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(Telegraph)   An armada of US and British naval power is massing in the Persian Gulf   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 438
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2012-09-15 11:05:09 PM  
Like they do every year at this time.

ANNUAL event.

Don't tell infowars though. They want you rubes to keep believing (and paying).
 
2012-09-15 11:13:11 PM  
Is that like a flock of seagulls?
 
2012-09-15 11:16:01 PM  
Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

Somebody still uses battleships?
 
2012-09-15 11:19:37 PM  
Farking Israel knows that it's not possible to win an election in this country if you don't back up any bullshiat they feel like pulling. It would ALMOST be worth Obama losing the election to let those farkers twist in the wind...if it weren't for the fact that 2 months later when Romney was sworn in he'd just enter us into the war then. This war will suck for us, and it's bullshiat that we have to follow those assholes into it.

/Worst. "Ally". Ever.
 
2012-09-15 11:21:38 PM  
So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?
 
2012-09-15 11:24:09 PM  

gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?


i48.tinypic.com


Just really sh*tty directors.
 
2012-09-15 11:24:36 PM  

gopher321: Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

Somebody still uses battleships?


No.

And minesweepers are pre-positioned in Bahrain. They don't go sailing there on an as-needed basis.

So I stopped reading there.
 
2012-09-15 11:24:39 PM  

Hollie Maea: Farking Israel knows that it's not possible to win an election in this country if you don't back up any bullshiat they feel like pulling. It would ALMOST be worth Obama losing the election to let those farkers twist in the wind...if it weren't for the fact that 2 months later when Romney was sworn in he'd just enter us into the war then. This war will suck for us, and it's bullshiat that we have to follow those assholes into it.

/Worst. "Ally". Ever.


No one wants this war to happen except the right wing idealogues in Israel (and the clueless right wingers here who don't think for a second about what it would mean to the world economy).

fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.
 
2012-09-15 11:25:57 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert Buttfark ?

 
2012-09-15 11:26:26 PM  
Newsflash: significant amounts of world's oil supply flows through major trade route, United States Navy not entirely absent. More when our programming continues at 11.
 
2012-09-15 11:26:42 PM  
And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?
 
2012-09-15 11:27:15 PM  
My company developed a retraction crane for the minesweeper unit towed behind helicopters. I can't remember specifics, but we made the crane work on a helicopter that uses 30% of the fuel the one the Navy was using.
 
2012-09-15 11:27:19 PM  

mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.


They already do.
 
2012-09-15 11:27:21 PM  
Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(
/Why do I never get any fun.
 
2012-09-15 11:27:27 PM  

gopher321: Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

Somebody still uses battleships?


Didn't you see the movie? They can even fight off an alien invasion!
 
Ehh
2012-09-15 11:28:16 PM  

vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?


Ask your mom?

/Sorry, nothin' personal, this is Fark, etc.
 
2012-09-15 11:28:31 PM  
This is a really bad article that is even below the Televraphs normally subpar standards.
 
2012-09-15 11:28:51 PM  
The multi-national naval force in the Gulf includes three US Nimitz class carrier groups, each of which has more aircraft than the entire complement of the Iranian air force.
The carriers are supported by at least 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships carrying thousand of US Marines and special forces.


I stopped reading at this point. Author is doing an opinion piece disguised as analysis and he can't even get basic facts correct. He's wrong about the air craft carriers and battleships.
 
2012-09-15 11:29:17 PM  
I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time. I just finished reading the Axis of Time trilogy so that might explain it.
 
2012-09-15 11:30:05 PM  
Really? An armada? Should I be outraged or piss my pants?
 
2012-09-15 11:30:07 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.

They already do.


No. They don't. If they DID, Iran would have been bombed in one of the last 17 YEARS Israel claimed Iran would have "the bomb". Yep, 17 straight years making that claim.

They TRY, and our right wing willingly plays along.
 
2012-09-15 11:30:49 PM  
what's armada with u
 
2012-09-15 11:30:57 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Didn't you see the movie? They can even fight off an alien invasion!


And mothballed ships that have tourists on them every day carry LIVE ammo!
 
2012-09-15 11:31:06 PM  

Hollie Maea: Farking Israel knows that it's not possible to win an election in this country if you don't back up any bullshiat they feel like pulling. It would ALMOST be worth Obama losing the election to let those farkers twist in the wind...if it weren't for the fact that 2 months later when Romney was sworn in he'd just enter us into the war then. This war will suck for us, and it's bullshiat that we have to follow those assholes into it.

/Worst. "Ally". Ever.


In before people calling you an anti-Semite
 
2012-09-15 11:32:05 PM  
HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!
 
2012-09-15 11:32:55 PM  
Also more than just the US and UK. It is a bunch of nations. Remember that if Iran tried to close the strait they would be in violation of international law (it is free passage for all nations) and in violation of the UAE and Oman's borders (since to close the entire waterway they'd have to invade both).

So no, this isn't the big ole' mean US getting ready to be mean to Iran. It is a bunch of nations, including gulf states, making sure they can keep the lane open, if need be.
 
2012-09-15 11:33:39 PM  

mediablitz: Don't tell infowars though. They want you rubes to keep believing (and paying).


How else can they keep selling 2012?
 
2012-09-15 11:33:56 PM  
Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?
 
2012-09-15 11:34:19 PM  
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-15 11:34:28 PM  
Who says we let these two theocracies, that have been fighting over the same God forsaken stinking desert since forever, just kill each other off and we use the money for bills?
 
2012-09-15 11:35:00 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?


Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?
 
2012-09-15 11:36:18 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?


It got quiet in the late '90s. We had five CVNs docked at Norfolk on 9/11. But since then? Never.

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

No one.
 
2012-09-15 11:37:10 PM  

Brontes: Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?


That was 20 years ago. They are museums now.
 
2012-09-15 11:37:35 PM  

davidphogan: mediablitz: Don't tell infowars though. They want you rubes to keep believing (and paying).

How else can they keep selling 2012?


Has Alex Jones started his "Obama is going to declare martial law and suspend the elections after we attack Iran" stuff yet? Like he did 4 years ago?

He's nothing if not consistent(ly wrong).
 
2012-09-15 11:37:42 PM  

vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?


Boom
Link

All sorts of awesome.

/not jingoistic
//still awesome
 
2012-09-15 11:37:42 PM  
In an Iranian Video Games arena there is some kid playing pac-man, space invaders, breakout, and

i.imgur.com

That kid is about to become an Iranian hero.
 
2012-09-15 11:38:02 PM  

Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?


We put some box launchers aboard - even looked at swapping out a turret but it turned out it don't work that way. currently, they're all sitting as tourist attractions.
 
2012-09-15 11:38:26 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Sea storm.

Seriously, they should be watching for storms.
 
2012-09-15 11:38:30 PM  

traylor: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]


Exactly.
 
2012-09-15 11:38:39 PM  

gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?


Real men do.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-15 11:38:54 PM  

talkertopc: I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time. I just finished reading the Axis of Time trilogy so that might explain it.


I read it as "missing" myself at first.

And that's a great series, btw. Recommended for anyone who watched "The Final Countdown" and was disappointed they didn't get to stay and kick ass.


traylor: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]


Surprised it took 29 posts for that one.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:04 PM  
Because sucking israeli dick is what the U.S. does best.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:32 PM  

otisrelaxed: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?

Boom
Link

All sorts of awesome.

/not jingoistic
//still awesome


"ballistic cruise missile" isn't a thing. I'm well aware of Aegis.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:41 PM  

vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?


My guess is Aegis Missile Cruisers? I remember a few years ago hearing how we had them between Japand and North Korea/China, I think kinda as an anti missile system; kind of putting a shield up around Japan?
 
2012-09-15 11:40:13 PM  

Hollie Maea: Farking Israel knows that it's not possible to win an election in this country if you don't back up any bullshiat they feel like pulling. It would ALMOST be worth Obama losing the election to let those farkers twist in the wind...if it weren't for the fact that 2 months later when Romney was sworn in he'd just enter us into the war then. This war will suck for us, and it's bullshiat that we have to follow those assholes into it.

/Worst. "Ally". Ever.


Your and you're right
& wright
 
2012-09-15 11:40:22 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Desert Patriot Haboob--Blinding Wind
 
2012-09-15 11:40:37 PM  

mediablitz: No. They don't. If they DID, Iran would have been bombed in one of the last 17 YEARS Israel claimed Iran would have "the bomb". Yep, 17 straight years making that claim.

They TRY, and our right wing willingly plays along.


Well, let's hope for another 17 more...
 
2012-09-15 11:40:58 PM  
Awww Geeeeez Not This shiat Again..

/So when is we going in to liberate them peoples from the Israeli controlled concentration camps?
//Just like what was done near the end of WW2.
///Egypt will do it in another 6 months anyways.
 
2012-09-15 11:41:03 PM  
Cross posted to the Politics Tab? Oh boy, better make popcorn.
 
2012-09-15 11:41:13 PM  

Brontes: In before people calling you an anti-Semite


It seems like as people have started to realize how likely we are to get dragged into a war with Iran, and how much it would suck, there seems to be a lot less "You're racist if you don't support Israel 100%". Sadly, though, politicians don't seem to have gotten the memo.

It sucks, because if they started something after the election, I think Obama would be genuinely tempted to give them the finger. But if they do something before, he wouldn't dare.

Of course, even if they aren't planning to start a war, I wouldn't be surprised if good old Bennie Netanyahu didn't try to piss Iran off enough to get them to shut down the straits of Hormuz, just to help out his old frat buddy Mitt.

/Sigh.
 
2012-09-15 11:41:33 PM  
I'm trying to think of how closing the Straits of Hormuz could possibly help Iran in any way in the event of war with Israel, and I come up with nothing. It's something they would do if the United States already declared war on them, and they no longer had anything to lose, it is not something they would do to retaliate against Israel. Frankly I find the whole thing insulting to my intelligence.
 
2012-09-15 11:41:51 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Desert Parking Lot, I suspect.
 
2012-09-15 11:42:03 PM  

mediablitz: blacksharpiemarker: mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.

They already do.

No. They don't. If they DID, Iran would have been bombed in one of the last 17 YEARS Israel claimed Iran would have "the bomb". Yep, 17 straight years making that claim.

They TRY, and our right wing willingly plays along.


Exactly. Israel attacking Iran is the wishful thinking of a few knuckleheads. Oh sure, some there and here would LOVE to have the US do the dirty deed, but it ain't gonna happen. Moreover, Israel lacks the technical means to pull off any sort of raid that would do more than drop a few thousand-pounders on surface targets in Iran.

But by all means, keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-09-15 11:42:07 PM  

mediablitz: Like they do every year at this time.

ANNUAL event.

Don't tell infowars though. They want you rubes to keep believing (and paying).


True...but it's still rotten timing.
 
2012-09-15 11:43:01 PM  
Mohammed was Jewish.
 
2012-09-15 11:43:32 PM  
ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?

'Glass'.
 
2012-09-15 11:44:34 PM  

Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?


They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.
 
2012-09-15 11:44:41 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?

My guess is Aegis Missile Cruisers? I remember a few years ago hearing how we had them between Japand and North Korea/China, I think kinda as an anti missile system; kind of putting a shield up around Japan?


Thing is that tools loke this guy like to throw together scrary-sounding military words and somehow manage to get paid for it.
 
2012-09-15 11:46:01 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.


What about other countries without carriers? Still might be an effective tactical strike tool.
 
2012-09-15 11:46:51 PM  

vygramul: Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?

My guess is Aegis Missile Cruisers? I remember a few years ago hearing how we had them between Japand and North Korea/China, I think kinda as an anti missile system; kind of putting a shield up around Japan?

Thing is that tools loke this guy like to throw together scrary-sounding military words and somehow manage to get paid for it.


The Battleship SSN Nimitz!
 
2012-09-15 11:46:57 PM  

Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.

What about other countries without carriers? Still might be an effective tactical strike tool.


No one operates battleships.
 
2012-09-15 11:47:39 PM  
what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.

what I do not hope it is- Israel pulling nut hairs and making us back them as they invade iran

What it actually is- Boats being boats and floating around as they are want to do.
 
2012-09-15 11:48:00 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?

My guess is Aegis Missile Cruisers? I remember a few years ago hearing how we had them between Japand and North Korea/China, I think kinda as an anti missile system; kind of putting a shield up around Japan?

Thing is that tools loke this guy like to throw together scrary-sounding military words and somehow manage to get paid for it.

The Battleship SSN Nimitz!


The B-1 ground-attack stealth fighter.
 
2012-09-15 11:48:09 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Topping.
 
2012-09-15 11:48:12 PM  
the_chief: Mohammed was Jewish.

and jesus was a roman. what's your point?
 
2012-09-15 11:49:20 PM  
Go get em America! The current events transpiring are in the bible! ;)
 
2012-09-15 11:49:46 PM  

vygramul: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.

What about other countries without carriers? Still might be an effective tactical strike tool.

No one operates battleships.


Good to know, guess I should have hit wikipedia before asking >,
 
2012-09-15 11:50:19 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(


Or just laser tag. Let's get all the leaders of the Middle East together, lock them in a big warehouse and make it a 'last man standing gets the whole region' thing.

We can even televise it.
 
2012-09-15 11:50:51 PM  
A naval armada is massing overseas? Obama must be on his way to India again.
 
2012-09-15 11:50:56 PM  

Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.

What about other countries without carriers? Still might be an effective tactical strike tool.


Not really, they kind of lost their use 70 years ago. I think a lot of countries that can't afford Supercarriers like the US have their own smaller version, the british created the harrier jet to take off and land on a much shorter boat. Also what use is a gun that can fire a shell 20-30 miles going to be against any of todays missile systems?
 
2012-09-15 11:51:13 PM  

blacksharpiemarker: mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.

They already do.


No they don't. The Islamist have been running things for over 3 decades. Every body else has just been reacting to what these12th century backward a$$ religous shiatheads have done.
 
2012-09-15 11:51:29 PM  

atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.



You are farking nuts.
 
2012-09-15 11:52:15 PM  

Ehh: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?

Ask your mom?

/Sorry, nothin' personal, this is Fark, etc.


It's disgraceful that your first reaction after implying you slept with someone's mom is to apologize. You commie pinko unamerican bastard.
 
2012-09-15 11:52:30 PM  
Maybe they could accidentally send a few cruise missiles towards the Syrian government headquarters.
 
2012-09-15 11:52:59 PM  

mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.


You are farking nuts.


Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.
 
2012-09-15 11:53:06 PM  
Thread Jack....

Julio Caesar Chavez jr. is getting TOTALLY owned by Martinez.
 
2012-09-15 11:53:20 PM  

dodecahedron: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?

Topping.


Fremen

Spice

Harkonen
 
2012-09-15 11:53:47 PM  
Apparently any warship that's not a carrier is considered a battleship now. From TFA: 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships
 
2012-09-15 11:53:48 PM  

omgwtfetc: Ehh: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?

Ask your mom?

/Sorry, nothin' personal, this is Fark, etc.

It's disgraceful that your first reaction after implying you slept with someone's mom is to apologize. You commie pinko unamerican bastard.


My mom's also dead these past 12 years, so I really hope he used lots of lube.
 
2012-09-15 11:53:53 PM  

atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.


You are farking nuts.

Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.


Oh yeah. You're definitely crazy. Completely farking clueless, shortsighted, and crazy...
 
2012-09-15 11:54:07 PM  
Pretty sure I've read this same exact conspiracy theory numerous times in the course of the past 3 years.
 
2012-09-15 11:54:32 PM  

omgwtfetc: It's disgraceful that your first reaction after implying you slept with someone's mom is to apologize. You commie pinko unamerican basta


Your mom has had more seamen in her then every single US Navy ship currently afloat.
 
2012-09-15 11:54:51 PM  

talkertopc: I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time. I just finished reading the Axis of Time trilogy so that might explain it.


I thought the same thing and I have no idea what the Axis of Time trilogy is so that may not explain it.
 
2012-09-15 11:55:05 PM  

TomFooolery: Apparently any warship that's not a carrier is considered a battleship now. From TFA: 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships


John Kerry commanded a battleship during Vietnam.
 
2012-09-15 11:57:10 PM  

styckx: Pretty sure I've read this same exact conspiracy theory numerous times in the course of the past 3 years.


longer than that. I recall it prior to the 2008 elections. Bush was going to use the excuse to suspend the elections...
 
2012-09-15 11:57:54 PM  

vygramul: TomFooolery: Apparently any warship that's not a carrier is considered a battleship now. From TFA: 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships

John Kerry commanded a battleship during Vietnam.


What did you think of Sean Connery's Battleship in The Hunt for Red October?
 
2012-09-15 11:57:58 PM  

wantingout: the_chief: Mohammed was Jewish.

and jesus was a roman. what's your point?


Is this a false facts thread?

The Star Wars Holiday Special is the greatest film of all time
 
2012-09-15 11:59:18 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: TomFooolery: Apparently any warship that's not a carrier is considered a battleship now. From TFA: 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships

John Kerry commanded a battleship during Vietnam.

What did you think of Sean Connery's Battleship in The Hunt for Red October?


That wasn't a battleship.

It was a ballistic destroyer missile guided seasparrow cruiser boat.
 
2012-09-15 11:59:24 PM  
Yeah, and who the hell still uses battleships?
 
2012-09-16 12:00:03 AM  

mediablitz: atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.


You are farking nuts.

Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.

Oh yeah. You're definitely crazy. Completely farking clueless, shortsighted, and crazy...


I am crazy? Friend you are the one thinking that any resolution with a violent ideology other then total war is going to occur ever. One side is already engaged in it, maybe we should drop the pretenses and bullshiat and get with the program.
 
2012-09-16 12:00:19 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: TomFooolery: Apparently any warship that's not a carrier is considered a battleship now. From TFA: 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships

John Kerry commanded a battleship during Vietnam.

What did you think of Sean Connery's Battleship in The Hunt for Red October?


Not as cool as the battleship JFK commandeered in WWII
 
2012-09-16 12:01:17 AM  

zedster: wantingout: the_chief: Mohammed was Jewish.

and jesus was a roman. what's your point?

Is this a false facts thread?

The Star Wars Holiday Special is the greatest film of all time


Jesus was a woman.
 
2012-09-16 12:01:36 AM  
Damn you, 0bama! You sending in your appeasement navy to appease those terrorists!
 
2012-09-16 12:02:12 AM  
Bomb them, bomb their cities, bomb the oil fields, bomb their ports, bomb them back into the stone age - and do the same to Israel, too. If the Middle East registers on the 'news worthy' scale in the next hundred years, then we didn't do our job. Fark them, no lie. The whole region dictates too much concern for any civilized country to be distracted by, if they can't learn to live together then Fark them, and if they can't learn diplomacy in the next hundred years then bomb them again. Repeat as necessary, ad infintum. Yeah, I'm mad, bro. The world is trying to live together (minus Best Korea, and a few other places). But these farkers in the ME are a nightmare concerning world peace, so kill them and try to be thorough, no lie.
 
2012-09-16 12:02:41 AM  
It'd be a hell of a September October surprise (though I'm sure Obama already knows about Benjy Netanyahu's raging war-boner).
 
2012-09-16 12:02:43 AM  
This article covers it nicely


Until now the U.S. and other Western powers have restrained Israel from launching what they believe could be a catastrophic war for very limited gains through imposing what even Washington's flagship Israel-lobbying organization, AIPAC, has called the "strongest set of sanctions to isolate any country during peacetime." And Israelis have long recognized that their threat to take unilateral military action gives them leverage over Western powers to demand ever tighter sanctions and pressure on Iran. When former Mossad chief Meir Dagan last year publicly ridiculed the idea of Israel attacking Iran as strategic folly, Haaretz columnist Ari Shavit excoriated him for letting the cat out of the bag:

The threat of a military attack against Iran ... is crucial for scaring the Iranians and for goading on the Americans and the Europeans. It is also crucial for spurring on the Chinese and the Russians. Israel must not behave like an insane country. Rather, it must create the fear that if it is pushed into a corner it will behave insanely. To ensure that Israel is not forced to bomb Iran, it must maintain the impression that it is about to bomb Iran.
 
