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(Think Progress)   Conservative organization criticizes women for dressing immodestly at mosques, and blames women for causing men to stare lustfully at them. Sorry, did I say "mosques"? I meant "churches"   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line
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2012-09-15 10:31:59 PM  
Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches. Well, given my attitude toward the Catholic Church, I was not too thrilled to be wearing those smelly, sweaty shawls that other strangers had on before me. But, when in Rome...and it was a gorgeous church.
 
2012-09-15 10:33:53 PM  
They shouldn't even be at church. They should stay in the kitchen making my sammiches.
 
2012-09-15 10:34:48 PM  
FTFA: In flyers and brochures on display at Values Voters, the social conservative conference where Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan spoke, an organization called Modesty Matters criticized women for dressing "immodestly" at church, and blamed women for causing men to stare lustfully at them.

Thank goodness they don't want Sharia law here :(
 
2012-09-15 10:36:49 PM  
But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.
 
2012-09-15 10:40:26 PM  
You poor, poor men. Constantly on guard to prevent your God-given lust from overtaking you. Won't somebody think of the poor, lustful men?
 
2012-09-15 10:41:08 PM  
Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.
 
2012-09-15 10:42:23 PM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.


Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.
 
2012-09-15 10:42:57 PM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.


If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.
 
2012-09-15 10:43:06 PM  
Every time a conservative troll posts, a woman has an abortion
 
2012-09-15 10:48:33 PM  
I'm waiting for someone from the church to start criticizing these rich men for holding on to worldly goods, not helping the needy, etc.

/Don't worry, I've got a chair, I know I'm gonna be here awhile.
 
2012-09-15 10:48:34 PM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.


Bless your heart!
 
2012-09-15 10:49:57 PM  
So tell me again why it's the women who need to do anything when the men can't keep it in their pants in the first place?
 
2012-09-15 10:52:28 PM  

themindiswatching: So tell me again why it's the women who need to do anything when the men can't keep it in their pants in the first place?


Because if they dress like that, it's no longer legitimate rape.

/I don't know how this works anymore.
//Logic train, next stop, oblivion.
 
2012-09-15 10:52:47 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.


Oh joy, that is consolation prize isn't it :/
 
2012-09-15 10:55:10 PM  

mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.


Considering how many of them say they would be evil bastards and wenches if it weren't for Christianity, yeah, we definitely would have stonings and lynchings if the law didn't prohibit it. I think that's why they're so against letting gays do stuff like marry, join the military, and even have butt sex. They're afraid that they'll start doing those things if they're legalized.
 
2012-09-15 10:56:44 PM  

Serious Black: mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.

Considering how many of them say they would be evil bastards and wenches if it weren't for Christianity, yeah, we definitely would have stonings and lynchings if the law didn't prohibit it. I think that's why they're so against letting gays do stuff like marry, join the military, and even have butt sex. They're afraid that they'll start doing those things if they're legalized.


Then they'll complain about men wearing jeans to church, that make their butts look so good...Jesus, help me be strong!

Idiots.
 
2012-09-15 11:02:37 PM  
Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?
 
2012-09-15 11:05:00 PM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.


Heh
 
2012-09-15 11:07:37 PM  

ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?


Yes, but is it really too much to ask that for two hours a week you don't dress like a skank?
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-09-15 11:07:43 PM  
A few years ago, during Christmas mass, my mom and sister were asked to put on a veil.

A wave of immigrants from Iraq had recently joined our Church, and they wanted every woman to wear a veil. My family has been going to that Church long before those immigrants arrived. Anyway, my mom basically told the lady "Why does God care what we wear on our head?" and walked right past her.
 
2012-09-15 11:17:25 PM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.


Jehovah
 
2012-09-15 11:19:01 PM  
FTFA: Republicans have repeatedly voted to cut funding for contraception, outlaw abortions, and defund Planned Parenthood. Now another far-right groups are eyeing a new battleground: the wardrobe.

Uh, one of these things is not like the others. Cutting funding and outlawing activities are official acts of the state. This is a private organization at a private conference expressing a cultural opinion that women should dress modestly. No, I don't agree with their apparent singling out of women, but just that's not the same thing as outlawing abortions defunding Planned Parenthood. This isn't Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.
 
2012-09-15 11:26:22 PM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death...Then we're still ahead.


upload.wikimedia.org

The USA has had its share of extrajudicial killings. Stones not required. In fact, I don't think stonings have ever really been the American method. Americans seem to prefer rope for public spectacle killings.
 
2012-09-15 11:34:48 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: Republicans have repeatedly voted to cut funding for contraception, outlaw abortions, and defund Planned Parenthood. Now another far-right groups are eyeing a new battleground: the wardrobe.

Uh, one of these things is not like the others. Cutting funding and outlawing activities are official acts of the state. This is a private organization at a private conference expressing a cultural opinion that women should dress modestly. No, I don't agree with their apparent singling out of women, but just that's not the same thing as outlawing abortions defunding Planned Parenthood. This isn't Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.


Yeah, a private conference featuring a ton of Republican speakers, including their VP nominee and the House Majority Leader. There's nothing at all political about this event, so we shouldn't comment on the people handing out pamphlets there.

Link
 
2012-09-15 11:35:22 PM  
Maybe they can have the women wear a head to toe garment, maybe with eye holes, with long sleeves and gloves. They can call it a "Burka", yeah, that's the ticket.

Why does god care what you wear? Why do you care that god cares?
 
2012-09-15 11:35:35 PM  
Almost all guys look at a woman they find attractive. Only farking creeps stare lustfully. In church or at a mall. And these men won't be farking creeps because shoulders are covered? I can almost feel bad for a woman that chooses to be part of a religion that puts her at fault for mere human drives that they've corrupted to be evil. Almost.
 
2012-09-15 11:36:46 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: Republicans have repeatedly voted to cut funding for contraception, outlaw abortions, and defund Planned Parenthood. Now another far-right groups are eyeing a new battleground: the wardrobe.

Uh, one of these things is not like the others. Cutting funding and outlawing activities are official acts of the state. This is a private organization at a private conference expressing a cultural opinion that women should dress modestly. No, I don't agree with their apparent singling out of women, but just that's not the same thing as outlawing abortions defunding Planned Parenthood. This isn't Ministry for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.


It is a conference however that is centered on supporting "proper" politicians, Paul Ryan spoke at it, Mittens taped a speech for the thing, it's not exactly like operating in a vacuum either
 
2012-09-15 11:50:52 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

is pleased that imperialistic infidels aren't completely immoral.
 
2012-09-15 11:56:21 PM  

ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?


I'm not sure "personal responsibility" meshes very well with more devout versions of either Christianity or Islam. So much of their world views seem to revolve around "God blessed me and I did well." or "It's all Gods plan; if He wanted me to succeed, i would have succeeded." so the idea that their own reaction to outside stimuli being out of their control is, sadly, just a very short step from their normal situation.
 
2012-09-16 12:02:44 AM  
If they want women to cover up they should at least put some clothes on the statue of the guy nailed to that cross. He's in a loincloth, for crying out loud.

/losing clothing leads to nailing
 
2012-09-16 12:06:15 AM  

CreamFilling: ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?

Yes, but is it really too much to ask that for two hours a week you don't dress like a skank?


I'll wear these hooker boots if I want to!
 
2012-09-16 12:12:05 AM  

Techhell: I'm not sure "personal responsibility" meshes very well with more devout versions of either Christianity or Islam. So much of their world views seem to revolve around "God blessed me and I did well." or "It's all Gods plan; if He wanted me to succeed, i would have succeeded."


I'm not sure "devout" is the most exact word, in the case of Prosperity Gospel Christianity. There's more than a few bits of the Bible that argue against worldly success and heavenly blessing going hand-in-hand.
 
2012-09-16 12:15:30 AM  

miss diminutive: If they want women to cover up they should at least put some clothes on the statue of the guy nailed to that cross. He's in a loincloth, for crying out loud.

/losing clothing leads to nailing


ROFL :)
 
2012-09-16 12:19:20 AM  

abb3w: Techhell: I'm not sure "personal responsibility" meshes very well with more devout versions of either Christianity or Islam. So much of their world views seem to revolve around "God blessed me and I did well." or "It's all Gods plan; if He wanted me to succeed, i would have succeeded."

I'm not sure "devout" is the most exact word, in the case of Prosperity Gospel Christianity. There's more than a few bits of the Bible that argue against worldly success and heavenly blessing going hand-in-hand.


Devout may be to general of a term, but it does seem like the more a person believes in God, the less personal responsibility they seem to want to take. God wanted that athlete to win. God has a plan and it's impossible to know, that's why the business failed, etc. If there's a better term for it than "devout", I'm all eyes.
 
2012-09-16 12:20:07 AM  
Isn't... I don't know, isn't being lustful a good thing, from a Christian perspective? Doesn't it help people be fruitful and multiply? I dunno. Seems like they're all farked up, anyway. fark their bronze age myths.
 
2012-09-16 12:21:23 AM  
At this point I have to wonder if they're just trying to lose.
 
2012-09-16 12:26:15 AM  

CreamFilling: ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?

Yes, but is it really too much to ask that for two hours a week you don't dress like a skank?


I dunno about you, but to me, for the majority of Christian women, Sunday mornings are the sexiest they'll dress all week.

/And it ain't because their usual clothes don't reveal anything...
 
2012-09-16 12:32:44 AM  
From the "Modesty: It's nothing to be ashamed of" pamphlet:"Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts."

mullahs in Iran say the exact same thing
 
2012-09-16 12:33:51 AM  
fta - From the "Modesty: It's nothing to be ashamed of" pamphlet:"Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts."

So can being awake, and eating, and breathing, a strong breeze, a favorite song, etc. I think of it a proof that God wants guys to be happy.
 
2012-09-16 12:39:33 AM  
Religion in the United States is like dealing with an on-edge retarded person. You have to listen to whatever their mind comes up with, but you discount it because you know their condition. And when they get out of line, you have to talk down to them because you know they simply don't inhabit a sphere that normal, rational people do. Seriously, it's gotten to the point where you have to basically stop taking these people seriously as adults and just treat them like they have a closed-head injury that basically makes them unable to comprehend the real world.

