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(Think Progress)   Conservative organization criticizes women for dressing immodestly at mosques, and blames women for causing men to stare lustfully at them. Sorry, did I say "mosques"? I meant "churches"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 235
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2012-09-16 03:06:20 PM

ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility?


Because they're immature.

Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?

At least mentally deficient children have an excuse; these jabronis are willfully ignorant.
 
2012-09-16 03:07:12 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.



Doesn't seem fair to the priests somehow.
 
2012-09-16 03:08:59 PM

Rich Cream: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.


Doesn't seem fair to the priests somehow.


More ways than one.
 
2012-09-16 03:26:06 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Can you spot the slut?
 
2012-09-16 03:26:48 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing

Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

[p.twimg.com image 423x347]

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


I went to a catholic college, and there as a convent on the grounds. There was a security breach, and the campus police deputized the nuns, because it's really really hard to mistake a nun for a wild gunman. Also - people obey nuns. Much more so than Brothers (we had a monastery as well)

The Nuns cleared the building in no time flat, and they probably saved millions of dollars in time and money and possible incidents.

That being said, yeah, no bikini tops in church, ladies. I know that You're here for the Jesus, as am I, but really, while I am deeply focused on worship, I'd prefer not to have you wander into my thoughts.

(yes, I can be distracted from worship with boobies. I am a weak man. Please, can't you just keep it covered in the 3500 square feet of the church space?
 
2012-09-16 03:28:01 PM
If anyone feels like protesting this....


BIE

/EIP
 
2012-09-16 03:34:28 PM

DeaH: broncoitis: Examples of immodest dress at church needed. Actual examples preferred

[img2.etsystatic.com image 850x848]

Look at that hussy wearing something where the neckline points right to her ladybits!


You joke, but notice how the bodice of the dress comes to a "V" at the bottom? Back in the '80s when people would wear dresses like that, I heard people say that they were immodest because of that.
 
2012-09-16 03:35:18 PM

DeaH: Look at that hussy wearing something where the neckline points right to her ladybits!


Have her bathed and sent to my chambers.
 
2012-09-16 03:36:56 PM

rubi_con_man: I went to a catholic college,


www.lasallian.info
Christian high school military academy.
 
2012-09-16 03:37:20 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing

Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

[p.twimg.com image 423x347]

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


While in Vietnam, however, I have seen nuns in a habit on a motorbike, which had to be absolutely miserable because it was close to 100 degrees outside.
 
2012-09-16 03:37:55 PM

Rich Cream: Christian Brothers high school military academy.


More correct.
 
2012-09-16 03:38:54 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Rich Cream: [ironicsurrealism.com image 379x266][www.passionistnuns.org image 393x308]

The differences are subtle but I'm going with the burka because their mouths are covered too.

/zing

Via Vatican II, nuns really don't dress that way anymore.

Of course, Benedict is trying to unravel that and take away their autonomy and (gasp) dedication to (gasp) social justice and helping your fellow man over stupid effing dogma, but this is what nuns look like now:

[p.twimg.com image 423x347]

I'm in my 20s, grew up Catholic, and have seen far, far, far more nuns dressed like that than in a habit. I can't even remember the last time I saw a nun in a habit at all, or anything like it, actually...


It was a hard habit to break.
 
2012-09-16 03:43:43 PM

raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches. Well, given my attitude toward the Catholic Church, I was not too thrilled to be wearing those smelly, sweaty shawls that other strangers had on before me. But, when in Rome...and it was a gorgeous church.


Hey, did you consider bringing your own?
 
2012-09-16 04:27:56 PM

rubi_con_man: raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches. Well, given my attitude toward the Catholic Church, I was not too thrilled to be wearing those smelly, sweaty shawls that other strangers had on before me. But, when in Rome...and it was a gorgeous church.

Hey, did you consider bringing your own?


Or, you know, wearing something that covers your shoulders if you know you're going to be visiting ancient Catholic churches? The "cover your shoulders" rule is pretty much par for the course for any religious site, no matter the faith.
 
2012-09-16 05:21:24 PM

Mrtraveler01: Lee Jackson Beauregard: DancingElkCondor (farkied: Blithering idiot birther): Only a DerpCon 5bullschitt wingnut strawman version of a Liberal whines about a Christian church having a "church dress code" for women....but says nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam. Hypocrites

FTFY, or can you show me some examples of "DerpCon 5 Liberals" who "say nothing about the rampant abuse of women in Islam"?

Or is any criticism of Christians supposed to be followed by "but the Scary Mooselimbs blah blah blah"?

Or are we just not supposed to criticize Christians at all, except for the Scary Black Preacher?

