problem, but I agree with your sentiment entirely.
 
2012-09-16 09:16:01 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


And - every employer that requires attendance at work despite sickness should also be shot. Every single employee should have access to adequate health care and adequate paid sick leave.

My last two employers had an unwritten rules about utilizing sick and vacation leave. As a result, employees always went to the doctors for the slightest illness in hopes of shortening the length of illness.
 
2012-09-16 09:16:08 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?
 
2012-09-16 09:16:16 AM  
The kid got this "superbug" while in the Bethesda hospital?

wtf
 
2012-09-16 09:22:04 AM  
The Secret of NIH.

hwalther.home.xs4all.nl 

SUPERBUG!
 
2012-09-16 09:36:28 AM  

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


*grumble grumble*

An edit feature would be really nice.
 
2012-09-16 09:46:10 AM  

vernonFL: The Secret of NIH.

SUPERBUG!


I loved that movie!
 
2012-09-16 09:46:54 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


This needs to be repeated, repeatedly...
 
2012-09-16 09:53:10 AM  

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


A Chim-chim-cheroodiatrician?
 
2012-09-16 10:01:10 AM  

Richard Saunders: microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?

A Chim-chim-cheroodiatrician?


encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-09-16 10:04:46 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.
 
2012-09-16 10:27:07 AM  

Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.


Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.
 
2012-09-16 10:28:00 AM  
Baby, can you dig your man?
 
2012-09-16 10:36:15 AM  

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.


fixed.
 
2012-09-16 10:39:16 AM  

SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.


Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.
 
2012-09-16 10:40:01 AM  
A lot of the time any respiratory ailment, even those caused by a virus or just allergies, can create a good environment for an opportunistic bacterial infection. Prescribing antibiotics for a viral illness can prevent that from happening. Not saying it's an altogether good practice, but it's not as stupid as it sounds.
 
2012-09-16 10:53:37 AM  

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


that was my understanding as well. The flu makes you weak and susceptible to every bug you encounter so the antibiotics help your weakened immune system.. but I am not a doctor.
 
2012-09-16 10:54:18 AM  
You ain't no nice guy, Subby!

/M-o-o-n, that spells superflu
 
2012-09-16 10:57:27 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!
 
2012-09-16 10:59:25 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


So, the Flu is the Pit Bull/AK-47 of viruses.
 
2012-09-16 11:00:49 AM  
Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!
 
2012-09-16 11:01:09 AM  

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.


There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)
 
2012-09-16 11:01:31 AM  

BunkyBrewman: The kid got this "superbug" while in the Bethesda hospital?

wtf


Hospitals are full of sick people. Despite-- actually, because of-- the precautions, that's exactly where you'd expect a supervirus to thrive.

That said, if you need hospitalization, statistically its still far better to go than not.
 
2012-09-16 11:02:10 AM  
Cibola! Ci-bo-la!

Bumpty bumpty bump!

/my life for you
 
2012-09-16 11:02:23 AM  

Majick Thise: It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases.


Whooping cough made me wish I only had the flu. The flu doesn't last six weeks.

That said, it's generally hard to tell what is and is not the flu. It has about the least specific set of symptoms ever.
 
2012-09-16 11:02:32 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Yes, let's kill all of the doctors who diagnose a secondary infection.
 
2012-09-16 11:03:26 AM  

MrBallou: For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.


Yep. I'm in the Clinical Center (B10) quite often and it is absolutely gigantic. If only 7 people out of the thousands of terminally ill people in that building are sick from this, it's either pretty bad at spreading itself or the staff is doing a phenomenal job of keeping it contained. I'd bet a little of both.
 
2012-09-16 11:03:28 AM  
And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.
 
2012-09-16 11:03:56 AM  
We should also be talking about widespread antibiotic use in livestock and its contribution to antibiotic resistance in humans.

Bacteria -- even the good gut microbiota -- develop antibiotic resistance in livestock. We eat the meat, which is often contaminated with gut microbiota, and the bugs carrying antibiotic resistance genes wind up in our gut. Through horizontal gene transfer, pathogenic bacteria can grab these genes. Even if we severely curtailed overprescription of antibiotics in humans, we still have rampant use of these broad-spectrum antibiotics in livestock and that's where a lot of the problems are coming from.
 
2012-09-16 11:05:13 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.

that was my understanding as well. The flu makes you weak and susceptible to every bug you encounter so the antibiotics help your weakened immune system.. but I am not a doctor.


Yeah, a lot of people with COPD or chronic bronchitis need them as a prophylactic. Which is fine and a perfectly good use of them. It's the handing them out like candy for a run-of-the-mill viral infection that pisses me off.
 
2012-09-16 11:08:38 AM  

fragMasterFlash: You ain't no nice guy, Subby!

/M-o-o-n, that spells superflu


dammit, you beat me to the M-O-O-N comment. M-O-O-N spells disappointment.
 
2012-09-16 11:09:23 AM  
Best.
Book.
Ever.*

*besides "IT"
 
2012-09-16 11:09:36 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


You're part of the problem. The flu is caused by a virus, not a bacteria; antibiotics do fark all for it.

Also, just because your particular strain of the flu was severe, doesn't mean that everybody else is just faking it or confused about what they have. If anything, you're the one who seems hopelessly confused, since you don't seem to realize that, yes, there are multiple different varieties of flu with different severities that affect different people differently.
 
2012-09-16 11:09:49 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


You might want to read up on Klebisella Pneumoniae. It wasn't overuse of antibiotics that got this bug to this point. The little bastard is the evolutionary equivilant of the little engine that could.
 
2012-09-16 11:09:58 AM  

ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)


Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:18 AM  

pivazena: We should also be talking about widespread antibiotic use in livestock and its contribution to antibiotic resistance in humans.

Bacteria -- even the good gut microbiota -- develop antibiotic resistance in livestock. We eat the meat, which is often contaminated with gut microbiota, and the bugs carrying antibiotic resistance genes wind up in our gut. Through horizontal gene transfer, pathogenic bacteria can grab these genes. Even if we severely curtailed overprescription of antibiotics in humans, we still have rampant use of these broad-spectrum antibiotics in livestock and that's where a lot of the problems are coming from.