Only difference? Mentally disabled people know joy, more or less. Religious folk are just bitter, nasty, cruel, and dishonest.
 
2012-09-16 12:41:12 AM  
it's almost as if anyone can create a website and print all sorts of things.
 
2012-09-16 12:43:35 AM  
Conservatives and their churches are the most sex-obsessed sons of biatches on the planet. Perhaps if they stopped worrying about everyone else's sex lives and did something about having a healthy one of their own they would stop lusting after every and anything and start feeding the poor, healing the sick, etc. etc.
 
2012-09-16 12:47:59 AM  
lifeinlabels.files.wordpress.com

Immodesty: it causes you to witness maulings
 
2012-09-16 12:52:16 AM  
Why, did they have their heads uncovered?

/1 Corinthians 11:5-6
 
2012-09-16 12:52:36 AM  
No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?
 
2012-09-16 12:54:56 AM  

Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.


I would go out on a limb and say that this one isn't on the GOP.

FTA:

Values Voter Summit

Family Research Council

Modesty Matters


Yeah. Admittedly they're people that typically vote GOP, but this isn't a party position any more than the Black Panthers mostly voting democrat makes the Dems a racial supremacy organization.
 
2012-09-16 12:54:59 AM  
Next thing you know there will be a wild gangbang in the church. Perhaps it will be filmed and put on the internet.
 
2012-09-16 12:55:46 AM  

DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?


Better yet, male chastity belts?

imageshack.us
 
2012-09-16 12:56:22 AM  

MorrisBird: You poor, poor men. Constantly on guard to prevent your God-given lust from overtaking you. Won't somebody think of the poor, lustful men?


So no BIE then?
 
2012-09-16 12:59:47 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Religious folk are just bitter, nasty, cruel, and dishonest.


That might be a bit of a generalization. I don't like much about organized religions either, but there are a number of deeply religious people that are very happy, content, nice, and honest.

/It's not dishonest to profess something that is incorrect or untrue, if you believe it to be true.
 
2012-09-16 01:04:09 AM  

Serious Black: Considering how many of them say they would be evil bastards and wenches if it weren't for Christianity, yeah, we definitely would have stonings and lynchings if the law didn't prohibit it. I think that's why they're so against letting gays do stuff like marry, join the military, and even have butt sex. They're afraid that they'll start doing those things if they're legalized.


This.
I've had more than a handful of Christians in the South tell me "Well if you don't believe in God, why try to be good, there would be no such thing as good, why not just rape and kill if you can get away with it or do anything you want?"
The most "devout" (batshiat fundamentalist insane) Christians I've met usually have a pretty big history before they converted and were basically nihilists before breaking down and giving in to God because they couldn't handle their drug addictions or stay out of jail or get forgiveness anywhere but in the name of the Lord etc. etc.
 
2012-09-16 01:11:27 AM  

Somacandra: The USA has had its share of extrajudicial killings. Stones not required. In fact, I don't think stonings have ever really been the American method. Americans seem to prefer rope for public spectacle killings.


Now we just have the police for that.
 
2012-09-16 01:11:47 AM  

mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.


But they don't. And 99% of a chance they never will. (There's always a chance of a fluke.)

Can't really compare a table at some conference with a country wide law. I know you want to try but that is some Navel orange and Granny Smith apple comparing.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:00 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.

I would go out on a limb and say that this one isn't on the GOP.

FTA:

Values Voter Summit

Family Research Council

Modesty Matters

Yeah. Admittedly they're people that typically vote GOP, but this isn't a party position any more than the Black Panthers mostly voting democrat makes the Dems a racial supremacy organization.


When was the last time that the President taped a special speech for a meeting of the Black Panthers? When did Joe Biden go to speak before them? Have other key Democrats gone to big gatherings of Black Panthers? If not, then there might be a little difference between Black Panthers voting for Democrats and the highest levels of the Republican party showing up for a meeting of this summit.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:01 AM  

raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches


I have no idea what this means, so I just imagine that "roma" is a kick-ass metal band.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:32 AM  
Why not put out a pamphlet extolling the virtue of self-control?

It's kinda like with rape: Instead of teaching wmen how not to get raped, wy don't we teach men and boys to not commit rape?
 
2012-09-16 01:16:41 AM  
Could someone please remind me what century it is?
 
2012-09-16 01:18:07 AM  

corteran: Could someone please remind me what century it is?


12th
 
2012-09-16 01:18:19 AM  
The modesty stuff all goes hand in hand with people wanting to maintain a patriarchal hierarchy. Keep girls and women in long dresses and there's only so much that they can do. Blame them for making men lust and cause them to feel guilty about their bodies and sexuality. And instead of going after grown men for being pervs for ogling teen and even pre-teen girls who are starting to get a figure, it's the girl's fault for "causing men to stumble".

I got that message far too much from the circles I grew up in and it took ages to get past the nagging feeling that I was doing something wrong if I wore a short skirt or a low cut top.
 
2012-09-16 01:20:18 AM  

Bucky Katt: corteran: Could someone please remind me what century it is?

12th


Thanks. But then why aren't these men wearing jaunty codpieces to cover their lustful arousals?

Like I do.
 
2012-09-16 01:24:20 AM  

mekki: mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.

But they don't. And 99% of a chance they never will. (There's always a chance of a fluke.)

Can't really compare a table at some conference with a country wide law. I know you want to try but that is some Navel orange and Granny Smith apple comparing.


Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.
 
2012-09-16 01:28:02 AM  

ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?


They are dedicated enough to religion to go to a conference like this - in what way are they *not* mentally deficient children?
 
2012-09-16 01:28:13 AM  
"A plague o' both your houses!" -- W.S.
 
2012-09-16 01:28:47 AM  

m2313: The most "devout" (batshiat fundamentalist insane) Christians I've met usually have a pretty big history before they converted and were basically nihilists before breaking down and giving in to God because they couldn't handle their drug addictions or stay out of jail or get forgiveness anywhere but in the name of the Lord etc. etc.


This is really the crux of the problem. Most of the batshiat crazies I have met at church have been like this too. They would be batshiat crazy without religion, its just religion gives the crazies a way to organize, just like PTA or whatever organzation (plenty of PTA crazies out there, if you have the privilage of having kids). Really the watchword should be "moderation". Ben Franklin had this right, aristotle had this right. Hell, even Jesus had this right. Some of his followers, not so much.
 
2012-09-16 01:31:41 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 01:35:11 AM  

Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.


GOP women write this shiat.
 
2012-09-16 01:39:04 AM  
They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.
 
2012-09-16 01:39:57 AM  
This is just damned silly. I'm a Republican, and I happen to be disdainful of the jackasses who hand out such rubbish. I think Modest Matters is an offshoot of the LDS, and I would ignore them. Hopefully, one day--after Romney loses--the GOP will unchain itself from the social conservatives.
/Can we, somehow, get Condi to run in 2016? Please? Pretty please?
//And I am not looking forward to four more years of Obama. It, however, seems inevitable.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:18 AM  
The thing that scares me the most about this sort of thing is that I'm surrounded on a daily basis by people that I have cordial and respectful conversations with, who are desperately trying all day not to rape or harass women based on what they're wearing. That this innate male urge of "Yeah, looks good, I'd hit that" is the woman's fault for looking hittable is one of the more tragic results of religion, considering all of its consequences.
 
2012-09-16 01:41:18 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.

I would go out on a limb and say that this one isn't on the GOP.

FTA:

Values Voter Summit

Family Research Council

Modesty Matters

Yeah. Admittedly they're people that typically vote GOP, but this isn't a party position any more than the Black Panthers mostly voting democrat makes the Dems a racial supremacy organization.


Bullshiat. Mainstream Republicans have been pandering to this group of nuts for decades. They have been courting them like they were Helen of Troy.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:25 AM  

red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.


Notice, it's all pics of WOMEN who signed it and promote it.

The Republican/fundie WOMEN are waging the war on women, because they're petty and competitive biatches.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:27 AM  
Modesty Matters, not Modest Matters. Jackasses, no matter how you spell it.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:48 AM  
It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:02 AM  

rynthetyn: The modesty stuff all goes hand in hand with people wanting to maintain a patriarchal hierarchy. Keep girls and women in long dresses and there's only so much that they can do. Blame them for making men lust and cause them to feel guilty about their bodies and sexuality. And instead of going after grown men for being pervs for ogling teen and even pre-teen girls who are starting to get a figure, it's the girl's fault for "causing men to stumble".

I got that message far too much from the circles I grew up in and it took ages to get past the nagging feeling that I was doing something wrong if I wore a short skirt or a low cut top.


I think it is a bunch of guys who struggle with their rape fantasies every single day.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:53 AM  

PillsHere: It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.


Might as well make the womenfolk were burkhas.
 
2012-09-16 01:47:14 AM  
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"You Republicans are way too extreme. Lighten up."
 
2012-09-16 01:47:35 AM  

red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.


Meh, that's the kind of stupid fluff that's been floating around church women's groups for eons.
 
2012-09-16 01:48:47 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.

Notice, it's all pics of WOMEN who signed it and promote it.

The Republican/fundie WOMEN are waging the war on women, because they're petty and competitive biatches.


They're a subset of a group called Life Action Ministries out of Michigan. They're "revivalists" and non-affiliated with any known denomination, although it wouldn't be difficult to classify them as crazy-ass bible thumpers and a personality cult.
 
2012-09-16 01:49:55 AM  

PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.


Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.
 
2012-09-16 01:51:00 AM  

Sabyen91: PillsHere: It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Might as well make the womenfolk were burkhas.


they should wear them too ;)
 
2012-09-16 01:53:54 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.


And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.
 
2012-09-16 01:54:04 AM  

Bucky Katt: Sabyen91: PillsHere: It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Might as well make the womenfolk were burkhas.

they should wear them too ;)


No, they should where them!

/facepalming myself.
 
2012-09-16 01:55:04 AM  

rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.


More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"
 
2012-09-16 01:56:42 AM  
The Crucible isn't a how-to guide!
 
2012-09-16 02:01:20 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: GAT_00: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.