2012-09-16 12:03:02 AM  
Preemptive strike on US elections.
 
2012-09-16 12:03:36 AM  

vygramul: Science_Guy_3.14159: vygramul: TomFooolery: Apparently any warship that's not a carrier is considered a battleship now. From TFA: 12 battleships, including ballistic missile cruisers, frigates, destroyers and assault ships

John Kerry commanded a battleship during Vietnam.

What did you think of Sean Connery's Battleship in The Hunt for Red October?

That wasn't a battleship.

It was a ballistic destroyer missile guided seasparrow cruiser boat.


Oh Yeah! Well Kerry's wasn't a battleship! It was dreadnaught frigate submersible aircraft carrier clipper ship!
 
2012-09-16 12:03:56 AM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: A naval armada is massing overseas? Obama must be on his way to India again.


Armadas attack England, I believe.

Call the sea dogs!
 
2012-09-16 12:05:21 AM  

jtown: talkertopc: I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time. I just finished reading the Axis of Time trilogy so that might explain it.

I thought the same thing and I have no idea what the Axis of Time trilogy is so that may not explain it.


Short version:

In an alternate 2021, a UN carrier group goes missing off Indonesia, and pops up in 1942 just prior to the Battle of Midway, and accidentally wipes out the US Pacific fleet upon arrival. Some scatter also hands Hitler, Yamamoto, and Stalin bits and pieces of "uptime" technology. Mostly deals with culture differences (racism), implications of limited tech transfer, and what happens when (among other things) Stalin gets advance word of the Cold War in 1942, when he can actually do something about it.

/Also, it was written not too long after 9/11, so there are references to the whole "War against Islam" thing getting really, really nasty.
 
2012-09-16 12:05:50 AM  

atomicmask: I am crazy? Friend you are the one thinking that any resolution with a violent ideology other then total war is going to occur ever. One side is already engaged in it, maybe we should drop the pretenses and bullshiat and get with the program.


Take another pill, climb back in your bottle. MOST of us want to live out our lives. The violent ideology is yours...

And what side is involved in violent war? How many countries are we in?

You sound like a drunk fire control tech on my submarine. "Let's start a nuclear war so we can FIX THINGS".

Seek help.l
 
2012-09-16 12:07:02 AM  

blacksharpiemarker: mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.

They already do.


well when our President is either campaigning or golfing, someone has to show leadership.
 
2012-09-16 12:07:31 AM  
ive said it before,ill say it again. bring all our people home. draw a line on the map and add a caption"there be monsters there" and be done with the whole area. learn to do without thier resources,develop the ones we actually have and just be done with all these rotten people. weve been placating pakistan for centurys and they are more rotten now then they have ever been. afghanistan seems to think that with our withdrawal that they get to be on our welfare system forever and ive actually read that they "expect payments in excess of several billion dollars anually in perpetuality" its time to shut the door. we got the bad guy but we havent done a thing to stem the tide of thier continued hatred of the west, well guess what,we hate you as well. we didnt want to,we have tried for years to be your freinds,but it just aint working out so you can keep your beatles albums and CAR STEVENS!,but we just need to go our separate ways. hope it works out for you but dont think for a minute we aint gonna do what we have to to protect our way of life(thats right,things are gonna be pointed at you with little buttons that will send a lot of you to allah a little sooner then you had planned.enough is enough. sure,we wont be able to burn 200 gallons of fuel in our bassboats every weekend like we used to,but we will figure it out. and im sure that you will find new trading partners to kiss your ass for a while but eventually,you will develop a hatred for them too(like those buhda loving folks that you destroyed thier timeless statues cause alla h wouldnt have approved them residing on the lands you conquered) sorry we couldnt make it work but the best to you and your leaders. im sure they only have YOUR best interests in mind when they encourage jihad against most of the modern world WE ALL LIVE IN.
 
2012-09-16 12:07:35 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: omgwtfetc: It's disgraceful that your first reaction after implying you slept with someone's mom is to apologize. You commie pinko unamerican basta

Your mom has had more seamen in her then every single US Navy ship currently afloat.


That's presidential material right there.
 
2012-09-16 12:08:19 AM  

meyerkev: jtown: talkertopc: I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time. I just finished reading the Axis of Time trilogy so that might explain it.

I thought the same thing and I have no idea what the Axis of Time trilogy is so that may not explain it.

Short version:

In an alternate 2021, a UN carrier group goes missing off Indonesia, and pops up in 1942 just prior to the Battle of Midway, and accidentally wipes out the US Pacific fleet upon arrival. Some scatter also hands Hitler, Yamamoto, and Stalin bits and pieces of "uptime" technology. Mostly deals with culture differences (racism), implications of limited tech transfer, and what happens when (among other things) Stalin gets advance word of the Cold War in 1942, when he can actually do something about it.

/Also, it was written not too long after 9/11, so there are references to the whole "War against Islam" thing getting really, really nasty.


cdn-8.nflximg.com
 
2012-09-16 12:08:20 AM  

miss diminutive: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(

Or just laser tag. Let's get all the leaders of the Middle East together, lock them in a big warehouse and make it a 'last man standing gets the whole region' thing.

We can even televise it.


Oh, that sounds fun too :)
So nuclear war next weekend :P
 
2012-09-16 12:08:48 AM  
my favorite is the right wing hate of knowledge and science, coupled with their love of bravado "glass" and "parking lots". SCIENCE made us strong.
 
2012-09-16 12:09:00 AM  
"In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise. "


As usual, they put the most important part of the whole article at the very end.
 
2012-09-16 12:10:18 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: blacksharpiemarker: mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.

They already do.

well when our President is either campaigning or golfing, someone has to show leadership.


That's why we elected Obama. We wanted a change from that.
 
2012-09-16 12:10:26 AM  

porterm: I saw CAR STEVENS in Gone in 60 Seconds

 
2012-09-16 12:10:46 AM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Earth.
 
2012-09-16 12:11:04 AM  

Gyrfalcon: YoungSwedishBlonde: A naval armada is massing overseas? Obama must be on his way to India again.

Armadas attack England, I believe.

Call the sea dogs!


What will Ralegh do?
 
2012-09-16 12:11:54 AM  
Can the Nobel people ask for their Peace Prize back?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 12:12:56 AM  

Sliding Carp: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Isle, Operation Gilligan
 
2012-09-16 12:16:07 AM  

miss diminutive: tinfoil-hat maggie: Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(

Or just laser tag. Let's get all the leaders of the Middle East together, lock them in a big warehouse and make it a 'last man standing gets the whole region' thing.

We can even televise it.


Make it a "Hunger Games" style match and we could get a hell of a pay per view thing going...
 
2012-09-16 12:16:33 AM  

JerkyMeat: Because sucking israeli dick is what the U.S. does best.




xtupload.com 
 
2012-09-16 12:16:55 AM  
This is about as no-win a situation as Obummer could get. No matter what he does, he's fuked in the eyes of the voter because he has had nearly 4 years to do something about this, but all he did was show weakness. So Iran is feeling froggy and I expect Egypt to jump into the game one the shooting starts.

And Obummer said that muslims would start to like us if he got elected. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. What a joke we have for a president.
 
2012-09-16 12:17:09 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Is that like a flock of seagulls?


Yeah, but with less goofy hair.
 
2012-09-16 12:21:00 AM  

atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.


You are farking nuts.

Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.

Oh yeah. You're definitely crazy. Completely farking clueless, shortsighted, and crazy...

I am crazy? Friend you are the one thinking that any resolution with a violent ideology other then total war is going to occur ever. One side is already engaged in it, maybe we should drop the pretenses and bullshiat and get with the program.


So I assume you're in the military, then? I only ask because I was in the Army and I got shot fighting Muslims for no good reason, and it seems like whenever I hear sentiments like yours the person expressing them is a fat, balding middle-aged dimwit, a middle manager type, who wanted to serve in the military, honest to god, but it just didn't work out for some reason, imagine that.
 
2012-09-16 12:21:45 AM  
HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.


Whoa....wait a second here....what the heck?
HMS Diamond (H22)

oh....pheweee! mis-clicked that one
 
2012-09-16 12:23:22 AM  
Lando Calrissian used to command a YT-1300f light freighter.
 
2012-09-16 12:24:07 AM  
Can we nuke Israel already? Those farkers start too much shiat,
 
2012-09-16 12:24:40 AM  
tinfoil-hat maggie 2012-09-15 11:27:21 PM

Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(
/Why do I never get any fun.


Might I suggest an initial strike of one max-yield neutron weapon detonated directly over the Dome of the Rock, with additional strikes over what's left of Jerusalem 20 seconds later?

Lights out very fast that way for those poor damned sods. :'(
 
2012-09-16 12:25:22 AM  

Brick-House: This is about as no-win a situation as Obummer could get. No matter what he does, he's fuked in the eyes of the voter because he has had nearly 4 years to do something about this, but all he did was show weakness. So Iran is feeling froggy and I expect Egypt to jump into the game one the shooting starts.

And Obummer said that muslims would start to like us if he got elected. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. What a joke we have for a president.


Obama is so weak, he let Bin Laden hide in Pakistan for 7 years and never really thought about him. Oh wait, no, that was Bush. Yeah, Obama's really weak on terrorists. That's why they're attacking embassies in their own countries and not flying planes into buildings.
 
2012-09-16 12:25:47 AM  

gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?


imageshack.us

/quick and dirty
//the joys of MS paint
 
2012-09-16 12:27:13 AM  

fragMasterFlash: nuke Israel


really... nuke Israel??? so you're OK with all the crazy muslim fuks out there. You think they are just gonna be happy if israel is gone? You dear sir are simply stupid!
 
2012-09-16 12:27:17 AM  

mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.



But America does? What is Israel dictating?
 
2012-09-16 12:27:23 AM  

miss diminutive: gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?

[imageshack.us image 678x928]

/quick and dirty
//the joys of MS paint


LMAO!
 
2012-09-16 12:28:20 AM  
Gentlemen, the missiles are flying.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
 
2012-09-16 12:28:38 AM  

Brick-House: I expect Egypt to jump into the game one the shooting starts.


This man is clearly a Foreign Policy and Military scholar. Yes, Egypt. Good show old chap.

Does it hurt being that retarded or do you just feel kinda numb?
 
2012-09-16 12:29:21 AM  

bunner: Who says we let these two theocracies, that have been fighting over the same God forsaken stinking desert since forever, just kill each other off and we use the money for bills?



Israel is a theocracy? You're comparing it to Iran? Could you be any more ignorant?

Besides, Israel would wipe the Iranian military off the map.
 
2012-09-16 12:29:34 AM  

miss diminutive: /quick and dirty


You will have my babies!
 
2012-09-16 12:29:36 AM  
We should reconstitute the draft. How else could Americans fight for Jesus and jewish special intrest groups?
 
2012-09-16 12:30:32 AM  

intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?


It sure isn't a democracy.
 
2012-09-16 12:32:13 AM  

intelligent comment below: What is Israel dictating?


Poverty for Palestine?
 
2012-09-16 12:32:20 AM  

atomicmask: Friend you are the one thinking that any resolution with a violent ideology other then total war is going to occur ever. One side is already engaged in it, maybe we should drop the pretenses and bullshiat and get with the program.



Start listing the wars in the Middle East perpetrated by those nations

Then start listing the ones started by America

So tell me again who is for total war?
 
2012-09-16 12:34:22 AM  

Kittypie070: tinfoil-hat maggie 2012-09-15 11:27:21 PM

Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(
/Why do I never get any fun.

Might I suggest an initial strike of one max-yield neutron weapon detonated directly over the Dome of the Rock, with additional strikes over what's left of Jerusalem 20 seconds later?

Lights out very fast that way for those poor damned sods. :'(


Doesn't it sound fun, though. First a bright light in the sky and all electronics go down and then the real fun starts, like millions blinded wondering the radioactive waste land, just makes me happy :/
 
2012-09-16 12:34:28 AM  

whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.



According to who?
 
2012-09-16 12:35:39 AM  

whatshisname: intelligent comment below: What is Israel dictating?

Poverty for Palestine?



That's funny since they have one of the fastest growing economies in the world and the highest birth rates. Care to retract your boring accusation?
 
2012-09-16 12:36:38 AM  
redriverpak.files.wordpress.com

www.tom-carden.co.uk

apcmag.com
 
2012-09-16 12:36:59 AM  

Goodfella: "In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise. "


As usual, they put the most important part of the whole article at the very end.



Many people on the internet aren't anti-Semitic or anything. They just started saying how Israel should be blamed for this when it's nothing but a military exercise for all the nations that hate Israel and also happy to be huge buyers of military weapons sold by America.
 
2012-09-16 12:37:15 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Kittypie070: tinfoil-hat maggie 2012-09-15 11:27:21 PM

Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(
/Why do I never get any fun.

Might I suggest an initial strike of one max-yield neutron weapon detonated directly over the Dome of the Rock, with additional strikes over what's left of Jerusalem 20 seconds later?

Lights out very fast that way for those poor damned sods. :'(

Doesn't it sound fun, though. First a bright light in the sky and all electronics go down and then the real fun starts, like millions blinded wondering the radioactive waste land, just makes me happy :/


And besides where are we gonna LARP Fallout at :)
 
2012-09-16 12:37:45 AM  
mediablitz

>>> atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic
>>> nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.
>>>
>>> You are farking nuts.
>>>
>>> Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great
>>> crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.
>>>
Oh yeah. You're definitely crazy. Completely farking clueless, shortsighted, and crazy...

yeah, it's much wiser to ignore them for 8 long years as they repeatedly make small scale strikes against the US and its interests as we build up a reputation as a "Paper tiger" and they build their courage.

Otherwise known as the clinton-doctrine.

That would neeeeeeeeeeeever come back and bite us in the arse.
 
2012-09-16 12:38:42 AM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Desert Storm 2: Electric Boogaloo

/I winz
 
2012-09-16 12:39:19 AM  

intelligent comment below: bunner: Who says we let these two theocracies, that have been fighting over the same God forsaken stinking desert since forever, just kill each other off and we use the money for bills?


Israel is a theocracy? You're comparing it to Iran? Could you be any more ignorant?

Besides, Israel would wipe the Iranian military off the map.


Jew, if 'Israel could wipe Iran off the map', where do the Americans come in? Why is it our responsibility?
 
2012-09-16 12:39:44 AM  

Mutt Farkinov: Yeah, and who the hell still uses battleships?


It would be a good way to get a lot of sailors killed. If you're looking for a bloody shirt.
 
2012-09-16 12:39:56 AM  
Who cares if they do this every year... we need to scare up those oil prices before election day!
 
2012-09-16 12:40:10 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: [redriverpak.files.wordpress.com image 560x331]

[www.tom-carden.co.uk image 500x375]

[apcmag.com image 625x397]


Mideast gambit was my favorite:)
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 12:40:33 AM  
Ahh yes... British Naval "Power".

They sent a destroyer. When you're waving your dick around over a minor surface combatant, you've drawn down your force WAY too much.

I wonder if they bothered to arm it this go-round?
 
2012-09-16 12:41:11 AM  

miss diminutive: gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?

[imageshack.us image 678x928]

/quick and dirty
//the joys of MS paint


you gotta put "Aircraft Carrier" under the actual battleship
 
2012-09-16 12:43:13 AM  

mxwjs: miss diminutive: gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?

[imageshack.us image 678x928]

/quick and dirty
//the joys of MS paint

you gotta put "Aircraft Carrier" under the actual battleship


I would put submarine under the aircraft carrier
 
2012-09-16 12:46:31 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Brick-House: This is about as no-win a situation as Obummer could get. No matter what he does, he's fuked in the eyes of the voter because he has had nearly 4 years to do something about this, but all he did was show weakness. So Iran is feeling froggy and I expect Egypt to jump into the game one the shooting starts.

And Obummer said that muslims would start to like us if he got elected. HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa. What a joke we have for a president.

Obama is so weak, he let Bin Laden hide in Pakistan for 7 years and never really thought about him. Oh wait, no, that was Bush. Yeah, Obama's really weak on terrorists. That's why they're attacking embassies in their own countries and not flying planes into buildings.


To answer this, Im going to do what Obummer usually does and Blame Bush. Because all he did was use the intel that Bush got from waterboarding those guys we caught. So, OBL being dead is all W's fault.
 
2012-09-16 12:46:46 AM  

Girion47: My company developed a retraction crane for the minesweeper unit towed behind helicopters. I can't remember specifics, but we made the crane work on a helicopter that uses 30% of the fuel the one the Navy was using.


And why do we care, trollerio?
 
2012-09-16 12:47:29 AM  
strikefighterconsultinginc.com

Rumored to be the flagship of the US/British Armada
 
2012-09-16 12:49:53 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: [strikefighterconsultinginc.com image 850x472]

Rumored to be the flagship of the US/British Armada


I really want someone to figure out the energy consumption that it would take to keep that in the air
 
2012-09-16 12:50:18 AM  

miss diminutive: gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?

[imageshack.us image 678x928]

/quick and dirty
//the joys of MS paint


Now I want some guacamole.
 
2012-09-16 12:50:48 AM  

intelligent comment below: That's funny since they have one of the fastest growing economies in the world and the highest birth rates. Care to retract your boring accusation?


And in order to have a fast-growing economy you usually need to start from nothing. See China, India, etc. Sorry, but Israel is just a bully that feeds on insecurity.
 
2012-09-16 12:51:30 AM  

Tyranicle: intelligent comment below: bunner: Who says we let these two theocracies, that have been fighting over the same God forsaken stinking desert since forever, just kill each other off and we use the money for bills?


Israel is a theocracy? You're comparing it to Iran? Could you be any more ignorant?

Besides, Israel would wipe the Iranian military off the map.

Jew, if 'Israel could wipe Iran off the map', where do the Americans come in? Why is it our responsibility?


Jew, if Israel couldn't, why would they have won every war they fought without the need for US personnel?
 
2012-09-16 12:52:16 AM  
mediablitz

styckx: Pretty sure I've read this same exact conspiracy theory numerous times in the course of the past 3 years.

longer than that. I recall it prior to the 2008 elections. Bush was going to use the excuse to suspend the elections...
ROTFLMAO Some tinfoil wrapped r-tards at democrat underground squabbling about conspiracy theories does not make it a fact.

The ONLY party whose members have called for suspending elections is...... not bush's
N.C. Gov. Perdue: "Suspend elections"

pacified

my favorite is the right wing hate of knowledge and science,

Yup the RIGHT hates science that's why
Ombama cut nasa while conservatives called for funding.

Who's More Pro-Science, Republicans or Democrats?
- Neil deGrasse Tyson


Science budgets go up under R's and get slashed under D's. No matter what lies pacified tells the facts don't chage.
 
2012-09-16 12:52:20 AM  

Beer Drinking Masturbator: I really want someone to figure out the energy consumption that it would take to keep that in the air


I don't think it's possible for those 4 fans to offset the weight, but they're probably made from adamantium and charged with the power of Odin in comicbookland.
 
2012-09-16 12:53:56 AM  

Tyranicle: Jew,



But don't call you an anti-Semite
 
2012-09-16 12:54:24 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Brontes: Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

That was 20 years ago. They are museums now.


Bastard. Don't make feel old.
 
2012-09-16 12:54:31 AM  

MemeSlave: Girion47: My company developed a retraction crane for the minesweeper unit towed behind helicopters. I can't remember specifics, but we made the crane work on a helicopter that uses 30% of the fuel the one the Navy was using.

And why do we care, trollerio?


How is what I said in any way a troll?
 
2012-09-16 12:54:49 AM  
Oh atomicmask, thou offspring of a diseased flatworm, you shall not address mediablitz the son of Poseidon in so rude a manner!

I banish you in the name of the immortal sea!

Begone!
 
2012-09-16 12:54:59 AM  
Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.
 
2012-09-16 12:55:58 AM  

Tyranicle: Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?


Because there's lots of Jewish voters in the US.
 
