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2012-09-16 02:05:02 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-16 02:12:59 AM  
Culprit seen driving away in this:

v023o.popscreen.com
 
2012-09-16 02:22:21 AM  
Jesus.

/wait
 
2012-09-16 02:35:21 AM  
Oy Ghey!
 
2012-09-16 02:52:16 AM  
And you can only suck 16 ounces at a time
 
2012-09-16 03:03:41 AM  

LobsterSausage: Culprit seen driving away in this:


Well played. Plus eleventy.
damn that makes me feel old though.
 
2012-09-16 03:11:48 AM  
Catholic priests seen scribbling notes.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-09-16 04:49:33 AM  
tmi
 
2012-09-16 06:20:35 AM  
That consent form should be admissible in court as a written confession to child abuse.
 
2012-09-16 06:22:49 AM  
Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers

*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine
 
2012-09-16 06:22:57 AM  
Now if only we could require the child sign a consent form.
 
2012-09-16 06:26:12 AM  
Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year
Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers
*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine

I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.
 
2012-09-16 06:26:16 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


You must see antisemitism EVERYWHERE.

Is it hard to walk with that chip on your shoulder?
 
2012-09-16 06:28:11 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.


Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.
 
2012-09-16 06:32:13 AM  

Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.


Here's a newsflash: if someone starts claiming antisemitism when none exists, they just might be full of shiat and part of the problem.
 
2012-09-16 06:32:45 AM  
So if it works for mohels can NAMBLA members have parents sign the same form before they do the same thing? I mean if mohels get to kill babies with AIDS or herpes I'm pretty sure the child molesters would want in on that action.
 
2012-09-16 06:33:08 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


If thinking that killing a baby by infecting it with herpes by sucking blood of its cock with your mouth after mutilating it is wrong, I don't want to be right.
 
2012-09-16 06:34:11 AM  
Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.

Just. Wow.
 
2012-09-16 06:35:36 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 06:35:42 AM  
He's baaaack...
 
2012-09-16 06:36:58 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.

Just. Wow.


It is pretty farking sad, isn't it? I'd hate to go through life with his issues.
 
2012-09-16 06:37:37 AM  

Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.


It's not antisemitism, it's just "Ugh, that's disgusting, quit doing it."

What a disgusting practice, regardless of whatever "religion" says it's okay. Flipping ridiculous, archaic, and just absolutely nose-wrinkling and nauseatingly disgusting.

Religion is stupid, this is an example.

Again, disgusting, gross and nauseating.
 
Rat
2012-09-16 06:42:27 AM  
They're making these things now, made of gauze or something, I've forgotten the name. Hmmm...they're all spongy like. Oh well.

So, here's the deal. Being Jewish and a frequent blood donor, when they ask if I've ever had 'contact' with someone of the same sex, what do I answer now?

Oy vey.
 
2012-09-16 06:43:37 AM  
Well, this thread certainly wasted no time deciding which was to go.
 
2012-09-16 06:48:42 AM  
Many just use sterile tubes to collect the blood these days.

New York is doing this because a baby died from herpes it contracted from a Rabbis mouth, and a large number were infected... damn dirty rabbi!
 
2012-09-16 06:49:01 AM  
"Hobbies? Well, I suck the blood off baby penises..."
 
2012-09-16 06:52:11 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


So, not liking the idea of an adult putting his mouth on the penis of an infant is anti-semitic? That's what we're goin' with, here?
 
2012-09-16 06:55:07 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year

So, not liking the idea of an adult putting his mouth on the penis of an infant is anti-semitic? That's what we're goin' with, here?


The herpes is God's gift...
 
mjg
2012-09-16 06:57:12 AM  
Circumcision = genital mutilation

/no matter what cultural or religious background its based in.
 
2012-09-16 06:59:22 AM  

mjg: Circumcision = genital mutilation

/no matter what cultural or religious background its based in.


I've been told my mutilation is hot.
 
2012-09-16 06:59:57 AM  
Informed consent (the forms and paperwork, not the actual process) is such a sham anyway it's little wonder they've been forgoing it for so long.
 
2012-09-16 07:04:21 AM  
I, the undersigned, __________________ do agree to have a man suck on my baby boy's penis after he mutilates it with a knife.

/Wow, kinda looks wrong in type doesn't it?
 
