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(Reporter Herald)   School seizes 16-year-old boy's rosary beads because they're a 'gang symbol'   (reporterherald.com) divider line 82
    More: Asinine, Thompson Valley High School, gang signal, Manuel Vigil, rosary beads, Sam Morehead, Loveland Police Department, high schools  
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2012-09-16 10:31:33 AM  
The ACLU keeps backing students wearing rosary beads, when the Catholic Church insists that rosary beads aren't for wearing.

When will a judge look what the Catholic Church say and tell the ACLU, "Yeah, about that."?

/like wearing a yarmulke as a codpiece
 
2012-09-16 10:34:50 AM  

Radak: Bonecrusher: Let me guess; black?

Yeah, his name is Manuel Vigil and his mom's name is Antoinette Ramirez. You must be right!

/DNRTFA?


How'd u guess. Since I was GUESSING?

Well done, sir!
 
2012-09-16 10:35:01 AM  
Nobody has given examples on what someone who wears a rosary may look like?

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2012-09-16 10:36:40 AM  

Neondistraction: Bonecrusher: Let me guess; black?

Swing and a miss.


I tried.

Now I has a sad ;(
 
2012-09-16 10:39:27 AM  
You don't wear them around your neck, heathen.
 
2012-09-16 10:41:25 AM  

BMFPitt: Nobody has given examples on what someone who wears a rosary may look like?

















 


Oddly enough my sad just turned glad.

Thank you my good man
 
2012-09-16 10:51:06 AM  

Lyllydd:
Perhaps the district should meet with religious officials, so they can lean that rosaries, stars of David, and hijabs are not gang symbols.


In the case of rosaries, the school is right. It has been quite some time since it was adopted by gang culture.
 
2012-09-16 11:08:01 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Lyllydd:
Perhaps the district should meet with religious officials, so they can lean that rosaries, stars of David, and hijabs are not gang symbols.

In the case of rosaries, the school is right. It has been quite some time since it was adopted by gang culture.


Damn gangbangers!!! Keep your mitts off my religion!!!!
 
2012-09-16 11:15:24 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: The ACLU keeps backing students wearing rosary beads, when the Catholic Church insists that rosary beads aren't for wearing.


I wasn't aware that personal expression of religion (a 1st Amendment right) required the corroboration of the adherent's church.

\that's because it doesn't
 
2012-09-16 11:33:15 AM  

Somacandra: alienated: insert pic of the Bishop from MP . jpg

Yeah, but he was Anglican.

/OK DEVIOUS DON"T MOVE


Came for this.
 
2012-09-16 11:38:11 AM  
No such thing as Catholic gangs?

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2012-09-16 12:02:36 PM  

Lyllydd: Perhaps the district should meet with religious officials, so they can lean that rosaries, stars of David, and hijabs are not gang symbols.


Aren't they?
 
2012-09-16 12:11:53 PM  
wearing a rosary around your neck makes as much sense as wearing yamakas as pasties and proclaiming that you have a right to wear them
 
2012-09-16 12:18:16 PM  
But the little muzzies can wear knives as religious items at detroit schools?
maybe that is why detroit is being bulldozed?
 
2012-09-16 12:21:32 PM  

farkityfarker: You have to wonder about the mentality of a person who thinks wearing plastic beads on a string around their neck brings them protection.


We don't

Animatronik: Donn C. Drummond in Disguise: farkityfarker: You have to wonder about the mentality of a person who thinks wearing plastic beads on a string around their neck brings them protection.

Or that touching a bead = saying a prayer. Of course, mechanized prayer is at least as old as the prayer wheel, and both Jews and Catholics have internet versions of digi-devotion. What's next? Modulated lasers pointed heavenward so God will have to quit ignoring you? (Hmmm. I smell money!)

Another mistake - Rosary beads are used for counting prayers, not as a prayer substitute.

If the numbr of beads is wrong, its probably done deliberately to make it into a necklace that looks like a rosary.


Yep and its not a rosary then...
 
2012-09-16 12:25:23 PM  
And only priests and nuns are supposed to wear a rosary around their neck. It's a purse or belt item otherwise.

If you are going to try and mock us, at least get it right.
 
2012-09-16 01:10:43 PM  
Oh for farks sakes. Time to be smart about anti gang rules in schools.

1. if the gang is not known to be in the state your school is located in you cannot ban things that could be associated with them especially as they could be used as something else as well.

2. If the item clears rule 1 , tell the student the issue and ask him to remove the item and take it home and warn it will be confiscated if he wears it to school again. If item is an article of clothing such as a shirt or pants parents will be summoned with a replacement and said item sent home with them. if this is not possible for any reason, school shall provide loan of replacement item to be returned , laundered with in one week or it must be purchased by family of student.

3. if item is worn again it is forfeit.

4. Give student a chance to defend his wearing a gang associated item if it has an equal or greater link to something else, such as religion or holiday.

5. Use some damned common sense.
 
2012-09-16 01:37:33 PM  

thisispete: Who wears rosary beads around their neck, anyway? Overt displays of piety like that are generally frowned upon in Catholicism. On the other hand, if he really is praying for the soul of his grandfather in purgatory, perhaps he better just keep it in his pocket.