2012-09-16 12:57:14 AM  

intelligent comment below: Tyranicle: Jew,


But don't call you an anti-Semite


Oh no, don't do that.
 
2012-09-16 12:58:27 AM  

Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.


Whatever happened to The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend?
 
2012-09-16 01:02:12 AM  
Relax, it's just Rod Torfulson's Armada featuring Herman Menderchuck.
 
2012-09-16 01:02:13 AM  

whatshisname: Tyranicle: Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because there's lots of Jewish voters in the US.


Jews make up between two to three percent of the American population. However, there are more jews in America than Israel. Roughly six million reside here while five million reside there.
 
2012-09-16 01:02:39 AM  

Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.


Yes - we established you're Jewish. You're one of those Jews who hates Israel. We get it. You don't have to keep proving you're a "good" Jew. It's ok.
 
2012-09-16 01:04:20 AM  

malaktaus: So I assume you're in the military, then? I only ask because I was in the Army and I got shot fighting Muslims for no good reason, and it seems like whenever I hear sentiments like yours the person expressing them is a fat, balding middle-aged dimwit, a middle manager type, who wanted to serve in the military, honest to god, but it just didn't work out for some reason, imagine that.


6 years. 4 on submarines. fark off with your generalities. We aren't fixing ANYTHING by starting a farking world nuclear war.

You sound like a lying, never did shiat but breathe my air, dimwit. I don't believe you got shot. I don't believe you did shiat but biatch and moan.
 
2012-09-16 01:04:26 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Whatever happened to The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend?


Don't know. What happened that?
 
2012-09-16 01:04:36 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Beer Drinking Masturbator: I really want someone to figure out the energy consumption that it would take to keep that in the air

I don't think it's possible for those 4 fans to offset the weight, but they're probably made from adamantium and charged with the power of Odin in comicbookland.


Even then, been a long time since fluid dynamics but I don't think you could output enough thrust with just 4 fans, I think you would need to have a turbojet setup with turbine after turbine increasing the thrust. I think a fan has a peak efficiency before you start to loose thrust as you increase rotation rate.
 
2012-09-16 01:05:26 AM  

vygramul: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Yes - we established you're Jewish. You're one of those Jews who hates Israel. We get it. You don't have to keep proving you're a "good" Jew. It's ok.


Well, they've kind of been dicks since they took a hard right religious turn the past few elections. I used to be a big fan of Israel.
 
2012-09-16 01:05:49 AM  

OnlyM3: ROTFLMAO Some tinfoil wrapped r-tards at democrat underground squabbling about conspiracy theories does not make it a fact.


It was infowars in 2008. Who the fark said it was true? All that shiat is garbage. Funny as fark you went party affiliation though.
 
2012-09-16 01:06:01 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: blacksharpiemarker: mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.

They already do.

well when our President is either campaigning or golfing, someone has to show leadership.


Yer mom shows leadership on my cock.
 
2012-09-16 01:07:09 AM  

OnlyM3: yeah, it's much wiser to ignore them for 8 long years as they repeatedly make small scale strikes against the US and its interests as we build up a reputation as a "Paper tiger" and they build their courage.


LMMFAO. Really? Clinton did nothing? Are you COUNTING on people not having a memory?

Jesus. You war mongering farkwits never change...
 
2012-09-16 01:07:32 AM  
Uh-oh. The son of Ares and the son of Poseidon are gonna engage in a gentlemanly bout of fisticuffs.

I shall hide under some furniture.
 
2012-09-16 01:08:05 AM  

nekulor: vygramul: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Yes - we established you're Jewish. You're one of those Jews who hates Israel. We get it. You don't have to keep proving you're a "good" Jew. It's ok.

Well, they've kind of been dicks since they took a hard right religious turn the past few elections. I used to be a big fan of Israel.


It's really after the assassination of Rabin. The assassin got exactly what he wanted.
 
2012-09-16 01:12:19 AM  

Tyranicle: whatshisname: Tyranicle: Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because there's lots of Jewish voters in the US.

Jews make up between two to three percent of the American population. However, there are more jews in America than Israel. Roughly six million reside here while five million reside there.


Why don't we take all the Jews out of Israel and relocate them to Florida with the rest? Totally seems like a win-win. I mean, we put them back there (the middle east) in the first place, we can take'em back out, right?
 
2012-09-16 01:14:18 AM  

vygramul: nekulor: vygramul: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Yes - we established you're Jewish. You're one of those Jews who hates Israel. We get it. You don't have to keep proving you're a "good" Jew. It's ok.

Well, they've kind of been dicks since they took a hard right religious turn the past few elections. I used to be a big fan of Israel.

It's really after the assassination of Rabin. The assassin got exactly what he wanted.


Sadly, I think you're right. The world never learns that the response to these kinds of events is to soldier on, not become a monster to fight a monster.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:37 AM  
I loved that game.

videogamecritic.net
 
2012-09-16 01:14:50 AM  

vygramul: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Yes - we established you're Jewish. You're one of those Jews who hates Israel. We get it. You don't have to keep proving you're a "good" Jew. It's ok.


You know i'm not jewish.
 
2012-09-16 01:15:45 AM  

intelligent comment below: whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.


According to who?


They self-identify as a Jewish state. As "Jewish" is a religion, jow ate they not a theocracy?
 
2012-09-16 01:18:19 AM  

Brick-House: Because all he did was use the intel that Bush got from waterboarding those guys we caught.



citation needed
 
2012-09-16 01:18:57 AM  

dr_blasto: intelligent comment below: whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.


According to who?

They self-identify as a Jewish state. As "Jewish" is a religion, jow ate they not a theocracy?



see bolded text
 
2012-09-16 01:19:20 AM  

Tyranicle: vygramul: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Yes - we established you're Jewish. You're one of those Jews who hates Israel. We get it. You don't have to keep proving you're a "good" Jew. It's ok.

You know i'm not jewish.


You're not?
 
2012-09-16 01:19:47 AM  
media.tumblr.com

It is of no concern.
 
2012-09-16 01:19:54 AM  

whatshisname: And in order to have a fast-growing economy you usually need to start from nothing. See China, India, etc. Sorry, but Israel is just a bully that feeds on insecurity.



Yeah, Israel is the bully. Why it was their wars they started that led to the refugee problem... wait.
 
2012-09-16 01:19:56 AM  

yelmrog: Why don't we take all the Jews out of Israel and relocate them to Florida with the rest? Totally seems like a win-win. I mean, we put them back there (the middle east) in the first place, we can take'em back out, right?


Look up what the Zionists are. Basically there is a large portion of the US population that thinks the Jews have to occupy Israel in order for Jesus to return. This is why some many in the GOP freak out when politicians don't support Israel as they see it being tantamount to not supporting Jesus.
 
2012-09-16 01:21:04 AM  

Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.



Yeah, nothing to do with America butting its nose in foreign politics anywhere there's oil for them to rape from the locals. It's all that big bad mean Israel forcing the world to follow them! LOL
 
2012-09-16 01:22:08 AM  

Hollie Maea: /Worst. "Ally". Ever.


No no. Closest ally. And fark Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK.
 
2012-09-16 01:22:19 AM  

tzzhc4: Look up what the Zionists are. Basically there is a large portion of the US population that thinks the Jews have to occupy Israel in order for Jesus to return. This is why some many in the GOP freak out when politicians don't support Israel as they see it being tantamount to not supporting Jesus.



I think you need to look up what Zionists are.

You are confusing a Zionist with a Christian evangelical and dominionist.
 
2012-09-16 01:23:32 AM  

Kittypie070: Uh-oh. The son of Ares and the son of Poseidon are gonna engage in a gentlemanly bout of fisticuffs.

I shall hide under some furniture.


Come over here and just have fun with some good music
 
2012-09-16 01:23:37 AM  

Hollie Maea: /Worst. "Ally". Ever.



No, they're your best ally. Because without them you'd never have OPEC so willing to make deals with the Great Satan so you can drive your gas guzzling SUV and use more energy per person than the next 50 nations combined.
 
2012-09-16 01:24:34 AM  

sheep snorter: Israeli controlled concentration camps



Yeah they're dying by the thousands each week... no wait that's Syria and nobody gives a shiat because you can't blame the Jews.
 
2012-09-16 01:24:59 AM  

intelligent comment below: tzzhc4: Look up what the Zionists are. Basically there is a large portion of the US population that thinks the Jews have to occupy Israel in order for Jesus to return. This is why some many in the GOP freak out when politicians don't support Israel as they see it being tantamount to not supporting Jesus.


I think you need to look up what Zionists are.

You are confusing a Zionist with a Christian evangelical and dominionist.


Modern Zionism is like dominionism for Jews. It's thankfully more specific and limited to one very small region of the planet, but it still sucks.
 
2012-09-16 01:25:56 AM  
Ahmadinejad's term as president ends in the middle of next year. Obviously he's been a divisive figure. I think things will cool down a bit when a new Iranian president is elected.
 
2012-09-16 01:27:15 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: meyerkev: jtown: talkertopc: I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time. I just finished reading the Axis of Time trilogy so that might explain it.

I thought the same thing and I have no idea what the Axis of Time trilogy is so that may not explain it.

Short version:

In an alternate 2021, a UN carrier group goes missing off Indonesia, and pops up in 1942 just prior to the Battle of Midway, and accidentally wipes out the US Pacific fleet upon arrival. Some scatter also hands Hitler, Yamamoto, and Stalin bits and pieces of "uptime" technology. Mostly deals with culture differences (racism), implications of limited tech transfer, and what happens when (among other things) Stalin gets advance word of the Cold War in 1942, when he can actually do something about it.

/Also, it was written not too long after 9/11, so there are references to the whole "War against Islam" thing getting really, really nasty.

[cdn-8.nflximg.com image 284x405]


(finalcountdownmovie.jpg)

That movie had so much potential but ultimately sucked ass. This is definitely a movie that needs a remake, but needs to be done right.
 
2012-09-16 01:31:15 AM  

intelligent comment below: dr_blasto: intelligent comment below: whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.


According to who?

They self-identify as a Jewish state. As "Jewish" is a religion, jow ate they not a theocracy?


see bolded text


They are a theocratic democracy. If yer Jewish, you get the full rights. If'n yer not, you don't.
 
2012-09-16 01:32:52 AM  

whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.


Israel according to the CIA World Factbook. "Parliamentary Democracy".

But when I want to see an absolutely stunningly stupid statement, I just need to look for a post by Whidbey. They only reason I have not put him on my ignore list is each time he opens his mouth he sets the stupid notch to a whole new level. It's fascinating to watch.
 
2012-09-16 01:33:41 AM  

intelligent comment below: whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.


According to who?


Is this 20 questions?

Or are you actually capable of formulating an opinion all your own?

Israel is not a democracy. If it were, then it would be sharing power with the Palestinians by now. This is a fact. See=Hezbollah
 
2012-09-16 01:36:47 AM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Toppings, I like whipped cream and caramel sauce.


/knows it's really dessert.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:48 AM  
I'm trying to figure out what sort of enemy the author thinks we're going to be fighting that would require three aircraft carrier groups.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:49 AM  

OgreMagi: whidbey: intelligent comment below: Israel is a theocracy?

It sure isn't a democracy.

Israel according to the CIA World Factbook. "Parliamentary Democracy".

But when I want to see an absolutely stunningly stupid statement, I just need to look for a post by Whidbey. They only reason I have not put him on my ignore list is each time he opens his mouth he sets the stupid notch to a whole new level. It's fascinating to watch.


Aye, but what are the requirements to have full rights there?
 
2012-09-16 01:41:03 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: YoungSwedishBlonde: A naval armada is massing overseas? Obama must be on his way to India again.

Armadas attack England, I believe.

Call the sea dogs!

What will Ralegh do?


Bang Queen Elizabeth, probably.
 
2012-09-16 01:41:27 AM  

Dalrint: I'm trying to figure out what sort of enemy the author thinks we're going to be fighting that would require three aircraft carrier groups.


All of them.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:46 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Kittypie070: tinfoil-hat maggie 2012-09-15 11:27:21 PM

Oh, come on can't we just have a small nuclear war :(
/Why do I never get any fun.

Might I suggest an initial strike of one max-yield neutron weapon detonated directly over the Dome of the Rock, with additional strikes over what's left of Jerusalem 20 seconds later?

Lights out very fast that way for those poor damned sods. :'(

Doesn't it sound fun, though. First a bright light in the sky and all electronics go down and then the real fun starts, like millions blinded wondering the radioactive waste land, just makes me happy :/


Would like to subscribe to your fun, scary newsletter.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:44 AM  

Lsherm: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert Buttfark ?


with crude oil lube?
 
2012-09-16 01:46:29 AM  

nekulor: Modern Zionism is like dominionism for Jews. It's thankfully more specific and limited to one very small region of the planet, but it still sucks.



Feel free to link me to a citation showing it's "like" it in any way.
 
2012-09-16 01:47:13 AM  

dr_blasto: They are a theocratic democracy. If yer Jewish, you get the full rights. If'n yer not, you don't.



So the "sure isn't a Democracy" part was a flat out lie on that posters part, and when I call him out on it, I'm the one getting flak.
 
2012-09-16 01:47:59 AM  

whidbey: If it were, then it would be sharing power with the Palestinians by now



Why would any country share power with people who aren't citizens? wut? Why isn't America sharing power with illegal Mexican immigrants? THEOCRACY!
 
2012-09-16 01:48:33 AM  

atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.


You are farking nuts.

Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.


Farking nuts.
 
2012-09-16 01:48:35 AM  

dr_blasto: Aye, but what are the requirements to have full rights there?



Why don't you go find out what rights an Arab Israeli citizen has and report back
 
2012-09-16 01:48:52 AM  

OgreMagi: personal attacks.


Yeah that's real convincing.
 
2012-09-16 01:49:52 AM  

mediablitz: Hollie Maea: Farking Israel knows that it's not possible to win an election in this country if you don't back up any bullshiat they feel like pulling. It would ALMOST be worth Obama losing the election to let those farkers twist in the wind...if it weren't for the fact that 2 months later when Romney was sworn in he'd just enter us into the war then. This war will suck for us, and it's bullshiat that we have to follow those assholes into it.

/Worst. "Ally". Ever.

No one wants this war to happen except the right wing idealogues in Israel (and the clueless right wingers here who don't think for a second about what it would mean to the world economy).

fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.


You're quite right. You will all cheer when Israel is nuked, as iran promises to do on a weekly basis.

But, since Iran is refining uranium for "purely peaceful" purposes, and they are too stupid to actually BUILD an atomic bomb, even with North Korean and Paki help, both of which are incredibly peace loving and pro-Jewish, it can never happen.

Right, Mr Eichmann?.

I will be SO happy when we can resolve the Final Solution to the Leftist Problem...

 
2012-09-16 01:50:04 AM  
Can't zombie reagan.jpg just get zombie saddam.jpg to fix this shiat?
 
2012-09-16 01:50:06 AM  
It's been over 200 comments and still no Tatsume.
 
2012-09-16 01:50:14 AM  
I see no ships in this picture?

i.telegraph.co.uk

Or is that a wake over by Qatar?
 
2012-09-16 01:50:24 AM  

intelligent comment below: dr_blasto: They are a theocratic democracy. If yer Jewish, you get the full rights. If'n yer not, you don't.


So the "sure isn't a Democracy" part was a flat out lie on that posters part, and when I call him out on it, I'm the one getting flak.


Hey, man, I'm not vouching for anyone's statements but my own.
 
2012-09-16 01:50:26 AM  

intelligent comment below: whidbey: If it were, then it would be sharing power with the Palestinians by now


Why would any country share power with people who aren't citizens? wut? Why isn't America sharing power with illegal Mexican immigrants? THEOCRACY!


Don't be a brick.

Google "Hezbollah" and get back to me.
 
2012-09-16 01:52:36 AM  

Dalrint: I'm trying to figure out what sort of enemy the author thinks we're going to be fighting that would require three aircraft carrier groups.


I don't think you'll see the US lead a ground strike against Iran, but they'll probably provide air support.

Would be the worst move in recent military history. Iran isn't afraid of being attacked, and even seemed to be letting Ahmadinejad stir things up, because they know they have some heavy backup with Russia and China, and maybe more. If Israel throws the first punch then it's on. Crazy bastards could spark WWIII, and the US and Israel would be greatly outnumbered. Probably drag Canada and Britain into it somehow for help, and there we go, everyone getting killed for years.
 
2012-09-16 01:54:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: YoungSwedishBlonde: A naval armada is massing overseas? Obama must be on his way to India again.

Armadas attack England, I believe.

Call the sea dogs!

What will Ralegh do?

Bang Queen Elizabeth, probably.


Heh :)
 
2012-09-16 01:54:25 AM  

atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: mediablitz: atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.


You are farking nuts.

Nah, just aware of the world wide situation and not kidding myself anymore. Lets get it over with, one last great crusade against islam, while we still have a penny to spend in the fight and the means to take the fight to them.

Oh yeah. You're definitely crazy. Completely farking clueless, shortsighted, and crazy...

I am crazy? Friend you are the one thinking that any resolution with a violent ideology other then total war is going to occur ever. One side is already engaged in it, maybe we should drop the pretenses and bullshiat and get with the program.


It's sad. You've become what you seek to fight.
 
2012-09-16 01:54:29 AM  
Jesus, this might be the ugliest thread I've ever seen. More disgusting behavior than I would have thought possible in such a confined space. Some of you Farkers really ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
 
2012-09-16 01:54:56 AM  

intelligent comment below: dr_blasto: Aye, but what are the requirements to have full rights there?


Why don't you go find out what rights an Arab Israeli citizen has and report back


Look em up. Their representation in the Knesset is not equal. Full stop. Either they're 100% equal or they're not. I'm not going to argue against Israel's right to self-determination, but they don't provide 100% equality.
 
2012-09-16 01:59:31 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Dalrint: I'm trying to figure out what sort of enemy the author thinks we're going to be fighting that would require three aircraft carrier groups.

I don't think you'll see the US lead a ground strike against Iran, but they'll probably provide air support.

Would be the worst move in recent military history. Iran isn't afraid of being attacked, and even seemed to be letting Ahmadinejad stir things up, because they know they have some heavy backup with Russia and China, and maybe more. If Israel throws the first punch then it's on. Crazy bastards could spark WWIII, and the US and Israel would be greatly outnumbered. Probably drag Canada and Britain into it somehow for help, and there we go, everyone getting killed for years.


images.elephantjournal.com
 
2012-09-16 02:00:14 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: I don't think you'll see the US lead a ground strike against Iran, but they'll probably provide air support.

Would be the worst move in recent military history. Iran isn't afraid of being attacked, and even seemed to be letting Ahmadinejad stir things up, because they know they have some heavy backup with Russia and China, and maybe more. If Israel throws the first punch then it's on. Crazy bastards could spark WWIII, and the US and Israel would be greatly outnumbered. Probably drag Canada and Britain into it somehow for help, and there we go, everyone getting killed for years.


You know, I don't want this to happen, but I have to admit I'm genuinely curious about how it would all play out. There hasn't been a real war since the modernization of military hardware, just little conflicts with a few countries throwing crap at each other. Wars aren't going to be grunts on the ground anymore, so...how will it work out? Satellites hurling missiles at each other? Drone dog fights?

You can't even really have massive fleet battles anymore because almost all of the 'top' battle groups are American and European.

Assuming it isn't just nukes all the way down, of course.
 
2012-09-16 02:00:44 AM  

dr_blasto: intelligent comment below: dr_blasto: Aye, but what are the requirements to have full rights there?


Why don't you go find out what rights an Arab Israeli citizen has and report back

Look em up. Their representation in the Knesset is not equal. Full stop. Either they're 100% equal or they're not. I'm not going to argue against Israel's right to self-determination, but they don't provide 100% equality.


Of course not. The Israeli government is dominated by right wing nuts who make the Republicans look like the League of Women Voters.

Democracy? A stable democracy doesn't have miles of ugly stories-high walls to keep people out.
 
2012-09-16 02:00:56 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.