I have two batches of lacto-fermented pickles brewing as I type this. I use the Perfect Pickler--it's basically a brewing airlock stuck in a plastic lid with a rubber seal on the lid.. Makes a sealed pickling environment that vents out produced gasses. 1 round Tablespoon of Coarse Sea Salt per 2 cups of non-chlorinated water in a quart wide mouth canning jar.

One batch is sour dill pickles--peppercorns, dill seed and garlic. The other batch is cabbage leaves, carrot slices and onion rings with 2 teaspoons of Kroger pickling spice mix (it has cinnamon in the mix so don't use it for kosher dills).

The bacteria in these pickles are amazing. The aroma of the pickles is strong and sour but they don't smell like spoilage.

It's sad that we have turned pickles into vinegarized corpses instead of healthy sources of good bacteria. That's why I make them. You know besides the fact the pickled cabbage leaves make a roast beef sandwich taste like heaven. Plus you poop well after eating these pickles.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:37 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Even if the doctors prescribe them properly, the patient has to take the full course. The jackholes who stop taking the antibiotics because they "feel better" should be first against the wall.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:37 AM  

Bontesla: vernonFL: The Secret of NIH.

SUPERBUG!

I loved that movie!


Same here! Bought it on DVD last year and still almost teared up when Nicodemus died.

/spoiler alert?
 
2012-09-16 11:11:04 AM  
Yeah subby, those eeevil or careless scientists just had vials of the stuff sitting on a shelf, waiting for the proper moment, then WHAM, released it on an unsuspecting patient population.

tard
 
2012-09-16 11:11:56 AM  
FTFA: "He was the 19th patient at the hospital to contract an antibiotic-resistant strain of KPC, or Klebsiella pneumoniae. The outbreak stemmed from a single patient carrying the superbug who arrived at the hospital last summer."

Sensationalist subtard wins the easy green. 12 survivors > 7 Victims.
 
2012-09-16 11:12:13 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.


Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.
 
2012-09-16 11:12:41 AM  
DamnYankees:
Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

Except that when you have a bad case of the flu, the antibiotics are there to keep you from getting a bacterial infection. If you're showing any signs of pneumonia at all, they're going to give you antibiotics.

A lot of times, when "the flu" is going around, it's really "the flu plus three or four other diseases," because the early infectees tend to come down with everything at once (weaker immune systems, et cetera), and those same people will infect other folks with most of those at the same time.
 
2012-09-16 11:13:34 AM  

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


2.bp.blogspot.com

Not a bricklayer.
 
2012-09-16 11:14:02 AM  
MacEnvy:

Yep. I'm in the Clinical Center (B10) quite often and it is absolutely gigantic. If only 7 people out of the thousands of terminally ill people in that building are sick from this, it's either pretty bad at spreading itself or the staff is doing a phenomenal job of keeping it contained. I'd bet a little of both.

Before they remodeled it in the mid-90's it had a huge black granite atrium in the old building... My nickname for the CC is Barad-dûr.
 
2012-09-16 11:14:27 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Right, because it's the doctors just giving out antibiotics willy-nilly and not because you have someone screaming in your face that you need to give them drugs to get better, despite the fact that you explained to them that it won't do anything for a virus.

We actually recently learned in class how getting antibiotics and suddenly feeling better has almost become a learned behavior- People get sick and wait a few days to go see the doctor. For the normal immune system, it takes a few days to ramp up to fight off infection, so by the time you've seen the doctor and filled your prescription, your body has already begun to successfully fight back. Thus, they take antibiotic and immediately feel better the next day, despite it having made no actual difference.

Remember, correlation does not imply causation
 
2012-09-16 11:14:50 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.

Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.


Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat
 
2012-09-16 11:16:02 AM  

leftymcrighty: ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)

Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.


It's quite possible that the doctor prescribed an antiviral and the poster above simply called it an antibiotic. Let's not quibble over semantics, especially if you are going to be referring to a virus as a "life form".
 
2012-09-16 11:16:34 AM  

elvisaintdead: No sir, I don't like this happy crappy.


Now you know it works.

Any questions?
 
2012-09-16 11:16:55 AM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Only if I get to shoot the patients that demand antibiotics for their one day of runny nose.
 
2012-09-16 11:17:07 AM  

pivazena: Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat


Don't be so sure about that.
 
2012-09-16 11:23:52 AM  
A lot of these bugs survive at low levels in your environment, but can't get into your body easily.

For instance, you may have brain eating amoebae in your tapwater, but you can drink it your whole life; then when you use a netipot, you colonize your sinuses and wind up in the hospital....feeling indecisive...
 
2012-09-16 11:24:56 AM  

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


They already are colonized probably.
 
2012-09-16 11:25:01 AM  
I've seen this one.

i44.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-16 11:25:23 AM  
It's obvious subby wrote his thesis paper on superbuggery...
 
2012-09-16 11:26:47 AM  

Yakivegas: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Only if I get to shoot the patients that demand antibiotics for their one day of runny nose.


Have to side with this one here.

Don't worry though...just keep using that hand sanitizer and you'll never get sick.
 
2012-09-16 11:26:48 AM  

Elzar: It's obvious subby wrote his thesis paper on superbuggery...


So he attended a British public school?
 
2012-09-16 11:27:16 AM  
19 people in a year. All confined to the same hospital. PANIC!!!


Capt. Tripps, indeed.
 
2012-09-16 11:27:46 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: pivazena: Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat

Don't be so sure about that.


Ehhhh okay, but H1N1 was kind of an anomaly

from cdc.gov:

What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?

Preliminary data for the 2010-2011 influenza season indicate that influenza vaccine effectiveness was about 60% for all age groups combined, and that almost all influenza viruses isolated from study participants were well-matched to the vaccine strains (Unpublished CDC data). A randomized study (by Monto et al Adobe PDF file [137 KB, 8 pages]External Web Site Icon) looking at the 2007-2008 influenza season found trivalent inactivated vaccine (flu shot) protected 7 out of 10 people from influenza illness. Studies show that LAIV works about as well as the flu shot. The main study that led to the licensure of LAIV was one conducted in children that showed that LAIV protected up to 9 out of 10 children vaccinated against the flu. A recent meta-analysis of randomized clinical trials of LAIV in children found that 2 doses of LAIV in vaccine-naïve children prevented infection with 77% of antigenically similar viruses and 72% of all viruses regardless of antigenic similarity.
 