Oh joy, that is consolation prize isn't it :/


As long as we're somehow better than "they" are, OUR behavior, no matter how execrable, is still beyond criticism.

"We don't cut our women's Achilles tendons to hobble them! We just chain them to the wall! Vote for us!"
 
2012-09-16 02:01:37 AM  

miss diminutive: DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?

Better yet, male chastity belts?

[imageshack.us image 575x420]


That's not better, unless you're into that kind of thing. *shudder*

Besides, can you name even one farker who has ever requested that you wear restrictive garments, er, any restrictive non-fetish clothing?
 
2012-09-16 02:02:05 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.

More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"


Nah, that's just the Catholics. With protestants, it's usually the pastor having an affair with the church secretary or a deacon's wife. Well, unless their crusade is against gays, then you know they're going to get caught in a public restroom somewhere.
 
2012-09-16 02:07:15 AM  

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.

More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"

Nah, that's just the Catholics. With protestants, it's usually the pastor having an affair with the church secretary or a deacon's wife. Well, unless their crusade is against gays, then you know they're going to get caught in a public restroom somewhere.


The church I grew up in (United Methodist) was so boring and lacking in scandals. I feel robbed.
 
2012-09-16 02:07:45 AM  
Sometimes I think modern religious people would like to go back to using Hammurabi's Code or the Assyrian Law Code. Times were better then I'm sure!
 
2012-09-16 02:13:07 AM  

rynthetyn:
Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.


I have you farkied as (favorite: From a dark, benighted, putrid corner of crackerdom.) Now that I realize this it isn't a tongue-in-cheek description of a rural community where you grew up, I'm going to have to find an amusing quote from you.

And those idiots are scary. We (Jews) have been making our implementation of Torah more humane for millennia, and we have the entire paper trail readily available to anybody willing to put in the study time. What you're describing is horriffic and beggars the imagination.

*sorrowfully blanks rynthetyn's farkie*
 
2012-09-16 02:13:48 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [Offred from Handmaid's Tale.jpg]


Oh, good, someone posted this so I don't have to.
 
2012-09-16 02:19:03 AM  

Bucky Katt: From the "Modesty: It's nothing to be ashamed of" pamphlet:"Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts."

mullahs in Iran say the exact same thing


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-09-16 02:20:27 AM  

red5ish: Link


fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?
 
2012-09-16 02:22:13 AM  
blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?
 
2012-09-16 02:23:08 AM  

violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?


Not according to the Republican Party. We are apparently stuck in the 15th century.
 
2012-09-16 02:28:10 AM  

Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?


You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:08 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: rynthetyn:
Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.

I have you farkied as (favorite: From a dark, benighted, putrid corner of crackerdom.) Now that I realize this it isn't a tongue-in-cheek description of a rural community where you grew up, I'm going to have to find an amusing quote from you.

And those idiots are scary. We (Jews) have been making our implementation of Torah more humane for millennia, and we have the entire paper trail readily available to anybody willing to put in the study time. What you're describing is horriffic and beggars the imagination.

*sorrowfully blanks rynthetyn's farkie*


Don't worry, that's not what my life was ever like. My family was fairly mainstream middle/upper middle class. It's just that you know that show "Cougartown"? It's pretty much a satire of the area where I grew up. For reals, the show is based on that part of Florida, where there's an utterly baffling mix of people who somehow end up operating in the same social circles. Like, on one hand, I didn't realize until I went off to college that it's really not normal for your parents to be acquaintances with MLB coaches or to grow up hearing stories about how an orange juice magnate secretly donated the money for your mother to study in England, but on the other hand, I knew tons of crazy fundamentalists too.

All the stuff about Rushdooney and Chalcedon Foundation is stuff I studied in college.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:31 AM  

Sabyen91: violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?

Not according to the Republican Party. We are apparently stuck in the 15th century.


I'm confused again. Someone told me it was the 12th
 
2012-09-16 02:31:06 AM  

corteran: Sabyen91: violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?

Not according to the Republican Party. We are apparently stuck in the 15th century.

I'm confused again. Someone told me it was the 12th


Well, any time before the 18th would probably work.
 
2012-09-16 02:33:02 AM  

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.

More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"

Nah, that's just the Catholics. With protestants, it's usually the pastor having an affair with the church secretary or a deacon's wife. Well, unless their crusade is against gays, then you know they're going to get caught in a public restroom somewhere.

The church I grew up in (United Methodist) was so boring and lacking in scandals. I feel robbed.


The only scandal I experienced personally was when I was really little and the wife of the head deacon at my Southern Baptist church had an affair with the music minister (apparently Southern Baptists are the only ones that have straight music ministers).

Back in the 60s my uncle was a youth minister at an independent church when his wife, the church secretary/pianist, had an affair with the pastor. They sent out a letter to the entire congregation announcing that God wanted them to be together, divorced their respective spouses, and got married. Oh, and took half the church with them to their new church when they left.
 
2012-09-16 02:34:08 AM  
FTA: In flyers and brochures on display at Values Voters, the social conservative conference where Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan spoke, an organization called Modesty Matters criticized women for dressing "immodestly" at church, and blamed women for causing men to stare lustfully at them.

Phyllis Schlafly reads the above, smiles and the cobwebs around her cooter acquire the tensile strength needed to stabilize the cables of the Golden Gate bridge.
 
2012-09-16 02:40:28 AM  
God wanted me to dress this way for church. God wants you to keep your eyes above my neck.
 
2012-09-16 02:43:09 AM  

Olympic Trolling Judge: Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?

You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.


YAY!

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-16 02:43:52 AM  

Notabunny: Olympic Trolling Judge: Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?

You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.

YAY!

[img.photobucket.com image 800x600]


Those dolls look scared.
 
2012-09-16 02:45:04 AM  

Sabyen91: Notabunny: Olympic Trolling Judge: Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?

You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.

YAY!

[img.photobucket.com image 800x600]

Those dolls look scared.


Don't listen to them. They know the routine.
 
2012-09-16 02:45:20 AM  
i54.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-16 02:46:22 AM  

rynthetyn: It's pretty much a satire of the area where I grew up. For reals, the show is based on that part of Florida, where there's an utterly baffling mix of people who somehow end up operating in the same social circles. Like, on one hand, I didn't realize until I went off to college that it's really not normal for your parents to be acquaintances with MLB coaches or to grow up hearing stories about how an orange juice magnate secretly donated the money for your mother to stud ...


*sighs with relief and restores farkie*

Still, it is batshiat insane scary that they want to regress to 8th or 7th century BCE Jewish practices.
 
2012-09-16 02:46:40 AM  

Sabyen91: Notabunny: Olympic Trolling Judge: Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?

You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.

YAY!

[img.photobucket.com image 800x600]

Those dolls look scared.


The one on the right looks cold.
 
2012-09-16 02:49:22 AM  
Fear.

Control.
 
2012-09-16 02:51:54 AM  

gadian: God wanted me to dress this way for church. God wants you to keep your eyes above my neck.


(1) Oh no, God wants you to wear way sluttier than that
(2a) Fine with me, I have good peripheral vision
(2b) Fine with me; you said nothing about where they can be pointed, just they be positioned above your neck when I pointed them.
 
2012-09-16 02:52:31 AM  

corteran: Sabyen91: Notabunny: Olympic Trolling Judge: Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?

You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.

YAY!

[img.photobucket.com image 800x600]

Those dolls look scared.

The one on the right looks cold.


Hah! I didn't notice that. Anatomically correct.
 
2012-09-16 02:56:13 AM  

phalamir: (1) Oh no, God wants you to wear way sluttier than that
(2a) Fine with me, I have good peripheral vision
(2b) Fine with me; you said nothing about where they can be pointed, just they be positioned above your neck when I pointed them.


Technically correct is God's favorite kind of correct.
 
2012-09-16 02:57:28 AM  

violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?


Nope. because it's not just Christians, you see. As long as guys keep up that "WTF did you expect, stop being such a farking PRUDE! We're men!" shiat when women call them out for treating us like glorified realdolls, we're stuck here. As long as women make themselves the arbiters of how much sex is appropriate for anyone to want (and that amount is "less than they want now"), we're stuck here. As long as feminists keep spreading that "Every man is a potential rapist" shiat to rebel against all that, we're stuck here.

Christianity has influenced our culture to such a degree, it's going to take farking millennia to undo the damage.
 
2012-09-16 03:00:36 AM  
The only reason I go to church is to see the slutty young folk.
 
2012-09-16 03:19:08 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: rynthetyn: It's pretty much a satire of the area where I grew up. For reals, the show is based on that part of Florida, where there's an utterly baffling mix of people who somehow end up operating in the same social circles. Like, on one hand, I didn't realize until I went off to college that it's really not normal for your parents to be acquaintances with MLB coaches or to grow up hearing stories about how an orange juice magnate secretly donated the money for your mother to stud ...

*sighs with relief and restores farkie*

Still, it is batshiat insane scary that they want to regress to 8th or 7th century BCE Jewish practices.


Yeah, it is scary, especially because we're not talking about uneducated hicks who believe that way. You've got people in major seminaries teaching theonomy, and you've got a lot of politicians who have been influenced by theonomists, but most people don't have a clue that it's even a thing. The problem is that it's ridiculously difficult to argue with a theonomist because despite wanting to return us back to ancient Old Testament law, they're also absurdly relativist. Everything is about "presuppositions", and if you tell them, "Dude, stoning gay people is wrong," they'll be like, "That's just because of your presuppositions, our presupposition is that Law comes from God and that it's set forth in the Bible, so you can't question us wanting to stone people just because your presuppositions are different than ours." You can't argue because they either force you to argue from their presuppositions (which of course reach their conclusion), or else they just won't even listen to you because "it's just your presuppositions." And you can't attack their presuppositions because attacking them is merely demonstrating that you have a different set of presuppositions.

Basically, the only way to win the game is to refuse to play because they've rigged the rules so that you can't win a debate against them. If that whole thing I just wrote about presuppositions seems really convoluted, that's the simplified version, it really is just a ridiculously convoluted logic trap.
 
2012-09-16 03:26:22 AM  

rynthetyn: demaL-demaL-yeH: Still, it is batshiat insane scary that they want to regress to 8th or 7th century BCE Jewish practices.