The USS Missouri is at Ford Island, Hawaii, next to the Arizona Memorial. (Maybe all the Japanese tourists can appreciate the plaque on the deck where the Surrender was signed...)
The USS Iowa is at Mare Island, Vallejo, Ca. I think the plan is to open the museum in the spring.
Uss Alabama, Mobile
USS Wisconsin, Norfolk.

Those were the last active BBs.

 
2012-09-16 02:04:33 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Dalrint: I'm trying to figure out what sort of enemy the author thinks we're going to be fighting that would require three aircraft carrier groups.

I don't think you'll see the US lead a ground strike against Iran, but they'll probably provide air support.

Would be the worst move in recent military history. Iran isn't afraid of being attacked, and even seemed to be letting Ahmadinejad stir things up, because they know they have some heavy backup with Russia and China, and maybe more. If Israel throws the first punch then it's on. Crazy bastards could spark WWIII, and the US and Israel would be greatly outnumbered. Probably drag Canada and Britain into it somehow for help, and there we go, everyone getting killed for years.


Unless you're suggesting nukes, there's very little Russia or China could do to lend any kind of support. Russia's military is poorly trained these days and China has no power projection capability worth mentioning.
 
2012-09-16 02:08:10 AM  

whcrow: I see no ships in this picture?

[i.telegraph.co.uk image 620x387]

Or is that a wake over by Qatar?


Those itty-bitty white dots are supertankers.

The wake is probably Filipino Monkey practicing for doing donuts around a US carrier.
 
2012-09-16 02:09:24 AM  

daxxenos: Science_Guy_3.14159: Brontes: Science_Guy_3.14159: Okay 2 things,

1) This is news? Since when do we not have a massive amount of navy ships in the persian gulf?

B) Who the hell still uses battleships?

Aren't battleships cruise missile boats now? Isn't how we used ours in Gulf War 1?

They were, I believe Regan had them overhauled in the 80s but after the Gulf War I am 99.9% sure they have all been taken out of active service. I don't know if all of them are floating museums now, some might just be sitting around decommissioned at a navy base.

The USS Missouri is at Ford Island, Hawaii, next to the Arizona Memorial. (Maybe all the Japanese tourists can appreciate the plaque on the deck where the Surrender was signed...)
The USS Iowa is at Mare Island, Vallejo, Ca. I think the plan is to open the museum in the spring.
Uss Alabama, Mobile
USS Wisconsin, Norfolk.Those were the last active BBs.


USS New Jersey. I think Alabama deconned way earlier.
 
2012-09-16 02:09:54 AM  

Dalrint: You know, I don't want this to happen, but I have to admit I'm genuinely curious about how it would all play out. There hasn't been a real war since the modernization of military hardware, just little conflicts with a few countries throwing crap at each other. Wars aren't going to be grunts on the ground anymore, so...how will it work out? Satellites hurling missiles at each other? Drone dog fights?

You can't even really have massive fleet battles anymore because almost all of the 'top' battle groups are American and European.

Assuming it isn't just nukes all the way down, of course.


There's not really any need for nukes anymore. Except maybe for the EMP effect but i'd be willing to bet they have more efficient ways of doing that by now. I'm very curious how it would play out too, but it's exactly what the world doesn't need. And i hope i'm wrong, but you must be blind not to see how countries are all aligning with this issue, it could be a tipping point.
 
2012-09-16 02:10:42 AM  
Freschel 2012-09-16 01:50:06 AM

It's been over 200 comments and still no Tatsume.

Praise the twelve lords for that.
 
2012-09-16 02:13:27 AM  

daxxenos: The USS Iowa is at Mare Island, Vallejo, Ca. I think the plan is to open the museum in the spring.


She left Mare Island for her final home at San Pedro in Los Angeles back in May of this year.
 
2012-09-16 02:15:39 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: J. Frank Parnell: Beer Drinking Masturbator: I really want someone to figure out the energy consumption that it would take to keep that in the air

I don't think it's possible for those 4 fans to offset the weight, but they're probably made from adamantium and charged with the power of Odin in comicbookland.

Even then, been a long time since fluid dynamics but I don't think you could output enough thrust with just 4 fans, I think you would need to have a turbojet setup with turbine after turbine increasing the thrust. I think a fan has a peak efficiency before you start to loose thrust as you increase rotation rate.


It's called "cavitation" and is a function of the aerodynamic efficiency of the turbine blade airfoil, the speed of rotation, and angle of attack. (This is for Democrats. The ones who have a PHD in Poli Sci, and can't change a tire. In other words, useless drones.)
 
2012-09-16 02:15:46 AM  

ArkAngel: Desert ________ ?


Finale?

/yeah right
 
2012-09-16 02:16:38 AM  

vygramul: Unless you're suggesting nukes, there's very little Russia or China could do to lend any kind of support. Russia's military is poorly trained these days and China has no power projection capability worth mentioning.


I guarantee Russia has some cards up its sleeve, and China has the largest military in the world. They're just one secret project away from having power projection. Oh, and of course North Korea would jump on board, and you'd have them too. The US would be foolish to think they know exactly what all their capabilities are. Any decision to attack would be foolhardy.
 
2012-09-16 02:20:33 AM  
This is disgusting to me.

It's almost like we don't even really have a UN anymore. It's just up to the strongest country in the region calling the shots.

No wonder countries like Iran might want to develop an advanced weapons program. Israel disgusts me. So does the fact that every major power won't or can't seem to stand up to it.
 
2012-09-16 02:23:26 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: vygramul: Unless you're suggesting nukes, there's very little Russia or China could do to lend any kind of support. Russia's military is poorly trained these days and China has no power projection capability worth mentioning.

I guarantee Russia has some cards up its sleeve, and China has the largest military in the world. They're just one secret project away from having power projection. Oh, and of course North Korea would jump on board, and you'd have them too. The US would be foolish to think they know exactly what all their capabilities are. Any decision to attack would be foolhardy.


Russia ain't got squat. Heck, it turns out they were pretty much a paper tiger since about the mid-'60s. China is not going to be projecting power anytime soon. Not to Iran they're not. 20 years from now, anything could happen. But not today.

And just what is NK going to do, exactly? Start rolling out artillery from their bomb-proof caves to start setting up to shell Seoul? Not bloody likely.
 
2012-09-16 02:27:37 AM  
Can someone just tell Ahmadinejad that allah does not like nuclear stuff.


/And that the holocaust was real.
 
2012-09-16 02:27:39 AM  

whidbey: This is disgusting to me.

It's almost like we don't even really have a UN anymore. It's just up to the strongest country in the region calling the shots.

No wonder countries like Iran might want to develop an advanced weapons program. Israel disgusts me. So does the fact that every major power won't or can't seem to stand up to it.


A lot of these guys kind of made their beds when they chose to align with the Soviet Union. I'm not over-fond of Israel, but people can't even agree on the hostory, much less the right solution for today.
 
2012-09-16 02:28:46 AM  

Radioactive Ass: daxxenos: The USS Iowa is at Mare Island, Vallejo, Ca. I think the plan is to open the museum in the spring.

She left Mare Island for her final home at San Pedro in Los Angeles back in May of this year.


Thanks, I knew the original intent was Fisherman's wharf, near the SS Pampinato, but the Berzerkly/SF Retards didn't like the idea of advertizing the cost of the freedom to sit in trees, stink, and protest.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:01 AM  

vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?



Google is your friend
 
2012-09-16 02:33:26 AM  

vygramul: Russia ain't got squat. Heck, it turns out they were pretty much a paper tiger since about the mid-'60s. China is not going to be projecting power anytime soon. Not to Iran they're not. 20 years from now, anything could happen. But not today.


Active military of Russia, China, and North Korea combined: 4,418,000

Active military of America and Israel: 1,634,719

I wouldn't take that chance.
 
2012-09-16 02:35:01 AM  

vygramul: J. Frank Parnell: vygramul: Unless you're suggesting nukes, there's very little Russia or China could do to lend any kind of support. Russia's military is poorly trained these days and China has no power projection capability worth mentioning.

I guarantee Russia has some cards up its sleeve, and China has the largest military in the world. They're just one secret project away from having power projection. Oh, and of course North Korea would jump on board, and you'd have them too. The US would be foolish to think they know exactly what all their capabilities are. Any decision to attack would be foolhardy.

Russia ain't got squat. Heck, it turns out they were pretty much a paper tiger since about the mid-'60s. China is not going to be projecting power anytime soon. Not to Iran they're not. 20 years from now, anything could happen. But not today.

And just what is NK going to do, exactly? Start rolling out artillery from their bomb-proof caves to start setting up to shell Seoul? Not bloody likely.


When Iran nukes Tel Aviv, and Dear Loser promises to send a harsh letter, the Norks will strike, 2 weeks later, once the Pacific Fleet, (what's left of it...) is well past Sri Lanka on the way to the Gulf.

The WH and the Democrats will cheer, and Teheran will vanish in a final Israeli strike. The US will do shiat.

 
2012-09-16 02:35:54 AM  

vygramul: whidbey: This is disgusting to me.

It's almost like we don't even really have a UN anymore. It's just up to the strongest country in the region calling the shots.

No wonder countries like Iran might want to develop an advanced weapons program. Israel disgusts me. So does the fact that every major power won't or can't seem to stand up to it.

A lot of these guys kind of made their beds when they chose to align with the Soviet Union. I'm not over-fond of Israel, but people can't even agree on the hostory, much less the right solution for today.


Seeing as how the Soviet Union was surprisingly one of the biggest proponents for Israel since the beginning, not sure what your point is.
 
2012-09-16 02:39:22 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: vygramul: Russia ain't got squat. Heck, it turns out they were pretty much a paper tiger since about the mid-'60s. China is not going to be projecting power anytime soon. Not to Iran they're not. 20 years from now, anything could happen. But not today.

Active military of Russia, China, and North Korea combined: 4,418,000

Active military of America and Israel: 1,634,719

I wouldn't take that chance.


You do know that they don't get to fight us unless we visit them, right? This isn't Risk. They need to be able to provide logistical support to get from there to wherever they want to fight us.
 
2012-09-16 02:40:27 AM  

daxxenos: vygramul: J. Frank Parnell: vygramul: Unless you're suggesting nukes, there's very little Russia or China could do to lend any kind of support. Russia's military is poorly trained these days and China has no power projection capability worth mentioning.

I guarantee Russia has some cards up its sleeve, and China has the largest military in the world. They're just one secret project away from having power projection. Oh, and of course North Korea would jump on board, and you'd have them too. The US would be foolish to think they know exactly what all their capabilities are. Any decision to attack would be foolhardy.

Russia ain't got squat. Heck, it turns out they were pretty much a paper tiger since about the mid-'60s. China is not going to be projecting power anytime soon. Not to Iran they're not. 20 years from now, anything could happen. But not today.

And just what is NK going to do, exactly? Start rolling out artillery from their bomb-proof caves to start setting up to shell Seoul? Not bloody likely.

When Iran nukes Tel Aviv, and Dear Loser promises to send a harsh letter, the Norks will strike, 2 weeks later, once the Pacific Fleet, (what's left of it...) is well past Sri Lanka on the way to the Gulf. The WH and the Democrats will cheer, and Teheran will vanish in a final Israeli strike. The US will do shiat.


That sounds like it would make a better movie than military analysis, and it would be a pretty shiatty movie.
 
2012-09-16 02:41:37 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?


Google is your friend


Google doesn't seem to think such a thing exists either.
 
2012-09-16 02:42:50 AM  
Just another Obama foreighn policy disaster.

But hey, it's okay because he spent time Indonesia and the Mooooslums wouldn't hate him like they hated Bush.

Soution: let's blame it all on a movie in a language they don't speak and a video they didn't see It's the Fundy's that are at fault!!!

/Ask a protester why there are protesting: answer 1: Drone strkes. Answer 2: Israel is still supported by the U.S. Answer 3: Arabs believe Americans murdered OBL and unrest staring on 9/11. Answer 4: Obama yanked security from the embassy and it was easy.
 
2012-09-16 02:42:50 AM  

whidbey: vygramul: whidbey: This is disgusting to me.

It's almost like we don't even really have a UN anymore. It's just up to the strongest country in the region calling the shots.

No wonder countries like Iran might want to develop an advanced weapons program. Israel disgusts me. So does the fact that every major power won't or can't seem to stand up to it.

A lot of these guys kind of made their beds when they chose to align with the Soviet Union. I'm not over-fond of Israel, but people can't even agree on the hostory, much less the right solution for today.

Seeing as how the Soviet Union was surprisingly one of the biggest proponents for Israel since the beginning, not sure what your point is.


Ever wonder why almost all of Israel's enemies seem to have mostly Soviet arms?
 
2012-09-16 02:43:32 AM  

mediablitz: fark you Israel. You don't get to dictate to the world.


YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Strangely enough, the rest of the world could: a) ignore israel or 2) attack israel.

So technically, israel aint doing squat. the rest of the world is letting israel do whatever it wants.
better yet, what they want to do, but dont have big enough stones to do on their own.
 
2012-09-16 02:43:51 AM  

whidbey: vygramul: whidbey: This is disgusting to me.

It's almost like we don't even really have a UN anymore. It's just up to the strongest country in the region calling the shots.

No wonder countries like Iran might want to develop an advanced weapons program. Israel disgusts me. So does the fact that every major power won't or can't seem to stand up to it.

A lot of these guys kind of made their beds when they chose to align with the Soviet Union. I'm not over-fond of Israel, but people can't even agree on the hostory, much less the right solution for today.

Seeing as how the Soviet Union was surprisingly one of the biggest proponents for Israel since at the beginning, not sure what your point is.

 
2012-09-16 02:44:03 AM  

vygramul: You do know that they don't get to fight us unless we visit them, right? This isn't Risk. They need to be able to provide logistical support to get from there to wherever they want to fight us.


China is a manufacturing giant. If they wanted to bad enough they could build a vehicle for each soldier. Perhaps talk to Japan about designing those Gundam things. That would blow everyones mind.
 
2012-09-16 02:47:00 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Active military of Russia, China, and North Korea combined: 4,418,000

Active military of America and Israel: 1,634,719

I wouldn't take that chance.


They have to get there first... and then keep them supplied. That's not to mention the sad state of their equipment. Manpower (in the form of cannon fodder) can only get you so far nowadays.

whidbey: Seeing as how the Soviet Union was surprisingly one of the biggest proponents for Israel since the beginning, not sure what your point is.


The Soviets just wanted to get rid of their own Jewish "Problem" (mainly political dissidents at the time). Soon after they left the USSR started selling arms to Israels neighbors and tried to make some of them into puppet states with varying degrees of success.
 
2012-09-16 02:47:57 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: vygramul: You do know that they don't get to fight us unless we visit them, right? This isn't Risk. They need to be able to provide logistical support to get from there to wherever they want to fight us.

China is a manufacturing giant. If they wanted to bad enough they could build a vehicle for each soldier. Perhaps talk to Japan about designing those Gundam things. That would blow everyones mind.


Uh-huh. It takes a little more than being able to build plastic chotchkies. China is not there yet.
 
2012-09-16 02:50:59 AM  
Just saying It's never good to underestimate your enemies, and i hear a lot of that here.
 
2012-09-16 02:51:37 AM  

daxxenos: Radioactive Ass: daxxenos: The USS Iowa is at Mare Island, Vallejo, Ca. I think the plan is to open the museum in the spring.

She left Mare Island for her final home at San Pedro in Los Angeles back in May of this year.

Thanks, I knew the original intent was Fisherman's wharf, near the SS Pampinato, but the Berzerkly/SF Retards didn't like the idea of advertizing the cost of the freedom to sit in trees, stink, and protest.


Ive been down that way a couple times, is that where the LA Fire boats are?
Anyone here in So Cal want to plan a trip down there?
 
2012-09-16 02:57:22 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: Just saying It's never good to underestimate your enemies, and i hear a lot of that here.


Our competitors are also not bogiemen hiding in our closets with supernatural forces, someing people seem to think because they played Battlefield 2 and the J-10 was superior to the F-35 in the game, so it must be in real life, too.
 
2012-09-16 02:59:17 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: vygramul: Russia ain't got squat. Heck, it turns out they were pretty much a paper tiger since about the mid-'60s. China is not going to be projecting power anytime soon. Not to Iran they're not. 20 years from now, anything could happen. But not today.

Active military of Russia, China, and North Korea combined: 4,418,000

Active military of America and Israel: 1,634,719

I wouldn't take that chance.


Country that has A-10s: America.
 
2012-09-16 03:02:03 AM  

vygramul: Our competitors are also not bogiemen hiding in our closets with supernatural forces


Maybe they are. Maybe they are.
 
2012-09-16 03:08:44 AM  
FTFA: Battleships, aircraft carriers, minesweepers and submarines from 25 nations are converging on the strategically important Strait of Hormuz in an unprecedented show of force as Israel and Iran move towards the brink of war.

Holy crap! OMFG! We're all going to die!

FTFA: In preparation for any pre-emptive or retaliatory action by Iran, warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, will today begin an annual 12-day exercise.

Oh... It's an annual exercise. Okay. Never mind the previous "holy crap"...
 
2012-09-16 03:19:14 AM  
It's kinda funny, but I think we're all getting it backwards. A lot of people think it's Israel dictating to the world. Of course, that's how it looks. But let's look at the facts and a map of the Middle East. Iran is almost completely surrounded by countries that either have American troops or are in some way allied with America and the West and all play some part in the supply of oil.

The article states it plainly. The western countries need oil (to maintain the upward flow of money) and the only significant piece of the puzzle left is Iran.

Israel is taking the heat with some ridiculous claim of feeling threatened by nuclear weapons when we all know that if Iran really wanted to annihilate Israel they already could with chemical and biological weapons. Yeah, Israel is the fall guy. That's the price you pay for accepting billions in weapons and aid.

What will actually come of this? Who the fark knows. My thoughts: America will continue slowly deteriorating with a lot its people numbed into not caring and while some actually await the collapse excitedly. The Arab states will continue self-destructing thus opening the possibility for dictators who lean westward (e.g. Afghanistan). And Israel? Hopefully it will not be sacrificed on the altar as happens to the Jews from time to time.

We all gotta remember that the Israeli citizens do not want this shiat just like the Iranian citizens do not want this shiat. Our non-elected leaders (let's face it, we can't trust any election these days) are taking us to bad places because bad people want them to. fark them. Life is hard enough as it is. Let's please not buy in to the popular story line they're giving us. Our distrust of anything and everything on the TV, radio, newspapers, etc. especially that told to us by politicians is the first step to breaking their grip.
 
2012-09-16 03:20:33 AM  

gleaningtheboob: It's kinda funny, but I think we're all getting it backwards. A lot of people think it's Israel dictating to the world. Of course, that's how it looks. But let's look at the facts and a map of the Middle East. Iran is almost completely surrounded by countries that either have American troops or are in some way allied with America and the West and all play some part in the supply of oil.


You did notice Bibi stumping for Romney, right?
 
2012-09-16 03:34:27 AM  

Sabyen91: You did notice Bibi stumping for Romney, right?


And? What's your point?

The fact is that Israel doesn't do shiat unless they are given permission, even if the permission is not made public. Ask yourself: what is Israel to gain from attacking Iran? will they gain economically? will it magically solve all of their problems?

Israel is a resource poor country which relies on the West for economic support. Its politicians are all crooked and it is really no more than a upscale banana republic (in fact they really do export tons of bananas to Europe). Would Bibi sell his people out? I don't doubt it.

What makes more sense? Israel deciding to commit suicide because OH NOES! THAT BAD LITTLE MAN SAYS MEAN THINGS! Or, because the West's economy is seriously struggling and the only guarantee to maintaining the status quo for a little while longer is to lock in more oil resources. The only way the West can do this while limiting blowback is to hang Israel out as the cause of things.
 
2012-09-16 03:34:59 AM  
i.imgur.com
Good thing it's all legitimate, amiright?
 
2012-09-16 03:36:42 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: You did notice Bibi stumping for Romney, right?

And? What's your point?

The fact is that Israel doesn't do shiat unless they are given permission


Did the US give Bibi the permission to meddle in the election?
 