2012-09-16 07:21:28 AM  
I don't get why this is not considering child molesting, but when you suck a baby's c**k without cutting it first, people get all up in your grill about it, and won't let you babysit anymore.

Seriously, though, why is it not a crime? Is it really enough to say "G-d wants this"?
 
2012-09-16 07:25:48 AM  
Tradition, in general, shows how supid the human race really is. If there's ever something you're doing just because it's tradition, that should be reason to consider not doing it.
 
2012-09-16 07:27:54 AM  
farking Tats crying foul before anyone even said anything. What a total farking douche.
 
2012-09-16 07:31:19 AM  
OK... if your religion requires you to cut bits off a baby's penis and then suck on the wound, there just might be something a little creepy about your religion.
 
2012-09-16 07:32:09 AM  
Is religion silly or what??
 
2012-09-16 07:49:00 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers

*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-09-16 07:50:14 AM  

fusillade762: Is religion silly or what??


Yes religion is silly. Post a picture Of Mohammad and you get killed. LOL
 
2012-09-16 07:51:32 AM  
Hold my beer and watch this...

Hey Tats, how come you never cry "anitsemite" when someone insults an arab? Arabs are Semitic people too.

*runs*
 
2012-09-16 07:54:47 AM  
Couldn't you, I don't know, use a pipet or something? It doesn't take the wisdom of Rambam to know that the alternative is unsanitary and pedo-ish.
 
2012-09-16 07:55:09 AM  
As a Jew I'm just going to point out that most circumcisions don't involve this.

/crazy people exist in all religions
 
2012-09-16 07:55:11 AM  

alienated: LobsterSausage: Culprit seen driving away in this:

Well played. Plus eleventy.
damn that makes me feel old though.


Worse yet - I saw it the first time it aired.

....and a parody of the Lincoln Town Car commercial where a very Orthodox-looking guy cut a diamond in the back of the car on a bumpy road.
 
2012-09-16 07:56:26 AM  

seek3r: As a Jew I'm just going to point out that most circumcisions don't involve this.

/crazy people exist in all religions


Moderates foster an environment benificial to crazy.
 
2012-09-16 07:58:52 AM  

fusillade762: Is religion silly or what??


As silly as singing the same refrain in every thread about Christians, Muslims or Jews?
 
2012-09-16 07:59:49 AM  
kokomo61 ~

Thanks for the link.
 
2012-09-16 08:01:24 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Moderates foster an environment benificial to crazy.


Someone want to translate that?
 
2012-09-16 08:04:54 AM  
I don't get all the rage about this. I mean, if the guy's just cut off the top of the little guy's dick, a beej is the least the guy can do.

/yeah, yeah, aisle seat, smoking.
//this thread as already gone full retard anyway
///probably time for the potato pics
 
2012-09-16 08:05:58 AM  

Mugato: StoPPeRmobile: Moderates foster an environment benificial to crazy.

Someone want to translate that?


yo homie down straight an low make for loco!!!
 
2012-09-16 08:06:01 AM  

indylaw: fusillade762: Is religion silly or what??

As silly as singing the same refrain in every thread about Christians, Muslims or Jews?


Aleprechaunism is a religeon.
 
2012-09-16 08:06:03 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: seek3r: As a Jew I'm just going to point out that most circumcisions don't involve this.

/crazy people exist in all religions

Moderates foster an environment benificial to crazy.


Hmm?

/I condemn the practice the article talks as do quite a lot of Jews if you're somehow implying I don't
//don't think moderate means what you think it means
 
2012-09-16 08:12:10 AM  

Mugato: StoPPeRmobile: Moderates foster an environment benificial to crazy.

Someone want to translate that?


Somehow moderates are supposed to interject them into every event where some zealot does something crazy, or otherwise we are complicit in the craziness.

If you are a Christian and you don't stalk the Westboro Baptist Church and Terry Jones and drown out their hateful bullshiat, you're just as bad as they are.

If you are a Muslim and you don't stop al Qaeda from bombing marketplaces, you are a terrorist.

If you are Jewish and don't stop the gross mohels from sucking little boys' dicks, you're a pedophile.

It's just a lazy way of getting around the inconvenient fact that most religious people are not lunatics.
 
2012-09-16 08:20:56 AM  
So, it's not acceptable UNLESS you cut the kids junk with a knife first.


What a country.
 
