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2012-09-15 10:36:45 PM
That's nothing, Apple does the equivalent of that with every new product they roll out
 
2012-09-15 11:37:40 PM
"Tricks"? If you like it, you got your money's worth.
 
2012-09-15 11:47:07 PM
t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-15 11:47:39 PM
Nobody pays $3.6 million of their own money for art. Not even good art. OPM baby. You'll spend it on dog shiat just burn it all up.
 
2012-09-15 11:57:18 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: "Tricks"? If you like it, you got your money's worth.


That's not quite true. If you'd rather have that piece of art rather than anything else that costs that much, then yeah. For the most part, anyone who's paying that much is buying it just so they can tell other people how much they paid for it. I guess in that regard, if it's worth $3 million to tell your friends you paid $3 million, you got your money's worth.
 
2012-09-15 11:59:53 PM
How art tricks "people" into paying $3.6 million for an abstract painting

ftfy
 
2012-09-16 12:06:05 AM
cache2.artprintimages.com

I did WHAT?? 
 
2012-09-16 12:13:51 AM
I'll just make my own.

That's easy.
The hard part is convincing people to pay bank for it...
 
2012-09-16 12:26:09 AM
I'm a little confused as to how subby settled on the figure of $3.6 million; people have paid a lot more than that for non-figural abstractions by Jackson Pollock and others.

What the article is dealing with is figural abstraction, of the sort that Picasso dealt in, and what it has to say about the subject is pretty obvious: our brains are designed to see patterns and pick out things which look like other things to us. People like Picasso's work because once you have a basic understanding of his visual style, you can read his works quite easily.
 
2012-09-16 12:33:18 AM
Art doesn't trick people into buying that crap, people trick themselves just fine.
 
2012-09-16 12:59:03 AM
citizen kane had to do something with all that money. painting i respect, it takes skill and talent that one earns over time. photography i have little respect for. click click, big deal.
 
2012-09-16 01:17:47 AM
I once pissed off a friend of mine by talking shiat about 'abstract' "art". He bought a t-shirt from that t-shirt website where the people draw things and sell them in t-shirt form. I forget what it was called. The t-shirt he bought was a jellyfish and a can of soda. All of that chick's t-shirts were ridiculous. Hell, all the t-shirts on that website were absurd. I could've done better myself.
 
2012-09-16 02:16:20 AM
No one buys art for that much because they like it. If you like art you pay 10 bucks for a reproduction. If you pay millions youre investing in the cultural value of it. Aesthetics dont matter at that point.
 
2012-09-16 02:22:10 AM

KrispyKritter: citizen kane had to do something with all that money. painting i respect, it takes skill and talent that one earns over time. photography i have little respect for. click click, big deal.


Yeah, I mean, who cares about creative use of framing and composition, focal length and distance, aperture, shutter speed, white balance, multiple exposures, or any of that easy nonsense you can learn in 30 minutes on youtube, right?

You don't know what you're talking about, clearly, if you think you can set your power shot to "P" and be as good as a professional. The same design principles apply in photography as in painting. Same color theory, same general creative process.

Derp.
 
2012-09-16 03:04:13 AM

TheOriginalEd: No one buys art for that much because they like it.


Some people do, though these days they are few and far between which is actually kind of the problem.
 
2012-09-16 03:55:43 AM
This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

www.book530.com

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.
 
2012-09-16 04:00:38 AM

Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)


With this one you get double your money's worth, because if you stare at it for 30 seconds and then close your eyes, you can see his "White on White".
 
2012-09-16 04:33:20 AM

Emposter: This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art.


Malevich was among the first to come along and do it. And the problem isn't art, it's dealers, galleries etc. When galleries want a resume as part of an artist's submission to be represented, things are completely off the rails.
 
2012-09-16 05:21:17 AM
♫All art is quite useless according to Oscar Wilde♫
 
2012-09-16 05:49:08 AM

Emposter: It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.


I'm really critical of much of modern art, but I do like his work. He wanted to create art that couldn't be reproduced, that you had to see the original painting or go without seeing it, and so he did work all in black, focusing on the texture of the paint and the way the brush strokes reflect light to create designs. In person, they're pretty cool.

And it's pretty clear from his intentions that he wasn't trying just to cash in. Otherwise, why purposefully go with a style that means you can't sell prints?
 
2012-09-16 05:51:46 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: I'm really critical of much of modern art, but I do like his work. He wanted to create art that couldn't be reproduced, that you had to see the original painting or go without seeing it, and so he did work all in black, focusing on the texture of the paint and the way the brush strokes reflect light to create designs. In person, they're pretty cool.

And it's pretty clear from his intentions that he wasn't trying just to cash in. Otherwise, why purposefully go with a style that means you can't sell prints?


