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2012-09-16 01:04:09 AM

Serious Black: Considering how many of them say they would be evil bastards and wenches if it weren't for Christianity, yeah, we definitely would have stonings and lynchings if the law didn't prohibit it. I think that's why they're so against letting gays do stuff like marry, join the military, and even have butt sex. They're afraid that they'll start doing those things if they're legalized.


This.
I've had more than a handful of Christians in the South tell me "Well if you don't believe in God, why try to be good, there would be no such thing as good, why not just rape and kill if you can get away with it or do anything you want?"
The most "devout" (batshiat fundamentalist insane) Christians I've met usually have a pretty big history before they converted and were basically nihilists before breaking down and giving in to God because they couldn't handle their drug addictions or stay out of jail or get forgiveness anywhere but in the name of the Lord etc. etc.
 
2012-09-16 01:11:27 AM

Somacandra: The USA has had its share of extrajudicial killings. Stones not required. In fact, I don't think stonings have ever really been the American method. Americans seem to prefer rope for public spectacle killings.


Now we just have the police for that.
 
2012-09-16 01:11:47 AM

mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.


But they don't. And 99% of a chance they never will. (There's always a chance of a fluke.)

Can't really compare a table at some conference with a country wide law. I know you want to try but that is some Navel orange and Granny Smith apple comparing.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:00 AM

Jim_Callahan: Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.

I would go out on a limb and say that this one isn't on the GOP.

FTA:

Values Voter Summit

Family Research Council

Modesty Matters

Yeah. Admittedly they're people that typically vote GOP, but this isn't a party position any more than the Black Panthers mostly voting democrat makes the Dems a racial supremacy organization.


When was the last time that the President taped a special speech for a meeting of the Black Panthers? When did Joe Biden go to speak before them? Have other key Democrats gone to big gatherings of Black Panthers? If not, then there might be a little difference between Black Panthers voting for Democrats and the highest levels of the Republican party showing up for a meeting of this summit.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:01 AM

raerae1980: Back when I was in Roma, I had to wear shawls to cover my shoulders if I wanted to visit the churches


I have no idea what this means, so I just imagine that "roma" is a kick-ass metal band.
 
2012-09-16 01:14:32 AM
Why not put out a pamphlet extolling the virtue of self-control?

It's kinda like with rape: Instead of teaching wmen how not to get raped, wy don't we teach men and boys to not commit rape?
 
2012-09-16 01:16:41 AM
Could someone please remind me what century it is?
 
2012-09-16 01:18:07 AM

corteran: Could someone please remind me what century it is?


12th
 
2012-09-16 01:18:19 AM
The modesty stuff all goes hand in hand with people wanting to maintain a patriarchal hierarchy. Keep girls and women in long dresses and there's only so much that they can do. Blame them for making men lust and cause them to feel guilty about their bodies and sexuality. And instead of going after grown men for being pervs for ogling teen and even pre-teen girls who are starting to get a figure, it's the girl's fault for "causing men to stumble".

I got that message far too much from the circles I grew up in and it took ages to get past the nagging feeling that I was doing something wrong if I wore a short skirt or a low cut top.
 
2012-09-16 01:20:18 AM

Bucky Katt: corteran: Could someone please remind me what century it is?

12th


Thanks. But then why aren't these men wearing jaunty codpieces to cover their lustful arousals?

Like I do.
 
2012-09-16 01:24:20 AM

mekki: mediablitz: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

If our laws allowed it, we would have stonings. No doubt about it.

But they don't. And 99% of a chance they never will. (There's always a chance of a fluke.)

Can't really compare a table at some conference with a country wide law. I know you want to try but that is some Navel orange and Granny Smith apple comparing.


Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.
 
2012-09-16 01:28:02 AM

ToxicMunkee: Can't these grown men take responsibility? Why are they being treated like mentally deficient children?


They are dedicated enough to religion to go to a conference like this - in what way are they *not* mentally deficient children?
 
2012-09-16 01:28:13 AM
"A plague o' both your houses!" -- W.S.
 