The nuns always told me that wearing a rosary around your neck makes jesus cry.

They might not have been an exactly reliable source as Sister Claira had an invisible, flying cat. God help you if you turned on the fans at the wrong time of the day.

/ spent 13 years in catholic school
 
2012-09-16 01:48:41 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "Vigil's rosary had a red-flagging 13 beads in a row instead of a traditional rosary with 10 beads. The number 13 is sometimes associated with the Sureños gang, Murphy said.

"According to Ramirez, her son purchased the rosaries at teen retailer rue21 and had not noticed the number of beads."

Not a very good Catholic, then.


No shiat. That's the kind of thing one would notice the very first time they use it to keep track while reciting the rosary.
 
2012-09-16 02:04:10 PM  

Sgygus: Can't argue with the school. The Catholic gang roots go back centuries and the authorities have never been able to break them up.


And we are done in two. Well done.
 
2012-09-16 02:21:23 PM  

thisispete: Who wears rosary beads around their neck, anyway? Overt displays of piety like that are generally frowned upon in Catholicism. On the other hand, if he really is praying for the soul of his grandfather in purgatory, perhaps he better just keep it in his pocket.


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2012-09-16 02:25:08 PM  

bullsballs: But the little muzzies can wear knives as religious items at detroit schools?
maybe that is why detroit is being bulldozed?


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2012-09-16 04:09:10 PM  
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2012-09-16 05:20:37 PM  

This text is now purple: OtherLittleGuy: The ACLU keeps backing students wearing rosary beads, when the Catholic Church insists that rosary beads aren't for wearing.

I wasn't aware that personal expression of religion (a 1st Amendment right) required the corroboration of the adherent's church.

\that's because it doesn't


Then you can make up anything you want, make it loosely connected to an established religion, and then tell a school to suck it?

/profit!
 
2012-09-16 05:25:50 PM  

jtown: BarkingUnicorn: "Vigil's rosary had a red-flagging 13 beads in a row instead of a traditional rosary with 10 beads. The number 13 is sometimes associated with the Sureños gang, Murphy said.

"According to Ramirez, her son purchased the rosaries at teen retailer rue21 and had not noticed the number of beads."

Not a very good Catholic, then.

No shiat. That's the kind of thing one would notice the very first time they use it to keep track while reciting the rosary.


>Implying this kid knows how to count to 10.
 
2012-09-16 06:36:44 PM  
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2012-09-16 06:37:52 PM  

Donn C. Drummond in Disguise: farkityfarker: You have to wonder about the mentality of a person who thinks wearing plastic beads on a string around their neck brings them protection.

Or that touching a bead = saying a prayer. Of course, mechanized prayer is at least as old as the prayer wheel, and both Jews and Catholics have internet versions of digi-devotion. What's next? Modulated lasers pointed heavenward so God will have to quit ignoring you? (Hmmm. I smell money!)


The purpose of the beads is to allow the person praying to count the prayers offered. For that matter, when praying the Catholic rosary, the Hail Marys are supposed to be a sort of devout background noise that aids in the contemplation of the Mystery at hand.

OCD + No Rosary in hand = praying hundreds of Hail Marys.

(FWIW, while the hagiographies say that Mary taught St. Dominic how to pray the Rosary, it's more likely that praying rosaries was a practice borrowed from Muslims, who probably borrowed it from religions farther east.)
 
2012-09-16 06:44:23 PM  

Lyllydd: ""We meet with the gang unit on a regular basis, and they do tell us what to look for," Johnson said. "We want to make sure we keep on top of what is the latest gang stuff.""
Another school gets a well-earned fail tag.
Perhaps the district should meet with religious officials, so they can lean that rosaries, stars of David, and hijabs are not gang symbols.


Not in Chicago. The Star of David was appropriated by the Gangster Disciples. The Vice Lords have not adopted hijab, but they did adopt a five-pointed star and a crescent moon -- see the flags of many Islamic nations for that.
 
2012-09-16 07:35:45 PM  
You don't wear a rosary around your neck.
It may have been a rosary once, but that's not what he was using it for.
 
2012-09-16 11:02:52 PM  
When I was growing up in Hawaii, a Filipino gang called the "Pinoys" used to wear those. This is not far-fetched at all.
 
2012-09-17 01:49:06 AM  

sketchywilly: When I was growing up in Hawaii, a Filipino gang called the "Pinoys" used to wear those. This is not far-fetched at all.


That's because it's reality.

When I took "criminal investigation" in college for my minor in criminal justice, the professor (who still worked as an investigator with the county) passed out a bundle of FBI bulletins relating to identifying marks and gang/criminal culture paraphernalia which included marks on coins/tokens, apparel, etc...

Distinctly remember rosaries were an item associated with Latino gangs, MS-13 and the Latin Kings in particular, and definitely the Sureños would fall into that grouping.

Know with the Latin Kings, MS-13 and the Zetas, the groupings and coloration of the beads can actually be used to show rank within the gang as well as deeds or membership in subgroupings like identifying Zeta sicarios.
 
2012-09-17 03:00:05 AM  
15 years ago when I was in school, a Hispanic student was made to cover up stars on his knitted sweater because they were gang symbols.

Bonus: It was an American flag sweater, and the masking tape wrecked the knitting.
 
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