Actually, scratch that, I'm thinking of another artist - Reinhardt.

Sigh.
 
2012-09-16 06:14:45 AM

Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.



fark you. Malevich was a genius.

www.ibiblio.org

Stunning.

www.ibiblio.org

Inspiring.

www.citrinitas.com

Gorgeous.

www.citrinitas.com

Delicate.

www.citrinitas.com

Unsettling.
 
2012-09-16 06:16:27 AM
Let's try unsettling again.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 06:48:49 AM

Gordon Bennett: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.


fark you. Malevich was a genius.

[www.ibiblio.org image 657x1038]

Stunning.

[www.ibiblio.org image 747x897]

Inspiring.

[www.citrinitas.com image 762x750]

Gorgeous.

[www.citrinitas.com image 668x750]

Delicate.

[www.citrinitas.com image 668x750]

Unsettling.


You're hilarious.
 
2012-09-16 07:00:51 AM
On Socialist Fark class struggle distracts you from abstract art
 
2012-09-16 07:27:47 AM

Gordon Bennett: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.


fark you. Malevich was a genius.

[www.ibiblio.org image 657x1038]

Stunning.

[www.ibiblio.org image 747x897]

Inspiring.

[www.citrinitas.com image 762x750]

Gorgeous.

[www.citrinitas.com image 668x750]

Delicate.

[www.citrinitas.com image 668x750]

Unsettling.


I wouldn't put them on my wall if I was paid for it.
 
2012-09-16 08:31:42 AM
It's no different than music. Your garage band is probably better than Nickelback. But they sold 50 million albums and you didn't. Art is luck and knowing people.
 
2012-09-16 10:06:23 AM

TeamVanHelsing: It's no different than music. Your garage band is probably most certainly better than Nickelback. But they sold 50 million albums and you didn't. Art is luck and knowing people.


FTFY
 
2012-09-16 12:03:43 PM
I only ask 20-50 dollars for my art. 

behance.vo.llnwd.net
 
2012-09-16 01:23:37 PM
Some of the usual suspects. I like a few of these, but I wouldn't spend more than 5% of my net worth on any of them. So none for me, thanks.


Malevich (above)

Mondrian
www.anthroposophie.net

Pollack
artmodel.files.wordpress.com

de Kooning
www.thecityreview.com

Louis
silverandexact.files.wordpress.com

and Kline
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-16 01:36:22 PM

Gordon Bennett: Let's try unsettling again.


I like the relationships. I mean, each character has his own story. The puppy is a bit too much, but you have to over look things like that in these kinds of paintings. The way he's *holding* her... it's almost... filthy. I mean, he's about to kiss her and she's pulling away. The way the leg's sort of smashed up against her... Phew... Look how he's painted the blouse sort of translucent. You can just make out her breasts underneath and it's sort of touching him about here. It's really... pretty torrid, don't you think? Then of course you have the onlookers peeking at them from behind the doorway like they're all shocked. They wish. Yeah, I must admit, when I see a painting like this, I get emotionally... erect.
 
2012-09-16 03:46:53 PM
I would rather own a mansion and a yacht.
 
2012-09-16 04:22:22 PM
Hey, I'm all for abstract art, dadaism and deconstructionist techniques and so on, but that idiot who sold that piece called "rebirth" (consisting of basketballs floating in an aquarium) for zillions deserves to be shot.
 
2012-09-16 06:08:02 PM
www.7junipers.com

ART (Japan, 18th century)

3.bp.blogspot.com

NOT ART (US, twentieth century)
 
2012-09-16 06:08:27 PM
It isn't art unless I say it's art.
 
2012-09-16 07:47:44 PM

Tax Boy: [www.7junipers.com image 500x1012]

ART (Japan, 18th century)

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 510x476]

NOT ART (US, twentieth century)


Ella Fitzgerald: singer
Chad Kroeger: singer
THEREFORE SAME
(Farkistan,21st c.)


1stgenwhtrash: Some of the usual suspects. I like a few of these, but I wouldn't spend more than 5% of my net worth on any of them. So none for me, thanks.


If nothing else, many of them are suitably insipid decor for a corporate lobby or the like.
 
2012-09-16 07:59:16 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Tax Boy: [www.7junipers.com image 500x1012]

ART (Japan, 18th century)

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 510x476]

NOT ART (US, twentieth century)

Ella Fitzgerald: singer
Chad Kroeger: singer
THEREFORE SAME
(Farkistan,21st c.)


1stgenwhtrash: Some of the usual suspects. I like a few of these, but I wouldn't spend more than 5% of my net worth on any of them. So none for me, thanks.

If nothing else, many of them are suitably insipid decor for a corporate lobby or the like.


