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(New York Daily News)   Parents complain after children are banned from Brooklyn beer garden after 4 p.m. "It pretty much means that they don't want us here with the kids"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 176
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2012-09-15 09:25:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: I'm sorry they won't let you bring your crotch fruit there any more. What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.


I could care less about this place, or about who they let in or don't let in (though, it'd be nice if they kept the Staten Island crowd away from the area). I'm just saying that if you're going to criticize people for being pushy about stuff like this, you should at least be consistent about it.

I am being consistent. I have yet to say the parents are right or deserve to have their kids there. The teachers deserve to have a place to drink and relax and not be surrounded by children. That's an extremely reasonable request, especially for a bar. They aren't denying the parents the privilege to drink. Just don't bring your kids in there with you.


Of course the teachers are reasonable for wanting a place to go without being surrounded by children. But the parents are also reasonable for wanting a place to go have some food and a drink or two, even if they can't unload their kids for the afternoon, as this place was initially advertised (e.g., as a "family friendly" bar/restaurant, which allows the under-21 crowd until 7pm). This is not a situation where one side is "right" and one is "wrong" - it's a situation where both sides are dealing with scarce resources, so to speak (there really aren't that many places for anyone to go around this place), and both sides have reasonable requests. So, why is it that the teachers' reasonable request is perceived as such, but the parents' reasonable request is perceived as the "Mommy Mafia"?
 
2012-09-15 09:25:26 PM  
img.fark.com
 
2012-09-15 09:25:43 PM  
Couldn't you just leash the kids and tie them outside like you do dogs?
 
2012-09-15 09:27:19 PM  
Lets be honest here, How many of you read the fark headline and said to yourself, "No shiat sherlock!"
or something very, very similar?
 
2012-09-15 09:27:21 PM  

El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: I'm sorry they won't let you bring your crotch fruit there any more. What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.


I could care less about this place, or about who they let in or don't let in (though, it'd be nice if they kept the Staten Island crowd away from the area). I'm just saying that if you're going to criticize people for being pushy about stuff like this, you should at least be consistent about it.

I am being consistent. I have yet to say the parents are right or deserve to have their kids there. The teachers deserve to have a place to drink and relax and not be surrounded by children. That's an extremely reasonable request, especially for a bar. They aren't denying the parents the privilege to drink. Just don't bring your kids in there with you.

Of course the teachers are reasonable for wanting a place to go without being surrounded by children. But the parents are also reasonable for wanting a place to go have some food and a drink or two, even if they can't unload their kids for the afternoon, as this place was initially advertised (e.g., as a "family friendly" bar/restaurant, which allows the under-21 crowd until 7pm). This is not a situation where one side is "right" and one is "wrong" - it's a situation where both sides are dealing with scarce resources, so to speak (there really aren't that many places for anyone to go around this place), and both sides have reasonable requests. So, why is it that the teachers' reasonable request is perceived as such, but the parents' reasonable request is perceived as the "Mommy Mafia"?


Because they are completely unwilling to accept that they are still allowed to bring their children to the pub with them, so long as they are finished with their business there prior to 4pm.
 
2012-09-15 09:28:17 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Couldn't you just leash the kids and tie them outside like you do dogs?


Remember those child harnesses from the 90s? That's what they were called, but they looked like leashes to me.
 
2012-09-15 09:30:23 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: El_Perro: doglover: El_Perro: It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change.

Do you know why?

It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.

Teachers spend all day earning peanuts and dealing in a professional manner with children that most people would not spend any length of time with for all the money in the world. The last thing they need is to deal with the same kids AFTER work, too. You need those places to escape from work. And if a beer garden isn't the textbook example of a place they should discourage minors from patronizing I don't know what it.


I agree, of course they need those places to escape from work. At the same time, parents also need places to socialize and, yes, have a drink or two. This place explicitly advertised itself (and continues to advertise itself) as "family friendly." There are other places in the area that do not (Double Windsor and Farrell's both come to mind, as do plenty of places over in Park Slope itself).

If the situation had been reversed and the stroller crowd had gotten the place to change it's rules to allow parents to bring kids, the teachers would have been justifiably upset about the rule change, and upset that they had lost a place to escape from work. My point is simply that, given the rules that were in place (and, again, the advertising as "family friendly"), these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.

So do your drinking and socializing before 4pm, and then leave so that the teachers can also enjoy drinking and socializing.