2012-09-16 11:29:41 AM  
This thread needs more "Stand" references.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:36 AM  
Don't go the hospital, it's full of sick people....and germs.
 
2012-09-16 11:30:40 AM  

MrBallou: For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.


Kid had a bone marrow transplant and contracted it as he basically had no immune system at that point. Still took 5 months before he lost the fight. I'm thinkin' healthy (even moderately) people need not worry.
 
2012-09-16 11:36:48 AM  

ginandbacon: Yeah, a lot of people with COPD or chronic bronchitis need them as a prophylactic


I've got to look into this. Was diagnosed with COPD 6 months ago & I get the flu every winter.
Thanks!
 
2012-09-16 11:36:52 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


I had the flu. The whole family did. Not sure what kind just that I thought I was going to die.

Just got my flu shot yesterday (as well as my Tdap). I passed out after the shot at Target, but it is worth it to avoid another 103.5 degree temp and all that comes with it.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:18 AM  

pivazena: What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?


They're the last people i'd trust to give an unbiased opinion on the matter. Especially after blatantly distorting information on swine flu cases.

I can only really speak from my own experience. Haven't been sick in 15 years (knock on wood), and everyone i know who gets flu shots gets sick annually.
 
2012-09-16 11:38:34 AM  

coco ebert: Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.

You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!


You can also choose to work somewhere else.
 
2012-09-16 11:39:14 AM  

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


MEI got antibiotics after my bout with the flu after i was better for two days, then started coughing up blood, but that was start of pnemonia.
 
2012-09-16 11:39:25 AM  
When the population gets out of hand, mother nature has a way of pruning us back.
 
2012-09-16 11:40:04 AM  

2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Right, because it's the doctors just giving out antibiotics willy-nilly and not because you have someone screaming in your face that you need to give them drugs to get better, despite the fact that you explained to them that it won't do anything for a virus.

We actually recently learned in class how getting antibiotics and suddenly feeling better has almost become a learned behavior- People get sick and wait a few days to go see the doctor. For the normal immune system, it takes a few days to ramp up to fight off infection, so by the time you've seen the doctor and filled your prescription, your body has already begun to successfully fight back. Thus, they take antibiotic and immediately feel better the next day, despite it having made no actual difference.

Remember, correlation does not imply causation


^So much THIS^
 
2012-09-16 11:40:12 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: pivazena: What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?

They're the last people i'd trust to give an unbiased opinion on the matter. Especially after blatantly distorting information on swine flu cases.

I can only really speak from my own experience. Haven't been sick in 15 years (knock on wood), and everyone i know who gets flu shots gets sick annually.


Fair enough, but you don't know how sick they'd get without the shot. Maybe you don't get the shot because you have a super immune system, you'd never need it. Maybe they get it because they always get sick and want to avoid a worse illness.
 
2012-09-16 11:40:30 AM  
Bonecrusher:
19 people in a year. All confined to the same hospital. PANIC!!!

Seven out of the nineteen dead, with modern medical treatment available. Even including the kid with the bad immune system, that's bad news. Not exactly PANIC, but well into the "let's keep a close eye on this one in case it becomes more transmissible and kills off a billion people."

(The 1918 Spanish Flu, which was a true pandemic, was only about half as lethal...)
 
2012-09-16 11:40:37 AM  
How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.
 
2012-09-16 11:43:15 AM  

germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.


Why? People want cheap beef
 
2012-09-16 11:48:01 AM  
I'm currently undergoing chemo,so I have to go to the hospital once a week for blood work.

I dread going to sit in the waiting area,they are nothing but germ incubators.

I did get very sick from there recently.
 
2012-09-16 11:48:30 AM  

pivazena: J. Frank Parnell: Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.

Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.

Though if you get your flu shot, you are less likely to be hospitalized for the flu, and thus won't be exposed (or will be less likely to be exposed) to this shiat


Every single time I got a flu shot I felt like hell for a few days after. Haven't gotten a flu shot in 15+ years. No flu either.

/CSB
I work with money 10 hours a day. Manage a convenience store. I do not once wash my hands during the day. Careful to rub my itchy nose or eye with back of hands. Change garbage (as long as I dont get anything visibly nasty on them; rarely wash afterward.) rarely even have a cold. Point being; you HAVE to expose your immune system to stuff or it'll become useless.

/friends and customers all get elbow bumps in greeting.
//money is nasty stuff
///end CSB
 
2012-09-16 11:48:32 AM  
Boompity boom
 
2012-09-16 11:50:49 AM  

markfara: This thread needs more "Stand" references.


"M O O N" that spells Tom
 
2012-09-16 11:51:55 AM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


I have been in your situation. During my sophomore year of high school (on Spring break no less), I was on the receiving end of mononucleosis and a resultant case of pneumonia. Imagine coughing so hard that you start coughing up blood clots that are like little caltrops in the back of your throat, and then having zero energy to do anything. I think I once slept 12 hours at a wack, waking up to cough absurdly hard over the bed and then going back to sleep.

I can easily see why old people can die of pneumonia. In combination with mono it was absolutely shiatty.
 
2012-09-16 11:52:38 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: "No! The white phone"


i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-16 11:53:02 AM  
Pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name.

http://sharetv.org/images/the_stand/cast/large/randall_flagg.jpg
 
2012-09-16 11:53:31 AM  

cirby: Bonecrusher:
19 people in a year. All confined to the same hospital. PANIC!!!

Seven out of the nineteen dead, with modern medical treatment available. Even including the kid with the bad immune system, that's bad news. Not exactly PANIC, but well into the "let's keep a close eye on this one in case it becomes more transmissible and kills off a billion people."

(The 1918 Spanish Flu, which was a true pandemic, was only about half as lethal...)