Or a 'keep walking' hallway section away from a casino floor. Or in Pollock's case...the casino floor. In any case, I'm dead wrong about their investment value. A man could make a good chunk of change on these. And that is what fascinates me about art.
 
2012-09-16 08:45:08 PM

Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.


I happen to find the entire world of professional sports absurd and senseless. And the world of fashion makes no sense to me at all. Both involve countless adherants and obsene amounts of money that in my opinion would be better spent on pretty much literally anything else. But you know what? I don't go around whining like a little biatch about it as if anyone else might give a shiat.
 
2012-09-16 08:52:01 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.

I happen to find the entire world of professional sports absurd and senseless. And the world of fashion makes no sense to me at all. Both involve countless adherants and obsene amounts of money that in my opinion would be better spent on pretty much literally anything else. But you know what? I don't go around whining like a little biatch about it as if anyone else might give a shiat.


Too busy whining about fark posts?
 
2012-09-16 08:58:25 PM

dryknife: I would rather own a mansion and a yacht.


I don't doubt your sincerity, but that's the same mentality that says, "I'd rather buy a night with a hooker than have to earn a woman's love and respect."
 
2012-09-16 09:04:25 PM

Emposter: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.

I happen to find the entire world of professional sports absurd and senseless. And the world of fashion makes no sense to me at all. Both involve countless adherants and obsene amounts of money that in my opinion would be better spent on pretty much literally anything else. But you know what? I don't go around whining like a little biatch about it as if anyone else might give a shiat.

Too busy whining about fark posts?


I honeslty thought anyone capable of writing what you did might come up with something better than that. I've clearly overestimated you.

You're completely missing my point. It's not that you're wrong -- you can't be, it's only opinion. It's that you don't get that you're the only one who values your opinion.
 
2012-09-16 09:20:06 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.

I happen to find the entire world of professional sports absurd and senseless. And the world of fashion makes no sense to me at all. Both involve countless adherants and obsene amounts of money that in my opinion would be better spent on pretty much literally anything else. But you know what? I don't go around whining like a little biatch about it as if anyone else might give a shiat.

Too busy whining about fark posts?

I honeslty thought anyone capable of writing what you did might come up with something better than that. I've clearly overestimated you.

You're completely missing my point. It's not that you're wrong -- you can't be, it's only opinion. It's that you don't get that you're the only one who values your opinion.


And you apparently don't see the hypocrisy here.
 
2012-09-16 09:45:29 PM

Emposter: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.

I happen to find the entire world of professional sports absurd and senseless. And the world of fashion makes no sense to me at all. Both involve countless adherants and obsene amounts of money that in my opinion would be better spent on pretty much literally anything else. But you know what? I don't go around whining like a little biatch about it as if anyone else might give a shiat.

Too busy whining about fark posts?

I honeslty thought anyone capable of writing what you did might come up with something better than that. I've clearly overestimated you.

You're completely missing my point. It's not that you're wrong -- you can't be, it's only opinion. It's that you don't get that you're the only one who values your opinion.

And you apparently don't see the hypocrisy here.


Hypocrisy doesn't mean what you think it does. Hypocrisy is when a person acts in a manner logically contradictory to what they say. For example, a fat doctor who smokes, but chides his patients for their 'unhealthy' lifestyles (assuming he hasn't worked up some cockamamie exception that makes sense only to him -- you'd be surprised how common that is).

You think that because I complained about your complaining, I'm being a hypocrite. But I actually complained about the *content* and *nature* of your complaining, not the complaining itself. Everyone is entitled to complain about whatever they want. But no one is entitled to have others agree with it or respect them for it. In this case, you advanced a number of opinions that are strictly that: We know this because the objective evidence proves that many people disagree very strongly with you. All that's fine. I think pro sports and fashion are stupid, and millions feel exactly the opposite, and back it with their money. That's all fair. But then you built a thesis based on your opinions, and advanced *that* as some kind of truth or wisdom, and that's just asinine. If I were to say that sports and fashion are what's wrong with the world, I would be an ass, too. (And I'd also be a hypocrite, as well.)

I was harsh with you not because I disagree with your opinions about any art, which mean nothing to me. I was harsh with you for advancing your opinions as the plausible foundation of a logical proof, which is rationally impossible: opinion is never fact. You overreached, and got schooled. That's all. In a few days, I'll mostly forget this conversation and your part in it, so don't take it personally. Just take the lesson and move on.
 
2012-09-16 09:47:52 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Emposter: This is Black Square by Kazimir Malevich. (link is hot)

[www.book530.com image 419x400]

It was purchased by a museum for $1 million.

He also did such "masterpieces" as Black Circle, Black Cross, and other such paintings. The Black Square is also known as the Supremacist, and he's thought to be the father of Suprematism, a so called "art movement" "focused on basic geometric forms, such as circles, squares, lines, and rectangles, painted in a limited range of colors."

