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(Baltimore Sun)   Don't panic, but seven people have died since an untreatable "superbug" was released at an NIH lab in Maryland. Paging Captain Trips, Captain Trips to the white courtesy phone   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 181
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2012-09-16 08:25:35 AM
Nuke it from orbit, blah blah blah...
 
2012-09-16 08:29:54 AM
"No! The white phone"
 
2012-09-16 08:36:18 AM
No sir, I don't like this happy crappy.
 
2012-09-16 08:41:49 AM
For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.
 
2012-09-16 08:45:20 AM
Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?
 
2012-09-16 08:48:05 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

 
2012-09-16 09:11:18 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


earaches and sore throats seem to be more common "reasons" indicative to this problem, but I agree with your sentiment entirely.
 
2012-09-16 09:16:01 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


And - every employer that requires attendance at work despite sickness should also be shot. Every single employee should have access to adequate health care and adequate paid sick leave.

My last two employers had an unwritten rules about utilizing sick and vacation leave. As a result, employees always went to the doctors for the slightest illness in hopes of shortening the length of illness.
 
2012-09-16 09:16:08 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?
 
2012-09-16 09:16:16 AM
The kid got this "superbug" while in the Bethesda hospital?

wtf
 
2012-09-16 09:22:04 AM
The Secret of NIH.

hwalther.home.xs4all.nl 

SUPERBUG!
 
2012-09-16 09:36:28 AM

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


*grumble grumble*

An edit feature would be really nice.
 
2012-09-16 09:46:10 AM

vernonFL: The Secret of NIH.

 

SUPERBUG!


I loved that movie!
 
2012-09-16 09:46:54 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


This needs to be repeated, repeatedly...
 
2012-09-16 09:53:10 AM

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


A Chim-chim-cheroodiatrician?
 
2012-09-16 10:01:10 AM

Richard Saunders: microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?

A Chim-chim-cheroodiatrician?


encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-09-16 10:04:46 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.
 
2012-09-16 10:27:07 AM

Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.


Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.
 
2012-09-16 10:28:00 AM
Baby, can you dig your man?
 
2012-09-16 10:36:15 AM

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.


fixed.
 
2012-09-16 10:39:16 AM

SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.


Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.
 
2012-09-16 10:40:01 AM
A lot of the time any respiratory ailment, even those caused by a virus or just allergies, can create a good environment for an opportunistic bacterial infection. Prescribing antibiotics for a viral illness can prevent that from happening. Not saying it's an altogether good practice, but it's not as stupid as it sounds.
 
2012-09-16 10:53:37 AM

ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.


that was my understanding as well. The flu makes you weak and susceptible to every bug you encounter so the antibiotics help your weakened immune system.. but I am not a doctor.
 
2012-09-16 10:54:18 AM
You ain't no nice guy, Subby!

/M-o-o-n, that spells superflu
 
2012-09-16 10:57:27 AM

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


You can be fired for being sick but hey, who needs unions anymore. They've served their purpose!
 
2012-09-16 10:59:25 AM

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


So, the Flu is the Pit Bull/AK-47 of viruses.
 
2012-09-16 11:00:49 AM
Since we're busy shooting doctors, could we please shoot all doctors who prescribe opiates without WARNING THEIR PATIENTS TO TAKE STOOL SOFTENERS ALONG WITH THEIR OPIATES!!1!

I guess for we males it's a whole different experience to look into a toilet and see festoons of fresh blood. BUT IT WAS COMING OUT OF MY TENDER ASS!!1!
 
2012-09-16 11:01:09 AM

DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.


There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)
 
2012-09-16 11:01:31 AM

BunkyBrewman: The kid got this "superbug" while in the Bethesda hospital?

wtf


Hospitals are full of sick people. Despite-- actually, because of-- the precautions, that's exactly where you'd expect a supervirus to thrive.

That said, if you need hospitalization, statistically its still far better to go than not.
 
2012-09-16 11:02:10 AM
Cibola! Ci-bo-la!

Bumpty bumpty bump!

/my life for you
 
2012-09-16 11:02:23 AM

Majick Thise: It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases.


Whooping cough made me wish I only had the flu. The flu doesn't last six weeks.