Any cases outside this hospital (other than the initial carrier)?
 
2012-09-16 11:56:50 AM  

germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.


Not to mention antibiotics in water we drink.

/just sayin'
 
2012-09-16 11:58:11 AM  

meat0918: germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.

Why? People want cheap beef


Become a Vegetarian, or eat naturally raised meats. Better tastin and better for you trumps tasteless cheap crap
 
2012-09-16 11:59:06 AM  

StickyBunBandit: I'm currently undergoing chemo,so I have to go to the hospital once a week for blood work.

I dread going to sit in the waiting area,they are nothing but germ incubators.

I did get very sick from there recently.


Wear a breathing mask.
 
2012-09-16 12:01:15 PM  

jaybeezey: coco ebert: Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

[...] Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.
[...]
You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!

You can also choose to work somewhere else.


That assumes anybody is hiring. I, on the other hand, might suggest that in a case like this the best solution is to be a good employee and go to work no matter how sick you are.

Make sure you take time to shake your boss' hand and thank them for being so awesome while you're at it. Maybe offer to make them a sandwich or fetch their coffee.
 
2012-09-16 12:01:52 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


TMI dude. TMI
 
2012-09-16 12:04:58 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


Do you realize that there are tons of different strains of flu that present differently?
 
2012-09-16 12:09:39 PM  
Knows a thing or two about the NIH....
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 12:11:37 PM  

This text is now purple: Majick Thise: It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases.

Whooping cough made me wish I only had the flu. The flu doesn't last six weeks.


THIS. Even though antibiotics work on pertussis, the bacteria have already destroyed every respiratory cilia you have. And it takes 5-6 months to grow them back! Every time I went for a run I thought I was drowning.

Pneumonia also sucks. I had one that antibiotics would work on, if I could take antibiotics. FOUR MONTH recovery time without antibiotics, peeps. Talk about a displeased boss!

So, regarding TFA, is this the same hospital/bug that replaced its plumbing trying to get rid of a bug? IIRC they were genotyping the soap scum trying to figure out how it was getting around in spite of clean procedures.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:11 PM  
I'm not worried about Captain Trips, we're in the keystone world and don't have to worry about it.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:13 PM  
I don't think I'm being unreasonable here when I say that we should evacuate the building and burn it to the ground.
 
2012-09-16 12:20:00 PM  

unicron702: we're in the keystone world and don't have to worry about it.


You seem very sure of that...
 
2012-09-16 12:25:41 PM  

SurfaceTension: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Hey, now, my chimney might be stuffed up, but Imma use a chimney sweep like any good homeowner.
 
2012-09-16 12:25:44 PM  
At least our powers that be would never do something profoundly idiotic like move an deadly-animal-pathogen research lab to the middle of cattle country. Oh, wait...
 
2012-09-16 12:28:38 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


Yup! In my 50 years I've only had the flu twice. I'd rather take a beating than go through that shiat again!
 
2012-09-16 12:28:59 PM  

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: meat0918: germ78: How about we stop feeding cattle antibiotics? That has probably done as much as prescription happy doctors to reduce the effectiveness of what few antibiotics we have left.

Why? People want cheap beef

Become a Vegetarian, or eat naturally raised meats. Better tastin and better for you trumps tasteless cheap crap


Going vegetarian is out, and when I can afford it, I do get local beef. I've just lowered my overall portion size.

Although one time, I swear the guy sold me 6 month old beef from his freezer, and said it would taste significantly different because it was "Grass fed".

Significantly different in this case meant rancid.
 
2012-09-16 12:33:25 PM  
Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.
 
2012-09-16 12:40:53 PM  
Jeebus Christo

You got one job. One lousy job.

Keep the damn door shut and you couldn't even do that.

Therefore, you need more government funding.

President Obama: "How much you want there big fellow?"

Starts thumbing through National Checkbook. Signs blank check.
 
2012-09-16 12:54:14 PM  

douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.


I am currently reading The Stand, so I'm getting a M-O-O-N out of these replies.
 
2012-09-16 12:54:42 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


For someone with 'tampon' in their user name, that's pretty goddamned funny!

/Your comment was pretty funny, too!
 
2012-09-16 12:56:39 PM  
Clemkadidlefark:

Jeebus Christo

You got one job. One lousy job.

Keep the damn door shut and you couldn't even do that.

Therefore, you need more government funding.

President Obama: "How much you want there big fellow?"

Starts thumbing through National Checkbook. Signs blank check.


And this, my friends, is an example of late-stage Wharrgarblrhea. A truly tragic disease where partisan talking points build up in the head to the point where they come spewing out at completely random moments.

Sadly, this does not seem to be a fatal disease. There's a lab where we study it a few tabs over.
 
2012-09-16 12:56:52 PM  
"In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation." -England's Prince Phillip

Did that old guy die and I missed it?
 
2012-09-16 01:02:30 PM  
photo.goodreads.com
 
2012-09-16 01:05:47 PM  

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.


Not a doctor, but what a lot of people call antibiotics are antivirals. Also, depending on the nature of the viral infection, antibiotics can be given prophylactically to prevent a secondary infection. i have yet to meet a doctor that doesn't understand the difference between treatments for viral and bacterial infections. If people think they are getting prescribed anitbiotics for viral infections, either they don't understand the treatment, they don't understand the reasons, or they have an incopmetetent doctor. The latter is less likely.
 
2012-09-16 01:07:38 PM  
www.morrisonhotelgallery.com
 
2012-09-16 01:08:44 PM  

MycroftHolmes: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

Not a doctor, but what a lot of people call antibiotics are antivirals. Also, depending on the nature of the viral infection, antibiotics can be given prophylactically to prevent a secondary infection. i have yet to meet a doctor that doesn't understand the difference between treatments for viral and bacterial infections. If people think they are getting prescribed anitbiotics for viral infections, either they don't understand the treatment, they don't understand the reasons, or they have an incopmetetent doctor. The latter is less likely.


It's very likely in my case that I screwed up the terminology.
 