Unless you're a ninny who feels the need to complain that they can't get their way 24/7, it's a win/win.


The same could be said about the teachers, under the initial rules of this place. If they didn't want to be around kids, they could have let the parents do their socializing until 7pm, and then have the place to themselves. It was the teachers who felt the need to complain taht they couldn't get their way for the hours between 4pm and 7pm. That's all we're talking about here - three hours. Why are the teachers reasonable for complaining, but now that the situation is reversed, the parents are "ninnies" for making their own wishes known?
 
2012-09-15 09:30:57 PM  

El_Perro: these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.


Yeah. But things change.

Plus, the place IS family friendly. Just not after 4. Used to be 7. Still a nice lunch option.

I would have a little more sympathy, but teachers get too much shiat from parents. Not wearing a condom is not some grand accomplishment. Anyone without a medical problem and many people with one are capable of sexual reproduction. If you're not able to spend 24/7 raising the result of that sexual reproduction, and let's face it no one is, eventually you'll have to trust the child to someone else.

That person is also a human. They like to drink, smoke, curse, and fart loudly as the punchline to the joke about the monkey and the rabbi in Mecca. Unlike all other professions, however, teachers catch holy hell if they're seen acting like humans outside of work. Basically we have the same constraints as diplomats, but without the marine security or the pay checks and immunity.

When parents rise up and shout down the soccer moms and vote to raise teacher salaries and tell their kids to study harder instead of blaming the teacher when tests are bombed... when this happens maybe I'll upgrade to the world's second smallest violin for the parents who lost one of an infinite number of potential restaurant options.
 
2012-09-15 09:31:20 PM  
American beer garden does this, Americans complain. But only a Brit newspaper is surprised.
 
2012-09-15 09:32:32 PM  
What is this garden of beer you speak of?

Also...kids should be banned from every public place.
 
2012-09-15 09:33:54 PM  

El_Perro: The My Little Pony Killer: El_Perro: doglover: El_Perro: It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change.

Do you know why?

It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.

Teachers spend all day earning peanuts and dealing in a professional manner with children that most people would not spend any length of time with for all the money in the world. The last thing they need is to deal with the same kids AFTER work, too. You need those places to escape from work. And if a beer garden isn't the textbook example of a place they should discourage minors from patronizing I don't know what it.


I agree, of course they need those places to escape from work. At the same time, parents also need places to socialize and, yes, have a drink or two. This place explicitly advertised itself (and continues to advertise itself) as "family friendly." There are other places in the area that do not (Double Windsor and Farrell's both come to mind, as do plenty of places over in Park Slope itself).

If the situation had been reversed and the stroller crowd had gotten the place to change it's rules to allow parents to bring kids, the teachers would have been justifiably upset about the rule change, and upset that they had lost a place to escape from work. My point is simply that, given the rules that were in place (and, again, the advertising as "family friendly"), these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.

So do your drinking and socializing before 4pm, and then leave so that the teac ...


The parents have all day to do their drinking and socializing. The teachers have spent their days working, around many children, and would be up all freaking night with the 3 hour wait for the parents to finish up and take their broods home. The teachers have greater restrictions with how they spend the time in their days. The parents do not, ergo, the parents are ninnies.
 
2012-09-15 09:38:24 PM  
Ah, Fark, where any issue involving kids gets a fair and reasonable hearing.

Remove the kids for a second: a venue marketed itself to a certain demographic, but when a more profitable new market opened up, they barred the first demographic from coming.

That sucks. The customers who can't stay where they've been invited have a right to complain. And the owners better hope they calculated their relative profit margins correctly. If they did then they will remember this story and laugh.

I can't believe that there are all these jerks here that would begrudge a parent a beer with a friend - oh no! call CPS! - while your kids played bocce at a *place that invited you to come*.

/I actually can believe it, it's Fark.
 
2012-09-15 09:38:54 PM  

El_Perro: Why are the teachers reasonable for complaining, but now that the situation is reversed, the parents are "ninnies" for making their own wishes known?


I'm a stripper. I have a kid. I'll just take him to work with me, set him up at a back table with some juice. Acceptable?

I like cigars. I like my kid. I'll just go to the cigar bar with my kid, maybe give him an unlit stogie. Aw, look at that, he's just like Winston Churchill. Acceptable?

I'm a doctor. I have to do an operation. I'll just sterilize my kid and set him down in the corner of the OR during your surgery. Acceptable?