This shiat is what is wrong with "abstract" and "modern" art. This, and millions of "art students," are what leads to "lights turning on and off in a dark room" winning the Turner Prize and collectors and museums literally buying cans of artists' crap (as in human excrement) for in excess of $100,000 each.

I happen to find the entire world of professional sports absurd and senseless. And the world of fashion makes no sense to me at all. Both involve countless adherants and obsene amounts of money that in my opinion would be better spent on pretty much literally anything else. But you know what? I don't go around whining like a little biatch about it as if anyone else might give a shiat.


Yeah, if you express dislike of anything about art/sport/fashion then you find the entire world of art/sport/fashion incomprehensible and worthless and therefore shouldn't express an opinion about it. Same way anyone who disapproves of 'pink slime' should keep their mouth shut about food. Logic!
 
2012-09-16 09:54:42 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: If I were to say that sports and fashion are what's wrong with the world, I would be an ass, too. (And I'd also be a hypocrite, as well.)


He said nothing of the sort about art.

I was harsh with you not because I disagree with your opinions about any art, which mean nothing to me. I was harsh with you for advancing your opinions as the plausible foundation of a logical proof, which is rationally impossible: opinion is never fact. You overreached, and got schooled.

You're the one overreaching by reading something into that comment which is simply not present.
 
2012-09-16 10:12:06 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatc: You think that because I complained about your complaining, I'm being a hypocrite. But I actually complained about the *content* and *nature* of your complaining, not the complaining itself. Everyone is entitled to complain about whatever they want. But no one is entitled to have others agree with it or respect them for it. In this case, you advanced a number of opinions that are strictly that: We know this because the objective evidence proves that many people disagree very strongly with you. All that's fine. I think pro sports and fashion are stupid, and millions feel exactly the opposite, and back it with their money. That's all fair. But then you built a thesis based on your opinions, and advanced *that* as some kind of truth or wisdom, and that's just asinine. If I were to say that sports and fashion are what's wrong with the world, I would be an ass, too. (And I'd also be a hypocrite, as well.)

I was harsh with you not because I disagree with your opinions about any art, which mean nothing to me. I was harsh with you for advancing your opinions as the plausible foundation of a logical proof, which is rationally impossible: opinion is never fact. You overreached, and got schooled. That's all. In a few days, I'll mostly forget this conversation and your part in it, so don't take it personally. Just take the lesson and move on.



I expressed my opinion on the topic of a Fark thread. You, on the other hand, have now spend far too much time turning it into some sort of imagined thesis so that you could "school" someone in an internet argument that existed only in your imagination.

It's sad, really.
 
2012-09-16 10:12:44 PM

Emposter: spent


FTFM
 
2012-09-16 11:00:50 PM
Someone brought up sports as a possible parallel for being overpaid. While I think that athletes ARE overpaid my judgment on such things comes down to this: could I do it?

Can I make a three pointer? Sure. Can I drive 300 yards or sink a 25 foot putt? Sure. But I can't do any of those things with regularity or consistency.

Can I paint a picture like the Mona Lisa? No. Can I throw a bunch of paint at a blank canvas? Yes. Can I make a single dot on a blank canvas? Yes. Can I piss in a jar, throw in a dollar bill and seal it? Yes. Those are all things I can do repeatedly with out much difficulty.
 
2012-09-17 02:10:42 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Art.

upload.wikimedia.org

Not art.

upload.wikimedia.org

Art.

upload.wikimedia.org

Not art.

...

...

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE
 
2012-09-17 02:59:00 AM

mjbok: Someone brought up sports as a possible parallel for being overpaid. While I think that athletes ARE overpaid my judgment on such things comes down to this: could I do it?

Can I paint a picture like the Mona Lisa? No. Can I throw a bunch of paint at a blank canvas? Yes. Can I make a single dot on a blank canvas? Yes. Can I piss in a jar, throw in a dollar bill and seal it? Yes. Those are all things I can do repeatedly with out much difficulty.


the trick is not to pee in a jar... it's to be the first guy to think of doing it.

the fact that people are still talking about it thirty years later, even people such as yourself who may not really like modern or contemporary art, is proof that he was onto something, no?

if you try and sell your own pee jars you may find some interested parties but there's a reason why 'piss christ' has a wikipedia page and you will be lucky to get some play on craigslist maybe.

a lot of folks just think 'art' means nothing but pretty pictures, and hey, they can convince themselves they are right, and the art world won't really care anyway.... just like geologists don't really trouble themselves with the idea that the earth is 6000 years old even though some folks on the internet will swear up and down it's the case and they know better.
 
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