2012-09-16 01:09:28 PM  

Gobobo: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

Yes, let's kill all of the doctors who diagnose a secondary infection.


If you have a productive cough with opaque sputum, which is not uncommon in the aftermath of a viral infection, you have a secondary infection. Some people still think 'derrrr, why I be taking antibiotics for the flu\cold', but that isn't really what you are being treated for at that point. The sentiments at the top of the thread are proof that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
 
2012-09-16 01:13:02 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.

Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.


Well, you get partial protection if the new mutations come from an existing strain that you are vaccinated\resistant to. It is only when there is antigenic shift and a completely new strain comes out that people have zero defense (think H1N1)
 
2012-09-16 01:13:24 PM  

douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.


He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still
 
2012-09-16 01:16:12 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: It's sad that we have turned pickles into vinegarized corpses instead of healthy sources of good bacteria. That's why I make them. You know besides the fact the pickled cabbage leaves make a roast beef sandwich taste like heaven. Plus you poop well after eating these pickles.


I pickle a lot of stuff as well, sauerkraut, beets, kimchi, assorted veg, ginger. I hadn't seen these before, but their existence doesn't surprise me, they make a lot of sense. Less farting around than some of the alternatives- using a non-jar fermentation process or burping a jar regularly during fermentation. Thanks for the heads up- I think I'll get a couple.
 
2012-09-16 01:16:38 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: pivazena: What do recent vaccine effectiveness studies show?

They're the last people i'd trust to give an unbiased opinion on the matter. Especially after blatantly distorting information on swine flu cases.

I can only really speak from my own experience. Haven't been sick in 15 years (knock on wood), and everyone i know who gets flu shots gets sick annually.


oh wow.

/we are doomed.
 
2012-09-16 01:20:12 PM  
I better get my ass to Vegas
 
2012-09-16 01:24:20 PM  
This case was the first infection since January?

Where has the bug been hiding since January that it is still viable?
 
2012-09-16 01:33:18 PM  

Majick Thise: People say everything is the flu. People are stupid.


Yeah, influenza is bad news. I think I've had actual influenza twice in my life. Everything else has been good ole rhinovirus or a sinus infection. The major difference I remember from influenza is the the sore throat feels different, but the major difference is the weakness and the body ache. Rhinovirus doesn't make you feel like you've been beaten good and hard with rubber hoses. Plus, influenza doesn't last just three days.
 
2012-09-16 01:34:12 PM  

miss diminutive: Bontesla: vernonFL: The Secret of NIH.

SUPERBUG!

I loved that movie!

Same here! Bought it on DVD last year and still almost teared up when Nicodemus died.

/spoiler alert?


Oh my goodness! Nicodemus! Poor Nicodemus.

Ha. I wanted to name my first son Justin - but then I met too many real life bad Justin's.
 
2012-09-16 01:38:08 PM  
and I had hoped it was the "rage" virus...............
 
2012-09-16 01:39:01 PM  

sno man: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

This needs to be repeated, repeatedly...


And perhaps limit the amount of antibiotics given to the animals we invariably eat?
 
2012-09-16 01:40:34 PM  

piccolo: This case was the first infection since January?

Where has the bug been hiding since January that it is still viable?


Virus's can form coatings that make them last essentially forever (eventually there will be enough random damage that their RNA no longer works but that can take a hell of a long time). Anthrax in particular is good at doing this which is why it's relatively easy to weaponize, but it also means that there have been spontaneous outbreaks in areas that haven't had an outbreak in decades.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:45 PM  

office_despot: This text is now purple: Majick Thise: It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases.

Whooping cough made me wish I only had the flu. The flu doesn't last six weeks.

THIS. Even though antibiotics work on pertussis, the bacteria have already destroyed every respiratory cilia you have. And it takes 5-6 months to grow them back! Every time I went for a run I thought I was drowning.


The biatch is that by the time the symptoms become apparently not the flu, you're no longer actively ill. At this point, the antibiotics do nothing.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:46 PM  

Bonecrusher: Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still


For an infection to become fatal within 10 minutes, it would have to kill via the heat produced by the explosive reproduction rate of the colony.

Even if it directly attacked your heart or brain, it would take longer than 10 minutes to kill.

Also, a kill rate that fast drastically limits contagion rates.
 
2012-09-16 01:52:13 PM  

Bonecrusher: douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still


If a certain subset of the population was completely immune to it, who's to say there wasn't also some who were ridiculously susceptible?
 
2012-09-16 01:57:38 PM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Won't do any good as long as we allow massive immigration from countries where antibiotics are OTC medications.
 
2012-09-16 01:58:20 PM  

SDRR: Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!
I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!
TMI dude. TMI


He doesn't care. He's on dope.
 
2012-09-16 02:00:58 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


Why u no to change job?

i.imgur.com 

Deys dicks.
 
2012-09-16 02:05:48 PM  

ruinevil: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)


There are, yes - but for most of them they're only terribly effective if given in a pretty small window after you get the virus. Almost never happens, because you generally don't develop symptoms fast enough to feel hellish enough to get to a doctor in that amount of time. Plus tests, plus lalala by the time all that's gonna get done you're way past a few days since the original infection, probably even since you started feeling messed up - since most of us don't immediately book to the dr. the first time we sniffle.

While the anit-virals (some of them) can help with after the fact treatment, that's a long road. Pretty much why you never get them from your dr. when you are sick, because under any vaguely normal circumstances you're gonna get better naturally as fast or faster than the anti-virals working to kick it out. This is why you normally only see them in hospitals and in long-term severity cases - ones where the virus is not going away, or the patient is both compromised and observed enough that the onset is caught fast (i.e. pretty much only those already hospitalized.)

So... yeah in effect those pretty much not going to help any sort of normal virus issue as people in first world countries generally get them. At least not any faster than your immune system will do it anyway. And yes, the whole idea of forcing employees in that are sick is mentally retarded. Simple math and infection-passing modeling can show that to an 8 year old PDQ. Unfortunately, most MBA's do not regularly exhibit the intelligence of an 8 year old and demand you come in and give it to everyone anyway.
 