Do you not see the part where some things are just not appropriate for children, even if you are a parent? The fact that kids get in until 4pm makes the place family friendly. After that it's happy hour. If your kid can't order a beer for themselves, they're too young to be in there.
 
2012-09-15 09:39:26 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: I'm sorry they won't let you bring your crotch fruit there any more. What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.


I could care less about this place, or about who they let in or don't let in (though, it'd be nice if they kept the Staten Island crowd away from the area). I'm just saying that if you're going to criticize people for being pushy about stuff like this, you should at least be consistent about it.

I am being consistent. I have yet to say the parents are right or deserve to have their kids there. The teachers deserve to have a place to drink and relax and not be surrounded by children. That's an extremely reasonable request, especially for a bar. They aren't denying the parents the privilege to drink. Just don't bring your kids in there with you.

Of course the teachers are reasonable for wanting a place to go without being surrounded by children. But the parents are also reasonable for wanting a place to go have some food and a drink or two, even if they can't unload their kids for the afternoon, as this place was initially advertised (e.g., as a "family friendly" bar/restaurant, which allows the under-21 crowd until 7pm). This is not a situation where one side is "right" and one is "wrong" - it's a situation where both sides are dealing with scarce resources, so to speak (there really aren't that many places for anyone to go around this place), and both sides have reasonable requests. So, why is it that the teachers' reasonable request is perceived as such, but the parents' reasonable request is perceived as the "Mommy Mafia"?

Because they are completely unwilling to accept that they are still allowed to bring their children to the pub with them, so long as they are finished with their business there prior to 4pm.


Once again, by the same token, you could say that the teachers were completely unwilling to accept that they were still allowed to drink at this place, without children present, so long as they arrived after 7pm.

I agree that parents (in this area and elsewhere) are often rather pushy about trying to force places to allow them to bring their kids. But that's not the situation here. This was a place that openly advertised/advertises as a family friendly restaurant & bar, and allowed kids until 7pm. These teachers weren't willing to accept that. If the situation were reversed, I'd bet that everyone here who is defending the teachers for making their request would be tearing apart the parents for making the opposite request.
 
2012-09-15 09:42:04 PM  
sounds like the beer garden is turning into a gay bar, nttawwt.
 
2012-09-15 09:42:25 PM  

doglover: I'm a doctor. I have to do an operation. I'll just sterilize my kid and set him down in the corner of the OR during your surgery. Acceptable?


Well, that's a bit extreme...

Oh, wait, you probably mean with alcohol prep pads or something. Carry on.
 
2012-09-15 09:42:26 PM  

doglover: El_Perro: Why are the teachers reasonable for complaining, but now that the situation is reversed, the parents are "ninnies" for making their own wishes known?

I'm a stripper. I have a kid. I'll just take him to work with me, set him up at a back table with some juice. Acceptable?

I like cigars. I like my kid. I'll just go to the cigar bar with my kid, maybe give him an unlit stogie. Aw, look at that, he's just like Winston Churchill. Acceptable?

I'm a doctor. I have to do an operation. I'll just sterilize my kid and set him down in the corner of the OR during your surgery. Acceptable?

Do you not see the part where some things are just not appropriate for children, even if you are a parent? The fact that kids get in until 4pm makes the place family friendly. After that it's happy hour. If your kid can't order a beer for themselves, they're too young to be in there.


Why would you strip if you are a surgeon? You're some kind of farked up Buckaroo Banzai.
 
2012-09-15 09:44:02 PM  
You want to bring your kids into a bar in Wisconsin? Meh, we doesn't care.

http://www.revenue.wi.gov/faqs/ise/atundrg.html#undrg2
 
2012-09-15 09:44:20 PM  

doglover: It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.


Came here to say this.

There is a double standard for teachers. They have to be professional while on and off the clock. Some parents get very upset when they find out that their child's teacher isn't perfect. Drinking in public in front of students is just one example.

In a better world, school administrators would tell the parents that their complaints have no merit. Unfortunately, some administrators just want to make the problem disappear. It is sometimes easier to replace a teacher than it is to deal with some parents, especially if those parents hold some sort of political clout. Teachers shouldn't be forced to always live life second guessing their actions.

Nobody seems to bat an eye at the number of kid themed restaurants. It would be nice to have some non-seedy places for adults, too. As for the start time of the restriction, remember that some people get off of work early.
 