2012-09-16 08:32:54 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers

*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine


api.ning.com
 
2012-09-16 08:41:27 AM  
Am I the only person amazed there WASN'T a consent form BEFORE this happened?
 
2012-09-16 08:45:28 AM  
ts3.mm.bing.net

WTF!!!!?

 
2012-09-16 08:45:41 AM  
 
2012-09-16 08:48:23 AM  
What is this I don't even...

How does such a tradition even get started? I'm no Jew, but I have read through the books of Law (Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc.) in the Bible. I don't recall any baby BJs, but I think there was a prohibition or two against consumption of blood.
 
2012-09-16 08:49:40 AM  
Hey... I thought that it was against the law to give a kid a lickin these days?
 
2012-09-16 08:57:03 AM  
Not far enough. It needs to be banned. I don't give a flying fark if your religion commands you to give oral sex to a newborn. Eat shiat and die, orthodox Jews. You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.
 
2012-09-16 08:59:19 AM  

Tommy Moo: You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.type that ragefully into the internets while hiding behind a pseudonym.

 

FTFY.
 
2012-09-16 08:59:21 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers

*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine


I don't give a fark what ethnicity someone is. Criticizing a group of people for engaging in an abhorrent practice is not bigotry.
 
2012-09-16 09:00:33 AM  

SpacemanSpoof: What is this I don't even...

How does such a tradition even get started? I'm no Jew, but I have read through the books of Law (Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc.) in the Bible. I don't recall any baby BJs, but I think there was a prohibition or two against consumption of blood.


Things like this start from things that make sense (at the time), and eventually that reason gets lost. If pork is undercooked, people get sick - so, ban pork. (Islam has the same ban, probably for the same original reason).

Some people are allergic to shellfish, so ban shellfish.

Survival ages ago depended on having a bigger army than your enemy, so anything that promoted a growing population was encouraged, anything that took away from making more babies was discouraged (see Onan).

That whole right hand/left hand thing.


Now that we understand what makes people sick, how to keep clean and practice good personal hygiene, and we don't need lots of soldiers to survive, we don't need those laws anymore, because we have science and common sense. Tradition causes people to ignore both.
 
2012-09-16 09:01:56 AM  
Amazing how those of us who don't drink the religion Kool-Aid are often told when we express disgust and this kind of shiat two things: a.) most people in religion don't believe in X--so don't be judgmental when crazy religious person does offensive/creepy/deadly thing, and b.) we need to have respect for other peoples' beliefs.

I'm all about respecting peoples' beliefs when their beliefs don't directly affect other people. Crazy Buddhist monks who set themselves on fire? That's fine so far as it doesn't affect others. Creepy child molesting priests on the other hand, can't respect religion when that happens. Cock-sucking mohels? Can't respect that, either. And don't even get me started on Muslims blowing shiat up and killing ambassadors because they don't like a shiatty movie produced by some other crazy religious person.

In shorter language, I'm saying, religion is generally bad for humanity.
 
2012-09-16 09:03:43 AM  

indylaw: Tommy Moo: You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.type that ragefully into the internets while hiding behind a pseudonym. 

FTFY.


What do you want me to say? This is a website, moron. All we have here is to post. You want to know my real name? You want to drive to my house?
 
2012-09-16 09:08:59 AM  

Mugato: StoPPeRmobile: Moderates foster an environment benificial to crazy.

Someone want to translate that?


It's an argument that I think started with Sam Harris. You could google moderate religion and Sam Harris and find something more in depth.

In the most basic sense, it's the idea that faith, believing something is true without evidence, is the core problem with extremists yet moderates share that trait. Moderates and extremists have the some core principles and only differ in the extent of their belief. If you validate the faith of the moderate then you validate the faith of the extremist. How can you separate the faith that prayer works or Jesus was the son of God from the faith that gays are an abomination? The moderate and the extremist are both using faith and the Bible to justify their claims.
 
2012-09-16 09:10:30 AM  
I'm not a Torah scholar but I have my doubts that this practice is in there.
This is just plain wrong.
Hopefully no one signs the consent form.
 
2012-09-16 09:11:44 AM  

Tommy Moo: indylaw: Tommy Moo: You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.type that ragefully into the internets while hiding behind a pseudonym. 

FTFY.

What do you want me to say? This is a website, moron. All we have here is to post. You want to know my real name? You want to drive to my house?


Uh-oh, it's mad.