2012-09-16 01:28:47 AM

m2313: The most "devout" (batshiat fundamentalist insane) Christians I've met usually have a pretty big history before they converted and were basically nihilists before breaking down and giving in to God because they couldn't handle their drug addictions or stay out of jail or get forgiveness anywhere but in the name of the Lord etc. etc.


This is really the crux of the problem. Most of the batshiat crazies I have met at church have been like this too. They would be batshiat crazy without religion, its just religion gives the crazies a way to organize, just like PTA or whatever organzation (plenty of PTA crazies out there, if you have the privilage of having kids). Really the watchword should be "moderation". Ben Franklin had this right, aristotle had this right. Hell, even Jesus had this right. Some of his followers, not so much.
 
2012-09-16 01:31:41 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-16 01:35:11 AM

Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.


GOP women write this shiat.
 
2012-09-16 01:39:04 AM
They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that. 
 
2012-09-16 01:39:57 AM
This is just damned silly. I'm a Republican, and I happen to be disdainful of the jackasses who hand out such rubbish. I think Modest Matters is an offshoot of the LDS, and I would ignore them. Hopefully, one day--after Romney loses--the GOP will unchain itself from the social conservatives.
/Can we, somehow, get Condi to run in 2016? Please? Pretty please?
//And I am not looking forward to four more years of Obama. It, however, seems inevitable.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:18 AM
The thing that scares me the most about this sort of thing is that I'm surrounded on a daily basis by people that I have cordial and respectful conversations with, who are desperately trying all day not to rape or harass women based on what they're wearing. That this innate male urge of "Yeah, looks good, I'd hit that" is the woman's fault for looking hittable is one of the more tragic results of religion, considering all of its consequences.
 
2012-09-16 01:41:18 AM

Jim_Callahan: Ed Finnerty: But don't you dare say Rapeublicans are waging a war on women.

I would go out on a limb and say that this one isn't on the GOP.

FTA:

Values Voter Summit

Family Research Council

Modesty Matters

Yeah. Admittedly they're people that typically vote GOP, but this isn't a party position any more than the Black Panthers mostly voting democrat makes the Dems a racial supremacy organization.


Bullshiat. Mainstream Republicans have been pandering to this group of nuts for decades. They have been courting them like they were Helen of Troy.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:25 AM

red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.


Notice, it's all pics of WOMEN who signed it and promote it.

The Republican/fundie WOMEN are waging the war on women, because they're petty and competitive biatches.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:27 AM
Modesty Matters, not Modest Matters. Jackasses, no matter how you spell it.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:48 AM
It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:02 AM

rynthetyn: The modesty stuff all goes hand in hand with people wanting to maintain a patriarchal hierarchy. Keep girls and women in long dresses and there's only so much that they can do. Blame them for making men lust and cause them to feel guilty about their bodies and sexuality. And instead of going after grown men for being pervs for ogling teen and even pre-teen girls who are starting to get a figure, it's the girl's fault for "causing men to stumble".

I got that message far too much from the circles I grew up in and it took ages to get past the nagging feeling that I was doing something wrong if I wore a short skirt or a low cut top.


I think it is a bunch of guys who struggle with their rape fantasies every single day.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:53 AM

PillsHere: It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.


Might as well make the womenfolk were burkhas.
 
2012-09-16 01:47:14 AM
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"You Republicans are way too extreme. Lighten up."
 
2012-09-16 01:47:35 AM

red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.


Meh, that's the kind of stupid fluff that's been floating around church women's groups for eons.
 
2012-09-16 01:48:47 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: red5ish: They quote "The True Woman Manifesto" in the article and OMG you can read it online.
Link

It's not as bad as you might think. It's a whole lot worse than that.

Notice, it's all pics of WOMEN who signed it and promote it.

The Republican/fundie WOMEN are waging the war on women, because they're petty and competitive biatches.


They're a subset of a group called Life Action Ministries out of Michigan. They're "revivalists" and non-affiliated with any known denomination, although it wouldn't be difficult to classify them as crazy-ass bible thumpers and a personality cult.
 