That said, it's generally hard to tell what is and is not the flu. It has about the least specific set of symptoms ever.
 
2012-09-16 11:02:32 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Yes, let's kill all of the doctors who diagnose a secondary infection.
 
2012-09-16 11:03:26 AM

MrBallou: For what it's worth, it wasn't a "lab". The NIH Clinical Center is a huge hospital where they only treat the sickest of the sick. My understanding is that the ones who died were people who were severly immune-compromised and very weak before they got the bug.


Yep. I'm in the Clinical Center (B10) quite often and it is absolutely gigantic. If only 7 people out of the thousands of terminally ill people in that building are sick from this, it's either pretty bad at spreading itself or the staff is doing a phenomenal job of keeping it contained. I'd bet a little of both.
 
2012-09-16 11:03:28 AM
And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.
 
2012-09-16 11:03:56 AM
We should also be talking about widespread antibiotic use in livestock and its contribution to antibiotic resistance in humans.

Bacteria -- even the good gut microbiota -- develop antibiotic resistance in livestock. We eat the meat, which is often contaminated with gut microbiota, and the bugs carrying antibiotic resistance genes wind up in our gut. Through horizontal gene transfer, pathogenic bacteria can grab these genes. Even if we severely curtailed overprescription of antibiotics in humans, we still have rampant use of these broad-spectrum antibiotics in livestock and that's where a lot of the problems are coming from.
 
2012-09-16 11:05:13 AM

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: SilentStrider: DamnYankees: Majick Thise: Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped decertified.

fixed.

Maybe a secondary infection? But yeah. I have zero patience for doctors that hand out antibiotics for viruses. I hope they all get MRSA.

that was my understanding as well. The flu makes you weak and susceptible to every bug you encounter so the antibiotics help your weakened immune system.. but I am not a doctor.


Yeah, a lot of people with COPD or chronic bronchitis need them as a prophylactic. Which is fine and a perfectly good use of them. It's the handing them out like candy for a run-of-the-mill viral infection that pisses me off.
 
2012-09-16 11:08:38 AM

fragMasterFlash: You ain't no nice guy, Subby!

/M-o-o-n, that spells superflu


dammit, you beat me to the M-O-O-N comment. M-O-O-N spells disappointment.
 
2012-09-16 11:09:23 AM
Best.
Book.
Ever.*

*besides "IT"
 
2012-09-16 11:09:36 AM

Majick Thise: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

The flu kills people. Up to 500,000 a year in a normal year. People say they have 'a touch of the flu'... no they don't. They have a cold. They say it was 'bad, but I beat it' they had a bad cold. They say the flu was so bad they were 'spewing from both ends' they had food poisoning.

People say everything is the flu. People are stupid. Then they get antibiotics. Doctors are stupid.

After 40+ years of saying all these same things (I was stupid) I finally got the real honest to god FLU a few years ago. I also work for one of those companies that make you report to work no matter what. (no sick days at all and if you go to the hospital stop at work on the way to get your FMLA papers otherwise each day you miss is counted after 3 days you're fired) So I woke up for work and got in the shower, when I woke up again the water was still somewhat warm so I know I didn't lay there on the bottom of the tub for too long after collapsing. Called in sick, and yes they charged me at work for the day, went to the doc. Got the flu swab test. Got antibiotics, luckily I had the next two days scheduled off so I was only charged the one day.

It made me realize I have only had the flu once in my life. It has also made me scoff at all lessor diseases. I had bronchitis this year and that was a minor annoyance in comparison. I'll probably die of pneumonia or something simply because it wasn't as bad as the flu and I refused to get to the doctor.


You're part of the problem. The flu is caused by a virus, not a bacteria; antibiotics do fark all for it.

Also, just because your particular strain of the flu was severe, doesn't mean that everybody else is just faking it or confused about what they have. If anything, you're the one who seems hopelessly confused, since you don't seem to realize that, yes, there are multiple different varieties of flu with different severities that affect different people differently.
 
2012-09-16 11:09:49 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


You might want to read up on Klebisella Pneumoniae. It wasn't overuse of antibiotics that got this bug to this point. The little bastard is the evolutionary equivilant of the little engine that could.
 