Yeah, it is scary, especially because we're not talking about uneducated hicks who believe that way. You've got people in major seminaries teaching theonomy, and you've got a lot of politicians who have been influenced by theonomists, but most people don't have a clue that it's even a thing. The problem is that it's ridiculously difficult to argue with a theonomist because despite wanting to return us back to ancient Old Testament law, they're also absurdly relativist. Everything is about "presuppositions", and if you tell them, "Dude, stoning gay people is wrong," they'll be like, "That's just because of your presuppositions, our presupposition is that Law comes from God and that it's set forth in the Bible, so you can't question us wanting to stone people just because your presuppositions are different than ours." You can't argue because they either force you to argue from their presuppositions (which of course reach their conclusion), or else they just won't even listen to you because "it's just your presuppositions." And you can't attack their presuppositions because attacking them is merely demonstrating that you have a different set of presuppositions.

Basically, the only way to win the game is to refuse to play because they've rigged the rules so that you can't win a debate against them. If that whole thing I just wrote about presuppositions seems really convoluted, that's the simplified version, it really is just a ridiculously convoluted logic trap.


That is not logic. Do you realize just how absolutely pants-on-fire-on-head retarded that sounds to a man whose religious tradition has been wrestling with the text in the original Hebrew and its supplementary documentation, complete with arguments, nuance, unresolved disputes, and philosophy for millennia?
 
2012-09-16 03:31:35 AM  
Married my ex-wife in her very conservative church (Presbyterian, even though the Presbyterian church isn't particularly conservative by nature and is downright "liberal" in contrast to the Southern Baptist/Assembly of God churches that permeate the South), but this particular church was in Tulsa, the buckle of the bible belt. Three years later, the pastor was forced out for farking the church secretary. This being the same pastor who in mandatory pre-marriage counseling sessions had made certain he had pounded home the message of the sinfulness of not only actually having an affair, but even the lusting in your heart.

Had a good friend in law school who's father was a retired Methodist Minister. He had recently "come out of the closet" (not in the gay way, but in the agnostic/atheist way) and he related to me that part of his conversion from Christian to Atheist was that when he looked around and saw how easy it was for so many of the ministers/pastors he knew around him to break their vows, he had concluded that there was no way that they really believed what they were preaching. (He also mentioned that so many of his colleagues straight up confessed their disbelief, like the more exposure to the bible they had, the less and less they believed what it contained.) Very impressive guy, who also warned me about life in the "south" in Christian circles, - that if in the first five minutes of meeting someone, if they brought up the subject of Christianity and started talking about Christ, their church, their faith, etc. to put your hand on the wallet because they were about to either try to rip you off or talk you into giving them money. (this later proved to be amazingly prescient advice)
 
2012-09-16 03:37:22 AM  
That's the problem with these religious farks. carrying around all of that sexual frustration makes em crazy. Why do you think those farks in the mid east are so pissed off? They cover their women and even have to dance with each other at social events because touching a woman is like touching the devil. Sorry but any god that would dictate that women must be covered is a stupid god. Women are beautiful to behold and to deny that beauty is in itself a sin. Fark all religion. I quote Ferris Beuller quoting John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me."
 
2012-09-16 03:39:22 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: rynthetyn: demaL-demaL-yeH: Still, it is batshiat insane scary that they want to regress to 8th or 7th century BCE Jewish practices.

Yeah, it is scary, especially because we're not talking about uneducated hicks who believe that way. You've got people in major seminaries teaching theonomy, and you've got a lot of politicians who have been influenced by theonomists, but most people don't have a clue that it's even a thing. The problem is that it's ridiculously difficult to argue with a theonomist because despite wanting to return us back to ancient Old Testament law, they're also absurdly relativist. Everything is about "presuppositions", and if you tell them, "Dude, stoning gay people is wrong," they'll be like, "That's just because of your presuppositions, our presupposition is that Law comes from God and that it's set forth in the Bible, so you can't question us wanting to stone people just because your presuppositions are different than ours." You can't argue because they either force you to argue from their presuppositions (which of course reach their conclusion), or else they just won't even listen to you because "it's just your presuppositions." And you can't attack their presuppositions because attacking them is merely demonstrating that you have a different set of presuppositions.

Basically, the only way to win the game is to refuse to play because they've rigged the rules so that you can't win a debate against them. If that whole thing I just wrote about presuppositions seems really convoluted, that's the simplified version, it really is just a ridiculously convoluted logic trap.

That is not logic. Do you realize just how absolutely pants-on-fire-on-head retarded that sounds to a man whose religious tradition has been wrestling with the text in the original Hebrew and its supplementary documentation, complete with arguments, nuance, unresolved disputes, and philosophy for millennia?


Oh, no doubt it's batshiat insane and retarded, it's also completely impossible to argue against. Not to mention that theonomists don't just present their whole twisted system to you at once.

As I said, it really boils down to a foundation based on complete relativism. It's little different than the coworker I once had who fancied himself a liberal freethinker, but who was so relativist that he couldn't bring himself to condemn slavery or the holocaust because "that was their belief system, we can't judge them based on our beliefs now."
 
2012-09-16 03:39:22 AM  

pacmanner: That's the problem with these religious farks. carrying around all of that sexual frustration makes em crazy. Why do you think those farks in the mid east are so pissed off? They cover their women and even have to dance with each other at social events because touching a woman is like touching the devil. Sorry but any god that would dictate that women must be covered is a stupid god. Women are beautiful to behold and to deny that beauty is in itself a sin. Fark all religion. I quote Ferris Beuller quoting John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles. I just believe in me."


No kidding. Just spank it once in awhile, you pervs.
 
2012-09-16 03:51:12 AM  

rynthetyn: "That's just because of your presuppositions, our presupposition is that Law comes from God and that it's set forth in the Bible,


Solly the Greek really farked up: "Torah" far more closely corresponds to "The Teachings" or "Instruction" than it does "Law".

Read it: It contains stories about ordinary, even unsavory, human beings who try to do better and sometimes go on to accomplish extraordinary things - in spite of themselves - with the help of divine inspiration. Moses was a murderer. Jacob/Israel was a birthright-thieving heel. (That's what Jacob means, by the way, "Heel" - in both the literal and figurative sense of the English word.) Isaac was another younger son inheriting, and a big wuss, to boot. Abraham could have been accused of, well, pimping out his wife. Twice. David was an adulterer and murderer. And so on.
 
2012-09-16 03:57:47 AM  

WhoIsNotInMyKitchen: The only reason I go to church is to see the slutty young folk.


One reason I don't go to my church much lately.. no single women between 16 and 60. And I can count the married women there in that age range on one hand, usually. Yeah, I still get called a young man.
 
2012-09-16 04:38:26 AM  

DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?


i.huffpost.com
They sell these blurry glasses for ten shekels in Bnei Brak. Any farkers in the Bible Bent want to set up an import business?
 
2012-09-16 04:46:28 AM  

shpritz: DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]
They sell these blurry glasses for ten shekels in Bnei Brak. Any farkers in the Bible Bent want to set up an import business?


Or I could save postage and buy a sheet of extra fine sandpaper and $1.99 low-index reading glasses at the local pharmacy by myself.
 
2012-09-16 06:16:42 AM  
Examples of immodest dress at church needed. Actual examples preferred
 
2012-09-16 07:42:26 AM  
Didn't click on article but, I wholeheartldly support the idea of a wee bit more modesty. I'm not a man (nor am I fat before people come in and suggest that) but, I have seen more rear crack (on all figures, ages etc.), underwear (dirty or otherwise) and skin (in all all shapes, age groups) in the last few years then I really care to see in my lifetime.

Seriously, it can't hurt to cover up a bit--religious or not. A female hairy rear crack just isn't appealing. Period.
 
2012-09-16 08:01:24 AM  
See, this stuff originates from Bible verses like this:

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. - Matthew 5:28-29

Both very religious and non-religious straight men will look at an attractive woman walking by and think "Damn, that's the kind of trunk space you want on a late-model car." In the instant following the glance, however, the non-religious dude with think "Hey, I should get out my phone and check my email," whereas the fundamentalist with think "OH NO! I've sinned against God and against by future wife by lusting after that harlot! I've let Jesus down again, and if I keep willfully violating God's commands like that I'm in danger of going to hell! Help me Jesus I'm so sorry I'm scum I'm bad I'm not worthy I'm so sorry forgive me forgive me......Whew. Hey, nice legs at 2 o'clock...Oh No!!"

It's not that fundamentalist guys think that it would ever be justified for them to harass/attack women who dress revealingly, (though they may still think that those skanky girls have it coming from guys less sanctified than themselves.) It's that the self-thought-policing nature of the religion makes any enjoyment of secondary sexual characteristics a grave sin, and since you're supposed to help your brothers in Christ avoid temptation, what good Christian woman wouldn't want to cover up to prevent men from stumbling? It is consistent, if nothing else.

Of course, regardless of the intentions, women wind up with repressive morality codes. Moreover, you can imagine the sort of severe mental issues that can be caused by a couple decades of thinking that boobs will send you to hell. 

/ Also, based on all the stories from Tampa, rank-and-file fundamentalists might believe this, but Republican leaders sure don't
 
2012-09-16 08:25:54 AM  
yep. it is the men .as usual, who are the fsking innocent bystanders. fnck you all.

posted from my dumb phone in the dark, apologeez
 
2012-09-16 08:26:52 AM  
I agree with the church/mosque on this one.

Certain places should have standards, and in this day and age people seem to think they can wear thongs, sweat pants, and sleeveless T-shiats, etc anywhere they go. Show a little class.
 
2012-09-16 08:32:23 AM  

miss diminutive: Better yet, male chastity belts?


I could actually do with one of those, do you know if they make them in adult sizes?
 
2012-09-16 08:37:23 AM  
So, we finally find out why the 'conservative' christian tea party nutjob hates Muslims. They are jealous. They are upset that the Muslims live in a society ruled by religious fanaticism. They blame Muslims for being evil and what not, but they are pissed off because the Muslims have found some way of getting their people to follow the leaders blindly.