2012-09-16 01:49:55 AM

PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.


Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.
 
2012-09-16 01:51:00 AM

Sabyen91: PillsHere: It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Might as well make the womenfolk were burkhas.


they should wear them too ;)
 
2012-09-16 01:53:54 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.


And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.
 
2012-09-16 01:54:04 AM

Bucky Katt: Sabyen91: PillsHere: It takes a very small man to blame his own deficiencies and lack of self control on women who are completely unaware and unconcerned with their existence.

I will never understand the argument that women are to blame for making a man have "impure" thoughts about them simply for the fact that they dare to be born women. It's like a poor person who robs someone's house and then claims that it was the home owners fault for daring to be richer than them. They simply couldn't control their urges to steal because that richer person had something they wanted. How absurd. 

On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Might as well make the womenfolk were burkhas.

they should wear them too ;)


No, they should where them!

/facepalming myself.
 
2012-09-16 01:55:04 AM

rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.


More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"
 
2012-09-16 01:56:42 AM
The Crucible isn't a how-to guide!
 
2012-09-16 02:01:20 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: GAT_00: Lsherm: Did anyone get stoned to death?

Then we're still ahead.

Vote Republican! We aren't stoning women to death yet.

Oh joy, that is consolation prize isn't it :/


As long as we're somehow better than "they" are, OUR behavior, no matter how execrable, is still beyond criticism.

"We don't cut our women's Achilles tendons to hobble them! We just chain them to the wall! Vote for us!"
 
2012-09-16 02:01:37 AM

miss diminutive: DeaH: No one ever suggests that men wear blindfolds. Wouldn't that be the personally responsible thing for someone who cannot control his lustful gaze?

Better yet, male chastity belts?

[imageshack.us image 575x420]


That's not better, unless you're into that kind of thing. *shudder*

Besides, can you name even one farker who has ever requested that you wear restrictive garments, er, any restrictive non-fetish clothing?
 
2012-09-16 02:02:05 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.

More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"


Nah, that's just the Catholics. With protestants, it's usually the pastor having an affair with the church secretary or a deacon's wife. Well, unless their crusade is against gays, then you know they're going to get caught in a public restroom somewhere.
 
2012-09-16 02:07:15 AM

rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.

More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"

Nah, that's just the Catholics. With protestants, it's usually the pastor having an affair with the church secretary or a deacon's wife. Well, unless their crusade is against gays, then you know they're going to get caught in a public restroom somewhere.


The church I grew up in (United Methodist) was so boring and lacking in scandals. I feel robbed.
 
2012-09-16 02:07:45 AM
Sometimes I think modern religious people would like to go back to using Hammurabi's Code or the Assyrian Law Code. Times were better then I'm sure!
 
2012-09-16 02:13:07 AM

rynthetyn:
Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.


I have you farkied as (favorite: From a dark, benighted, putrid corner of crackerdom.) Now that I realize this it isn't a tongue-in-cheek description of a rural community where you grew up, I'm going to have to find an amusing quote from you.

And those idiots are scary. We (Jews) have been making our implementation of Torah more humane for millennia, and we have the entire paper trail readily available to anybody willing to put in the study time. What you're describing is horriffic and beggars the imagination.

*sorrowfully blanks rynthetyn's farkie*
 
2012-09-16 02:13:48 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: [Offred from Handmaid's Tale.jpg]


Oh, good, someone posted this so I don't have to.
 
2012-09-16 02:19:03 AM

Bucky Katt: From the "Modesty: It's nothing to be ashamed of" pamphlet:"Since men are particularly visual, immodesty in church can trigger lustful thoughts."

mullahs in Iran say the exact same thing


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-09-16 02:20:27 AM

red5ish: Link


fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?
 
2012-09-16 02:22:13 AM
blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?
 
2012-09-16 02:23:08 AM

violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?


Not according to the Republican Party. We are apparently stuck in the 15th century.
 
2012-09-16 02:28:10 AM

Notabunny: red5ish: Link

fta When we respond humbly to male leadership in our homes and churches, we demonstrate a noble submission to authority that reflects Christ's submission to God His Father.