Why bother saying "Yeah, I'm sayin' it to your FACE!" if you're on a website? (,moron).
 
2012-09-16 09:22:49 AM  

indylaw: Tommy Moo: indylaw: Tommy Moo: You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.type that ragefully into the internets while hiding behind a pseudonym. 

FTFY.

What do you want me to say? This is a website, moron. All we have here is to post. You want to know my real name? You want to drive to my house?

Uh-oh, it's mad.

Why bother saying "Yeah, I'm sayin' it to your FACE!" if you're on a website? (,moron).


Well my friends know me as the guy who unapologetically argues the same things in real life. Guess you'll have to take my word for it.
 
2012-09-16 09:38:36 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers

*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine


Don't you people have your own country where you can practice ritual genital mutilation and child abuse?
 
2012-09-16 09:42:52 AM  
Do you still need to fill out the consent form if you're paying the mohel for a half and half?
 
2012-09-16 09:56:44 AM  
That is so gross and so barbaric. Just because something is a tradition does not make it right.
 
2012-09-16 09:59:12 AM  
I wonder how it affects the boys when they are old enough to know that a mohel sucked blood off their dicks. I would think it is a very strange feeling and would affect their thoughts, especially when puberty hits. Poor kid wakes up with morning wood and knows an old guy once sucked what he's about to rub off.
 
2012-09-16 10:00:44 AM  

ShannonKW: Well, this thread certainly wasted no time deciding which was to go.


This way?

crazycrashes.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-16 10:11:41 AM  

Tatsuma: Nothing like a little anti-semitism* to start the Jewish New Year


Shana tova, and ketiva v'chatima tova to all Jewish farkers

*in this thread, that is, said consent form is perfectly fine


Wasn't aware parents consenting to ritual scarification and a side of pedo touching was anti semitism. More like some obscure religious tradition (obscure outside of its own circles) is now being shown in a modern light. And can't stand up to a modern scrutiny unless you make excuses for it.
 
2012-09-16 10:13:57 AM  
I'm already circumcised and I'm in between girlfriends right now. Can I get a rabbi to just jerk me off?
 
2012-09-16 10:28:14 AM  
Proposal: We all consent to Tatsuma getting his johnson sliced by some guy he doesn't know, who will then suck up the blood directly with his mouth.
 
2012-09-16 10:32:40 AM  
let's hear it for following a bronze-age cult in the 21st century!
 
2012-09-16 10:36:24 AM  
Penis... wound... (shudder)
 
2012-09-16 10:37:07 AM  

Mugato: I'm already circumcised and I'm in between girlfriends right now. Can I get a rabbi to just jerk me off?


I was thinking of converting.

/what's white and crawls up your leg?
//Uncle Ben's Perverted Rice
 
2012-09-16 10:38:44 AM  
Does one tip a mohel? 20% standard?
 
2012-09-16 10:44:38 AM  

djkutch: Does one tip a mohel? 20% standard?


I see what you did there....
 
2012-09-16 10:47:26 AM  

mediablitz: Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.

Here's a newsflash: if someone starts claiming antisemitism when none exists, they just might be full of shiat and part of the problem.


Does the same go for calling people racists? I have always thought throwing around the word too much actually makes the problem worse.
 
2012-09-16 10:52:20 AM  

FlashHarry: let's hear it for following a bronze-age cult in the 21st century!


And then justifying it by wrapping it up in global politics.

Seriously, without the rest of the Jewish nation justifying these guys, they'd be on the news like Jeffords or Koresh.
 
2012-09-16 10:54:46 AM  

djkutch: Does one tip a mohel? 20% standard?


Come on, you know those people don't tip.

...babies that is, because they don't have the mental faculties to calculate a gratuity.
 
2012-09-16 10:58:40 AM  

Mugato: ...babies that is, because they don't have the mental faculties to calculate a gratuity.


Hell, I only know a handful of adults who could calculate a gratuity with a rabbi's mouth connected to their freshly mutilated penis.
 
2012-09-16 11:33:07 AM  

Mugato: djkutch: Does one tip a mohel? 20% standard?

Come on, you know those people don't tip.

...babies that is, because they don't have the mental faculties acuity to calculate a gratuity.


FTFY. More Gilbert and Sullivanish.
 
2012-09-16 11:39:48 AM  

gerbilpox: I don't get why this is not considering child molesting, but when you suck a baby's c**k without cutting it first, people get all up in your grill about it, and won't let you babysit anymore.