Well you know how fragile and precious Christians are in this country. Even though they are the majority in the US, they still feel unfairly treated and persecuted donchaknow.


No, this is just one of those tired trolls I addressed the other day: any time we have a discussion about something going on in location X, they instantly say "But you didn't discuss the outrages in location Y!! Why is it okay for Y to do it but not X??" apparently not realizing or--more likely not caring--that a) the article under discussion is about X and not Y, and b) that when an article appeared discussing Y, we talked about Y but not X. These are the same fools who, when the discussion is about Islamic violence in the Middle East, always trot out "Well, what about the Christians during the Crusades?!?" and vice versa.

It's just a troll, thrown in to muddy the water.
 
2012-09-16 05:41:00 PM

Lorelle: Martian_Astronomer: See, this stuff originates from Bible verses like this:

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. - Matthew 5:28-29

The men who can't control their lust at the sight of a woman should gouge their eyes out in accordance with their beliefs. Those who don't are hypocrites.

/ex-Catholic
//remembers seeing lotsa women wearing veils in church (including my mom)


Or hands:

"And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." - Matthew 5:30

At this rate, we'll have a handless, eyeless Newt Gingrich!

Oh wait, I forgot that Christians pick and choose what Biblical laws they want to follow.
 
2012-09-16 06:27:02 PM
Another one tht makes me roll my eyes profusely, is when I see women bearing cleavage or wearing a bikini with a crucifix between her partially exposed breasts. I mean it's a crucifix, not a hood ornament. Show some respect!
 
2012-09-16 06:30:56 PM

Rich Cream: rubi_con_man: I went to a catholic college,

[www.lasallian.info image 566x360]
Christian high school military academy.


You broke my gaydar.
 
2012-09-16 06:50:38 PM

Bearwhale: Oh wait, I forgot that Christians pick and choose what Biblical laws they want to follow.


Yeah, in Matthew 19 Jesus seems to be saying you should cut your balls off to avoid temptation. But it's never been a popular verse.

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.

The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry."

Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are eunuchs who have been eunuchs from birth. And there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by other people. And there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs because of the kingdom of heaven. He who can accept this should accept it."


This is sometimes translated differently but the Greek is quite clear:

εισιν ευνουχοι οιτινες ευνουχισαν εαυτους δια την βασιλειαν των ουρανων
 
2012-09-16 06:54:14 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: demaL-demaL-yeH: Since Rosh HaShana begins at sunset, you've allowed me to warm up for the Days of Awe: I forgive you for libeling my religion and people.

You're forgiving him for the offense that you took over his words? That's some weird interpretation of the Days of Awe you've got.


I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.
 
2012-09-16 06:57:40 PM

Proteios1: Another one tht makes me roll my eyes profusely, is when I see women bearing cleavage or wearing a bikini with a crucifix between her partially exposed breasts. I mean it's a crucifix, not a hood ornament. Show some respect!


I mean one a wholesome icon of love, life and beauty and the other is just a reminder of brutal torture and killing of thousands. I agree some respect should be paid to the boobies.
 
2012-09-16 07:07:18 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.


Yeah, but aren't the Days of Awe supposed to be about atoning for your own sins and faults? To twist that around into forgiving him for the offense that you took is just a weird way to go about it. Libel of your people are not, it felt like you twisted around the meaning behind the Days of Awe in order to appear magnanimous and throw in a condescending barb towards someone you don't like.

I suppose you could've done it just to have an extra thing to ask forgiveness for later though.
 
2012-09-16 07:23:22 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.


The amount of backstabbing, false information, sabotage, and double-talk that goes on in one baptist church puts all of Tom Clancy's work to shame.
 
2012-09-16 07:39:21 PM

sendtodave: Fear.

Control.


yep
 
2012-09-16 07:53:25 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: demaL-demaL-yeH: I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.

Yeah, but aren't the Days of Awe supposed to be about atoning for your own sins and faults? To twist that around into forgiving him for the offense that you took is just a weird way to go about it. Libel of your people are not, it felt like you twisted around the meaning behind the Days of Awe in order to appear magnanimous and throw in a condescending barb towards someone you don't like.

I suppose you could've done it just to have an extra thing to ask forgiveness for later though.


Tell me, when you are preparing to celebrate something wonderful, do you queue up a Winter Lights and Leaving Las Vegas double-feature to get you in the right frame of mind?

You forgive others in order to move on. It's an act of Tikkun Olam.
The offense was deliberate on his part.
The way you keep spinning it, it looks as though yours is also deliberate.

I apologize for the total assad-hole crack.
 
2012-09-16 08:20:55 PM

ilambiquated: Rich Cream: rubi_con_man: I went to a catholic college,

[www.lasallian.info image 566x360]
Christian high school military academy.

