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(Some Guy)   AI gaming bots are now more human than humans, who average only 40% human. Rob Zombie approves   (botprize.org) divider line 40
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3470 clicks; posted to Geek » on 16 Sep 2012 at 8:54 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-09-16 04:54:43 AM
Imagine playing with a pick-up group of gaming bots that is actually fun and honorable.

/in my lifetime, it can be done
 
2012-09-16 09:01:22 AM
Link fail?

/that URL is probably destroying my computer as I type this.
 
2012-09-16 09:07:09 AM
How are you going to sneak in a Rob Zombie reference in Politics?
 
2012-09-16 09:12:24 AM

Sgygus: Imagine playing with a pick-up group of gaming bots that is actually fun and honorable.

/in my lifetime, it can be done


Meh, unless they teach the bots to say things about my mother, it won't be the same.
 
2012-09-16 09:20:06 AM

RedPhoenix122: Sgygus: Imagine playing with a pick-up group of gaming bots that is actually fun and honorable.

/in my lifetime, it can be done

Meh, unless they teach the bots to say things about my mother, it won't be the same.


I want to know whose job it was to teach the bots racial slurs.
 
2012-09-16 09:21:45 AM
Hm, I prefer the original Tyrell Corp...

youtube
 
2012-09-16 09:38:57 AM
The fark is wrong with people? This is what humans are spending their time doing now.
 
2012-09-16 09:42:04 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: RedPhoenix122: Sgygus: Imagine playing with a pick-up group of gaming bots that is actually fun and honorable.

/in my lifetime, it can be done

Meh, unless they teach the bots to say things about my mother, it won't be the same.

I want to know whose job it was to teach the bots racial slurs.


Michael Richards.
 
2012-09-16 10:11:59 AM
I like that White/Rob Zombie song where he screams "yeah!" That's a good one.
 
2012-09-16 10:12:04 AM

Phil Moskowitz: The fark is wrong with people? This is what humans are spending their time doing now.


You don't think there might be some wider applications of more adaptive, less predictable artificial intelligence?

And I'm sure if I came over to your house I'd find your cancer-curing-kit and world-peace-in-a-box right next to your computer. We all just know you're devoting your time and energy to solving all the world's problems, unlike these stupid programmers who are just making stupid bots. What useless assholes those guys are compared to you, Phil. Can I have a signed picture of you to put on my wall for inspiration and motivation?
 
2012-09-16 10:13:53 AM

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: Phil Moskowitz: The fark is wrong with people? This is what humans are spending their time doing now.

You don't think there might be some wider applications of more adaptive, less predictable artificial intelligence?

And I'm sure if I came over to your house I'd find your cancer-curing-kit and world-peace-in-a-box right next to your computer. We all just know you're devoting your time and energy to solving all the world's problems, unlike these stupid programmers who are just making stupid bots. What useless assholes those guys are compared to you, Phil. Can I have a signed picture of you to put on my wall for inspiration and motivation?


Your sarcasm should come with a warning label.
 
2012-09-16 11:17:52 AM
Sheri Moon Zombie, dump your husband and call me. Same goes to Sean Yseult. I like older women.
 
xcv
2012-09-16 11:43:57 AM
Civilization V has human-level AI if sociopaths count.
 
2012-09-16 12:06:31 PM

skinink: Sheri Moon Zombie, dump your husband and call me. Same goes to Sean Yseult. I like older women.


You're aware that Yseult has aged 20 years and gained 30 pounds since she was last hot, right?

And it's White Zombie, subby. Not Rob's solo work.
 
2012-09-16 12:28:31 PM
I'm working on my WoW bot....so I'm getting a kick....

//AOE looting == free gold for me
 
2012-09-16 12:41:20 PM

xcv: Civilization V has human-level AI if sociopaths count.


Bah!
www.newgameland.com

Awesome,huge game without DRM.
 
2012-09-16 01:02:04 PM
What does AI Mario do when he sees a tortoise on its back?

All I know is you're not helping. Why is that, Mario?
 
kab
2012-09-16 01:06:06 PM

Gormenghast: I like that White/Rob Zombie song where he screams "yeah!" That's a good one.


I like that one that doesn't suck. Oh, wait, it hasn't been written yet.
 
2012-09-16 01:25:28 PM
That's all well and good, until they get caught in a tea-bagging loop.
 
2012-09-16 01:31:45 PM
Seriously Subby?


You probably think Bram Stokers Dracula ripped off Twilight.

Kids. No farking sense of history.
 
2012-09-16 02:12:08 PM
So, they cuss a lot, spit out random racial and sexual epithets, and act like overcaffeinated twelve-year-old virgins trying to act like ITGs? And that's challenging?
 
2012-09-16 02:33:44 PM
Well, Battlefield would certainly be a lot more fun with some bots instead of the way it is now...
 
2012-09-16 02:52:43 PM
SUB-BY!! NICE one!
 
2012-09-16 03:30:47 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm working on my WoW bot....so I'm getting a kick....

//AOE looting == free gold for me


AOE looting now? how farking lazy are the casuals getting?
 
2012-09-16 04:05:47 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: So, they cuss a lot, spit out random racial and sexual epithets, and act like overcaffeinated twelve-year-old virgins trying to act like ITGs? And that's challenging?


Sgygus: Imagine playing with a pick-up group of gaming bots that is actually fun and honorable.

/in my lifetime, it can be done


Seriously. This has great potential. I used to love playing against the various bots in Perfect Dark on the N64. You could craft an excellent multiplayer-type game that was all single-player and tailor it in various ways by tinkering with their 'personalities'. Or you could sling them in amongst other humans and make that game more interesting. I may be over-nostalgic but those bots seem a lot more fun than the kind of typical easy/medium/hard bots that you find these days.