/it's the only explanation I can think of
 
2012-09-16 08:38:18 AM  
The people who beat themselves with whips,
are the same who think it should be done to others...
 
2012-09-16 08:44:22 AM  

kukukupo: I agree with the church/mosque on this one.

Certain places should have standards, and in this day and age people seem to think they can wear thongs, sweat pants, and sleeveless T-shiats, etc anywhere they go. Show a little class.


I have no problem with specific churches or local organizations having dress codes for events, but forming national coalitions to try to influence national lawmakers to adopt that kind of micromanaging regulatory attitude gets you a big old 100% American go-fark-yourself made right here in the U.S.A.

The First Church of Christ the Wearer of Three-piece Suits doesn't get to tell the campus intramural disc golf and outdoor Christ worship club that they can't wear shorts while catching a frisbee for Jesus, is what I'm saying here.

//You can base your little club on whatever bullshiat you want, but you don't get to tell other people's clubs how to handle their own shiat.
 
2012-09-16 08:54:33 AM  
Christian churches, unlike Islamic mosques, actually allow women to attend services with men.

Only a DerpCon 5 Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites
 
2012-09-16 08:58:20 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: shpritz: DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?

[i.huffpost.com image 260x190]
They sell these blurry glasses for ten shekels in Bnei Brak. Any farkers in the Bible Bent want to set up an import business?

Or I could save postage and buy a sheet of extra fine sandpaper and $1.99 low-index reading glasses at the local pharmacy by myself.


It's a decal, actually. They sell those too for one shekel each for people that already wear glasses.
 
2012-09-16 09:05:40 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Christian churches, unlike Islamic mosques, actually allow women to attend services with men.

Only a DerpCon 5 Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites


If you're talking about US churches, Mosques typically don't have divided services either. And in the middle east and eastern Europe where they're common in Islam they're fairly frequent in Christian congregations, it's more of a general cultural thing than a religion-specific thing.

//Assuming genuine ignorance rather than trolling 'cause I'm a nice guy or some shiat.
 
2012-09-16 09:06:56 AM  
Modesty is in the eye of the beholder.

www.mikarose.com

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 09:18:34 AM  

mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.


Some people deserve to be hit repeatedly with rocks until they're dead.
 
2012-09-16 09:27:47 AM  
Even San Francisco is tired of looking at people dressed immodestly.

District 8 Supervisor Scott Wiener, who represents the city's Castro district, told The Bay Area Reporter that he is "considering" a legislative proposal on public nudity. "People can have whatever view they want to have on public nudity in general. But to be walking around with a cock ring on or something similar is just not acceptable, responsible behavior," Wiener, who is openly gay, told the publication. "The whole purpose of a cock ring is to draw attention to that area."
 
2012-09-16 09:33:54 AM  

smitty04: District 8 Supervisor Scott Wiener, who represents the city's Castro district, told The Bay Area Reporter that he is "considering" a legislative proposal on public nudity.


*Giggles immaturely*

You can't make that stuff up.
 
2012-09-16 09:34:22 AM  
DancingElkCondor (farkied: Blithering idiot birther): Only a DerpCon 5bullschitt wingnut strawman version of a Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites

FTFY, or can you show me some examples of "DerpCon 5 Liberals" who "say nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam"?

Or is any criticism of Christians supposed to be followed by "but the Scary Mooselimbs blah blah blah"?

Or are we just not supposed to criticize Christians at all, except for the Scary Black Preacher?
 
2012-09-16 09:35:59 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: DancingElkCondor (farkied: Blithering idiot birther): Only a DerpCon 5bullschitt wingnut strawman version of a Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites

FTFY, or can you show me some examples of "DerpCon 5 Liberals" who "say nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam"?

Or is any criticism of Christians supposed to be followed by "but the Scary Mooselimbs blah blah blah"?

Or are we just not supposed to criticize Christians at all, except for the Scary Black Preacher?


Well you know how fragile and precious Christians are in this country. Even though they are the majority in the US, they still feel unfairly treated and persecuted donchaknow.
 
2012-09-16 09:36:18 AM  

Techhell: If there's a better term for it than "devout", I'm all eyes.


It seems the underlying notion would be zealous emphasis on "just world" epistemological closure, but I admit I don't have a particularly better word to suggest.

rynthetyn: You can't argue because they either force you to argue from their presuppositions (which of course reach their conclusion), or else they just won't even listen to you because "it's just your presuppositions."


I seem to have had some minimal luck at least confusing that sort by starting from premises apparently too basic to bother denying, but mostly just in confusing the hell out of them.

rynthetyn: As I said, it really boils down to a foundation based on complete relativism.


Aside from the single privileged framework being one arbitrarily selected as attributed to God.

shotglasss: Some people deserve to be hit repeatedly with rocks until they're dead.


The problem is they seem to be more often on the rock-throwing end of the process.

And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you". - from the gospel of John chapter 8
 
2012-09-16 09:44:23 AM  
It's all about teen agers.

What better way to exploit hormone overload than to make "thinking about sex" a near criminal act.

That a religious authority takes advantage of those confused young people is just an amusing side effect I'm sure. And why would a Values Voter not want to go along for the ride?
 
2012-09-16 10:01:10 AM  
.

^^^ Is Okay, dressing conservatively for church is an outrage though.
 
2012-09-16 10:02:31 AM  

Giltric: .

^^^ Is Okay, dressing conservatively for church is an outrage though.


new and improved with more then just a microdot to click on.
 
2012-09-16 10:03:45 AM  

BitwiseShift: It's all about teen agers.

What better way to exploit hormone overload than to make "thinking about sex" a near criminal act.



I am guessing I am in line for a life sentence.

thecount.com
 
2012-09-16 10:08:43 AM  

monoski: BitwiseShift: It's all about teen agers.

What better way to exploit hormone overload than to make "thinking about sex" a near criminal act.


I am guessing I am in line for a life sentence.

[thecount.com image 850x1369]


Fark will ban you for showing pictures of people not dressed modestly, you kept it within limits.
 
2012-09-16 10:11:19 AM  
Altar boys dress conservatively, yet it doesn't seem to stop priests from raping them. Maybe the problem is you, rather than the theory that everyone you are lusting after is somehow secretly enticing you against your will?
 
2012-09-16 10:15:20 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Christian churches, unlike Islamic mosques, actually allow women to attend services with men.

Only a DerpCon 5 Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites


I love this apologia: "We don't have the power in the west to get away with the fanaticism common in the middle east, so we haven't resumed stoning adulteresses or burning witches, yet".
Great defense, there, sparky.
 
2012-09-16 10:15:42 AM  
[Browses article]

i1169.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-16 10:16:32 AM  
It's really too much to ask for modesty in dress and actions in a church? What is the argument against this?

All of you religion-bashers obviously have no place in a church, and wouldn't want to be in one.

Some people take their faith somewhat seriously. It's not an unreasonable request.

The only thing that gets me is that they're always asking WOMEN to be modest, even though clearly it should be expected of both sexes. Trust me, I'm Muslim, and it's infuriating sometimes.
 
2012-09-16 10:27:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan: DancingElkCondor: Christian churches, unlike Islamic mosques, actually allow women to attend services with men.

Only a DerpCon 5 Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites

If you're talking about US churches, Mosques typically don't have divided services either. And in the middle east and eastern Europe where they're common in Islam they're fairly frequent in Christian congregations, it's more of a general cultural thing than a religion-specific thing.

//Assuming genuine ignorance rather than trolling 'cause I'm a nice guy or some shiat.


Islam forbids mixed-gender services. The men are supposed to be seperated from women. Obviously, you have zero knowledge of Islam...like most ignorant libs
 
2012-09-16 10:29:14 AM  

Jamrock: It's really too much to ask for modesty in dress and actions in a church? What is the argument against this?

All of you religion-bashers obviously have no place in a church, and wouldn't want to be in one.

Some people take their faith somewhat seriously. It's not an unreasonable request.

The only thing that gets me is that they're always asking WOMEN to be modest, even though clearly it should be expected of both sexes. Trust me, I'm Muslim, and it's infuriating sometimes.


Ta daaaaa.
 
2012-09-16 10:30:04 AM  

DancingElkCondor: [herp a derp]


Account created: 2012-06-07 01:45:36
 
2012-09-16 10:30:13 AM  
It's amazing how insulting this attitude is towards women and men. Against women, it suggests that it is their fault whenever people make them uncomfortable or hurt them because of how they look. Against men, it suggests that we are so lacking in even minimal self-control that a little bit of cleavage can send us over the edge into lustful perverts and rapists.

How the hell any self-respecting person can claim to be religious is beyond me, when all it offers about the human condition is insult after insult. But then again, it isn't as though cognitive dissonance is an uncommon trait.
 
2012-09-16 10:32:10 AM  

DancingElkCondor: Jim_Callahan: DancingElkCondor: Christian churches, unlike Islamic mosques, actually allow women to attend services with men.

Only a DerpCon 5 Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites

If you're talking about US churches, Mosques typically don't have divided services either. And in the middle east and eastern Europe where they're common in Islam they're fairly frequent in Christian congregations, it's more of a general cultural thing than a religion-specific thing.

//Assuming genuine ignorance rather than trolling 'cause I'm a nice guy or some shiat.

Islam forbids mixed-gender services. The men are supposed to be seperated from women. Obviously, you have zero knowledge of Islam...like most ignorant libs


Seems like you don't either if you think that most Muslims are bloodthirsty murderers.

It would be like me generalizing Christianity based on the actions of Eric Rudolph and Fred Phelps.
 
2012-09-16 10:39:36 AM  

Kome: How the hell any self-respecting person can claim to be religious is beyond me, when all it offers about the human condition is insult after insult.


The game appears to be built such that your normal, human functions are considered filthy and wrong, and simply by possessing them you have committed a crime and must seek out help. It puts you into debt with the church for "cleansing" you, and the repayment is almost always financial. My personal favorite in this con-game is the concept of "original sin". They really got painted into a corner when they realized you can't claim a baby owes the church anything, so they came up with that whopper to explain how we are literally born into the world already in debt to the church. The guy who invented that one must have woke up laughing every morning.
 