Seriously, though, why is it not a crime? Is it really enough to say "G-d wants this"?


cut it first = you're doing it for medical reasons, not sick child raping fantasie
 
2012-09-16 12:16:31 PM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.

Just. Wow.


Recursive derp is recursive.
 
2012-09-16 12:21:56 PM  
Wow, thread broken reich from the start. I did nazi that coming.
 
2012-09-16 12:23:40 PM  

mediablitz: I've been told my mutilation is hot.


You should try foot binding.
 
2012-09-16 01:17:38 PM  

mediablitz: my mutilation


I'm getting my infant daughter some breast implants for the same reason.
 
2012-09-16 01:23:00 PM  

SpacemanSpoof: What is this I don't even...

How does such a tradition even get started? I'm no Jew, but I have read through the books of Law (Leviticus, Deuteronomy, etc.) in the Bible. I don't recall any baby BJs, but I think there was a prohibition or two against consumption of blood.


Way back when, it was about their lack of knowledge of diseases. They knew that clearing the blood would reduce the chance of death, but had no idea why.

Now we have gauze and sponges and bandages and suction tubes, so the point of the procedure is absolutely lost. We also know how disgustingly disease-ridden our own saliva is. It's horrifying anyone still does this. But that's religious tradition. :-\
 
2012-09-16 03:10:47 PM  
imageshack.us
 
2012-09-16 03:27:32 PM  

Tommy Moo: Not far enough. It needs to be banned. I don't give a flying fark if your religion commands you to give oral sex to a newborn. Eat shiat and die, orthodox Jews. You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.


Well, you must be the edgiest 14 year old out there.

Protip; if you read anything sexual into this, there is something wrong with the way you think.
 
2012-09-16 03:50:19 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Tommy Moo: Not far enough. It needs to be banned. I don't give a flying fark if your religion commands you to give oral sex to a newborn. Eat shiat and die, orthodox Jews. You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.

Well, you must be the edgiest 14 year old out there.

Protip; if you read anything sexual into this, there is something wrong with the way you think.


Sucking the blood from a baby's freshly cut penis is simply obviously sick and perverted, regardless of whether or not there is a sexual motivation behind it. The practitioners simply can't see it because religion.
 
2012-09-16 03:55:33 PM  

Unsung_Hero: Diogenes The Cynic: Tommy Moo: Not far enough. It needs to be banned. I don't give a flying fark if your religion commands you to give oral sex to a newborn. Eat shiat and die, orthodox Jews. You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.

Well, you must be the edgiest 14 year old out there.

Protip; if you read anything sexual into this, there is something wrong with the way you think.

Sucking the blood from a baby's freshly cut penis is simply obviously sick and perverted, regardless of whether or not there is a sexual motivation behind it. The practitioners simply can't see it because religion.


Would it be perverted if blood was sucked from a baby's knee?
 
2012-09-16 04:22:41 PM  

mike_d85: Am I the only person amazed there WASN'T a consent form BEFORE this happened?


Probably, yeah. A consent form is nothing more than a legal document that states you're knowingly allowing this to happen. All it does is prevent you from claiming later through a lawsuit that it was done without your permission.

Bureaucratic stuff like this is pretty much a waste of time when you've got an implied understanding in a religious ritual. If people feel it's their duty to go through with it, they're not going to care about the risks.
 
2012-09-16 04:58:51 PM  

Tatsuma: Bomb Head Mohammed: I'm not an antisemite, but your preemptive charges of antisemitism might change my mind.

Here's a newsflash: if someone mentioning that a thread like this will be a magnet for anti-semites is something that makes you say 'That might just be enough to turn me into one!'.... well you probably were in the first place.


Damn, welcome back Tats, where've you been?
 
2012-09-16 07:15:25 PM  
Oh, for fark's sake. We've gone over this before.

Instead of catering to the nutjob fringe, New York civil authorities everywhere should just outright ban that practice.

It simply isn't kosher to unnecessarily endanger the life and health of an infant, especially since there are kosher alternatives that don't involve infant cork-soaking.

/G'mar khatima tova.
 
2012-09-16 07:17:43 PM  
No. Sorry, but you cannot give written permission for your child to be sexually molested.
 
2012-09-16 08:25:32 PM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Would it be perverted if blood was sucked from a baby's knee?