2012-09-16 03:38:44 AM  

vygramul: HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!


The Germans sank the Bismark.
 
2012-09-16 03:41:21 AM  

gleaningtheboob: The only way the West can do this while limiting blowback is to hang Israel out as the cause of things.


Actually, it's not the only way. It's one way. The other is to create major instabilities in the Arab world. Huh, kinda like we're seeing now. Funny the timing of things. How is it possible that some silly YouTube video causes such exaggerated reactions. This is shiat is being stoked intentionally.
 
2012-09-16 03:43:37 AM  

Shadow Blasko: vygramul: HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!

The Germans sank the Bismark.


Are you sure you are talking about the right ship? The Brits sank the Bismarck.
 
2012-09-16 03:45:00 AM  
I'm not a right-wing idealogue... I'm just tired of this crap.
Somebody needs to put the smack down on these idiots...the sooner the better.
I picture the current administration's apologetic stance to be quite similar to Neville Chamberlain("I have met with Mr. Hitler, and he seems quite an agreeable chap").
Appeasement will never work with these folks.
Let's just do the violence, do it hard, and get it done with...
 
2012-09-16 03:48:56 AM  

Sabyen91: Did the US give Bibi the permission to meddle in the election?



Why not? Bibi is in contact with American right wing politicians. Do you really think any of this stuff happens without some orchestration and planning? Is everyone involved? Is Obama clued in? Maybe not. There are different teams vying for the same slice of pie. Bibi's team happens to be the right wing hawks. Obama may be a warmonger, but isn't outspoken about it. Mitt most definitely is. And he is because that is what he is being told to do. I can't imagine these people have their own thoughts at all. The puppets only do the talking.
 
2012-09-16 03:49:01 AM  
Hey... I've got a good question...
Why are the sand monkeys so pissed off at America, a basically Judeo-Christian nation (the same roots as Islam) and they don't seem to have a problem with the Atheists in China? Wouldn't Atheists be bigger infidels?
 
2012-09-16 03:50:08 AM  

DogBoyTheCat: I'm not a right-wing idealogue... I'm just tired of this crap.
Somebody needs to put the smack down on these idiots...the sooner the better.
I picture the current administration's apologetic stance to be quite similar to Neville Chamberlain("I have met with Mr. Hitler, and he seems quite an agreeable chap").
Appeasement will never work with these folks.
Let's just do the violence, do it hard, and get it done with...


Who? Who exactly do we attack? Libya and Egypt? Their governments? By the way, England was in no way prepared for WWII when Chamberlain was "appeasing" the Germans. Why don't you go ahead and do some violence to your tiny penis and fall asleep. Let people with brains take care of the rest.
 
2012-09-16 03:51:14 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: Did the US give Bibi the permission to meddle in the election?


Why not? Bibi is in contact with American right wing politicians. Do you really think any of this stuff happens without some orchestration and planning? Is everyone involved? Is Obama clued in? Maybe not. There are different teams vying for the same slice of pie. Bibi's team happens to be the right wing hawks. Obama may be a warmonger, but isn't outspoken about it. Mitt most definitely is. And he is because that is what he is being told to do. I can't imagine these people have their own thoughts at all. The puppets only do the talking.


Why not? Because it is not proper to involve yourself in another country's elections. Bibi is taking a bashing for doing it from Israelis.
 
2012-09-16 03:51:49 AM  

DogBoyTheCat: Hey... I've got a good question...
Why are the sand monkeys so pissed off at America, a basically Judeo-Christian nation (the same roots as Islam) and they don't seem to have a problem with the Atheists in China? Wouldn't Atheists be bigger infidels?


Sand monkeys? GTFO.
 
2012-09-16 03:52:28 AM  

DogBoyTheCat: Hey... I've got a good question...
Why are the sand monkeys so pissed off at America, a basically Judeo-Christian nation (the same roots as Islam) and they don't seem to have a problem with the Atheists in China? Wouldn't Atheists be bigger infidels?


Oh, also, that wasn't even close to a good question, Corky.
 
2012-09-16 03:54:05 AM  

Sabyen91: Shadow Blasko: vygramul: HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!

The Germans sank the Bismark.

Are you sure you are talking about the right ship? The Brits sank the Bismarck.


i think this is where he is going...
".. The cause of her sinking is disputed: some in the Royal Navy claim that torpedoes fired by the cruiser HMS Dorsetshire administered the fatal blow, while German survivors argue that they scuttled the ship"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck
 
2012-09-16 03:55:50 AM  

phantomht: Sabyen91: Shadow Blasko: vygramul: HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!

The Germans sank the Bismark.

Are you sure you are talking about the right ship? The Brits sank the Bismarck.

i think this is where he is going...
".. The cause of her sinking is disputed: some in the Royal Navy claim that torpedoes fired by the cruiser HMS Dorsetshire administered the fatal blow, while German survivors argue that they scuttled the ship"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck


Ahh, well, that would be a ridiculous position to take.
 
2012-09-16 04:00:15 AM  

Sabyen91: phantomht: Sabyen91: Shadow Blasko: vygramul: HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!

The Germans sank the Bismark.

Are you sure you are talking about the right ship? The Brits sank the Bismarck.

i think this is where he is going...
".. The cause of her sinking is disputed: some in the Royal Navy claim that torpedoes fired by the cruiser HMS Dorsetshire administered the fatal blow, while German survivors argue that they scuttled the ship"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

Ahh, well, that would be a ridiculous position to take.


Except for that whole "bow plates blown outward below the waterline" thing... it would be.
 
2012-09-16 04:00:34 AM  

Sabyen91: Why not? Because it is not proper to involve yourself in another country's elections. Bibi is taking a bashing for doing it from Israelis


Really? How is anything these assholes do "proper?"

American governments have routinely engaged in the wholesale slaughter of various peoples for hundreds of years. In the last 60 or so, America has decided to constantly be engaged in fight somewhere while the country crumbles. The Israeli government is oppressing a population by locking them in ghettos and maintaining order with helicopter gunships.

And you're concerned with what some phony, corrupt politician says about some other phony, corrupt politician? Really?
 
2012-09-16 04:02:06 AM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Desert Here We Go Again
 
2012-09-16 04:02:44 AM  

Shadow Blasko: Sabyen91: phantomht: Sabyen91: Shadow Blasko: vygramul: HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.

One of the most powerful ships in Her Majesty's Royal Navy - the same navy that defeated the German armada at Jutland, the same navy that fought and sank the Bismarck. THAT is how powerful a £1b pound type-45 destoyer is among history's battleships!

The Germans sank the Bismark.

Are you sure you are talking about the right ship? The Brits sank the Bismarck.

i think this is where he is going...
".. The cause of her sinking is disputed: some in the Royal Navy claim that torpedoes fired by the cruiser HMS Dorsetshire administered the fatal blow, while German survivors argue that they scuttled the ship"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

Ahh, well, that would be a ridiculous position to take.

Except for that whole "bow plates blown outward below the waterline" thing... it would be.


Except it doesn't matter if they scuttle it or not. You don't scuttle if you are not going down. If that is your case I am not interested in an idiotic semantic argument. It lost the battle to Britain and sank.
 
2012-09-16 04:02:48 AM  

Yeoman: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?

Desert Here We Go Again


LoL, I like that :)
 
2012-09-16 04:03:22 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: Why not? Because it is not proper to involve yourself in another country's elections. Bibi is taking a bashing for doing it from Israelis

Really? How is anything these assholes do "proper?"

American governments have routinely engaged in the wholesale slaughter of various peoples for hundreds of years. In the last 60 or so, America has decided to constantly be engaged in fight somewhere while the country crumbles. The Israeli government is oppressing a population by locking them in ghettos and maintaining order with helicopter gunships.

And you're concerned with what some phony, corrupt politician says about some other phony, corrupt politician? Really?


You have a point...
 
2012-09-16 04:03:57 AM  

Yeoman: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?

Desert Here We Go Again


Desert Whitesnake?
 
2012-09-16 04:05:37 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: Why not? Because it is not proper to involve yourself in another country's elections. Bibi is taking a bashing for doing it from Israelis

Really? How is anything these assholes do "proper?"

American governments have routinely engaged in the wholesale slaughter of various peoples for hundreds of years. In the last 60 or so, America has decided to constantly be engaged in fight somewhere while the country crumbles. The Israeli government is oppressing a population by locking them in ghettos and maintaining order with helicopter gunships.

And you're concerned with what some phony, corrupt politician says about some other phony, corrupt politician? Really?


I still disagree that the US is driving Israel and not the other way around, at least during this administration.
 
2012-09-16 04:05:53 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Yeoman: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?

Desert Here We Go Again

LoL, I like that :)


Thanks Maggie! :)
 
2012-09-16 04:06:41 AM  

Sabyen91: Why not? Because it is not proper to involve yourself in another country's elections. Bibi is taking a bashing for doing it from Israelis.



Actually, what I should have said is...

Really? You're concerned with what some phony, corrupt politician says about some other phony, corrupt politician? These assholes are angling to start a farking world war. Or at least cause enough catastrophe and mayhem that the people who tell the assholes what to do can finally take what they want.
 
2012-09-16 04:19:50 AM  

Sabyen91: I still disagree that the US is driving Israel and not the other way around, at least during this administration.



OK. That's your right. Please keep in mind though that we are constantly being lied to and intentionally manipulated. And again, what makes more logical sense? Israel committing suicide for no good reason? Or the West using Israel as a front for their desire to control more oil resources?
 
2012-09-16 04:22:47 AM  

gleaningtheboob: manipulated. And again, what makes more logical sense? Israel committing suicide for no good reason? Or the West using Israel as a front for their desire to control more oil resources?


Yeah we're sure doing a heck of a job securing that goal.
 
2012-09-16 04:25:12 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: You did notice Bibi stumping for Romney, right?

And? What's your point?

The fact is that Israel doesn't do shiat unless they are given permission, even if the permission is not made public. Ask yourself: what is Israel to gain from attacking Iran? will they gain economically? will it magically solve all of their problems?

Israel is a resource poor country which relies on the West for economic support. Its politicians are all crooked and it is really no more than a upscale banana republic (in fact they really do export tons of bananas to Europe). Would Bibi sell his people out? I don't doubt it.

What makes more sense? Israel deciding to commit suicide because OH NOES! THAT BAD LITTLE MAN SAYS MEAN THINGS! Or, because the West's economy is seriously struggling and the only guarantee to maintaining the status quo for a little while longer is to lock in more oil resources. The only way the West can do this while limiting blowback is to hang Israel out as the cause of things.


Newsletter?
 
2012-09-16 04:27:20 AM  

gleaningtheboob: gleaningtheboob: The only way the West can do this while limiting blowback is to hang Israel out as the cause of things.

Actually, it's not the only way. It's one way. The other is to create major instabilities in the Arab world. Huh, kinda like we're seeing now. Funny the timing of things. How is it possible that some silly YouTube video causes such exaggerated reactions. This is shiat is being stoked intentionally.


I suspect you are right.

As for the pot calling the kettle black - Israel is not a signatory to the Non-Proliferation Treaty and already has nuclear weapons, Iran is a signatory to the Non-Proliferation and has an absolute right to develop Nuclear Power.
 
2012-09-16 04:27:50 AM  

whidbey: Yeah we're sure doing a heck of a job securing that goal.


Results aside, there is no way they won't try by any means necessary. How far is this shiat going to go? The wealthy don't care about us. They'd use us for food if need be. The decimation of huge numbers of people must make them happy that there are now less drains on existing, dwindling resources.
 
2012-09-16 04:28:01 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: I still disagree that the US is driving Israel and not the other way around, at least during this administration.


OK. That's your right. Please keep in mind though that we are constantly being lied to and intentionally manipulated. And again, what makes more logical sense? Israel committing suicide for no good reason? Or the West using Israel as a front for their desire to control more oil resources?


You think the Obama-Bibi rift is some political theater to fool people into thinking...what?
 
2012-09-16 04:32:51 AM  
I think Israel will wait to see how things turn out with the US election. Mittens has the old gang of Dubya neocons back in play, ready to give the rednecks all the war their TVs can handle if he's elected. There's no imminent threat from Iran of a nuclear attack between now and the end of the year. Doesn't make sense for a rightwing government in Israel to strike now when they could have their super-bestest-friends back in power here in January, ready to back them up.

The other scenario that comes to mind is that since it looks like Rmoney's campaign is close to spiraling the drain, Israel could try to do something now in the hope that it hurts Obama's campaign. Most Americans don't want war with Iran, though.
 
2012-09-16 04:36:08 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: I think Israel will wait to see how things turn out with the US election. Mittens has the old gang of Dubya neocons back in play, ready to give the rednecks all the war their TVs can handle if he's elected. There's no imminent threat from Iran of a nuclear attack between now and the end of the year. Doesn't make sense for a rightwing government in Israel to strike now when they could have their super-bestest-friends back in power here in January, ready to back them up.

The other scenario that comes to mind is that since it looks like Rmoney's campaign is close to spiraling the drain, Israel could try to do something now in the hope that it hurts Obama's campaign. Most Americans don't want war with Iran, though.


The Israeli government isn't sitting back and waiting. Bibi is actively stumping for Mitt and the opposition is calling him out on meddling in US elections. Link
 
2012-09-16 04:38:23 AM  

Sabyen91: The Israeli government isn't sitting back and waiting. Bibi is actively stumping for Mitt and the opposition is calling him out on meddling in US elections. Link



I wouldn't be surprised if some of this bullshiat rioting in the Middle East has Israeli intelligence ops behind it. I have no evidence to support that, other than looking at who stands to benefit from it.
 
2012-09-16 04:40:08 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Sabyen91: The Israeli government isn't sitting back and waiting. Bibi is actively stumping for Mitt and the opposition is calling him out on meddling in US elections. Link


I wouldn't be surprised if some of this bullshiat rioting in the Middle East has Israeli intelligence ops behind it. I have no evidence to support that, other than looking at who stands to benefit from it.


It looks like it is Coptics and other fundies in the US. I think, if anything, the Jews are being set up on this one.
 
2012-09-16 04:40:49 AM  

gleaningtheboob: whidbey: Yeah we're sure doing a heck of a job securing that goal.

Results aside, there is no way they won't try by any means necessary. How far is this shiat going to go? The wealthy don't care about us. They'd use us for food if need be. The decimation of huge numbers of people must make them happy that there are now less drains on existing, dwindling resources.


[tinfoilalert.jpg]
 
2012-09-16 04:42:39 AM  

whidbey: gleaningtheboob: whidbey: Yeah we're sure doing a heck of a job securing that goal.

Results aside, there is no way they won't try by any means necessary. How far is this shiat going to go? The wealthy don't care about us. They'd use us for food if need be. The decimation of huge numbers of people must make them happy that there are now less drains on existing, dwindling resources.

[tinfoilalert.jpg]


You know, when the zombie apocalypse comes I am almost hoping I am one of the zombies. I am gonna eat some tiny brains.
 
2012-09-16 04:42:46 AM  

Sabyen91: I wouldn't be surprised if some of this bullshiat rioting in the Middle East has Israeli intelligence ops behind it. I have no evidence to support that, other than looking at who stands to benefit from it.

It looks like it is Coptics and other fundies in the US. I think, if anything, the Jews are being set up on this one.



Maybe. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. A US film that no one in the US had ever heard of suddenly ignites the entire Middle East? Who the fark promoted the film over there so much that so much rage and mass-hysteria could come completely out of nowhere?
 
2012-09-16 04:45:04 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Sabyen91: I wouldn't be surprised if some of this bullshiat rioting in the Middle East has Israeli intelligence ops behind it. I have no evidence to support that, other than looking at who stands to benefit from it.

It looks like it is Coptics and other fundies in the US. I think, if anything, the Jews are being set up on this one.


Maybe. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark. A US film that no one in the US had ever heard of suddenly ignites the entire Middle East? Who the fark promoted the film over there so much that so much rage and mass-hysteria could come completely out of nowhere?


It isn't that surprising. They recently dubbed it in Arabic and sent it to some right-wing Muslim in Egypt. Yes, that certainly seems like pre-meditation. And it is good as a conspiracy because it is simple. Most conspiracy theorists believe in really elaborate conspiracies and they just don't come that way.
 
2012-09-16 04:54:09 AM  

Sabyen91: It isn't that surprising. They recently dubbed it in Arabic and sent it to some right-wing Muslim in Egypt. Yes, that certainly seems like pre-meditation. And it is good as a conspiracy because it is simple. Most conspiracy theorists believe in really elaborate conspiracies and they just don't come that way.



I still don't see how it went viral. Who was/were the tastemaker(s) that made this blow-up? If I make a video in Arabic and send it to a friend in the Middle East, it'll get 5 views.
 
2012-09-16 04:57:58 AM  

Sabyen91: You think the Obama-Bibi rift is some political theater to fool people into thinking...what?



I'll answer a question with a question. Do you think threat of nuclear war between the Soviets and the West was anything more than a facade so both sides could make weapons and expand their control over resources?

Regarding Obama/Bibi, we'll never know. All I know is that we are constantly fed misinformation coupled with entertaining distractions so the wealthy can get wealthier while other are forced to suffer for it.
 
2012-09-16 04:59:38 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Sabyen91: It isn't that surprising. They recently dubbed it in Arabic and sent it to some right-wing Muslim in Egypt. Yes, that certainly seems like pre-meditation. And it is good as a conspiracy because it is simple. Most conspiracy theorists believe in really elaborate conspiracies and they just don't come that way.


I still don't see how it went viral. Who was/were the tastemaker(s) that made this blow-up? If I make a video in Arabic and send it to a friend in the Middle East, it'll get 5 views.


The Egyptian right winger was a radio host. Also youtube is global.
 
2012-09-16 05:01:40 AM  

gleaningtheboob: Sabyen91: You think the Obama-Bibi rift is some political theater to fool people into thinking...what?


I'll answer a question with a question. Do you think threat of nuclear war between the Soviets and the West was anything more than a facade so both sides could make weapons and expand their control over resources?

Regarding Obama/Bibi, we'll never know. All I know is that we are constantly fed misinformation coupled with entertaining distractions so the wealthy can get wealthier while other are forced to suffer for it.


Fed information or not Bibi is clearly hoping for a Mitt win. I really don't get what you are saying and the current Obama-Israel relationship kinda proves you wrong.
 
2012-09-16 05:04:05 AM  
Between this ongoing crap with Israel and pretty much every other frickin' country within a 500 mile radius of them, and all this other protesting bullshiat over that douchebag who made that retarded movie, when is it gonna be time for the potus or the congress or whoever the fark has the authority to just be like "y'know what?, fark you guys, I'm out"? seriously, can't we just take our ball and go home already? I'm sick of being dragged into everyone elses bullshiat because we have "a vested interest". I don't have a vested interest in what happens over there in the farking desert. I don't give a fark about the price of oil, It's a farking scam to begin with. Let those assholes kill each other and just be done with it. How much better off would we all(the world) be if the only thing occupying that arrid, unusable piece of dirt was crickets and the occasional dust storm?
 
2012-09-16 05:10:15 AM  
Iranian conservatives: Iran is very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
Israeli conservatives: Iran is very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
American conservatives: Muslims are very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
Russian conservatives : West is very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
 
2012-09-16 05:10:58 AM  
Iranian conservatives: Iransrael is very dangerous

ftfm
 
2012-09-16 05:14:38 AM  

LewDux: Iranian conservatives: Iran is very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
Israeli conservatives: Iran is very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
American conservatives: Muslims are very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you
Russian conservatives : West is very dangerous. Vote for us, we will protect you


Martian conservatives: Earth biatches be easy.
 
2012-09-16 05:19:17 AM  

atomicmask: what I hope it is- A massive coop strike by 25 nations to hit every islamic nation rioting or attacking embassies over the past 3 days.

what I do not hope it is- Israel pulling nut hairs and making us back them as they invade iran

What it actually is- Boats being boats and floating around as they are want to do.


Well, that's why we keep you there, and only let you have pudding on tuesdays.
 