2012-09-16 10:43:08 AM  
What a surprise! From the crowd where many people think raped women had it coming for the way they dress, and a resulting pregnancy is just a gift from God.
 
2012-09-16 10:57:56 AM  

Kome: Against men, it suggests that we are so lacking in even minimal self-control that a little bit of cleavage can send us over the edge into lustful perverts and rapists.


Again, I'd argue that that's not quite correct; The cleavage doesn't make you into a rapist, it just causes you to have lustful thoughts that morally/spiritually are just as bad as adultery and rape. When talking about how women are viewed by the ["saved"] men in church, the argument is not that women are "asking for it;" the emphasis is on preventing them from lusting at all, because that is a horrible sin in and of itself.

This is a very important distinction, because even those fundamentalists who view scantily-dressed women as inviting any and all sexual attention would not say that a Christian assaulting someone is justified. I have a more visceral aversion to fundamentalism than most, but when people misrepresent what the fundies are saying, it bugs me. You're never going to communicate with people if you don't learn how to discuss their version of an argument.
 
2012-09-16 11:00:16 AM  

raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches. Well, given my attitude toward the Catholic Church, I was not too thrilled to be wearing those smelly, sweaty shawls that other strangers had on before me. But, when in Rome...and it was a gorgeous church.


Yeah. I have a scarf that I throw in my bag for all sorts of occasions. Crazy how it works for both when I need to abide by the dress codes of where I am visiting, if the air conditioning is a bit chilly, *and* if I want a head covering because the mosquitoes are f--king attacking me.

DancingElkCondor: Christian churches, unlike Islamic mosques, actually allow women to attend services with men.

Only a DerpCon 5 Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites


Orthodox Jews do the same thing, you know.

/I know you do
 
2012-09-16 11:03:38 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Religion in the United States is like dealing with an on-edge retarded person. You have to listen to whatever their mind comes up with, but you discount it because you know their condition. And when they get out of line, you have to talk down to them because you know they simply don't inhabit a sphere that normal, rational people do. Seriously, it's gotten to the point where you have to basically stop taking these people seriously as adults and just treat them like they have a closed-head injury that basically makes them unable to comprehend the real world.
Only difference? Mentally disabled people know joy, more or less. Religious folk are just bitter, nasty, cruel, and dishonest.


My brother became one of those born-agains some years ago, and he's gone off the deep end. Maybe he was a mess before, but at least I never had to listen to someone tell me that I was "full of hate" and shiat like that before he went all Christian.

I dealt with our crappy childhoods one way and he went the other. Except now he's the "enlightened" one and I'm some kind of reject, because I said some things about our childhood and our mother that are blasphemous, or something. But at least I don't have to go around telling anyone that they're "full of hate", and as far as I'm concerned, my bro can live his life as he pleases. Too bad he can't grant me the same tolerance.

And, oh yeah, my brother was just as troubled as I was before he became "saved." He was a drug dealer, FFS, plus had a drug problem that made mine look pedestrian. I will give him points for not preaching constantly, but you know how many times you need to be told that you're a hateful person before you stop caring so much about them? Yeah, about once.
 
2012-09-16 11:15:50 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: Religion in the United States is like dealing with an on-edge retarded person. You have to listen to whatever their mind comes up with, but you discount it because you know their condition. And when they get out of line, you have to talk down to them because you know they simply don't inhabit a sphere that normal, rational people do. Seriously, it's gotten to the point where you have to basically stop taking these people seriously as adults and just treat them like they have a closed-head injury that basically makes them unable to comprehend the real world.

Only difference? Mentally disabled people know joy, more or less. Religious folk are just bitter, nasty, cruel, and dishonest.

 

You know I survived Christianity and it doesn't seem you have
 
2012-09-16 11:18:58 AM  
Oh, sure. Everyone mocks the religious for dress codes. But just try walking into a women's shelter as a man wearing a thong and a "Want some candy, little girl?" T-shirt, and see how soon the other sex's emotional reactions suddenly become sacrosanct.

Call it "triggering" or call it "immodesty", it works out to the same damn thing: put on some clothes appropriate to the social environment.
 
2012-09-16 11:21:59 AM  

Jairzinho: What a surprise! From the crowd where many people think raped women had it coming for the way they dress, and a resulting pregnancy is just a gift from God.


No. No. No. You're not keeping up. If there's a resulting pregnancy, she secretly wanted it and she's a vulgar sinner. Otherwise the magical vaginajuices would have killed the sperm.
 
2012-09-16 11:29:51 AM  

shpritz: They sell these blurry glasses for ten shekels in Bnei Brak. Any farkers in the Bible Bent want to set up an import business?


We don't use those here. We have our own.

www.charismaministries.org 

/u sound muslin
 
2012-09-16 11:31:59 AM  

pacmanner: That's the problem with these religious farks. carrying around all of that sexual frustration makes em crazy. Why do you think those farks in the mid east are so pissed off? They cover their women and even have to dance with each other at social events because touching a woman is like touching the devil. Sorry but any god that would dictate that women must be covered is a stupid god. Women are beautiful to behold and to deny that beauty is in itself a sin. Fark all religion.


Kome: It's amazing how insulting this attitude is towards women and men. Against women, it suggests that it is their fault whenever people make them uncomfortable or hurt them because of how they look. Against men, it suggests that we are so lacking in even minimal self-control that a little bit of cleavage can send us over the edge into lustful perverts and rapists.

How the hell any self-respecting person can claim to be religious is beyond me, when all it offers about the human condition is insult after insult. But then again, it isn't as though cognitive dissonance is an uncommon trait.


As a gay person that has been a personal target of fundamentalist Christians, as well as the general societal pressures generated by them, I get the anger bitterness and frustrations of many people here. But I would like to remind all those people "religion" for it, that not all religions, or practitioners of them, are the same.

I would really like to hear how these parts of religious literature are so insulting or women-hating:

"You shall be free from slavery, and as a sign that you be free you shall be naked in your rites.

Sing, feast, dance, make music and love, all in My Presence, for Mine is the ecstasy of the spirit and Mine also is joy on earth.

For My law is love is unto all beings......

Let My worship be in the heart that rejoices, for behold, all acts of love and pleasure are My rituals.

Let there be beauty and strength, power and compassion, honor and humility, mirth and reverence within you."

Charge of the Goddess
 
2012-09-16 11:35:25 AM  

roadmarks:
As a gay person that has been a personal target of fundamentalist Christians, as well as the general societal pressures generated by them, I get the anger bitterness and frustrations of many people here. But I would like to remind all those people

that blame "religion" for it, that not all religions, or practitioners of them, are the same.

FTFM
 
2012-09-16 11:47:40 AM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.


You would have to smoke a joint the size of a school bus.
 
2012-09-16 11:48:00 AM  
I have an alternative option. Instead of taking away a woman's right to choose her own clothes, why don't we make it so that, in church, men have to wear shock collars? If the priests notice them staring lustfully, zap, problem solved. After all, men clearly are mentally incompetent, so someone really should keep the poor dears in line. In fact, I think evangelical Christianity should focus on making those poor, stupid, uncontrollable men the property of women, since only women can become mentally adultlike enough to have basic self-control.
 
2012-09-16 11:49:57 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: This is a very important distinction, because even those fundamentalists who view scantily-dressed women as inviting any and all sexual attention would not say that a Christian assaulting someone is justified.


Except they do say that. Just a little over a year ago, a pastor forced a rape victim to apologize to her church for getting raped and impregnated by a married man. She tempted him to sin. Not sure if her manner of dress was a factor or if it was just that she existed in the same physical space and he and he couldn't control himself as a result. So please don't tell me I'm misrepresenting their position on this when they ARE in fact saying, straight up, that women (and children, considering some of the statements put out by Roman Catholic Church officials regarding the child sex scandals) somehow prevent men's ability to not molest, rape, and sexually assault other people, and as in TFA are saying that what they wear is a factor that tempts men.
 
2012-09-16 11:54:54 AM  
Can American Christian Supremacists just admit that they're totally jealous of their Middle Eastern Islamic Fundamentalist counterparts?
 
2012-09-16 11:55:53 AM  

red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.


is it wrong that I would do horrible, horrible things to each woman shown in the linked article? Like, wanton, ungodly things.

/so cereal
 
2012-09-16 12:08:47 PM  

PsiChick: I have an alternative option. Instead of taking away a woman's right to choose her own clothes, why don't we make it so that, in church, men have to wear shock collars? If the priests notice them staring lustfully, zap, problem solved. After all, men clearly are mentally incompetent, so someone really should keep the poor dears in line. In fact, I think evangelical Christianity should focus on making those poor, stupid, uncontrollable men the property of women, since only women can become mentally adultlike enough to have basic self-control.


These men sound pretty dangerous, and should probably have falcon hoods on their heads when they aren't under direct supervision.
 
2012-09-16 12:17:14 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Islam forbids mixed-gender services. The men are supposed to be seperated from women. Obviously, you have zero knowledge of Islam...like most ignorant libs


And Christianity forbids female teachers, quite explicitly. Yet, many denominations have female pastors, and sunday-school instructors are almost invariably female. Not our fault you're basing your knowledge on documentation that's either about 1500 years or 70k miles out of date instead of, y'know, going to a damned mosque or asking a practicing muslim.
 
2012-09-16 12:26:13 PM  
ironicsurrealism.comwww.passionistnuns.org

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing
 
2012-09-16 12:27:54 PM  

smitty04: Modesty is in the eye of the beholder.

[www.mikarose.com image 600x1411]



She could wear that at church and I'd still have lustful thoughts.
 
2012-09-16 12:32:54 PM  
In Egypt you get molested even if you're wearing the full burka. So covering up doesn't really help if a dude is hell-bent on thinking sexy thoughts. Soon us women will have to start wearing invisibility cloaks if we don't want to "defraud" the menfolks.

"Defraud" is Christian lingo for women making men all lustful outside of the proper marriage context. Wish I could find a good page on the concept.
 