2012-09-15 09:44:31 PM  

ippolit: Why would you strip if you are a surgeon? You're some kind of farked up Buckaroo Banzai.


Ha!
 
2012-09-15 09:45:25 PM  

srtpointman: If you want to go boozing with your girlfriends, then learn to swallow or enjoy anal. It's bad enough listening to idiot 21 year olds, I don't want to listen to your farking 12 year old running around my table.


Maybe your girlfriend or girlfriends are different, but learning to swallow isn't usually a prerequisite. I'm a fairly liberal guy, but this is going a bit far. Anal on the other hand...
 
2012-09-15 09:45:50 PM  

doglover: El_Perro:

Do you not see the part where some things are just not appropriate for children, even if you are a parent? The fact that kids get in until 4pm makes the place family friendly. After that it's happy hour. If your kid can't order a beer for themselves, they're too young to be in there.


No, it was family friendly until about 7. And what made it family friendly was that the owners of the business said so, encouraged that environment and advertised as such. There is nothing inappropriate about your kid playing bocce with your friend's child while the two of you drink a beer and talk about something not involving Dora the Explorer.

Suggesting that such an environment is the equivalent of taking your kid to your work at a strip club is absurd. Suggesting that someone who was a patron of the place has no right to complain when they're banned is absurd.
 
2012-09-15 09:46:19 PM  

doglover: El_Perro: Why are the teachers reasonable for complaining, but now that the situation is reversed, the parents are "ninnies" for making their own wishes known?

I'm a stripper. I have a kid. I'll just take him to work with me, set him up at a back table with some juice. Acceptable?

I like cigars. I like my kid. I'll just go to the cigar bar with my kid, maybe give him an unlit stogie. Aw, look at that, he's just like Winston Churchill. Acceptable?

I'm a doctor. I have to do an operation. I'll just sterilize my kid and set him down in the corner of the OR during your surgery. Acceptable?

Do you not see the part where some things are just not appropriate for children, even if you are a parent? The fact that kids get in until 4pm makes the place family friendly. After that it's happy hour. If your kid can't order a beer for themselves, they're too young to be in there.


Except that the place initially allowed kids until 7pm (and, incidentally, the place hasn't changed its website, which still lists the 7pm time, not 4pm). That made the place family friendly until 7pm.

Your analogies are complete horseshiat. None of those places have ever purported to be appropriate for kids, at any time. Until last week, this place did (and still does, until 4pm). If 4pm is reasonable, why isn't 7pm?
 
2012-09-15 09:47:49 PM  

doglover: El_Perro: these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.

Yeah. But things change.

Plus, the place IS family friendly. Just not after 4. Used to be 7. Still a nice lunch option.

I would have a little more sympathy, but teachers get too much shiat from parents. Not wearing a condom is not some grand accomplishment. Anyone without a medical problem and many people with one are capable of sexual reproduction. If you're not able to spend 24/7 raising the result of that sexual reproduction, and let's face it no one is, eventually you'll have to trust the child to someone else.

That person is also a human. They like to drink, smoke, curse, and fart loudly as the punchline to the joke about the monkey and the rabbi in Mecca. Unlike all other professions, however, teachers catch holy hell if they're seen acting like humans outside of work. Basically we have the same constraints as diplomats, but without the marine security or the pay checks and immunity.

When parents rise up and shout down the soccer moms and vote to raise teacher salaries and tell their kids to study harder instead of blaming the teacher when tests are bombed... when this happens maybe I'll upgrade to the world's second smallest violin for the parents who lost one of an infinite number of potential restaurant options.


I emphasize with you and have heard even worse horror stories. I can't imagine why anyone would choose teaching as a career (with students less than college age, that is).
 
2012-09-15 09:48:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: //I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere

 
2012-09-15 09:48:52 PM  
Most places don't allow pets.
Should be the same for kids.

They make too much noise, shiat, and stink. Got a seeing-eye baby, sure. Otherwise, dont reproduce if you can't afford the sitter. You seriously think the rest of us want to deal with your screaming fermented-jerkstain after a full day of work? Bzzzt.
 
2012-09-15 09:50:44 PM  
Kids don't drink much booze, do you have any idea how much drinks are marked up at bars?
 
2012-09-15 09:55:07 PM  
Assholes all around on this one.
 
2012-09-15 09:55:26 PM  

Methadone Girls: Jeez, and I'm feeling guilty for not getting my kid dinner till 7:00 tonight. Who brings their kid to a bar?


