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(New York Daily News)   Parents complain after children are banned from Brooklyn beer garden after 4 p.m. "It pretty much means that they don't want us here with the kids"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 177
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2012-09-15 06:25:48 PM
NO shiat YOU ALKIES!

UNLESS YOUR "KIDS" ARE OLD ENOUGH TO DRINK, GO HOME!
 
2012-09-15 06:29:32 PM
Never, ever, ever underestimate the Park Slope Mommy Mafia.
 
2012-09-15 06:31:56 PM
Hey far out.  I live right near this place.  It's fine in the day, but after dark Staten Island swims up through an ocean of Axe body spray.
 
2012-09-15 06:32:36 PM
"I CAN'T GET DAY DRUNK WITH MY TODDLER IN PUBLIC AND I AM OUTRAGED!"
 
2012-09-15 06:33:49 PM
"They are surrounded by children all day," said owner Diane Vasilakos, confirming that much of the disapproval came from educators. "They don't want to also see them here."

Several parents, in turn, claimed it's not the students that teachers are actually worried about.

"They don't want us to see them drink," said Yuna Weiss, a 44-year-old mother of four. "Some of them get very sloppy."


Gotta side with the teachers on this one. Buy a 12 pack, get your FOUR crotchfruit home and out of areas where adults should be able to relax, and do some parenting...or get drunk, whatever I don't really care.

But moms said they also deserve a place to park their strollers and throw down a couple of cold ones.

There's probably a T.G.I. Friday's down the street, go there. Hell I know some Chuck E. Cheeses sell beer, and you can unload your kids on other people who get paid to deal with it. Don't mess with the bars.

/I have no problem with parents drinking
//I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere
 
2012-09-15 06:37:52 PM
Yes, that's exactly what it means.
 
2012-09-15 06:46:32 PM
Someone is perceptive. Just like when my cable company sends me a bill, it pretty much means they want money.
 
2012-09-15 06:51:41 PM
DING DING DING!

Keep your kids out of the freaking beer garden. You're a parent. Start acting like one.
 
2012-09-15 06:51:57 PM
Children ought to be banned from a beer garden on principle.
 
2012-09-15 06:52:00 PM

CreamFilling: Someone is perceptive. Just like when my cable company sends me a bill, it pretty much means they want money.


Or like when I got fired from my job back in April, which pretty much meant that I wasn't allowed to show up there and do work in exchange for money anymore.
 
2012-09-15 06:56:12 PM
Csb: I don't smoke anymore, but back when I did I got into a nasty tiff in a beer garden at a local outdoor concert because I had the audacity to light up near someone's precious snowflakes. Because toddlers are sooooo essential to the beer garden experience. What were they doing there anyway? I bet their ID's were fake.
 
2012-09-15 06:57:53 PM

scottydoesntknow: I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere


This.

As a teacher, I need places I can go and not run the risk of bumping into anyone younger than 20 or so. If there's kids running around, it prevents relaxation and unless the parents are gonna comp my whole night I really must insist they lose the brood.
 
2012-09-15 07:00:30 PM

scottydoesntknow:
/I have no problem with parents drinking
//I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere


[flashing red neon] THIS THIS THIS THIS [/flashing red neon] 

I live in Honolulu. There is no law here against having children, even infants, in bars. It's so farking obnoxious.
 
2012-09-15 07:01:39 PM
Kids are good for fetching beer when you are at home. At a beer garden, not so much.
 
2012-09-15 07:06:07 PM
FTFA: "It pretty much means that they don't want us here with the kids."

i595.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-15 07:35:12 PM
Isn't there a snooty Kid Park to take them to teach them marginalization of others and prejudice? I'm sure it's right next to the snooty Dog Park where they teach their dogs marginalization of others and prejudice.
 
2012-09-15 07:37:06 PM

GAT_00: Children ought to be banned from a beer garden on principle.


Unless they're pulling weeds, cultivating the rows of beer or something useful like that.
 
2012-09-15 07:45:18 PM
Jeez, and I'm feeling guilty for not getting my kid dinner till 7:00 tonight. Who brings their kid to a bar?
 
2012-09-15 07:55:38 PM
Entitled white people problems.

Just because YOU love your children doesn't mean the rest of us are going to love them too. When the boyfriend and I go out to locales that aren't necessarily kid-friendly, and we see parents who have dragged younger kids there (under 10).....I wonder what the fark these people are thinking. My dad likes to have a beer or two, but when my sister and I were younger, he would have cut off his own head rather than take us with him to a bar, or a beer garden, or some other place like that.

Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, you snooty coont.
 
2012-09-15 08:10:25 PM

FreakinB: Never, ever, ever underestimate the Park Slope Mommy Mafia.


Them's the butchest mothers I've ever seen.
 
2012-09-15 08:16:08 PM

scottydoesntknow: "They are surrounded by children all day," said owner Diane Vasilakos, confirming that much of the disapproval came from educators. "They don't want to also see them here."

Several parents, in turn, claimed it's not the students that teachers are actually worried about.