2012-09-16 12:39:33 PM  

Egalitarian: "Defraud" is Christian lingo for women making men all lustful outside of the proper marriage context. Wish I could find a good page on the concept.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 12:43:18 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 12:44:08 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: FTFA: In flyers and brochures on display at Values Voters, the social conservative conference where Republican Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan spoke, an organization called Modesty Matters criticized women for dressing "immodestly" at church, and blamed women for causing men to stare lustfully at them.

Thank goodness they don't want Sharia law here :(


They don't. For the same reason McDonald's doesn't want Burger King ads lying around.*

*Please remove any qualitative associations you might have from your reading of this analogy.
 
2012-09-16 12:44:34 PM  

red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.


Submit to men? Fark you. I am the equal of man and will submit to none.
 
2012-09-16 12:47:13 PM  
BTW I'm a female atheist who wishes American women would dress with more modesty for their own self respect. When you walk around barely covered (unless it's a bikini at the beach) you leave nothing to the imagination, and it's like you're putting yourself out there like a piece of meat. "Hi men I'm desperate for attention!" Artful use of fabric (dressing) can actually make you look more aesthetically pleasing to everyone, try it out.

But I never tell anybody this cuz it's not really my business. I'm sure they think I am a dowdy prude for wearing long skirts or pants, instead of shorts that would make Daisy Duke blush.
 
2012-09-16 12:50:05 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Egalitarian: "Defraud" is Christian lingo for women making men all lustful outside of the proper marriage context. Wish I could find a good page on the concept.

[i.imgur.com image 582x410]


Oh, that's clever.

I'm still figuring this one out, though.
www.ncsx.com
 
2012-09-16 01:03:40 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: See, this stuff originates from Bible verses like this:

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. - Matthew 5:28-29


The men who can't control their lust at the sight of a woman should gouge their eyes out in accordance with their beliefs. Those who don't are hypocrites.

/ex-Catholic
//remembers seeing lotsa women wearing veils in church (including my mom)
 
2012-09-16 01:09:02 PM  
Honest question - why do women put up with all this shiat?

Is it some form of Stockholm Syndrome, where women have been below men historically for so long that they started to believe it themselves? If women across the globe tomorrow decide to stop having sex with their husbands until they have equality, first order of business on Tuesday at the U.N. will be full equality for everybody. If the women in any given country decided to do passive resistance, it would grind that country to a full halt. Granted there would be severe beatings, murders, etc. at first, but women are holding all the cards here. Always have been.
 
2012-09-16 01:15:11 PM  

broncoitis: Examples of immodest dress at church needed. Actual examples preferred


www.thejimbolist.com

/Oblig & hot..

Weird thread.

[sacredestboner] 

/Was gonna post a pic from the Atwood book but that's already been addressed.
 
2012-09-16 01:17:38 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: ...women are holding all the cards here. Always have been.


Seriously, THIS.

Go all Lysistrata on their asses.
 
2012-09-16 01:24:50 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Egalitarian: "Defraud" is Christian lingo for women making men all lustful outside of the proper marriage context. Wish I could find a good page on the concept.

i.imgur.com

What are little girls made of?
Sugar and spice
And everything nice,
That's what little girls are made of.

What are little boys made of?

shiat-eating flies.

That's what little boys are made of.
 
2012-09-16 01:26:32 PM  

shotglasss: mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.

Some people deserve to be hit repeatedly with rocks until they're dead.


there's no hate like neocon hate
 
2012-09-16 01:28:04 PM  

Egalitarian: BTW I'm a female atheist who wishes American women would dress with more modesty for their own self respect. When you walk around barely covered (unless it's a bikini at the beach) you leave nothing to the imagination, and it's like you're putting yourself out there like a piece of meat. "Hi men I'm desperate for attention!" Artful use of fabric (dressing) can actually make you look more aesthetically pleasing to everyone, try it out.

But I never tell anybody this cuz it's not really my business. I'm sure they think I am a dowdy prude for wearing long skirts or pants, instead of shorts that would make Daisy Duke blush.


You wear pants as a woman? What a slut.

/This topic is about a whole lot more than women simply showing skin.
 
2012-09-16 01:35:53 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: rynthetyn:
Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.

I have you farkied as (favorite: From a dark, benighted, putrid corner of crackerdom.) Now that I realize this it isn't a tongue-in-cheek description of a rural community where you grew up, I'm going to have to find an amusing quote from you.

And those idiots are scary. We (Jews) have been making our implementation of Torah more humane for millennia, and we have the entire paper trail readily available to anybody willing to put in the study time. What you're describing is horriffic and beggars the imagination.


Tell that to the pedo rabbis genitally mutilating babies then sucking their bleeding penises and giving them herpes.

The Torah might be silent on this practice, but a majority of its users is not condemning *at all* this abhorrent and illegal-in-any-other-context abuse by a minority sect. Quite the opposite. The Hassidic Jews are praised as keepers of the flame.
 
2012-09-16 02:16:06 PM  

Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing


Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

p.twimg.com

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...
 
2012-09-16 02:20:42 PM  

DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?


You take it that men should be held responsible for anything involving the wild and dangerous creature known as woman.

/sarc
 
2012-09-16 02:31:04 PM  

Generation_D: demaL-demaL-yeH: And those idiots are scary. We (Jews) have been making our implementation of Torah more humane for millennia, and we have the entire paper trail readily available to anybody willing to put in the study time. What you're describing is horriffic and beggars the imagination.


Tell that to the pedo rabbis genitally mutilating babies then sucking their bleeding penises and giving them herpes.

Ahem.

The Torah might be silent on this practice, but a majority [inigo_montoya.jpg] Ibid. of its users [quizzical_dog.jpg]
is not condemning *at all* this abhorrent and illegal-in-any-other-context abuse by a minority sect. [Ibid.]
Quite the opposite. The Hassidic Jews are praised [by themselves, maybe, and a minority of them, at that]
as keepers of the flame.

The source of the flame is your pants.
My, you seem to be angry.
Since Rosh HaShana begins at sunset, you've allowed me to warm up for the Days of Awe: I forgive you for libeling my religion and people. 
Don't do it again.
 
2012-09-16 02:40:02 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


A lot of them cut their hair short too. This proves that they are lesbians and they have lesbian orgies at their "nunneries." That would never have happened if they'd kept wearing their habits and kept their heads covered, because lesbians are insatiable and can't resist a woman with short hair.

Even worse, no man is allowed to touch them. These nunneries should be burned to the ground. Not just for keeping these women away from men, but for turning them into lesbians with their sexy modern clothing.
 
2012-09-16 02:42:13 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Since Rosh HaShana begins at sunset, you've allowed me to warm up for the Days of Awe: I forgive you for libeling my religion and people.


You're forgiving him for the offense that you took over his words? That's some weird interpretation of the Days of Awe you've got.
 
2012-09-16 02:45:00 PM  

cryinoutloud: A lot of them cut their hair short too. This proves that they are lesbians and they have lesbian orgies at their "nunneries." That would never have happened if they'd kept wearing their habits and kept their heads covered, because lesbians are insatiable and can't resist a woman with short hair.

Even worse, no man is allowed to touch them. These nunneries should be burned to the ground. Not just for keeping these women away from men, but for turning them into lesbians with their sexy modern clothing.


i.imgur.com

Approves.
 
2012-09-16 02:48:26 PM  

Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.


There's your bar, Conservatives: stay just one step ahead of the cultures you describe as savage, godless, and barbaric and you still get to feel superior to them in every way.
 
2012-09-16 03:01:00 PM  

broncoitis: Examples of immodest dress at church needed. Actual examples preferred


img2.etsystatic.com

Look at that hussy wearing something where the neckline points right to her ladybits!
 
2012-09-16 03:06:20 PM  

ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility?


Because they're immature.

Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?

At least mentally deficient children have an excuse; these jabronis are willfully ignorant.
 
2012-09-16 03:07:12 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.



Doesn't seem fair to the priests somehow.
 
2012-09-16 03:08:59 PM  

Rich Cream: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.


Doesn't seem fair to the priests somehow.


More ways than one.
 
2012-09-16 03:26:06 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Can you spot the slut?
 
2012-09-16 03:26:48 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing

Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

[p.twimg.com image 423x347]

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


I went to a catholic college, and there as a convent on the grounds. There was a security breach, and the campus police deputized the nuns, because it's really really hard to mistake a nun for a wild gunman. Also - people obey nuns. Much more so than Brothers (we had a monastery as well)

The Nuns cleared the building in no time flat, and they probably saved millions of dollars in time and money and possible incidents.

That being said, yeah, no bikini tops in church, ladies. I know that You're here for the Jesus, as am I, but really, while I am deeply focused on worship, I'd prefer not to have you wander into my thoughts.

(yes, I can be distracted from worship with boobies. I am a weak man. Please, can't you just keep it covered in the 3500 square feet of the church space?
 
2012-09-16 03:28:01 PM  
If anyone feels like protesting this....


BIE

/EIP
 
2012-09-16 03:34:28 PM  

DeaH: broncoitis: Examples of immodest dress at church needed. Actual examples preferred

[img2.etsystatic.com image 850x848]

Look at that hussy wearing something where the neckline points right to her ladybits!


You joke, but notice how the bodice of the dress comes to a "V" at the bottom? Back in the '80s when people would wear dresses like that, I heard people say that they were immodest because of that.
 
2012-09-16 03:35:18 PM  

DeaH: Look at that hussy wearing something where the neckline points right to her ladybits!


Have her bathed and sent to my chambers.
 
2012-09-16 03:36:56 PM  

rubi_con_man: I went to a catholic college,


www.lasallian.info
Christian high school military academy.
 
2012-09-16 03:37:20 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing

Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

[p.twimg.com image 423x347]

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


While in Vietnam, however, I have seen nuns in a habit on a motorbike, which had to be absolutely miserable because it was close to 100 degrees outside.
 
2012-09-16 03:37:55 PM  

Rich Cream: Christian Brothers high school military academy.


More correct.
 
2012-09-16 03:38:54 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing

Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

[p.twimg.com image 423x347]

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


It was a hard habit to break.
 
2012-09-16 03:43:43 PM  

raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches. Well, given my attitude toward the Catholic Church, I was not too thrilled to be wearing those smelly, sweaty shawls that other strangers had on before me. But, when in Rome...and it was a gorgeous church.