2012-09-16 05:38:37 AM  

Sabyen91: Fed information or not Bibi is clearly hoping for a Mitt win. I really don't get what you are saying and the current Obama-Israel relationship kinda proves you wrong.



I might be wrong. You might be wrong too. We'll never know and I think it is entirely beside the point. There are different teams in this game, but their goal is the same: make the obscenely wealthy wealthier. How can they do this? One ancient tactic is to divide and conquer.

While we're bickering about which corrupt asshole politician likes which corrupt asshole politician or some Arabs are stoked into rioting for suspicious reasons, the wealthy and the governments they control are succeeding in their objective to distract us.

My suggestion? Don't buy any of this bullshiat. Just know that only the interests of some very wealthy people matter and the only way they can continue being wealthy is by subjugating the lot of us. Whether we acknowledge our own subjugation, or even unknowingly consent to and support it, is what I think is important.
 
2012-09-16 05:56:01 AM  

S Gilmore L: Bomb them, bomb their cities, bomb the oil fields, bomb their ports, bomb them back into the stone age - and do the same to Israel, too. If the Middle East registers on the 'news worthy' scale in the next hundred years, then we didn't do our job. Fark them, no lie. The whole region dictates too much concern for any civilized country to be distracted by, if they can't learn to live together then Fark them, and if they can't learn diplomacy in the next hundred years then bomb them again. Repeat as necessary, ad infintum. Yeah, I'm mad, bro. The world is trying to live together (minus Best Korea, and a few other places). But these farkers in the ME are a nightmare concerning world peace, so kill them and try to be thorough, no lie.


Channeling Hitler again?
 
2012-09-16 06:02:58 AM  

Hollie Maea: /Worst. "Ally". Ever.


I think if there was another true democracy in that area Israel could be shown the door.
 
2012-09-16 06:09:02 AM  

DogBoyTheCat: Hey... I've got a good question...
Why are the sand monkeys so pissed off at America, a basically Judeo-Christian nation (the same roots as Islam) and they don't seem to have a problem with the Atheists in China? Wouldn't Atheists be bigger infidels?


Asked and answered.
 
2012-09-16 06:14:59 AM  

intelligent comment below: What is Israel dictating?


that the Iranians can't have nuclear power like they have.
 
2012-09-16 06:48:07 AM  
And we all know how well the last Armada worked. Well the Brits do. For americans it was before the world began in 1620.
 
2012-09-16 07:21:32 AM  

aearra: And we all know how well the last Armada worked. Well the Brits do. For americans it was before the world began in 1620.


There have been a few since.
Some that would make the Spanish blush from embarrassment.

dl.dropbox.com

The scary part is having so more ships close together increases the chance of an accident, incident, or an encounter with old ordinance that's probably littering the gulf. These boats are all there out of the political need to be "doing something" about Iran, and just one explosion will create the demand that they do something far more assertive than pose.

/I'm predicting the accident will happen some time in mid October.
 
2012-09-16 07:41:12 AM  

talkertopc: I read it as "An armada of US and British naval power is missing in the Persian Gulf" the first time


Me too, just for a second. "shiat, really? Oh, no, not really."
 
2012-09-16 08:04:19 AM  
Sweet... right on track for Dec 21st 2012!
 
2012-09-16 08:10:05 AM  
When the first word in an alleged new article is in error -- "battleships" today exist in museums, not fleets -- you can safely disregard everything that follows because the reporters and editors involved are obviously clueless.
There has been increased naval activity in the Persian Gulf region all summer by U.S., British, French and Russian naval units. Apparently the Telegram doesn't know how to Google.
 
2012-09-16 08:32:55 AM  
I don't see this being reported as serious news by anyone other than the Telegraph. Perhaps it's time to stop using them as a news source.
 
2012-09-16 08:40:58 AM  
Shiat just got Israel.
 
2012-09-16 08:46:23 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

The Imperial Navy is unimpressed by your shenanigans.
 
2012-09-16 08:51:28 AM  
I took another gander at the movie, *W*, last night. Oh, the shape that guy left us in. That said, unless we nuke the entire planet, war will not end war. Only lead to more of it. As far as the middle east goes, the entire region is just one simmering conflagration that the west has barely managed to keep a lid on. Is that lid finally blowing off? Best we get the hell out of the way and let them shred themselves. We can always check back when the dust settles.
 
2012-09-16 09:10:28 AM  

biglot: I took another gander at the movie, *W*, last night. Oh, the shape that guy left us in


you know to say such a thing in a predictable way is a meme right?
 
2012-09-16 09:18:49 AM  

Hobodeluxe: intelligent comment below: What is Israel dictating?

that the Iranians can't have nuclear power like they have.


Worse than that.

Israel is trying to make us believe (and has been since the early 1980's) that not only is Iran desperately building a nuclear bomb, but the instant it is operational they will launch it into Tel Aviv. Despite the fact that it's a death warrant for Iran. A suicide attack, because the second that bird is in the air, the country and the regime would face massive international outrage and military conflict with pretty much everyone.

All this despite the fact that Iran is a signatory to the NPT, meaning if they build a nuclear weapon they're WELL within the tenets of international law and meanwhile Israel holds a large arsenal of nukes which exist outside any treaties and which Israel to this day denies having.

All this despite the fact that Iran hasn't invaded a foreign country in 200 years and Israel occupies one of its' neighbours right now (Palestine), and also invaded and occupied ANOTHER neighbour for over 20 years (Lebanon). And it's Israel that is constantly shrieking that they'll have to attack Iran, and acting paranoid and belligerent.

So it's like Bizarro-world or something.
 
2012-09-16 09:43:18 AM  

S Gilmore L: Bomb them, bomb their cities, bomb the oil fields, bomb their ports, bomb them back into the stone age - and do the same to Israel, too. If the Middle East registers on the 'news worthy' scale in the next hundred years, then we didn't do our job. Fark them, no lie. The whole region dictates too much concern for any civilized country to be distracted by, if they can't learn to live together then Fark them, and if they can't learn diplomacy in the next hundred years then bomb them again. Repeat as necessary, ad infintum. Yeah, I'm mad, bro. The world is trying to live together (minus Best Korea, and a few other places). But these farkers in the ME are a nightmare concerning world peace, so kill them and try to be thorough, no lie.


Aside from having all that early human cultural historical significance there which means we'll never truly be able to let that region fly completely off the rails/go glass parking lot, you're forgetting about all the oil in that region that is utterly vital to run our technology.
 
2012-09-16 09:49:00 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: strikefighterconsultinginc.com

Rumored to be the flagship of the US/British Armada


Don't we all wish. Though some dude like Nick Fury running the whole show could be farking scary.
 
2012-09-16 09:49:58 AM  
Probably to keep Israel from protecting herself. Am I right or am I right?
 
2012-09-16 09:57:24 AM  

yelmrog: Tyranicle: whatshisname: Tyranicle: Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because there's lots of Jewish voters in the US.

Jews make up between two to three percent of the American population. However, there are more jews in America than Israel. Roughly six million reside here while five million reside there.

Why don't we take all the Jews out of Israel and relocate them to Florida with the rest? Totally seems like a win-win. I mean, we put them back there (the middle east) in the first place, we can take'em back out, right?


I'm sad you didn't mention making this relocation compulsory and using cattle cars to do it (just to take the subtlety from the historical reference and further fark with our resident would-be "tyrant").
 
2012-09-16 09:57:26 AM  

mediablitz: malaktaus: So I assume you're in the military, then? I only ask because I was in the Army and I got shot fighting Muslims for no good reason, and it seems like whenever I hear sentiments like yours the person expressing them is a fat, balding middle-aged dimwit, a middle manager type, who wanted to serve in the military, honest to god, but it just didn't work out for some reason, imagine that.

6 years. 4 on submarines. fark off with your generalities. We aren't fixing ANYTHING by starting a farking world nuclear war.

You sound like a lying, never did shiat but breathe my air, dimwit. I don't believe you got shot. I don't believe you did shiat but biatch and moan.


Settle down, Beavis. Go back and reread that comment you're responding to. malaktaus was pretty clearly addressing atomicmask, not you.
 
2012-09-16 10:01:34 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: yelmrog: Tyranicle: whatshisname: Tyranicle: Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because there's lots of Jewish voters in the US.

Jews make up between two to three percent of the American population. However, there are more jews in America than Israel. Roughly six million reside here while five million reside there.

Why don't we take all the Jews out of Israel and relocate them to Florida with the rest? Totally seems like a win-win. I mean, we put them back there (the middle east) in the first place, we can take'em back out, right?

I'm sad you didn't mention making this relocation compulsory and using cattle cars to do it (just to take the subtlety from the historical reference and further fark with our resident would-be "tyrant").


No no no no no, not Florida, Missouri, where the Garden of Eden is located. That's the true promised land.
 
2012-09-16 10:07:28 AM  

Girion47: Crotchrocket Slim: yelmrog: Tyranicle: whatshisname: Tyranicle: Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because there's lots of Jewish voters in the US.

Jews make up between two to three percent of the American population. However, there are more jews in America than Israel. Roughly six million reside here while five million reside there.

Why don't we take all the Jews out of Israel and relocate them to Florida with the rest? Totally seems like a win-win. I mean, we put them back there (the middle east) in the first place, we can take'em back out, right?

I'm sad you didn't mention making this relocation compulsory and using cattle cars to do it (just to take the subtlety from the historical reference and further fark with our resident would-be "tyrant").

No no no no no, not Florida, Missouri, where the Garden of Eden is located. That's the true promised land.


Damn dude, even Hitler had the compassion of killing off a bunch of people in his concentration camps. You're cold bro, cold.
 
2012-09-16 10:11:08 AM  
imageshack.us

All is lost! Iran has Ninjas!

Hot, Female Persian Ninjas!


/I'll be in my bunk
 
2012-09-16 10:30:58 AM  
ARMADA!!! of US and British naval power!!!!

The British component consists of four British minesweepers and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary Cardigan Bay, a logistics vessel. HMS Diamond, a brand-new £1billion Type 45 destroyer, one of the most powerful ships in the British fleet, will also be operating in the region.


Babe Ruth amd I hit a combined 714 home runs in the major leagues!
 
2012-09-16 10:39:05 AM  
"Freschel


2012-09-16 01:50:06 AM
It's been over 200 comments and still no Tatsume."


I think he got evicted last week.
 
2012-09-16 10:48:41 AM  

vygramul: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?


Google is your friend

Google doesn't seem to think such a thing exists either.


You know, I gotta say you're right. There are guided missile cruisers, and ballistic-missile-defense cruisers, but AFAIK no ballistic missile cruiser.

Good catch.
 
2012-09-16 11:05:19 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vygramul: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: vygramul: And WTF is a "ballistic missile cruiser"?


Google is your friend

Google doesn't seem to think such a thing exists either.

You know, I gotta say you're right. There are guided missile cruisers, and ballistic-missile-defense cruisers, but AFAIK no ballistic missile cruiser.

Good catch.


We keep our ballistic missiles in the submarine fleet for good reason, skimmers can't be trusted with such things.
 
2012-09-16 11:24:05 AM  
Perfect Storm brewing here. I hope this doesn't turn out to be Bay of Pigs II, Electric Boogaloo.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:23 AM  

traylor: ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?

Sea storm.

Seriously, they should be watching for storms.


There is a strait involved. Somebody think of something more clever than "Strait Atcha".
 
2012-09-16 11:39:29 AM  
"Comments for this page are closed"

As is customary after posting the most poorly written and dubiously "researched" article of the week. When is Testicleface McSh*tbird going to keel over, finally?
 
2012-09-16 11:41:41 AM  
We're out of Iraq and getting out of Afturdistan. You can't expect the military-industrial types to sit around with their thumb up their asses whilst their revenue stream dries up. That really wouldn't make any sense.
 
2012-09-16 11:42:08 AM  

FlippityFlap: "Freschel


2012-09-16 01:50:06 AM
It's been over 200 comments and still no Tatsume."


I think he got evicted last week.


He's partying in the Rabbis Need Permission Slips to Suck the Blood Out of Mutilated Baby Penis thread.
 
2012-09-16 11:50:03 AM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?



Desert Stop-me-if-you've-heard-this-one-before
 
2012-09-16 11:55:32 AM  
Mutilated Baby Penis would be an atrocious name for a band and I would throw Molotov cocktails at their concerts.
 
2012-09-16 12:01:28 PM  
Israelis starting another war?

When do we apologize to Mel Gibson?
 
2012-09-16 12:13:15 PM  
www.globalpost.com 

Putin can hock cruise missile loogies. What's Obummer got?
 
2012-09-16 12:19:24 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Israelis starting another war?

When do we apologize to Mel Gibson?


William "Mad Max" Wallace don't need your apologies, sugartits.
 
2012-09-16 12:26:47 PM  

Kittypie070: Mutilated Baby Penis would be an atrocious name for a band and I would throw Molotov cocktails at their concerts.


Everybody throws Molotov cocktails at Mutilated Baby Penis concerts, poser.
 
2012-09-16 12:41:41 PM  
ummm... Doesn't the larger troop withdrawals start soon? Nahhh. IT'S WW3!!!! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIES!!!
 
2012-09-16 12:42:06 PM  

sendtodave: gopher321: Somebody still uses battleships?

Real men do.

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x625]


Looking at this as my wife does dishes in the kitchen behind me.
 
2012-09-16 12:45:47 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?


Desert Glass
 
2012-09-16 12:46:47 PM  

intelligent comment below: nekulor: Modern Zionism is like dominionism for Jews. It's thankfully more specific and limited to one very small region of the planet, but it still sucks.


Feel free to link me to a citation showing it's "like" it in any way.


Let's do the math, shall we:

Crazed religious fundamentalists seeking to validate a very narrow definition of a specific thing from their holy book of choice? check.

Heavily embedded sentiments against another religion(s) in the region? Check.

Some pretty tough mental gymnastics to begin qualifying the outgroups (in this case, Palestinians and arabs) as inferior? Check.

An incredibly conservative core group that is pushing for more power within legitimate power structures in their home nation? Check.


All the hardcore modern zionists are missing is a healthy dose of misogyny and they're on the right track to be able to swap stories with Huckabee et. al.
 
2012-09-16 01:15:48 PM  
thamike 2012-09-16 12:26:47 PM

Kittypie070: Mutilated Baby Penis would be an atrocious name for a band and I would throw Molotov cocktails at their concerts.

Everybody throws Molotov cocktails at Mutilated Baby Penis concerts, poser.


Dammit!!

/honoured to be one-upped by a true professional, sir!
 
2012-09-16 02:01:02 PM  

ArkAngel: So what will the name of the next war be?

Desert ________ ?



Dessert Dessert.


/It's a three-course meal
 
2012-09-16 02:10:09 PM  
Late to the thread, but it is well known that Israel has been bleating this bullshiat for decades, that the "existential threat" of Iran's supposed "KILL ALL JEWS!!!" is an outright lie (Iran has a large Jewish population that is treated VERY well), and that Israel has done nothing but make enemies with everyone in the region since the Racist Regime was C-Sectioned into existence back in the 40's.

Israel is the aggressor here.

Israel is the one who is threatening to unilaterally attack Iran - not the other way around.

It would seem to me that the best course of action would be to send in massive flotillas of US, British, German, French, Russian, Chinese (whoever) off the coast of Israel, and let them know, on no uncertain terms, that if they act aggressively against Iran, we're going to cut US financial aid to the Jewish State by 3%.

Too radical?
 
2012-09-16 02:20:20 PM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Tyranicle: Hello? Jew? Hello? Why is the United States of America responsible for jewish intrests in Israel?

Because we have been bought off and manipulated by people who came across as caring friends. F+ck Israel.

Whatever happened to The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend?



So I guess that would make Iran a "friend" of the US, right?
 
2012-09-16 02:21:26 PM  

Amos Quito: Late to the thread, but it is well known that Israel has been bleating this bullshiat for decades, that the "existential threat" of Iran's supposed "KILL ALL JEWS!!!" is an outright lie (Iran has a large Jewish population that is treated VERY well), and that Israel has done nothing but make enemies with everyone in the region since the Racist Regime was C-Sectioned into existence back in the 40's.

Israel is the aggressor here.

Israel is the one who is threatening to unilaterally attack Iran - not the other way around.

It would seem to me that the best course of action would be to send in massive flotillas of US, British, German, French, Russian, Chinese (whoever) off the coast of Israel, and let them know, on no uncertain terms, that if they act aggressively against Iran, we're going to cut US financial aid to the Jewish State by 3%.

Too radical?


You're still around? I thought you left after you were caught blaming Jews in a thread that had nothing even remotely to do with Israel.
 
2012-09-16 02:37:04 PM  

Amos Quito: Late to the thread, but it is well known that Israel has been bleating this bullshiat for decades, that the "existential threat" of Iran's supposed "KILL ALL JEWS!!!" is an outright lie (Iran has a large Jewish population that is treated VERY well), and that Israel has done nothing but make enemies with everyone in the region since the Racist Regime was C-Sectioned into existence back in the 40's.

Israel is the aggressor here.

Israel is the one who is threatening to unilaterally attack Iran - not the other way around.


It would seem to me that the best course of action would be to send in massive flotillas of US, British, German, French, Russian, Chinese (whoever) off the coast of Israel, and let them know, on no uncertain terms, that if they act aggressively against Iran, we're going to cut US financial aid to the Jewish State by 3%.

Too radical?


In complete fairness, Israel's history has shown that:

1) They are tiny. Like New Jersey tiny. If they get attacked in a major way, there's no buffer at all. (Or from the nuclear perspective, you don't need all that many nukes to cripple them)
2) So far, anti-Israeli rhetoric has been matched by action. Since its establishment in 1948, the State of Israel has fought seven recognized wars, two Palestinian intifadas, and a series of armed conflicts in the broader Arab-Israeli conflict.
3) Launching preemptive strikes has worked out really, really well for Israel (1967), while sitting and waiting to be attacked has been less so (1973).
4) You have an extremely rhetorically crazy regime in Iran, that:
a) might judge the eradication of Israel as a fair trade for their own immediate destruction.
b) With the recent downgrading of Iraq's power status, is in a position where reality can be made to match rhetoric (instead of being a counter to Iraq ala the 1980's)
c) Is actively seeking nukes.

So why shouldn't they be at least considering an attack (and in the process, maybe convincing other people with more influence to do something to keep Iran from getting nukes, if only to prevent an Israeli attack that leads to WWIII)? Logistically, it's impossible without serious US help and acquiescence by several Arab nations, but in their place, I'd at least be looking at it.
 
2012-09-16 02:38:40 PM  

vygramul: Amos Quito: Late to the thread, but it is well known that Israel has been bleating this bullshiat for decades, that the "existential threat" of Iran's supposed "KILL ALL JEWS!!!" is an outright lie (Iran has a large Jewish population that is treated VERY well), and that Israel has done nothing but make enemies with everyone in the region since the Racist Regime was C-Sectioned into existence back in the 40's.

Israel is the aggressor here.

Israel is the one who is threatening to unilaterally attack Iran - not the other way around.

It would seem to me that the best course of action would be to send in massive flotillas of US, British, German, French, Russian, Chinese (whoever) off the coast of Israel, and let them know, on no uncertain terms, that if they act aggressively against Iran, we're going to cut US financial aid to the Jewish State by 3%.

Too radical?

You're still around? I thought you left after you were caught blaming Jews in a thread that had nothing even remotely to do with Israel.



WTF are you talking about?

And since when does the sphere of the influence of "Jews" stop at the Israeli border?


Hasbara FTW.
 
2012-09-16 02:52:09 PM  

meyerkev: Amos Quito: Late to the thread, but it is well known that Israel has been bleating this bullshiat for decades, that the "existential threat" of Iran's supposed "KILL ALL JEWS!!!" is an outright lie (Iran has a large Jewish population that is treated VERY well), and that Israel has done nothing but make enemies with everyone in the region since the Racist Regime was C-Sectioned into existence back in the 40's.

Israel is the aggressor here.

Israel is the one who is threatening to unilaterally attack Iran - not the other way around.