It would no longer be perverted, but it should still be banned because human saliva is simply THE most bacteria- and virus-infested bodily fluid. You should not put your mouth on someone else's open wound.
 
2012-09-16 08:53:51 PM  

Ehcks: Diogenes The Cynic: Would it be perverted if blood was sucked from a baby's knee?

It would no longer be perverted, but it should still be banned because human saliva is simply THE most bacteria- and virus-infested bodily fluid. You should not put your mouth on someone else's open wound.


I'm not going to argue for the use of the mouth angle here. You're right that the baby could get infected.

But don't you see how you're projecting your cultural apprehensions onto people that don't have them?

/Not perverted
 
2012-09-16 09:44:40 PM  
Any other group would be charged with performing a lude sexual act on a child/infant.
 
2012-09-16 10:03:23 PM  
"One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -- Robert A. Heinlein
 
2012-09-16 11:24:37 PM  

Wodan11: Tradition, in general, shows how supid the human race really is. If there's ever something you're doing just because it's tradition, that should be reason to consider not doing it.


TRADITIOOOOOOOOOON!! TRADITION!

/if i were a rich man
//yeidel deidel deidel
///am actually jewish by birth, but who the hell cares about racial purity?
////oh wait, some people still do
 
2012-09-16 11:38:15 PM  
Oh, and the cries of anti-Semitism actually remind me of the whole "They hate us for our freedom" or "They hate us cuz we're 'Mericans!" ... or in fact, "They hate us because we're Muslim and they made fun of Muhammad!" ... There's a lot of this going around these days. The atheist leftists seem to be the only ones not claiming to be hated for their race, beliefs or traditions. (What are the traditions of atheists, anyway? There's always the airing of grievances I guess?)

Of course such hate does exist, but to see it where it doesn't exist,.or refusing to see how your group's oppressive or reprehensible actions might piss off others... is ignorant.
 
2012-09-17 01:30:33 AM  

ShobuZukuri: Any other group would be charged with performing a lude sexual act on a child/infant.


No, it's lewd. Ludes haven't been around much since the 70s.
 
2012-09-17 05:35:54 AM  

TreeHugger: What are the traditions of atheists, anyway?


Hookers and blow.
 
2012-09-17 06:35:28 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Unsung_Hero: Diogenes The Cynic: Tommy Moo: Not far enough. It needs to be banned. I don't give a flying fark if your religion commands you to give oral sex to a newborn. Eat shiat and die, orthodox Jews. You are a bunch of child molesting f*cks and I'll call you that to your faces.

Well, you must be the edgiest 14 year old out there.

Protip; if you read anything sexual into this, there is something wrong with the way you think.

Sucking the blood from a baby's freshly cut penis is simply obviously sick and perverted, regardless of whether or not there is a sexual motivation behind it. The practitioners simply can't see it because religion.

Would it be perverted if blood was sucked from a baby's knee?


Less so, but yes. Generally speaking, cutting babies and sucking blood from the wound is odd behaviour.
 
2012-09-17 04:32:41 PM  
I've heard that they originally started doing this because, however many centuries ago, they thought the saliva would act as a coagulant. Surely back then they were aware of babies bleeding to death following circumcision; there's always the danger of the wound not healing, and it doesn't take much blood loss in an infant to be life threatening. For some reason circumcision was important enough to them that they wanted to keep doing it, so I guess the bloodsucking thing was considered a way of minimizing the risk. I assume they just didn't know much about oral transmission of disease at the time.

No matter what they do, any form of circumcision is endangerment as well as child abuse. This is one reason there are activists of all major religions in this country trying to get it banned (or at least reduce its prevalence).
 
2012-09-17 07:38:20 PM  
You have GOT to be kidding me. What's next? Anal rape to get rid of hemorrhoids?
 
2012-09-17 07:55:17 PM  

John Buck 41: You have GOT to be kidding me. What's next? Anal rape to get rid of hemorrhoids?


Maybe not the roids but that's pretty much what happens when you get an anal fissure repaired (SFW probably all text no pics)
 
2012-09-18 12:03:27 AM  
Anyone else glad they're cut? I can't imagine a turtle neck rubbing against the lad all the time.
 
2012-09-18 01:45:39 AM  

djkutch: Anyone else glad they're cut? I can't imagine a turtle neck rubbing against the lad all the time.