2012-09-16 02:12:06 PM  
I just got an urge to listen to some Blue Oyster Cult.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:12 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


Does your FARK handle have something to do about that unpleasant...period?
 
2012-09-16 02:34:33 PM  

Bontesla: And - every employer that requires attendance at work despite sickness should also be shot. Every single employee should have access to adequate health care and adequate paid sick leave.


Ironically, the worst people about sick leave are the doctors themselves.

Don't go to the hospital if you can help it.
 
2012-09-16 02:35:06 PM  
Well, at least Boulder is only a a few hours away. 8 days if I have to make it on foot I suppose.
 
2012-09-16 02:35:16 PM  

pivazena:
Fair enough, but you don't know how sick they'd get without the shot. Maybe you don't get the shot because you have a super immune system, you'd never need it. Maybe they get it because they always get sick and want to avoid a worse illness.


I get it because 1) it's free at my job, and 2) though I don't get sick often, my spouse has asthma(high risk population), and cannot get a flu shot due to an egg allergy, so my getting the shot is one less potential vector of infection he has to face.
 
2012-09-16 02:36:22 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!


You've neve seen Trainspotting?
 
2012-09-16 02:36:39 PM  

Walker: Don't go the hospital, it's full of sick people....and germs.


There was another recent thread, I think regarding a hospital in the UK with something like this. I'll repeat the two things I said in there.

According to my (late) grandfather, "a hospital is no place for a sick person".

And if this kind of stuff keeps cropping up, I say burn the places to the ground and salt the ashes. None of this 'spreading it around' BS, nooo.

/never leaving my house again
//as long as it has internet at least
 
2012-09-16 02:38:08 PM  

wambu: Why u no to change job?

Deys dicks.


that was several years ago, it's gotten better since we unionized. Well every day is still counted against you but at least we have gotten a few more days before termination. 7 per rolling calendar year instead of three. I would have to change states to do any better and I don't make enough to move away. Old, fat and undereducated doesn't help much either..
 
2012-09-16 02:42:54 PM  
From Wikipedia:
"K. pneumoniae can cause the disease Klebsiella pneumonia. They cause destructive changes to human lungs inflammation and hemorrhage with cell death (necrosis) that sometimes produces a thick, bloody, mucoid sputum (currant jelly sputum). "

Ew. But currant jelly sputum might make a good punk band name
 
2012-09-16 02:45:21 PM  

maxheck: Clemkadidlefark:

Jeebus Christo

You got one job. One lousy job.

Keep the damn door shut and you couldn't even do that.

Therefore, you need more government funding.

President Obama: "How much you want there big fellow?"

Starts thumbing through National Checkbook. Signs blank check.

And this, my friends, is an example of late-stage Wharrgarblrhea. A truly tragic disease where partisan talking points build up in the head to the point where they come spewing out at completely random moments.

Sadly, this does not seem to be a fatal disease. There's a lab where we study it a few tabs over.


Believe me, nothing gets "studied" in that tab.
 
2012-09-16 02:46:32 PM  

the cake is a pie: Bonecrusher: douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still

If a certain subset of the population was completely immune to it, who's to say there wasn't also some who were ridiculously susceptible?


I always wondered if they gased the building to keep infected people from fleeing.
 
2012-09-16 02:49:11 PM  

Badgers: I've seen this one.

[i44.tinypic.com image 320x240]


Is that woman the one who plays the evil mother in GoT?
 
2012-09-16 02:53:10 PM  

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

you need to get the FACTS
 
2012-09-16 03:02:10 PM  
The one-size-fits-all no antibiotics for anyone attitude can put an otherwise healthy person like myself in the hospital. While most people don't need them most of the time, a past history of something nasty like rheumatic fever could very well turn a sniffle into serious without help. Hate that I always have to school the young PAs who'don't seem to know much nearly extinct diseases.
That and why did Larry have to die???
 
2012-09-16 03:04:55 PM  

Bonecrusher: I work with money 10 hours a day. Manage a convenience store. I do not once wash my hands during the day. Careful to rub my itchy nose or eye with back of hands. Change garbage (as long as I dont get anything visibly nasty on them; rarely wash afterward.) rarely even have a cold. Point being; you HAVE to expose your immune system to stuff or it'll become useless.


I bite my nails, which supposedly works the same way, and might also explain why i haven't been sick in so long. Getting exposed to low level virus' and bacteria bolsters your immune system for the stronger versions. It's the same principle flu vaccines work with.

MycroftHolmes: Well, you get partial protection if the new mutations come from an existing strain that you are vaccinated\resistant to. It is only when there is antigenic shift and a completely new strain comes out that people have zero defense


Sure, but the problem is there are countless strains of influenza and other virus', and any one could at any time mutate into something more virulent. I think you only get protected from maybe a dozen strains with a flu shot, and there are literally millions out there.
 
2012-09-16 03:08:10 PM  
I don't really have time to read this whole thread or TFA for that matter, but I recall seeing an alert regarding this "superbug" yesterday. FWIW, it seems to be largely media sensationalism, since those who contracted the bug and died of it were severely immunocompromised individuals; with immune system functioning below that of someone with full-blown AIDS and a CD4 count below 10; it seemed to be more on par with SCID.
 
2012-09-16 03:12:43 PM  
I have a kid that had both MRSA and C. diff before he was 6 months old. He's 13 now, and driving me crazy. His pediatrician said he was either extremely lucky, healthy, or a mutant waiting for instructions.
 
2012-09-16 03:19:35 PM  

leftymcrighty: ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)

Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.


Ahem.. antibacterials kill bacteria, antvirals kill viruses... And then we have azithromycin which is an anti reproductive. All of these are antibiotics (against life)

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-09-16 03:21:40 PM  
It's pretty much an awful idea to get surgery these days unless you're in tip top shape. My grandfather needs surgery to bore out some nerve channels in his spine, but the doctors said they severely recommend against it not because the surgery is risky but because there's a high chance of a MRSA infection being contracted at the hospital. He's otherwise healthy, but he's of advanced age, and the prognosis would be poor if he did contract MRSA
 
2012-09-16 03:26:08 PM  

kronicfeld: Baby, can you dig your man?