Parents that become Fark threads.
 
2012-09-15 09:58:07 PM  
By George! I think they've got it!

Cue the orchestra, Eliza!
 
2012-09-15 09:58:22 PM  

El_Perro: Your analogies are complete horseshiat. None of those places have ever purported to be appropriate for kids, at any time. Until last week, this place did (and still does, until 4pm). If 4pm is reasonable, why isn't 7pm?


More people are out of work between 5 and 7pm and would prefer a child-free hangout.
 
2012-09-15 09:58:42 PM  

Witness99: I can't imagine why anyone would choose teaching as a career


Teaching kids is like a hit off a crack pipe. That face they make when you've just flipped the switch from "Derp." to "Aha!" is good. And mostly the teaching parts are nice. You get to talk about what you're passionate about every single day. It's like your own little talk show with a dedicated audience.

The problem with teaching isn't the kids, or the job itself. It's that more than all the other jobs, teaching has to deal with back seat drivers.

If I were in the states, I would never try teaching. No way. Here it accounts for half my income and since I'm essentially a second class citizen, the stress level is super low from the actual school side of things. I don't have to stay late or go to the family homes and meet the parents. As it is, I'm still often trying my hands at things to try and get non-teaching side jobs going and leave it off entirely. Even the easiest just put too much pressure on you to have decent life. If it's not straight up stress, it's financial.
 
2012-09-15 10:02:14 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: El_Perro: Your analogies are complete horseshiat. None of those places have ever purported to be appropriate for kids, at any time. Until last week, this place did (and still does, until 4pm). If 4pm is reasonable, why isn't 7pm?

More people are out of work between 5 and 7pm and would prefer a child-free hangout.


By the same token, many parents are out of work between 5 and 7pm, and may want to grab a drink after work themselves.

I'm not saying these teachers don't have a reasonable point. Just that the parents have a reasonable point also.
 
2012-09-15 10:03:37 PM  

Gwendolyn: DING DING DING!

Keep your kids out of the freaking beer garden. You're a parent. Start acting like one.


Gwendolyn gets my Farker of the Day Award.
 
2012-09-15 10:03:40 PM  

ippolit: doglover: El_Perro: Why are the teachers reasonable for complaining, but now that the situation is reversed, the parents are "ninnies" for making their own wishes known?
Why would you strip if you are a surgeon? You're some kind of farked up Buckaroo Banzai.


Or some very clever marketing: "Free faceful of boobies with purchase of one vasectomy!"
 
2012-09-15 10:04:26 PM  
"I'm looking at these 21-year-olds," said Alex Phillips, 36, whose daughter Madeleine, 2, rested by her side. "Wait until you have kids and want a drink."

You're not 21 anymore. Or you're this person:

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-09-15 10:07:09 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "They are surrounded by children all day," said owner Diane Vasilakos, confirming that much of the disapproval came from educators. "They don't want to also see them here."

Several parents, in turn, claimed it's not the students that teachers are actually worried about.

"They don't want us to see them drink," said Yuna Weiss, a 44-year-old mother of four. "Some of them get very sloppy."

Gotta side with the teachers on this one. Buy a 12 pack, get your FOUR crotchfruit home and out of areas where adults should be able to relax, and do some parenting...or get drunk, whatever I don't really care.

But moms said they also deserve a place to park their strollers and throw down a couple of cold ones.

There's probably a T.G.I. Friday's down the street, go there. Hell I know some Chuck E. Cheeses sell beer, and you can unload your kids on other people who get paid to deal with it. Don't mess with the bars.

/I have no problem with parents drinking
//I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere


Sorry, there are plenty of bars out there that are totally appropriate for parents and kids, just because you have a stick up your ass, it doesn't mean that you set the rules.

4pm is pretty early, too, but it IS the bar's choice. These people shouldn't have aproblem taking their business elsewhere.
 
2012-09-15 10:08:53 PM  
Yes. Yes it does.
 
2012-09-15 10:09:17 PM  

El_Perro: Once again, by the same token, you could say that the teachers were completely unwilling to accept that they were still allowed to drink at this place, without children present, so long as they arrived after 7pm.


Yes, if you would like to continue to ignore the fact that teachers have restrictions with how they can spend the time in their days that parents do not, that idea does work. However, you can't simply ignore the fact that teachers do, in fact, have said time restrictions, yet here you are.