So we don't need the had cuff and duct tape, then?


You don't need it, necessarily, but if you feel that's where Christ is leading you, hey, go nuts.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:08 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: rynthetyn:
Yeah, but a lot of the conservative religious right politicians have ties to the groups that are actively working to implement Old Testament civil law, complete with the stoning parts. If you start looking into who has ties to the late R.J. Rushdooney and to the Chalcedon Foundation (the main organization dedicated to implementing Old Testament law), it starts to turn into a web of major who's whos in religious right politics. And that's not even going into how Diebold's owners have given the Chalcedon Foundation millions.

Basically, the stated goal of many of the religious right groups who have taken over the Republican Party is in fact precisely what you're dismissing. Uganda and the kill-the-gays bill is their test case to see if implementing theonomy can be done.

I have you farkied as (favorite: From a dark, benighted, putrid corner of crackerdom.) Now that I realize this it isn't a tongue-in-cheek description of a rural community where you grew up, I'm going to have to find an amusing quote from you.

And those idiots are scary. We (Jews) have been making our implementation of Torah more humane for millennia, and we have the entire paper trail readily available to anybody willing to put in the study time. What you're describing is horriffic and beggars the imagination.

*sorrowfully blanks rynthetyn's farkie*


Don't worry, that's not what my life was ever like. My family was fairly mainstream middle/upper middle class. It's just that you know that show "Cougartown"? It's pretty much a satire of the area where I grew up. For reals, the show is based on that part of Florida, where there's an utterly baffling mix of people who somehow end up operating in the same social circles. Like, on one hand, I didn't realize until I went off to college that it's really not normal for your parents to be acquaintances with MLB coaches or to grow up hearing stories about how an orange juice magnate secretly donated the money for your mother to study in England, but on the other hand, I knew tons of crazy fundamentalists too.

All the stuff about Rushdooney and Chalcedon Foundation is stuff I studied in college.
 
2012-09-16 02:29:31 AM

Sabyen91: violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?

Not according to the Republican Party. We are apparently stuck in the 15th century.


I'm confused again. Someone told me it was the 12th
 
2012-09-16 02:31:06 AM

corteran: Sabyen91: violetvolume: blah blah men are uncontrollable animals, women are lustful whores, whatever, we get it, ok, can we move on now?

Not according to the Republican Party. We are apparently stuck in the 15th century.

I'm confused again. Someone told me it was the 12th


Well, any time before the 18th would probably work.
 
2012-09-16 02:33:02 AM

Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Sabyen91: rynthetyn: Lenny_da_Hog: PillsHere: On the other hand, I always wonder in situations like these involving social settings that are often times dominated by women if it's actually other women who are making these suggestions out of jealousy. It's been known to happen when they see their husbands staring at a woman hotter, younger, or thinner than them.

Spend some time in a Southern Baptist church and you will wonder no longer. The women drive every bit of this bullshiat, from anti-abortion to anti-birth-control to anti-cleavage.

The sit around every Wednesday night biatching about the other women in their small communities in order to rise up the social ladder themselves. Everything they do is about social competition in those churches.

And if the pastor starts railing from the pulpit about the way women are dressed, it's only a matter of time before he starts banging the church secretary.

More like..."why are those 8 year old boys dressing so sexy?"

Nah, that's just the Catholics. With protestants, it's usually the pastor having an affair with the church secretary or a deacon's wife. Well, unless their crusade is against gays, then you know they're going to get caught in a public restroom somewhere.

The church I grew up in (United Methodist) was so boring and lacking in scandals. I feel robbed.


The only scandal I experienced personally was when I was really little and the wife of the head deacon at my Southern Baptist church had an affair with the music minister (apparently Southern Baptists are the only ones that have straight music ministers).

Back in the 60s my uncle was a youth minister at an independent church when his wife, the church secretary/pianist, had an affair with the pastor. They sent out a letter to the entire congregation announcing that God wanted them to be together, divorced their respective spouses, and got married. Oh, and took half the church with them to their new church when they left.
 
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