It would seem to me that the best course of action would be to send in massive flotillas of US, British, German, French, Russian, Chinese (whoever) off the coast of Israel, and let them know, on no uncertain terms, that if they act aggressively against Iran, we're going to cut US financial aid to the Jewish State by 3%.

Too radical?

In complete fairness, Israel's history has shown that:

1) They are tiny. Like New Jersey tiny. If they get attacked in a major way, there's no buffer at all. (Or from the nuclear perspective, you don't need all that many nukes to cripple them)
2) So far, anti-Israeli rhetoric has been matched by action. Since its establishment in 1948, the State of Israel has fought seven recognized wars, two Palestinian intifadas, and a series of armed conflicts in the broader Arab-Israeli conflict.
3) Launching preemptive strikes has worked out really, really well for Israel (1967), while sitting and waiting to be attacked has been less so (1973).
4) You have an extremely rhetorically crazy regime in Iran, that:
a) might judge the eradication of Israel as a fair trade for their own immediate destruction.
b) With the recent downgrading of Iraq's power status, is in a position where reality can be made to match rhetoric (instead of being a counter to Iraq ala the 1980's)
c) Is actively seeking nukes.

So why shouldn't they be at least considering an attack (and in the process, maybe convincing other people with more in ...



I thought that we, as a planet that supposed to be progressively working toward an enlightened era of peace, that we were supposed to be trying to rid ourselves of the scourge of xenophobia, ethnic supremacy, and racism. No?

It would seem to me that Zionism and the Zionist State are antithetical to that goal - a remnant of an ugly part of human history that can no longer be tolerated if modern global society is to thrive.

I think we can live without Zionism and the ugliness that it embodies, don't you?
 
2012-09-16 03:08:17 PM  

vygramul: You're still around? I thought you left after you were caught blaming Jews in a thread that had nothing even remotely to do with Israel.


Whenever you hear a high pitched whining "jewwwwwssssss" in any thread and you can't quite place it, look for amos quito in your ears.
 
2012-09-16 03:13:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 03:15:45 PM  

RoyBatty: vygramul: You're still around? I thought you left after you were caught blaming Jews in a thread that had nothing even remotely to do with Israel.

Whenever you hear a high pitched whining "jewwwwwssssss" in any thread and you can't quite place it, look for amos quito in your ears.



So, what do you say, RoyBatty?

Do you support Bibi starting WWIII under the false pretense that Israel (and by imaginary extension - all Jews) faces an "existential threat" because Iran might be working on technology that might one day give them the ability to maybe make a nuclear weapon that might be used against the Zionist State?
 
2012-09-16 03:19:44 PM  

tzzhc4: yelmrog: Why don't we take all the Jews out of Israel and relocate them to Florida with the rest? Totally seems like a win-win. I mean, we put them back there (the middle east) in the first place, we can take'em back out, right?

Look up what the Zionists are. Basically there is a large portion of the US population that thinks the Jews have to occupy Israel in order for Jesus to return. This is why some many in the GOP freak out when politicians don't support Israel as they see it being tantamount to not supporting Jesus.



And why should we "support Jesus"?

Tell him to get a job.
 
2012-09-16 03:37:22 PM  

Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 720x540]


Looks shopped.
 
2012-09-16 03:58:05 PM  

Amos Quito: RoyBatty: vygramul: You're still around? I thought you left after you were caught blaming Jews in a thread that had nothing even remotely to do with Israel.

Whenever you hear a high pitched whining "jewwwwwssssss" in any thread and you can't quite place it, look for amos quito in your ears.


So, what do you say, RoyBatty?

Do you support Bibi starting WWIII under the false pretense that Israel (and by imaginary extension - all Jews) faces an "existential threat" because Iran might be working on technology that might one day give them the ability to maybe make a nuclear weapon that might be used against the Zionist State?


I'm just not sure who is worse for humanity, Bibi farking around in our elections, or the overt antisemites like you enabling and encouraging all the casual antisemitism (and cries to nuke the whole middle east over) in threads like this one and across the world that give aid and comfort to Bibi and his supporters as well as the Bin Ladens, Khameneis, and al-Assads.

i.imgur.com

Amos Quito exists on the hate of others

i.imgur.com

Good Spirits finally drives Amos Quito away

i.imgur.com

Amos Quito, profile pic
 
2012-09-16 04:20:06 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Sabyen91: The Israeli government isn't sitting back and waiting. Bibi is actively stumping for Mitt and the opposition is calling him out on meddling in US elections. Link

I wouldn't be surprised if some of this bullshiat rioting in the Middle East has Israeli intelligence ops behind it. I have no evidence to support that, other than looking at who stands to benefit from it.


It does seem too well orchestrated to be just some guy doing it all.

Americans dead on the anniversary of 9/11?

I imagine whoever is ultimately responsible is more than a little annoyed at the measured response on Obama's part here.

I really don't wanna think what President McCain would be doing right now.

*shudder*

So, this armada thing is an annual event that has more participation than in previous years according to TFA.

So... annual show of force is even more showy this year?

Because Israel is signalling that it will act with or without international sanction in terms of "pre-emptively" attacking Iranian nuclear enrichment sites and western economies would be devastated if the strait of Hormuz is blocked by Iran in response even for a few weeks?

Interesting times, indeed.

At this point Mitt's special relationship with Bibi should be viewed very warily by the electorate.
 
2012-09-16 04:25:22 PM  

rohar: We keep our ballistic missiles in the submarine fleet for good reason, skimmers can't be trusted with such things.


It was contemplated though, even so far as to have the hard mounts for Poseidon tubes installed on the Long Beach while she was being built. That's as far as it went though.
 
2012-09-16 04:51:31 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-16 05:03:50 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Zeno-25: [i.imgur.com image 720x540]

Looks shoppedshooped.

 
2012-09-16 05:25:28 PM  

Amos Quito: meyerkev: Amos Quito: Late to the thread, but it is well known that Israel has been bleating this bullshiat for decades, that the "existential threat" of Iran's supposed "KILL ALL JEWS!!!" is an outright lie (Iran has a large Jewish population that is treated VERY well), and that Israel has done nothing but make enemies with everyone in the region since the Racist Regime was C-Sectioned into existence back in the 40's.

Israel is the aggressor here.

Israel is the one who is threatening to unilaterally attack Iran - not the other way around.

It would seem to me that the best course of action would be to send in massive flotillas of US, British, German, French, Russian, Chinese (whoever) off the coast of Israel, and let them know, on no uncertain terms, that if they act aggressively against Iran, we're going to cut US financial aid to the Jewish State by 3%.

Too radical?

In complete fairness, Israel's history has shown that:

1) They are tiny. Like New Jersey tiny. If they get attacked in a major way, there's no buffer at all. (Or from the nuclear perspective, you don't need all that many nukes to cripple them)
2) So far, anti-Israeli rhetoric has been matched by action. Since its establishment in 1948, the State of Israel has fought seven recognized wars, two Palestinian intifadas, and a series of armed conflicts in the broader Arab-Israeli conflict.
3) Launching preemptive strikes has worked out really, really well for Israel (1967), while sitting and waiting to be attacked has been less so (1973).
4) You have an extremely rhetorically crazy regime in Iran, that:
a) might judge the eradication of Israel as a fair trade for their own immediate destruction.
b) With the recent downgrading of Iraq's power status, is in a position where reality can be made to match rhetoric (instead of being a counter to Iraq ala the 1980's)
c) Is actively seeking nukes.

So why shouldn't they be at least considering an attack (and in the process, maybe convincing other people wit ...


Amos Quito: I thought that we, as a planet that supposed to be progressively working toward an enlightened era of peace, that we were supposed to be trying to rid ourselves of the scourge of xenophobia, ethnic supremacy, and racism. No?

It would seem to me that Zionism and the Zionist State are antithetical to that goal - a remnant of an ugly part of human history that can no longer be tolerated if modern global society is to thrive.

I think we can live without Zionism and the ugliness that it embodies, don't you?


But Muslim theocracies that embody pretty much (and more of) of what you claim the JEWWWSSSS! are doing in Israel are a-okay?
 
2012-09-16 05:29:27 PM  

RoyBatty: So, what do you say, RoyBatty?

Do you support Bibi starting WWIII under the false pretense that Israel (and by imaginary extension - all Jews) faces an "existential threat" because Iran might be working on technology that might one day give them the ability to maybe make a nuclear weapon that might be used against the Zionist State?

I'm just not sure who is worse for humanity, Bibi farking around in our elections, or the overt antisemites like you enabling and encouraging all the casual antisemitism (and cries to nuke the whole middle east over) in threads like this one and across the world that give aid and comfort to Bibi and his supporters as well as the Bin Ladens, Khameneis, and al-Assads.



"Overt antisemite"?

Funny that anti-Semite card is always the weapon of first-resort when it comes to any discussion of the Zionist State and her supporters. If (as Samuel Johnson allegedly said) "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", then ad hominem attacks are surely the first.

Do you truly believe that Zionism (pre and post-Holocaust) has really served the long-term interests of the world in general, and of Jews in particular?

If so, how?
 
2012-09-16 05:36:46 PM  

Amos Quito: Funny that anti-Semite card is always the weapon of first-resort when it comes to any discussion of the Zionist State and her supporters. If (as Samuel Johnson allegedly said) "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", then ad hominem attacks are surely the first.


Oh that's just silly. You've made yourself a long history at FARK in many many many threads not pertaining to Israel at all of being an anti-semite.

Dude, when you're intellectually honest I will respond to you. If you're going to pretend that you're just upset with Israel in contrast to your philosophical argument as to why you hate Jews Link than you are not even worth responding to. Yes, in that link you lay out grounds for why you hate all non assimilating groups, but we all know you only scream about the Jews. And that link is not about Israel, it's about Jews.

Own your anti-semitism Amos, be proud of it, because you certainly are loud about it.
 
2012-09-16 05:39:13 PM  
Funny that anti-Semite card is always the weapon of first-resort when it comes to any discussion of the Zionist State and her supporters. If (as Samuel Johnson allegedly said) "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", then ad hominem attacks are surely the first.

Hey and Amos and others just search my posts in this thread to see how I've been ruthlessly defending Israel from criticism and resorting to cries of anti-semitism to do so.
 
2012-09-16 05:45:52 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: [i172.photobucket.com image 538x467]


derp
 
2012-09-16 05:50:23 PM  

bedtundy: But Muslim theocracies that embody pretty much (and more of) of what you claim the JEWWWSSSS! are doing in Israel are a-okay?



No.

But in general, we Americans don't coddle, support, defend, justify and enable these bigoted Muslim theocracies like we do the bigoted, racist, Zionist State, do we?

Hypocrisy FTW.
 
2012-09-16 06:13:25 PM  

Amos Quito: RoyBatty: So, what do you say, RoyBatty?

Do you support Bibi starting WWIII under the false pretense that Israel (and by imaginary extension - all Jews) faces an "existential threat" because Iran might be working on technology that might one day give them the ability to maybe make a nuclear weapon that might be used against the Zionist State?

I'm just not sure who is worse for humanity, Bibi farking around in our elections, or the overt antisemites like you enabling and encouraging all the casual antisemitism (and cries to nuke the whole middle east over) in threads like this one and across the world that give aid and comfort to Bibi and his supporters as well as the Bin Ladens, Khameneis, and al-Assads.


"Overt antisemite"?

Funny that anti-Semite card is always the weapon of first-resort when it comes to any discussion of the Zionist State and her supporters. If (as Samuel Johnson allegedly said) "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", then ad hominem attacks are surely the first.

Do you truly believe that Zionism (pre and post-Holocaust) has really served the long-term interests of the world in general, and of Jews in particular?

If so, how?


You attacked Jews in a thread entirely unrelated to Israel or even the Middle East. So that Innocence Abused card that all anti-semites have has no credibility.
 
2012-09-16 06:40:14 PM  
Where in the Constitution is Israel given the right to make us declare war?
 
2012-09-16 06:47:56 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7329786/79419161#c79419161" target="_blank">Amos Quito</a>:</b> <i>bedtundy: But Muslim theocracies that embody pretty much (and more of) of what you claim the JEWWWSSSS! are doing in Israel are a-okay?


No.

But in general, we Americans don't coddle, support, defend, justify and enable these bigoted Muslim theocracies like we do the bigoted, racist, Zionist State, do we?

Hypocrisy FTW.</i>

We don't? Really? We send billions to a number of Arab states NOT to attack Israel. We coddle both, yet it seems that we should be outraged more about one than the other? I don't get that.
 
2012-09-16 06:51:58 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: Where in the Constitution is Israel given the right to make us declare war?


Where in reality are they making us declare war?
 
2012-09-16 06:56:26 PM  

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: Funny that anti-Semite card is always the weapon of first-resort when it comes to any discussion of the Zionist State and her supporters. If (as Samuel Johnson allegedly said) "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel", then ad hominem attacks are surely the first.

Oh that's just silly. You've made yourself a long history at FARK in many many many threads not pertaining to Israel at all of being an anti-semite.

Dude, when you're intellectually honest I will respond to you. If you're going to pretend that you're just upset with Israel in contrast to your philosophical argument as to why you hate Jews Link than you are not even worth responding to.



You really should stop linking to that thread, RoyBatty, as it always destroys the point you're trying to make.

From my post - emphasis added (thanks for the link):

"Why do I pay what you might believe is an inordinate amount of attention to a certain group? It may be because that particular group uniquely exemplifies the very spirit of separation, clanishness, ethnocentrism and nationalism more profoundly than any other I have encountered. Indeed, these characteristics are the very glue that has held this group together as a separate and distinct "people" through thousands of years of dwelling in diaspora - a nation within nations that refused to assimilate in spite of enormous pressure to do so.

While group solidarity is not necessarily a "bad" thing, trouble begins when the "perceived" interests of one self-identified group clash wit the "perceived" interests of another or others. This scenario has repeated itself time and again throughout history, often with disasterous results, and frankly that is what I see happening again, and it does NOT bode well for the best interests of ANY group, of humanity as a whole, or of the planet itself.
"


RoyBatty: Yes, in that link you lay out grounds for why you hate all non assimilating groups, but we all know you only scream about the Jews. And that link is not about Israel, it's about Jews.


As an American, what other non-assimilating, racist, self-absorbed, ethnocentric groups do you think I should be "screaming" about? And why should your favorite group be immune to any criticism?

In that post I clearly explained my concern with clinging to clannishness, ethnocentrism, racism and fanatical nationalism in the modern world. You got upset because you want the right to PRESERVE these divisive traits for YOUR group, while seeing them dissolved in other groups, a trait that is not uncommon amongst your fellows, I might add.

Here in the US we witnessed Jews racing to the Southern States in an apparent valiant and courageous effort to end segregative "apartheid", but simultaneously Jews were working to STRENGTHEN the segregative "apartheid" between Jews and non-Jews in the Zionist State, weren't they?

But is this an example of hypocrisy, or simply clever political maneuvering? When a group is a distinct minority (Jews in the US), does it not serve their purposes / advance group interests to weaken the dominant group by empowering fellow minorities (in the Civil Rights era, blacks)?

Conversely, when said group is a dominant MAJORITY (Jews in Israel) does it not serve their purposes / advance group interests to maintain that dominance by oppressing, weakening and disempowering those who might challenge their dominant status?

Either way you have a self-identified group actively and vigorously competing against other groups, and as I so eloquently stated in that other thread, this may have been a rational strategy in ages past, but in the modern age, it is the harbinger of worldwide calamity.

So no, RoyBatty, you can't have your cake (force others to integrate) and eat it too (maintain your ethno-supremacist identity), which is EXACTLY what Zionists and those that support the Zionist agenda are trying to do.
 
2012-09-16 07:03:18 PM  
As an American, what other non-assimilating, racist, self-absorbed, ethnocentric groups do you think I should be "screaming" about?

wow... that's just... wow...

Tell us how you really feel...
 
2012-09-16 07:20:16 PM  

vygramul: You attacked Jews in a thread entirely unrelated to Israel or even the Middle East.



I "ATTACKED Jews"???

Link please. And not just to the thread, but to the post. (No offense, but people who like to whine about anti-Semitism also seem to be confused about who said what. I'm sure you've noticed)

And "in a thread entirely unrelated to Israel or even the Middle East"??? So farking what? Last time I checked, Jews weren't confined to Israel or the Middle East. As a mater of fact, they make up circa 2% of the US population, and pound for pound, wield FAR more political power and media influence than other minority groups that are ten times their size.

It's no secret - they brag about it. "I know what America is," Netanyahu told a group of terror victims, apparently not knowing his words were being recorded. "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."


Am I an anti-Semite for quoting Bibi?

Sorry bubs, but when you have a group that wields IMMENSE political power in this country AND has demonstrated a strong tendency to place the interests of a foreign nation above the best interests of the nation where they reside, they're fair game for cold, harsh and dissective criticism.

You don't like it? Tough titties.

Sort your priorities out and get back to me.
 
2012-09-16 07:24:33 PM  

Amos Quito: RoyBatty: Yes, in that link you lay out grounds for why you hate all non assimilating groups, but we all know you only scream about the Jews. And that link is not about Israel, it's about Jews.

As an American, what other non-assimilating, racist, self-absorbed, ethnocentric groups do you think I should be "screaming" about? And why should your favorite group be immune to any criticism?

In that post I clearly explained my concern with clinging to clannishness, ethnocentrism, racism and fanatical nationalism in the modern world. You got upset because you want the right to PRESERVE these divisive traits for YOUR group, while seeing them dissolved in other groups, a trait that is not uncommon amongst your fellows, I might add.


First the lie: "while seeing them dissolved in other groups,"
Then the specific antisemitic remark: "a trait that is not uncommon amongst your fellows"
All wrapped up in lots more racist remarks here.

You're right a amosquito, I am very wrong to link to that thread, it certainly disproves my points. Maybe I'll link to this comment of yours as well.
 
2012-09-16 07:26:40 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 07:28:08 PM  
Amos Quito lost what small amount of credibility he had when he threadshat a discussion, stating how blacks don't really benefit from public services and based his entire position on "a lifetime of personal experience."

Really, just put the bugger on ignore and move on. Fark isn't going to ban him.
 
2012-09-16 07:31:01 PM  

bedtundy: As an American, what other non-assimilating, racist, self-absorbed, ethnocentric groups do you think I should be "screaming" about?

wow... that's just... wow...

Tell us how you really feel...



Ah, so pointing out racism and bigotry is now racist and bigoted.

AMIRITE?


Point of clarification: When people speak of the way that MUSLIMS behave or think, or that CHRISTIANS behave or think, we grant them a certain amount of license - knowing full well that said criticisms are directed at prevailing attitudes of the group, and that NO ONE is claiming that EACH AND EVERY Muslim, Christian, etc. subscribes to these behaviors / beliefs.

Capiche?

And I'll just bet that you can accept and understand the concept of criticizing repugnant / deleterious prevailing attitudes within Muslim, Christian, or other groups, can't you?

Why should those scrutinizing THAT GROUP be held to a different standard?
 
2012-09-16 07:35:28 PM  
That isn't what'll happen, but nice thought
 
2012-09-16 07:40:11 PM  

RoyBatty: vygramul: You're still around? I thought you left after you were caught blaming Jews in a thread that had nothing even remotely to do with Israel.

Whenever you hear a high pitched whining "jewwwwwssssss" in any thread and you can't quite place it, look for amos quito in your ears.


Your text is now purple
 
2012-09-16 07:42:26 PM  

Amos Quito: Ah, so pointing out racism and bigotry is now racist and bigoted


... but still you don't understand why most of FARK thinks you're an idiot.

Also, nice try with the argument that Jews all think alike.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 07:54:09 PM  
Battleships? Hate to break it to ya Telegraph, but no world navy uses battleships anymore (they've all been retired).
 
2012-09-16 07:54:23 PM  

RoyBatty: Also, nice try with the argument that Jews all think alike.



Is that what I said?