They were fun, but they were also crude. If this work leads to different personality-types bots that could be built by one company and 'bought' by companies to use in their titles in local multiplayer games it would be so, so awesome.
 
2012-09-16 04:17:29 PM

RedPhoenix122: Sgygus: Imagine playing with a pick-up group of gaming bots that is actually fun and honorable.

/in my lifetime, it can be done

Meh, unless they teach the bots to say things about my mother, it won't be the same.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-16 04:36:09 PM

StoPPeRmobile: xcv: Civilization V has human-level AI if sociopaths count.

Bah!
[www.newgameland.com image 300x250]

Awesome,huge game without DRM.


Looks cool downloading the demo now, thanks :)
 
2012-09-16 05:57:40 PM
Ice cream? I love ice cream!

www.student.gsu.edu
 
2012-09-16 05:58:13 PM
I would Travel a long way to meet Eurisko!
 
2012-09-16 06:29:36 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Approves
 
kab
2012-09-16 08:53:29 PM

Girion47:

AOE looting now? how farking lazy are the casuals getting?


Account-wide mounts and titles too. Baby steps towards 'epics in the mail'
 
2012-09-16 09:39:02 PM
www.brmovie.com

More human than human is our motto.
 
2012-09-16 10:57:15 PM

Girion47: Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm working on my WoW bot....so I'm getting a kick....

//AOE looting == free gold for me

AOE looting now? how farking lazy are the casuals getting?


Ya, because clicking every one of the millions of little corpses was so hardcore? I suppose you didn't have auto loot turned on either?

I've seen people blame the pixies casuals for everything, but...you're biatching about AOE looting?
 
2012-09-16 11:56:49 PM

kroonermanblack: Girion47: Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm working on my WoW bot....so I'm getting a kick....

//AOE looting == free gold for me

AOE looting now? how farking lazy are the casuals getting?

Ya, because clicking every one of the millions of little corpses was so hardcore? I suppose you didn't have auto loot turned on either?

I've seen people blame the pixies casuals for everything, but...you're biatching about AOE looting?


I leveled 0-60 in Vanilla as a Resto Druid, that's hardcore. I quit 2 years and 1 month ago, it's sad what they've done with this game.
 
2012-09-17 12:21:04 AM

Your Average Witty Fark User: skinink: Sheri Moon Zombie, dump your husband and call me. Same goes to Sean Yseult. I like older women.

You're aware that Yseult has aged 20 years and gained 30 pounds since she was last hot, right?

And it's White Zombie, subby. Not Rob's solo work.


Yeah, it would have been so much funnier to use one of the ten other former members of White Zombie, none of whom the average person has ever even heard of. With the [Obscure] tag.
 
2012-09-17 01:14:20 AM
Im curious as to what behaviors constitute human, and what are considered CPU, this site and the pages arent laid out too well. Im guessing from their data that they had particular judges compete blindly in UT matches, and were then asked if they thought they were fighting a bot or a dude. Ive played a lot of UT, and a game like that is a bit harder to differentiate IMO than most games. Its very fast paced, without much variation, it's almost automatic. Spawn, kill, die, quickly spawn nearby, die, quickly spawn nearby, kill, kill, die, quickly spawn nearby... etc for the whole match. There isn't a lot of variation in this game to really showcase the complexity of human behaviors in the scope of what were judging.

The best AI Ive seen personally is in Gears of War 3, and they still arent quite believable yet. The only way the game can get a bot to really provide a "challenge" is by cheaply cranking up the damage you take, so you die from just a few shots of bot fire instead of actually succumbing to superior play tactics. The bots don't mirror the average Gears online player at all; on the sensible difficulty (immediately preceding aforementioned cheap "Insane") the bots play much safer than your average shotgun-happy player. Gears 3 battles more often than not end up with 2 people in dynamic, off-the-cuff close range shotgun battles with players jumping and scurrying manicly to reposition after missed shots. This behavior is too complicated for the bots to emulate; they usually end up getting blasted if you start the close quarters shotty dance. Instead youre more likely to find them conservatively behind cover with the longer range rifles, not running straight into balls-out shotgun melees like humans.

I think weve got to isolate uniquely human traits from across the different games. The campers, the guys who play tag around obstacles, the equipment whores (guys who use trip mine/grenades significantly more than average), the no holds barred rushers, etc. and incorporate them into our bots. In private matches online where Im facing a human, and we each have 4 teammates, I can differentiate the human instantly. The 4 AI all fight the same, the human is the only one to exhibit unique behavior...
 
2012-09-17 08:57:06 AM

Clutch2013: Well, Battlefield would certainly be a lot more fun with some bots instead of the way it is now...


Part of the fun of racking up a nemesis streak is knowing that someone out there is cursing my gamertag and perhaps throwing their mouse at their screen.

I'm not sure I'll get the same satisfaction with a bot
 
2012-09-17 11:12:51 AM
Gaming environments as inspiration for developing advanced technology instead of real war...sweet.
 
2012-09-17 01:11:47 PM

D_Evans45: Im curious as to what behaviors constitute human, and what are considered CPU, this site and the pages arent laid out too well.


It sounds like they are doing a Turing test with them. They have opponents play against them, and the ones that fool the most people into thinking they are human players and not bots win.
 
2012-09-17 06:28:52 PM
I'd be surprised if many of the people I've played with online got anywhere near 40% humanness rating.
 
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