You broke my gaydar.


www.fscdena.org

Brother Peter frowns upon your shenanigans and desires a penance. 

/peter
 
2012-09-16 08:21:44 PM
My father was a minor pastor at a church in Hot Springs when I was really young. When the church found out mom was cheating on him they said he should divorce her, as it says in the bible. Then, when he got us in the divorce, they told him a single father isn't the image they wanted for the church, so they fired him. He left the church and lost his faith, fell back to drugs and compleatly messed up his life, and ours. I hate churches that want to "keep up an appearance". They damage the message of god and the bible.
 
2012-09-16 08:30:00 PM

redheededstepchild: My father was a minor pastor at a church in Hot Springs when I was really young. When the church found out mom was cheating on him they said he should divorce her, as it says in the bible. Then, when he got us in the divorce, they told him a single father isn't the image they wanted for the church, so they fired him. He left the church and lost his faith, fell back to drugs and compleatly messed up his life, and ours. I hate churches that want to "keep up an appearance". They damage the message of god and the bible.


So the church:
1. Said divorce thy adulterous wife;
2. Said a single father isn't holy in the sight of God.

Sounds about what I'd expect. "Do what we tell you to do and then when you do it, we'll withdraw all our support."
 
2012-09-16 08:36:54 PM

corteran: Could someone please remind me what century it is?


It was the Century of the FruitBat. I believe we are now in the Century of the Anchovy.
 
2012-09-16 08:55:26 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: You forgive others in order to move on. It's an act of Tikkun Olam.
The offense was deliberate on his part.
The way you keep spinning it, it looks as though yours is also deliberate.


I honestly don't care either way. Have yourself some nice High Holy Days.
 
2012-09-17 12:18:06 AM

CptnSpldng: It was the Century of the FruitBat. I believe we are now in the Century of the Anchovy.


"Oh, I think it's time to embrace the exciting challenges presented to us by the Century of the Fruitbat," said the Bursar.
"We... That's the one we're just about to leave, sir."
"Then it's high time we embraced them, don't you think?"

This, however, may be more a case of trying to embrace the exciting challenges presented by the Century of the Cobra.
 
2012-09-17 12:25:31 AM

abb3w: CptnSpldng: It was the Century of the FruitBat. I believe we are now in the Century of the Anchovy.

"Oh, I think it's time to embrace the exciting challenges presented to us by the Century of the Fruitbat," said the Bursar.
"We... That's the one we're just about to leave, sir."
"Then it's high time we embraced them, don't you think?"
This, however, may be more a case of trying to embrace the exciting challenges presented by the Century of the Cobra.


Well said, that man.
 
2012-09-17 08:29:14 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I see you've left the libel of my people - to which I responded - out of your comment.
You've earned the farkie: noob. apologist for antisemitic rants. total assad-hole.


Libel...

Criticizing a religion for the practices of its adherents which has resulted in the deaths of infants due entirely to religious practice isn't libel. True, he did paint with a broad brush but when a religious practice kills the children on which it is performed I think it's valid to criticize both that practice's vocal supporters and those who remain silent. If your religious practice is transferring a virus that may kill a participant who cannot give consent to that practice, basic farking reason demands that measures be taken to prevent that from happening.

Finding that specific religious practice to be revolting and unsanitary isn't antisemitism and pointing out that it is revolting and unsanitary isn't libel.
 
2012-09-17 09:42:18 AM

GAT_00: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.




VOTE Democrat! We don't know the difference between stating and opinion and brutally enforcing it!
 
2012-09-18 09:10:53 PM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Libel...

Criticizing a religion for the practices of its adherents which has resulted in the deaths of infants due entirely to religious practice isn't libel. True, he did paint with a broad brush but when a religious practice kills the children on which it is performed I think it's valid to criticize both that practice's vocal supporters and those who remain silent. If your religious practice is transferring a virus that may kill a participant who cannot give consent to that practice, basic farking reason demands that measures be taken to prevent that from happening.

Finding that specific religious practice to be revolting and unsanitary isn't antisemitism and pointing out that it is revolting and unsanitary isn't libel.


If that last sentence true, you'd be correct.
However, this was what he said:
"Tell that to the pedo rabbis genitally mutilating babies then sucking their bleeding penises and giving them herpes.
The Torah might be silent on this practice, but a majority of its users is not condemning *at all* this abhorrent and illegal-in-any-other-context abuse by a minority sect. Quite the opposite. The Hassidic Jews are praised as keepers of the flame.
"

i linked to a very long thread here in Fark on that very subject. Every Jew who posted, including a Hasid or three, condemned the practice. (Including that one.)

So, yes, libel.
 
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