Why no, I said quite the opposite, in fact

From above:

"Point of clarification: When people speak of the way that MUSLIMS behave or think, or that CHRISTIANS behave or think, we grant them a certain amount of license - knowing full well that said criticisms are directed at prevailing attitudes of the group, and that NO ONE is claiming that EACH AND EVERY Muslim, Christian, etc. subscribes to these behaviors / beliefs.

Capiche?
"


Apparently U no capiche, RoyBatty, because my crystal clear point was that GROUPS can be criticized AS GROUPS without assigning any belief, behavior or thought to all INDIVIDUALS in that group - JEWS INCLUDED.

Time to update the prescription on those eyeglasses, RoyBatty.

Oh, and as to your new "Gotcha Amos" references, would you mind converting them into links? I haven't the patience to type them in manually.

Thanks!
 
2012-09-16 07:59:35 PM  

Radioactive Ass: rohar: We keep our ballistic missiles in the submarine fleet for good reason, skimmers can't be trusted with such things.

It was contemplated though, even so far as to have the hard mounts for Poseidon tubes installed on the Long Beach while she was being built. That's as far as it went though.


Yeah, then the training system started being developed. After looking at the IQ they had to deal with on the surface, they scrapped the whole project.

/kidding, we love all of you skimmers!
 
2012-09-16 08:02:11 PM  

Amos Quito: Apparently U no capiche, RoyBatty, because my crystal clear point was that GROUPS can be criticized AS GROUPS without assigning any belief, behavior or thought to all INDIVIDUALS in that group - JEWS INCLUDED.


Still doesn't explain your anti-semitism....

Oh, and as to your new "Gotcha Amos" references, would you mind converting them into links? I haven't the patience to type them in manually.

Favorites and images don't really work that way. Annoys me too.

However, all you really need to do, all anyone needs to do, is just shout out in any thread, "Can someone send me a link to where Amos Quito makes an anti-semitic remark?" You'll get lots of links.
 
2012-09-16 08:04:53 PM  

whidbey: Amos Quito lost what small amount of credibility he had when he threadshat a discussion, stating how blacks don't really benefit from public services and based his entire position on "a lifetime of personal experience."


Nice quotation marks, Whidbey. Would you kindly produce a link to that quote?

What's that? You can't?

What a surprise.

But you're not entirely off the mark. I do believe that the Great Society (and similar programs) have done far more harm than good to the black community - effectively destroying the core family units and entrapping them in a whirlpool of government dependence. But that is for another thread.

whidbey: Really, just put the bugger on ignore and move on. Fark isn't going to ban him.



I'm sure you've tried to have me banned. Understandable, considering the fact that I'm usually on the money, and debating me on the issues is usually an exercise in futility.

It's not that I don't like you, Whidbey, I just think your pseudo-religious political devotion has you perpetually befuddled, is all.

:-)
 
2012-09-16 08:22:19 PM  
I just got Amos tagged as "racist".
 
2012-09-16 08:25:08 PM  

Amos Quito: It's not that I don't like you, Whidbey, I just think your pseudo-religious political devotion has you perpetually befuddled, is all.


Not that I'm defending your position, but that's not the problem with Whidbey. The problem is he's terribly thin skinned. And baked out of his farking mind.
 
2012-09-16 08:28:29 PM  

Amos Quito: bedtundy: As an American, what other non-assimilating, racist, self-absorbed, ethnocentric groups do you think I should be "screaming" about?

wow... that's just... wow...

Tell us how you really feel...


Ah, so pointing out racism and bigotry is now racist and bigoted.

AMIRITE?



If you frame it in such a way that it comes off as racist, yes. Racism should be bad, period. Yet you want to seem to excuse one brand of racism over another because there is a yellow one that won't accept the black one that won't accept the red one, that won't accept the white one. Make sense? Probably not to you, but I'm sure most people get it.

.


Point of clarification: When people speak of the way that MUSLIMS behave or think, or that CHRISTIANS behave or think, we grant them a certain amount of license - knowing full well that said criticisms are directed at prevailing attitudes of the group, and that NO ONE is claiming that EACH AND EVERY Muslim, Christian, etc. subscribes to these behaviors / beliefs.

Capiche?



It's all in your framing. You don't want people to think you're targeting one race over another, then don't.


And I'll just bet that you can accept and understand the concept of criticizing repugnant / deleterious prevailing attitudes within Muslim, Christian, or other groups, can't you?

Why should those scrutinizing THAT GROUP be held to a different standard?


Now you're almost framing things as to how you want me to think. Not gonna work.
 
2012-09-16 08:30:16 PM  

Amos Quito: Oh, and as to your new "Gotcha Amos" references, would you mind converting them into links? I haven't the patience to type them in manually.


Hey Amos! I figured out how to do it.

From now on, just click here if you want to see your posts that other people have identified as racist or stupid Link
 
2012-09-16 08:48:59 PM  

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: Apparently U no capiche, RoyBatty, because my crystal clear point was that GROUPS can be criticized AS GROUPS without assigning any belief, behavior or thought to all INDIVIDUALS in that group - JEWS INCLUDED.

Still doesn't explain your anti-semitism....

Oh, and as to your new "Gotcha Amos" references, would you mind converting them into links? I haven't the patience to type them in manually.

Favorites and images don't really work that way. Annoys me too.

However, all you really need to do, all anyone needs to do, is just shout out in any thread, "Can someone send me a link to where Amos Quito makes an anti-semitic remark?" You'll get lots of links.



Well, no, not really. What you'll get is a lot of biatching and moaning people AGREEING that I am an anti-Semite (they've heard the accusation so often that it MUST be true, right?), but you'll rarely if ever get links to posts - because the "proof" for all of theses accusations is in their heads: "Amos said this so he must REALLY mean that!

Occasionally some brave soul such as yourself will actually link to a post - but when it is actually read, it generally bears little semblance to the charges levied by the accuser.

One particular fellow - "Tappy" (thinks he's a hero) likes to link to THREADS that are often hundreds of posts long, but he can never link to a post or provide an actual quote to back up his allegations.


J'accuse!
J'accuse!
J'accuse!


But the proof is in the pudding, y'know, and apparently there's never any room for JELL-O after all.

Then (of course) there are the "liberal" definitions of "anti-Semitism", which most people seem to define as "anything that might be deemed as unflattering / offensive to Jews, Judaism, Israel, or Zionism.

But you know how it goes with The Big Lie - repeat it often enough, and the suckers - too lazy to do their own research - will buy it.

Cheers, RoyBatty!
 
2012-09-16 08:54:50 PM  

bedtundy: Amos Quito: bedtundy: As an American, what other non-assimilating, racist, self-absorbed, ethnocentric groups do you think I should be "screaming" about?

wow... that's just... wow...

Tell us how you really feel...


Ah, so pointing out racism and bigotry is now racist and bigoted.

AMIRITE?



If you frame it in such a way that it comes off as racist, yes. Racism should be bad, period. Yet you want to seem to excuse one brand of racism over another because there is a yellow one that won't accept the black one that won't accept the red one, that won't accept the white one. Make sense? Probably not to you, but I'm sure most people get it.



Above RoyBatty linked to one of my posts from an earlier thread. It explains my position in a fair amount of detail. Apparently you didn't read it, otherwise you wouldn't be carrying on so.

Read my other posts in that thread as well.

:-)
 
2012-09-16 08:56:46 PM  

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: Oh, and as to your new "Gotcha Amos" references, would you mind converting them into links? I haven't the patience to type them in manually.

Hey Amos! I figured out how to do it.

From now on, just click here if you want to see your posts that other people have identified as racist or stupid Link



Wow! That link just took me to the "recent" section of your profile, RoyBatty.

I didn't think that was possible.

/Spooky

;-)
 
2012-09-16 09:10:08 PM  
RoyBatty:


Hey, just clicked back to the main page and found out it's Rosh Hashanah!


Happy New Year to you and yours, RoyBatty!
 
2012-09-16 09:11:54 PM  
I love how so many farkers just throw their stupid opinion around about how this will all play out. God bless free speech, but lord almighty, some of you just blab on and on about nothing. Granted some farkers know their shiat, but for all of you who know you don't have an ounce of real experience in foreign policy just shut up already and let the big boys speak.

/Done rant
//Only post when I see the need to
///Self appointed mod? yes.
 
2012-09-16 09:15:06 PM  

japple1863: Granted some farkers know their shiat, but for all of you who know you don't have an ounce of real experience in foreign policy just shut up already and let the big boys speak.


I love how you added absolutely nothing to the thread but still feel like you are such a great mind on the subject.
 
2012-09-16 09:20:36 PM  

Amos Quito: Above RoyBatty linked to one of my posts from an earlier thread. It explains my position in a fair amount of detail. Apparently you didn't read it, otherwise you wouldn't be carrying on so.

Read my other posts in that thread as well.


Yes, that entire thread of Amos Quito is worth reading if you want to know more about one of FARK's most charming racists and how he rationalizes it.
 
2012-09-16 09:21:51 PM  

Amos Quito: RoyBatty:


Hey, just clicked back to the main page and found out it's Rosh Hashanah!


Happy New Year to you and yours, RoyBatty!


Thank you. It's my favorite Jewish Holiday (Thanksgiving is my favorite American Holiday). And both make me stop the low carb keto diet for a few days.
 
2012-09-16 09:32:11 PM  
Amos Quito:

Curious, do you self identify as Christian?

/no this isn't a "gotcha" question, pinky swear
 
2012-09-16 09:34:04 PM  
 
2012-09-16 09:37:30 PM  

RoyBatty: Amos Quito: Above RoyBatty linked to one of my posts from an earlier thread. It explains my position in a fair amount of detail. Apparently you didn't read it, otherwise you wouldn't be carrying on so.

Read my other posts in that thread as well.

Yes, that entire thread of Amos Quito is worth reading if you want to know more about one of FARK's most charming racists and how he rationalizes it.



I still fail to see how you interpret my no-holds-barred criticism of racism, ethnocentrism, ultranationalism, and other "ism's" that divide humanity and keep us trying to kill one another as "racism".

beancounters.blogs.com

We're awake, but we're very puzzled.
 
2012-09-16 09:41:27 PM  

rohar: Amos Quito:

Curious, do you self identify as Christian?

/no this isn't a "gotcha" question, pinky swear



No sir.

Not religious in any sense.

In fact, it would seem to me that religion is antithetical to "sense".

But there is more to some "religions" than simple "religion", you understand.
 
2012-09-16 09:46:01 PM  

vygramul: Those farking Israelis, eamirite Amos?



What's you point, vygramul? You got something against kosher food?
 
2012-09-16 09:46:38 PM  

Amos Quito: rohar: Amos Quito:

Curious, do you self identify as Christian?

/no this isn't a "gotcha" question, pinky swear


No sir.

Not religious in any sense.

In fact, it would seem to me that religion is antithetical to "sense".

But there is more to some "religions" than simple "religion", you understand.


Had to ask. Turns out I see myself as a practicing Christian, but hardly religious. Churches ain't my thing. But then I agree with most of what you posted in this thread. Here's the kicker, some here would call me anti semitic for agreeing with your views. How is that possible if I am semitic. So is Ahmadinnerjacket. How the hell does that work?
 
2012-09-16 09:51:36 PM  

TheJoe03: japple1863: Granted some farkers know their shiat, but for all of you who know you don't have an ounce of real experience in foreign policy just shut up already and let the big boys speak.

I love how you added absolutely nothing to the thread but still feel like you are such a great mind on the subject.


....I guess we are both guilty of adding nothing then.

/you almost complain as good as I do...almost.
 
2012-09-16 09:57:59 PM  

Amos Quito: I still fail to see how you interpret my no-holds-barred criticism of racism, ethnocentrism, ultranationalism, and other "ism's" that divide humanity and keep us trying to kill one another as "racism".


I have to run, but that was asked and answered in that thread. You asked, me and muck4doo and others answered.

In short:

You have said over and over the Jews should assimilate completely, and so should everyone else.

You have agreed that you feel that in this process of assimilation, you yourself would have nothing to give up, but everyone not assimilated would only have to give up their cultural identities.

And then in reality you only focus on the Jews.

That basically means everyone not you needs to become you, a white Caucasian Protestant (?) much more than it means becoming some sort of futurtopia enlightened star fleet netizen.
 
2012-09-16 09:58:34 PM  

japple1863: ....I guess we are both guilty of adding nothing then.


Yeah but I wasn't being an annoying smug douche about it.
 
2012-09-16 10:06:33 PM  

Amos Quito: vygramul: Those farking Israelis, eamirite Amos?


What's you point, vygramul? You got something against kosher food?


I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether your focus - nay, obsession - with one group of people, and the manner in which you present your distaste, constitutes bigotry. Suffice to say, your protests do not explain how you engaged the subject in the referenced link.
 
2012-09-16 10:12:52 PM  

vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Those farking Israelis, eamirite Amos?


What's you point, vygramul? You got something against kosher food?

I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether your focus - nay, obsession - with one group of people, and the manner in which you present your distaste, constitutes bigotry. Suffice to say, your protests do not explain how you engaged the subject in the referenced link.


I can have serious misgivings with Iran without having anything against Islam. How is what he's saying any different? I do have serious misgivings about Israel without having issues with Jews.
 
2012-09-16 10:27:35 PM  

rohar: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Those farking Israelis, eamirite Amos?


What's you point, vygramul? You got something against kosher food?

I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether your focus - nay, obsession - with one group of people, and the manner in which you present your distaste, constitutes bigotry. Suffice to say, your protests do not explain how you engaged the subject in the referenced link.

I can have serious misgivings with Iran without having anything against Islam. How is what he's saying any different? I do have serious misgivings about Israel without having issues with Jews.


Oh, that is certainly possible. But go to the link I posted where Amos is comparing Jews to the KKK in a thread that has nothing to do with Zionism nor Israel.
 
2012-09-16 10:38:05 PM  

vygramul: rohar: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Those farking Israelis, eamirite Amos?


What's you point, vygramul? You got something against kosher food?

I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether your focus - nay, obsession - with one group of people, and the manner in which you present your distaste, constitutes bigotry. Suffice to say, your protests do not explain how you engaged the subject in the referenced link.

I can have serious misgivings with Iran without having anything against Islam. How is what he's saying any different? I do have serious misgivings about Israel without having issues with Jews.

Oh, that is certainly possible. But go to the link I posted where Amos is comparing Jews to the KKK in a thread that has nothing to do with Zionism nor Israel.


They were both Semites. Both hell bent on expanding their domain. Neither had any serious legal (local or international) claim to what they were doing. You'll gladly tell me how he was wrong?
 
2012-09-16 10:50:58 PM  

rohar: Amos Quito: rohar: Amos Quito:

Curious, do you self identify as Christian?

/no this isn't a "gotcha" question, pinky swear


No sir.

Not religious in any sense.

In fact, it would seem to me that religion is antithetical to "sense".

But there is more to some "religions" than simple "religion", you understand.

Had to ask. Turns out I see myself as a practicing Christian, but hardly religious. Churches ain't my thing. But then I agree with most of what you posted in this thread. Here's the kicker, some here would call me anti semitic for agreeing with your views. How is that possible if I am semitic. So is Ahmadinnerjacket. How the hell does that work?



Yeah, your agreeing with me on any point is likely to get you tagged with the Scarlet Letter of Fark. Personally, I don't worry about such trivia. I'm not fond of folks who s-t-r-e-t-c-h the truth in defense of their hypocrisy, but neither do I shirk from their attacks.

Kevlar skin. You'd have to work pretty damn hard to offend / rile me.

As for religion, as I said, I don't play, but that doesn't mean that I'm an "atheist" - in fact I'm currently inclined to "believe" that there is only one thing, that the one thing is all things and no thing. "God" is the creator AND the creation, and the stuff from which all things were created - if indeed anything exists beyond the realm of consciousness.

Just a thought. I shall continue to contemplate, and weigh other options.

And yes, Ahmadinnerjacket is said to be Jewish - and Libya's anti-Semitic Colonel Muammar Gadhafi was unquestionably Jewish.

But it seems that it is not WHAT you are that matters, but what you THINK you are, and how you behave in your dealings with others.

Peace, and Happy New Year.

Let's have another!
 
2012-09-16 10:53:46 PM  

Amos Quito: And yes, Ahmadinnerjacket is said to be Jewish - and Libya's anti-Semitic Colonel Muammar Gadhafi was unquestionably Jewish.


Damnit you dolt, you don't know the words used in this thread either.

Ahmadinnerjacket is likely Muslim. Muslims are semitic. So are Christians. The result is that none of them can be antisemitic. They ARE semitic.
 
2012-09-16 10:59:06 PM  

vygramul: rohar: vygramul: Amos Quito: vygramul: Those farking Israelis, eamirite Amos?


What's you point, vygramul? You got something against kosher food?

I'll leave it for the reader to decide whether your focus - nay, obsession - with one group of people, and the manner in which you present your distaste, constitutes bigotry. Suffice to say, your protests do not explain how you engaged the subject in the referenced link.

I can have serious misgivings with Iran without having anything against Islam. How is what he's saying any different? I do have serious misgivings about Israel without having issues with Jews.

Oh, that is certainly possible. But go to the link I posted where Amos is comparing Jews to the KKK in a thread that has nothing to do with Zionism nor Israel.



Headline of that thread:

Assemblyman apologizes for talking about crime in his 'Negrohood'

Neighborhood: BROOKLYN. Assemblyman: JEWISH, and had the NERVE to say that, as a Russian Jew, he couldn't POSSIBLY be racist!

""For the record, to accuse me or my campaign of intentionally using racially inflammatory language is an insult. As a person who faced the scourge of discrimination for being born Jewish in the Soviet Union, I reject any form of racial and ethnic bias."

Yeah. Right.

The K K K symbols I posted were all the marks of Jewish KASHRUTH organizations - outfits that certify foods and other goodies as KOSHER.

Were you really too dense to get the humor?

G'nite!
 
2012-09-17 12:01:49 AM  

rohar: So are Christians.


Uh no, unless you mean Arab Christians or something.
 
2012-09-17 12:06:30 AM  

TheJoe03: rohar: So are Christians.

Uh no, unless you mean Arab Christians or something.


Sem·ite
[sem-ahyt or, especially Brit., see-mahyt] Show IPA
noun
1.
a member of any of various ancient and modern peoples originating in southwestern Asia, including the Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
2.
a Jew.
3.
a member of any of the peoples descended from Shem, the eldest son of Noah.

LOLWUT?
 
2012-09-17 01:00:18 AM  

rohar: LOLWUT?


I say the same to you. There is no evidence Europeans are descended from Shem, the Bible is not proof. The Bible never even says they are anyway. Finally, Semitic relates to language, so you're wrong in that way as well. Good job showing yourself to be clueless though.
 
2012-09-17 01:02:12 AM  
You are honestly the only one here dumb enough to think Europeans are Semitic, not sure who told you they are. Take an anthropology class or something.
 
2012-09-17 01:21:42 AM  

TheJoe03: You are honestly the only one here dumb enough to think Europeans are Semitic, not sure who told you they are. Take an anthropology class or something.


I didn't say that did I. I said both Christianity and the Muslim religions are Semitic religions. Unless you think Jesus and Mohamed weren't Semitic.
 
2012-09-17 01:43:06 AM  
You're saying Christians are Semitic because Jesus was and it is impossible for a Christian to be anti-Semitic because of that?
 
2012-09-17 02:23:24 AM  

rohar: Muslims are semitic.


This to me is incorrect as well. Using your example of Amehdinajad (sp) and Qaddafi I must point out that Persian is not a Semitic language, and many North Africans are Berber (if not most, at least ethnically as opposed to being culturally Arabic).
 
2012-09-17 02:35:06 AM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: Where in the Constitution is Israel given the right to make us declare war?


It's in secret amendment they snuck in while everyone was looking away
 
2012-09-17 07:56:34 AM  

TheJoe03: rohar: LOLWUT?

I say the same to you. There is no evidence Europeans are descended from Shem, the Bible is not proof. The Bible never even says they are anyway. Finally, Semitic relates to language, so you're wrong in that way as well. Good job showing yourself to be clueless though.


Maybe because the Bible is a gigantic collection of bullshiat?
 
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