You sound black.

/gonna watch the miniseries now.
 
2012-09-16 04:16:36 PM  
For those of you criticizing the doctors who prescribe antibiotics for children with the flu, you and NOWmust realize the reason they do what they do...MOTHERS. When a mom barings her child into the doctor for a bad cold or the flu, they want something done...and NOW. They do not want to hear that they should take the child home and let the cold/flu run its course as there are no medicines that will cure the disease. So to pacify the mother, even though it will do no good, they prescribe so amoxicillin or some such so mom feels good and feels that she has helped her child. In reality, she has not helped but possibly just made that bug a bit more resistant to anything...which in reality her actions has hurt her child. She is generally not receptive to reality and will yell at the doctor if he doesn't give her some medicine for her child. To avoid all the crap from the mother, he just prescribes something to pacify her and get her out of the office with as little strife as possible. He tells her to give some tylenol for a fever, etc. that will really help and the antibiotic that will hopefully do no harm. This, gentlemen and ladies, is why your doctor prescribes antibiotics when they are not needed. Mothers DEMAND medicine and the doctor gives it.
 
2012-09-16 04:35:15 PM  

coco ebert: Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.

You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!


Your immune system just needs to pull itself up by its bootstraps if it wants to be part of a body that earns its keep and produces enough wealth to be deserving of support such as food and shelter by The Market. All hail The Market!
 
2012-09-16 04:42:24 PM  

Majick Thise: I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison


You're insane. I would willingly take the flu over bronchitis.
 
2012-09-16 04:45:41 PM  

This text is now purple: Bonecrusher: Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.

He was infected maybe 10 minutes before if I recall correctly. Pretty immediate still

For an infection to become fatal within 10 minutes, it would have to kill via the heat produced by the explosive reproduction rate of the colony.

Even if it directly attacked your heart or brain, it would take longer than 10 minutes to kill.

Also, a kill rate that fast drastically limits contagion rates.


virus released>virus detected in ventilation system>Nerve gas released, kills scientists/alarm sounds>campion gets family, who are infected via vent system already>campion leaves base. not a King screw up, but a reading comprehension screw up.
 
2012-09-16 05:07:44 PM  
Elderberries have shown in studies that they can be quite effective against no less than eight strains of the flu virus. They may help in preventing some flu types from infecting cells that are still healthy. Clinical trials of elderberries show that they can cut 90% of many flu infections within a period of only three days. Participants in the same test given a placebo took six or seven days to recover. Elderberry is sold in Israel, where this study took place, as Sambucol, an herbal medicine that is patented for help in treating the symptoms of the flu.
 
2012-09-16 05:15:18 PM  

gopher321: Nuke it from orbit, blah blah blah...


LOL
over in one
and thank you
:D
 
2012-09-16 05:19:42 PM  

bhcompy: It's pretty much an awful idea to get surgery these days unless you're in tip top shape. My grandfather needs surgery to bore out some nerve channels in his spine, but the doctors said they severely recommend against it not because the surgery is risky but because there's a high chance of a MRSA infection being contracted at the hospital. He's otherwise healthy, but he's of advanced age, and the prognosis would be poor if he did contract MRSA


It's always tricky when you are in poor shape or elderly. A close friend of mine who was almost a surrogate father passed away a couple years back after knee surgery. He was 60, not in great shape and had one working kidney which had been transplanted about ten years earlier after both of his failed. His insurance wouldn't cover a night in the hospital and the doctors insisted he was fine. His family took him home to stay with them while he recovered and about 2 hours after getting back they went to the store and were gone for about 20 minutes. They came back to find him already dead from a heart attack. If your grandfather does go under the knife make sure somebody is there around him for about 24 hours with no breaks.
 
2012-09-16 05:28:26 PM  

douchebag/hater: Since 'The Stand' has been brought up, here's something in it that always bothered me.

There is a scene that takes place at the military base where the General in charge is watching monitors showing the cafeteria.

He describes a person who died and his face fell into a bowl of soup and the General says, in essence, 'It's a shame that this guy will spend the rest of eternity slumped over' with his face in a serving of beef barley.

Really? Captain Trips killed people INSTANTLY while they are in a non-quarantined area of the base?

This little fark-up of King's shows someone wasn't paying attention, especially in terms of how the virus was supposed to work.


That was explained, the disease did a mutation before it left the base. There's also anecdotes of people who died while waiting on something to cook, whatever. IE: Boulder.
 
2012-09-16 05:30:28 PM  
Yeah what Blaquecat said also.
 
2012-09-16 05:43:09 PM  
OMG Were all gonna die!
 
2012-09-16 05:55:01 PM  

dryknife: Elderberries have shown in studies that they can be quite effective against no less than eight strains of the flu virus. They may help in preventing some flu types from infecting cells that are still healthy. Clinical trials of elderberries show that they can cut 90% of many flu infections within a period of only three days. Participants in the same test given a placebo took six or seven days to recover. Elderberry is sold in Israel, where this study took place, as Sambucol, an herbal medicine that is patented for help in treating the symptoms of the flu.


Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
 
2012-09-16 05:57:57 PM  
Some advice from someone who actually works in this field:
(a) antibiotics generally refer to medications that kill bacteria
(b) there are other medications that are effective against certain viruses (generally called antivirals)
(c) most common respiratory infections are viral but not flu, so giving antibiotics (or antivirals) for someone with the common cold is pretty much useless
(d) on the other hand, some people with flu get a bacterial infection on top (especially from Streptococcus pneumoniae or Staphylococcus aureus), so they can wind up being very sick and in fact needing antibiotics for that bacterial superinfection

Anyway, the "superbug" in the article refers to a bacteria that is resistant to most (although not every single) antibiotic. It can cause diseases including urinary tract infections, pneumonia and bacteremia (blood infections)... and, contrary to what some people said above, it can affect people with relatively normal immune systems (granted, people who are hospitalized for some serious illness, but with relatively intact immune systems).

To summarize.... The practice of medicine is complicated. And, if in doubt, wash your hands!
 