If by "the lad" you mean the head of the penis, the foreskin doesn't rub against it unless a guy were to take his hand and roll the skin back and forth. A foreskin is doubled over on itself at the end, so it has two layers. Any friction on the outer one would also have to pull or rub pretty hard against the inner one to bother you. It's sort of like how wearing an undershirt would prevent your shirt from chafing your nipples. It's kind of hard to describe, but it's as if you were to take the skin on the shaft and pull it up over the head. Just imagine there being more skin, and that would be pretty much it.
 
2012-09-18 09:21:25 PM  

cyberspacedout: No matter what they do, any form of circumcision is endangerment as well as child abuse. This is one reason there are activists of all major religions in this country trying to get it banned (or at least reduce its prevalence).


That's an awfully big claim you're making.
It's also untrue. The evidence shows that, on the balance, the health benefits of circumcision outweigh the risks. 

/Infant cork-soaking, on the other hand, is always wrong.
 
2012-09-19 03:44:51 PM  
So how do they prove that any individual patient has benefitted from the operation? The AAP mentions nothing about a followup examination. If they can't provide any documentation, there's a possibility such claims of health benefits could be considered fraudulent.

It's not difficult, in this day and age, to spin the results of an inconclusive or methodologically flawed study to draw a conclusion in favor of a predetermined course of action. That's been done in the studies quoted which make the case for the "benefits" being promoted. I know, this would also be a big argument, but it would be an even bigger argument to provide proof that any of these studies were rock solid - and I doubt we're going to see any proof.

Note that in the full text of the policy statement at the page you've linked, they claim that these benefits are sufficient to "warrant third-party payment for circumcision of male newborns." In other words, they want insurance companies to cover the procedure. This shows a huge conflict of interest, and here's why: doctors get paid to do this.

Many hospitals have undoubtedly noticed that circumcision rates have declined where certain insurance programs, including Medicaid in some states, have ceased coverage of this particular operation. Parents are much less likely to fork over a few hundred dollars for unnecessary surgery on their kid's dick... but if insurance covered it, they might be more likely think it's worth doing since someone else is paying for it. Although insurance might pay less than what doctors could charge parents directly, it would result in a much higher number of operations performed, and actually increase profitability. It's not unlike a retail sale: if you decrease the cost of a product, it appears more attractive to someone who might not otherwise buy it. All that's needed is a clever sales pitch to push people toward the product - and claims of "benefits" to the buyer (or patient, in this case), can often do just that.
 
2012-09-20 12:00:16 AM  

cyberspacedout: So how do they prove that any individual patient has benefitted from the operation? The AAP mentions nothing about a followup examination. If they can't provide any documentation, there's a possibility such claims of health benefits could be considered fraudulent.

It's not difficult, in this day and age, to spin the results of an inconclusive or methodologically flawed study to draw a conclusion in favor of a predetermined course of action. That's been done in the studies quoted which make the case for the "benefits" being promoted. I know, this would also be a big argument, but it would be an even bigger argument to provide proof that any of these studies were rock solid - and I doubt we're going to see any proof.

Note that in the full text of the policy statement at the page you've linked, they claim that these benefits are sufficient to "warrant third-party payment for circumcision of male newborns." In other words, they want insurance companies to cover the procedure. This shows a huge conflict of interest, and here's why: doctors get paid to do this.


Now that takes some serious blinders to pull that "nugget" from the statement while missing the rest. Just how much money do obstetricians and gynecologists make from circumcision?

You know, that page did link to the full paper, which includes methodology and study references. Since you asked, here ya go: Slog away.

Here's a small reminder of what you skipped over to get to your insurance money tin foil hat: In the discussion:
"According to research, the protective effects of circumcision reduced the incidence of heterosexually transmitted HIV by 40% to 60% in Africa where this type of HIV is prevalent.
Among the other protective benefits discovered in the research:
Cases of herpes simplex virus type 2 were 28% to 34% lower in circumcised men.
There was a 30% to 40% reduction in risk of HPV infection.
Circumcised males had a much lower risk of UTIs in the first year of life
."

It bears repeating: "Circumcision Policy Statement (Pediatrics. 2012;130:585-586; http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/doi/10.1542/peds.2012-1989), which also has been endorsed by the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists."

Before you trot out your next objection, a small note: Do you believe that you have the chops to statistically evaluate epidemiological studies better than the task force members? Want to know how I know you don't?
 
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