Hey, did you consider bringing your own?
 
2012-09-16 04:27:56 PM  

rubi_con_man: raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches. Well, given my attitude toward the Catholic Church, I was not too thrilled to be wearing those smelly, sweaty shawls that other strangers had on before me. But, when in Rome...and it was a gorgeous church.

Hey, did you consider bringing your own?


Or, you know, wearing something that covers your shoulders if you know you're going to be visiting ancient Catholic churches? The "cover your shoulders" rule is pretty much par for the course for any religious site, no matter the faith.
 
2012-09-16 05:21:24 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Lee Jackson Beauregard: DancingElkCondor (farkied: Blithering idiot birther): Only a DerpCon 5bullschitt wingnut strawman version of a Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites

FTFY, or can you show me some examples of "DerpCon 5 Liberals" who "say nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam"?

Or is any criticism of Christians supposed to be followed by "but the Scary Mooselimbs blah blah blah"?

Or are we just not supposed to criticize Christians at all, except for the Scary Black Preacher?

Well you know how fragile and precious Christians are in this country. Even though they are the majority in the US, they still feel unfairly treated and persecuted donchaknow.


No, this is just one of those tired trolls I addressed the other day: any time we have a discussion about something going on in location X, they instantly say "But you didn't discuss the outrages in location Y!! Why is it okay for Y to do it but not X??" apparently not realizing or--more likely not caring--that a) the article under discussion is about X and not Y, and b) that when an article appeared discussing Y, we talked about Y but not X. These are the same fools who, when the discussion is about Islamic violence in the Middle East, always trot out "Well, what about the Christians during the Crusades?!?" and vice versa.

It's just a troll, thrown in to muddy the water.
 
2012-09-16 05:41:00 PM  

Lorelle: Martian_Astronomer: See, this stuff originates from Bible verses like this:

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. - Matthew 5:28-29

The men who can't control their lust at the sight of a woman should gouge their eyes out in accordance with their beliefs. Those who don't are hypocrites.

/ex-Catholic
//remembers seeing lotsa women wearing veils in church (including my mom)


Or hands:

"And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." - Matthew 5:30

At this rate, we'll have a handless, eyeless Newt Gingrich!

Oh wait, I forgot that Christians pick and choose what Biblical laws they want to follow.
 
2012-09-16 06:27:02 PM  
Another one tht makes me roll my eyes profusely, is when I see women bearing cleavage or wearing a bikini with a crucifix between her partially exposed breasts. I mean it's a crucifix, not a hood ornament. Show some respect!
 
2012-09-16 06:30:56 PM  

Rich Cream: rubi_con_man: I went to a catholic college,

[www.lasallian.info image 566x360]
Christian high school military academy.


You broke my gaydar.
 
2012-09-16 06:50:38 PM  

Bearwhale: Oh wait, I forgot that Christians pick and choose what Biblical laws they want to follow.


Yeah, in Matthew 19 Jesus seems to be saying you should cut your balls off to avoid temptation. But it's never been a popular verse.

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.

The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who have been eunuchs from birth. And there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by other people. And there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs because of the kingdom of heaven. He who can accept this should accept it."


This is sometimes translated differently but the Greek is quite clear:

εισιν ευνουχοι οιτινες ευνουχισαν εαυτους δια την βασιλειαν των ουρανων
 
2012-09-16 06:54:14 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: demaL-demaL-yeH: Since Rosh HaShana begins at sunset, you've allowed me to warm up for the Days of Awe: I forgive you for libeling my religion and people.

You're forgiving him for the offense that you took over his words? That's some weird interpretation of the Days of Awe you've got.


I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.
 
2012-09-16 06:57:40 PM  

Proteios1: Another one tht makes me roll my eyes profusely, is when I see women bearing cleavage or wearing a bikini with a crucifix between her partially exposed breasts. I mean it's a crucifix, not a hood ornament. Show some respect!


I mean one a wholesome icon of love, life and beauty and the other is just a reminder of brutal torture and killing of thousands. I agree some respect should be paid to the boobies.
 
2012-09-16 07:07:18 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.


Yeah, but aren't the Days of Awe supposed to be about atoning for your own sins and faults? To twist that around into forgiving him for the offense that you took is just a weird way to go about it. Libel of your people are not, it felt like you twisted around the meaning behind the Days of Awe in order to appear magnanimous and throw in a condescending barb towards someone you don't like.

I suppose you could've done it just to have an extra thing to ask forgiveness for later though.
 
2012-09-16 07:23:22 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.


The amount of backstabbing, false information, sabotage, and double-talk that goes on in one baptist church puts all of Tom Clancy's work to shame.
 
2012-09-16 07:39:21 PM  

sendtodave: Fear.

Control.


yep
 
2012-09-16 07:53:25 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: demaL-demaL-yeH: I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.

Yeah, but aren't the Days of Awe supposed to be about atoning for your own sins and faults? To twist that around into forgiving him for the offense that you took is just a weird way to go about it. Libel of your people are not, it felt like you twisted around the meaning behind the Days of Awe in order to appear magnanimous and throw in a condescending barb towards someone you don't like.

I suppose you could've done it just to have an extra thing to ask forgiveness for later though.


Tell me, when you are preparing to celebrate something wonderful, do you queue up a Winter Lights and Leaving Las Vegas double-feature to get you in the right frame of mind?

You forgive others in order to move on. It's an act of Tikkun Olam.
The offense was deliberate on his part.
The way you keep spinning it, it looks as though yours is also deliberate.

I apologize for the total assad-hole crack.
 
2012-09-16 08:20:55 PM  

ilambiquated: Rich Cream: rubi_con_man: I went to a catholic college,

[www.lasallian.info image 566x360]
Christian high school military academy.

You broke my gaydar.


www.fscdena.org

Brother Peter frowns upon your shenanigans and desires a penance. 

/peter
 
2012-09-16 08:21:44 PM  
My father was a minor pastor at a church in Hot Springs when I was really young. When the church found out mom was cheating on him they said he should divorce her, as it says in the bible. Then, when he got us in the divorce, they told him a single father isn't the image they wanted for the church, so they fired him. He left the church and lost his faith, fell back to drugs and compleatly messed up his life, and ours. I hate churches that want to "keep up an appearance". They damage the message of god and the bible.
 
2012-09-16 08:30:00 PM  

redheededstepchild: My father was a minor pastor at a church in Hot Springs when I was really young. When the church found out mom was cheating on him they said he should divorce her, as it says in the bible. Then, when he got us in the divorce, they told him a single father isn't the image they wanted for the church, so they fired him. He left the church and lost his faith, fell back to drugs and compleatly messed up his life, and ours. I hate churches that want to "keep up an appearance". They damage the message of god and the bible.


So the church:
1. Said divorce thy adulterous wife;
2. Said a single father isn't holy in the sight of God.

Sounds about what I'd expect. "Do what we tell you to do and then when you do it, we'll withdraw all our support."
 
2012-09-16 08:36:54 PM  

corteran: Could someone please remind me what century it is?


It was the Century of the FruitBat. I believe we are now in the Century of the Anchovy.
 
2012-09-16 08:55:26 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You forgive others in order to move on. It's an act of Tikkun Olam.
The offense was deliberate on his part.
The way you keep spinning it, it looks as though yours is also deliberate.


I honestly don't care either way. Have yourself some nice High Holy Days.
 
2012-09-17 12:18:06 AM  

CptnSpldng: It was the Century of the FruitBat. I believe we are now in the Century of the Anchovy.


"Oh, I think it's time to embrace the exciting challenges presented to us by the Century of the Fruitbat," said the Bursar.
"We... That's the one we're just about to leave, sir."
"Then it's high time we embraced them, don't you think?"

This, however, may be more a case of trying to embrace the exciting challenges presented by the Century of the Cobra.
 
2012-09-17 12:25:31 AM  

abb3w: CptnSpldng: It was the Century of the FruitBat. I believe we are now in the Century of the Anchovy.

"Oh, I think it's time to embrace the exciting challenges presented to us by the Century of the Fruitbat," said the Bursar.
"We... That's the one we're just about to leave, sir."
"Then it's high time we embraced them, don't you think?"
This, however, may be more a case of trying to embrace the exciting challenges presented by the Century of the Cobra.


Well said, that man.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:14 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.


Libel...

Criticizing a religion for the practices of its adherents which has resulted in the deaths of infants due entirely to religious practice isn't libel. True, he did paint with a broad brush but when a religious practice kills the children on which it is performed I think it's valid to criticize both that practice's vocal supporters and those who remain silent. If your religious practice is transferring a virus that may kill a participant who cannot give consent to that practice, basic farking reason demands that measures be taken to prevent that from happening.

Finding that specific religious practice to be revolting and unsanitary isn't antisemitism and pointing out that it is revolting and unsanitary isn't libel.
 
2012-09-17 09:42:18 AM  

GAT_00: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.


VOTE Democrat! We don't know the difference between stating and opinion and brutally enforcing it!
 
2012-09-18 09:10:53 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Libel...

Criticizing a religion for the practices of its adherents which has resulted in the deaths of infants due entirely to religious practice isn't libel. True, he did paint with a broad brush but when a religious practice kills the children on which it is performed I think it's valid to criticize both that practice's vocal supporters and those who remain silent. If your religious practice is transferring a virus that may kill a participant who cannot give consent to that practice, basic farking reason demands that measures be taken to prevent that from happening.

Finding that specific religious practice to be revolting and unsanitary isn't antisemitism and pointing out that it is revolting and unsanitary isn't libel.


If that last sentence true, you'd be correct.
However, this was what he said:
"Tell that to the pedo rabbis genitally mutilating babies then sucking their bleeding penises and giving them herpes.
The Torah might be silent on this practice, but a majority of its users is not condemning *at all* this abhorrent and illegal-in-any-other-context abuse by a minority sect. Quite the opposite. The Hassidic Jews are praised as keepers of the flame.
"

i linked to a very long thread here in Fark on that very subject. Every Jew who posted, including a Hasid or three, condemned the practice. (Including that one.)

So, yes, libel.
 
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