2012-09-16 05:59:16 PM  

dryknife: Elderberries have shown in studies that they can be quite effective against no less than eight strains of the flu virus. They may help in preventing some flu types from infecting cells that are still healthy. Clinical trials of elderberries show that they can cut 90% of many flu infections within a period of only three days. Participants in the same test given a placebo took six or seven days to recover. Elderberry is sold in Israel, where this study took place, as Sambucol, an herbal medicine that is patented for help in treating the symptoms of the flu.


Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt like a case of the flu!
 
2012-09-16 06:30:35 PM  
The problem with this misleading caption is...just like our lame stream media...it is misleading. Nothing was released by the NIH. It was identified by top men....top...men...
 
2012-09-16 07:17:16 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Sure, but the problem is there are countless strains of influenza and other virus', and any one could at any time mutate into something more virulent. I think you only get protected from maybe a dozen strains with a flu shot, and there are literally millions out there.


This is not entirely accurate. While there are many strains out there, many of them are variants of the same root strain, and therefore antibodies for one strain will be partially effective for the variants. Secondly, while many strains exist, it takes an active, infected population to sustain the virus. this is how vaccines work. They take the current active strains and vaccinate the population prior to flu season, strengthening the herd immunity to the strains currently spreading. They do not need to worry about strains that have not been seen in the wild, as there is little chance of those being caught or spread.
 
2012-09-16 07:24:28 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: I bite my nails, which supposedly works the same way, and might also explain why i haven't been sick in so long. Getting exposed to low level virus' and bacteria bolsters your immune system for the stronger versions. It's the same principle flu vaccines work with.


This is incorrect in a few ways. First, vaccines work by exposing your immune system to either dead or attenuated versions of the virus, not low levels of the virus. Second, most viruses cannot survive exposed to the environment for very long. The idea that eating the crud under your fingernails contains enough pathogenic viruses to develop antibodies, while not enough to make you sick, does not really seem feasible (also, ingestion is not really the best way to introduce viruses into your system). If you were scraping your fingernails into the moist crevices of the floor of a hospital, then immediately injecting that sunstance into your bloood, you might have a more valid scenario.
 
2012-09-16 07:43:37 PM  

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Badgers: I've seen this one.

[i44.tinypic.com image 320x240]

Is that woman the one who plays the evil mother in GoT?


No, that's Maxim Roy:

a3.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

You mean Lena Headey:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 08:33:22 PM  

MycroftHolmes: This is incorrect in a few ways. First, vaccines work by exposing your immune system to either dead or attenuated versions of the virus, not low levels of the virus. Second, most viruses cannot survive exposed to the environment for very long. The idea that eating the crud under your fingernails contains enough pathogenic viruses to develop antibodies, while not enough to make you sick, does not really seem feasible (also, ingestion is not really the best way to introduce viruses into your system). If you were scraping your fingernails into the moist crevices of the floor of a hospital, then immediately injecting that sunstance into your bloood, you might have a more valid scenario.


Alright, i'm just some kind of superhuman, then. Probably due to my RH negative blood. The loonies always said we had superior immune systems compared to the 'monkeybloods' but i never believed it until now.
 
2012-09-16 08:53:22 PM  
Lena Headey? More like Headley Lamar.
 
2012-09-16 09:21:02 PM  

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

This. I once took an anti-biotic because I had a huge amount of swelling from a spider bite on my forehead. Just one of these horsepills and the swelling was completely gone by the next morning. I have to believe that these new pills have some sort of nuclear material in them.
 
2012-09-16 09:45:01 PM  

FishStampede: A lot of the time any respiratory ailment, even those caused by a virus or just allergies, can create a good environment for an opportunistic bacterial infection. Prescribing antibiotics for a viral illness can prevent that from happening. Not saying it's an altogether good practice, but it's not as stupid as it sounds.


As someone who gets pneumonia any time a cold lasts longer than 4 days, I second this.

Yeah, I don't want to get some antibiotic resistant superbug. I also want to breathe. Guess which one wins?
 
2012-09-16 11:27:46 PM  
So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.
 
2012-09-16 11:47:51 PM  
dryknife

I guess I gotta read The Stand, cuz I was wondering what Jerry had to do with this too.

/death don't have no mercy
//in this land
///come to your house
////it won't take long
 
2012-09-17 12:10:13 AM  

intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.


"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.
 
2012-09-17 12:23:18 AM  
Checks the Article
KPC huh thank god It wasn't the Untreatable superbug I made for them
/that one causes cancer
 
2012-09-17 11:10:38 AM  
 
2012-09-17 11:44:29 AM  

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


www.starstills.com
 
2012-09-18 12:57:59 AM  

MrBallou: intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.

"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.



I've been suffering off and on from it for over a damn month now. And he gives me nothing to help, no advice, no medicine...
 
2012-09-18 11:25:11 AM  

intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.


This comment confuses me. Are you upset that your doctor won't prescribe you a drug that won't fix your ailment? And how does him not unnecesarily prescribing a drug that won't help equate to him being money hungry?
 
2012-09-18 11:26:19 AM  

intelligent comment below: MrBallou: intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.

"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.


I've been suffering off and on from it for over a damn month now. And he gives me nothing to help, no advice, no medicine...


Where is it that you live that there is only one doctor in town?
 
2012-09-18 11:28:04 AM  

intelligent comment below: MrBallou: intelligent comment below: So is this why my "doctor" won't give me another antibiotic to treat the intestinal parasites the pills he gave me didn't cure? Are doctors now trying not to prescribe them too much? I see no other reason and have no idea what to do to fix it. Fark these money hungry doctors.

"Parasite" probably doesnt mean bacteria. Listen to your doctor in this case. Worms, amoebas, and such are hard to kill.


I've been suffering off and on from it for over a damn month now. And he gives me nothing to help, no advice, no medicine...


And by the by, the attitude expressed above is exactly why some doctors do overprescribe antibiotics.

'Screw you doc, give me something, you money grubber'

'But sir, your condition is not caused by an infection and won't respond to antibiotics'

'You money grubber, smart talking bastard, just give me the drugs.'
 
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