2012-09-16 11:09:58 AM

ruinevil:

There are antivirals that interfere with specific parts of the flu life cycle... they are antibiotics.
Tamiflu
Relenza
Symmetrel (most flu is resistant now)


Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. Different life forms. Like chickens and jellyfish.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:18 AM

pivazena: We should also be talking about widespread antibiotic use in livestock and its contribution to antibiotic resistance in humans.

Bacteria -- even the good gut microbiota -- develop antibiotic resistance in livestock. We eat the meat, which is often contaminated with gut microbiota, and the bugs carrying antibiotic resistance genes wind up in our gut. Through horizontal gene transfer, pathogenic bacteria can grab these genes. Even if we severely curtailed overprescription of antibiotics in humans, we still have rampant use of these broad-spectrum antibiotics in livestock and that's where a lot of the problems are coming from.


I have two batches of lacto-fermented pickles brewing as I type this. I use the Perfect Pickler--it's basically a brewing airlock stuck in a plastic lid with a rubber seal on the lid.. Makes a sealed pickling environment that vents out produced gasses. 1 round Tablespoon of Coarse Sea Salt per 2 cups of non-chlorinated water in a quart wide mouth canning jar.

One batch is sour dill pickles--peppercorns, dill seed and garlic. The other batch is cabbage leaves, carrot slices and onion rings with 2 teaspoons of Kroger pickling spice mix (it has cinnamon in the mix so don't use it for kosher dills).

The bacteria in these pickles are amazing. The aroma of the pickles is strong and sour but they don't smell like spoilage.

It's sad that we have turned pickles into vinegarized corpses instead of healthy sources of good bacteria. That's why I make them. You know besides the fact the pickled cabbage leaves make a roast beef sandwich taste like heaven. Plus you poop well after eating these pickles.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:37 AM

ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?


Even if the doctors prescribe them properly, the patient has to take the full course. The jackholes who stop taking the antibiotics because they "feel better" should be first against the wall.
 
2012-09-16 11:10:37 AM

Bontesla: vernonFL: The Secret of NIH.

 

SUPERBUG!

I loved that movie!


Same here! Bought it on DVD last year and still almost teared up when Nicodemus died.

/spoiler alert?
 
2012-09-16 11:11:04 AM
Yeah subby, those eeevil or careless scientists just had vials of the stuff sitting on a shelf, waiting for the proper moment, then WHAM, released it on an unsuspecting patient population.

tard
 
2012-09-16 11:11:56 AM
FTFA: "He was the 19th patient at the hospital to contract an antibiotic-resistant strain of KPC, or Klebsiella pneumoniae. The outbreak stemmed from a single patient carrying the superbug who arrived at the hospital last summer."

Sensationalist subtard wins the easy green. 12 survivors > 7 Victims.
 
2012-09-16 11:12:13 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: And now I'm glad I got my flu shot.


Unless this 'superbug' was created by the very same people who made your flu shot, allowing them to protect you from that particular strain, you have no defense against it.

All a flu shot does is protect you from virus' which have already made the rounds. You get no protection from new mutations.
 
2012-09-16 11:12:41 AM
DamnYankees:
Influenza is a virus. If you were given antibiotics your doctor should be slapped.

Except that when you have a bad case of the flu, the antibiotics are there to keep you from getting a bacterial infection. If you're showing any signs of pneumonia at all, they're going to give you antibiotics.

A lot of times, when "the flu" is going around, it's really "the flu plus three or four other diseases," because the early infectees tend to come down with everything at once (weaker immune systems, et cetera), and those same people will infect other folks with most of those at the same time.
 
2012-09-16 11:13:34 AM

microdome: ginandbacon: Can we just shoot every doctor who prescribes antibiotics for colds and flues? Please?

What doctor would give antibiotics to chimneys?


2.bp.blogspot.com

Not a bricklayer.
 
2012-09-16 11:14:02 AM
MacEnvy:

Yep. I'm in the Clinical Center (B10) quite often and it is absolutely gigantic. If only 7 people out of the thousands of terminally ill people in that building are sick from this, it's either pretty bad at spreading itself or the staff is doing a phenomenal job of keeping it contained. I'd bet a little of both.

Before they remodeled it in the mid-90's it had a huge black granite atrium in the old building... My nickname for the CC is Barad-dûr.
 
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