/you can't always get what you want
//deal with it
 
2012-09-15 10:10:09 PM  
As a child of the late 60s and early 70s, back then it was not uncommon for parents to bring their kids to the neighborhood taverns, as long as it was before about 8:00 PM. But the kids were expected to behave if the parent wanted to remain welcome at the establishment.
 
2012-09-15 10:10:32 PM  
"I'm looking at these 21-year-olds," said Alex Phillips, 36, whose daughter Madeleine, 2, rested by her side. "Wait until you have kids and want a drink."

I may only be 22, but I'm fairly certain I want to drink more right now than I ever will in later life.

/also, way to assume we all want kids
 
2012-09-15 10:11:26 PM  

El_Perro: Except that the place initially allowed kids until 7pm (and, incidentally, the place hasn't changed its website, which still lists the 7pm time, not 4pm). That made the place family friendly until 7pm.

Your analogies are complete horseshiat. None of those places have ever purported to be appropriate for kids, at any time. Until last week, this place did (and still does, until 4pm). If 4pm is reasonable, why isn't 7pm?


Teachers. Time restrictions.

Parents. No time restrictions.
 
2012-09-15 10:11:39 PM  
So, why is it that the teachers' reasonable request is perceived as such, but the parents' reasonable request is perceived as the "Mommy Mafia"?

The teachers have just spent 8 hours educating/raising with your snowflakes. You get them back and the first thing you want to do is take them to a bar and get drunk rather than spending some time talking and being a parent to them. You have no space to complain. Also, the parents that are most offended by teachers drinking in public are likely to be the ones who get smashed in front of their kids. Never get drunk in front of your kids - they lose respect for you.
 
2012-09-15 10:11:49 PM  

Spaghettiows: As a child of the late 60s and early 70s, back then it was not uncommon for parents to bring their kids to the neighborhood taverns, as long as it was before about 8:00 PM. But the kids were expected to behave if the parent wanted to remain welcome at the establishment.


Back when a stranger could help keep a child in line without being arrested or ending up on some registry.
 
2012-09-15 10:12:21 PM  

El_Perro: cameroncrazy1984: El_Perro: Your analogies are complete horseshiat. None of those places have ever purported to be appropriate for kids, at any time. Until last week, this place did (and still does, until 4pm). If 4pm is reasonable, why isn't 7pm?

More people are out of work between 5 and 7pm and would prefer a child-free hangout.

By the same token, many parents are out of work between 5 and 7pm, and may want to grab a drink after work themselves.

I'm not saying these teachers don't have a reasonable point. Just that the parents have a reasonable point also.


Great. Leave the kids at home and drink to your heart's content. Win/win.
 
2012-09-15 10:13:09 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Parents. No time restrictions.


because once you have kids you never work? Since when does having a kid take away time restrictions from your life?
 
2012-09-15 10:15:10 PM  

raanne: The My Little Pony Killer: Parents. No time restrictions.

because once you have kids you never work? Since when does having a kid take away time restrictions from your life?


Somebody who can put in the time and effort to complain so loudly about not being able to take their children with them everywhere they go probably don't have a whole lot going on in their professional lives, for obvious reasons.
 
2012-09-15 10:15:18 PM  

ippolit:

Why would you strip if you are a surgeon? You're some kind of farked up Buckaroo Banzai.


An AWESOME one.
 
2012-09-15 10:15:28 PM  
A lot of angry, single children in this thread.
 
2012-09-15 10:15:57 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: El_Perro: Once again, by the same token, you could say that the teachers were completely unwilling to accept that they were still allowed to drink at this place, without children present, so long as they arrived after 7pm.

Yes, if you would like to continue to ignore the fact that teachers have restrictions with how they can spend the time in their days that parents do not, that idea does work. However, you can't simply ignore the fact that teachers do, in fact, have said time restrictions, yet here you are.


Umm, you do realize that many/most parents work, right? Even where one parent stays home, the other parent is usually working, and thus has the same time restrictions as teachers. Working parents may want to grab a drink after work, too.

/you can't always get what you want
//deal with it


Again, the same could have been said about the teachers - they didn't get what they want when this place opened, they could ahve dealt with it. Instead, they complained. The beer garden changed their rules, and now the parents are complaining. The beer garden says the rules are still in flux - if they change the rules back, or somewhere in between, will you be telling the teachers taht they can't always get what they want, and to deal with it?
 
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