"They don't want us to see them drink," said Yuna Weiss, a 44-year-old mother of four. "Some of them get very sloppy."

Gotta side with the teachers on this one. Buy a 12 pack, get your FOUR crotchfruit home and out of areas where adults should be able to relax, and do some parenting...or get drunk, whatever I don't really care.

But moms said they also deserve a place to park their strollers and throw down a couple of cold ones.

There's probably a T.G.I. Friday's down the street, go there. Hell I know some Chuck E. Cheeses sell beer, and you can unload your kids on other people who get paid to deal with it. Don't mess with the bars.

/I have no problem with parents drinking
//I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere


This isn't a question of parents thinking their kids belong everywhere, or agitating to get their kids allowed someplace they're not. This place advertised itself (and still advertises itself) as "family friendly," and originally was limited to 21+ only after 7pm. It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change. If you're going to criticize parents for being pushy about places allowing them to bring their kids, you should at least be consistent and criticize the teachers for being pushy about not allowing kids.

Oh, and there's not a TGI Friday's, Chuck E. Cheese, or much of anything else around this place. Still mostly a residential neighborhood.
 
2012-09-15 08:20:49 PM

El_Perro: This isn't a question of parents thinking their kids belong everywhere, or agitating to get their kids allowed someplace they're not. This place advertised itself (and still advertises itself) as "family friendly," and originally was limited to 21+ only after 7pm. It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change. If you're going to criticize parents for being pushy about places allowing them to bring their kids, you should at least be consistent and criticize the teachers for being pushy about not allowing kids.

Oh, and there's not a TGI Friday's, Chuck E. Cheese, or much of anything else around this place. Still mostly a residential neighborhood.


I'm sorry they won't let you bring your crotch fruit there any more. What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.
 
2012-09-15 08:47:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.


An Applebee's Grows in Brooklyn?
 
2012-09-15 08:50:21 PM

scottydoesntknow: I'm sorry they won't let you bring your crotch fruit there any more. What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.


I could care less about this place, or about who they let in or don't let in (though, it'd be nice if they kept the Staten Island crowd away from the area). I'm just saying that if you're going to criticize people for being pushy about stuff like this, you should at least be consistent about it.
 
2012-09-15 08:52:59 PM

El_Perro: It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change.


Do you know why?

It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.

Teachers spend all day earning peanuts and dealing in a professional manner with children that most people would not spend any length of time with for all the money in the world. The last thing they need is to deal with the same kids AFTER work, too. You need those places to escape from work. And if a beer garden isn't the textbook example of a place they should discourage minors from patronizing I don't know what it.
 
2012-09-15 09:00:14 PM
I don't get it. Why isn't Child Protective Services at the door taking kids away from parents who take their kids to a bar?
 
2012-09-15 09:01:02 PM

El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: I'm sorry they won't let you bring your crotch fruit there any more. What about Applebees? I hear that place has a bar.


I could care less about this place, or about who they let in or don't let in (though, it'd be nice if they kept the Staten Island crowd away from the area). I'm just saying that if you're going to criticize people for being pushy about stuff like this, you should at least be consistent about it.


I am being consistent. I have yet to say the parents are right or deserve to have their kids there. The teachers deserve to have a place to drink and relax and not be surrounded by children. That's an extremely reasonable request, especially for a bar. They aren't denying the parents the privilege to drink. Just don't bring your kids in there with you.
 
2012-09-15 09:01:29 PM

Bullseyed: I don't get it. Why isn't Child Protective Services at the door taking kids away from parents who take their kids to a bar?


why would they do that? We take the little guy to the bar all the time. Granted we sit outside rather than wheeling the stroller up to the taps but there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a few beers in the sun with your kid in tow. Getting hammered is another story
 
2012-09-15 09:01:36 PM
FTFA: "They don't want us to see them drink," said Yuna Weiss, a 44-year-old mother of four. "Some of them get very sloppy."

Is she talking about the kids here?
 
2012-09-15 09:03:32 PM

Coco LaFemme: Entitled white people problems.

Just because YOU love your children doesn't mean the rest of us are going to love them too. When the boyfriend and I go out to locales that aren't necessarily kid-friendly, and we see parents who have dragged younger kids there (under 10).....I wonder what the fark these people are thinking. My dad likes to have a beer or two, but when my sister and I were younger, he would have cut off his own head rather than take us with him to a bar, or a beer garden, or some other place like that.

Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, you snooty coont.


Half the kids in the pictures are asian, black or mexican.

Take your racism elsewhere.
 
2012-09-15 09:07:49 PM
www.shopping-advices.com

Worst beer garden ever
 
2012-09-15 09:09:37 PM
Out here in California and Arizona, crotchfruit aren't allowed in bars.
 
2012-09-15 09:10:10 PM
"I really think it is our obligation as friends to be brutally honest, and be frank with them. Look, I'm sorry, but your baby is f*cking boring."
userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-09-15 09:10:17 PM

Bullseyed: Coco LaFemme: Entitled white people problems.

Just because YOU love your children doesn't mean the rest of us are going to love them too. When the boyfriend and I go out to locales that aren't necessarily kid-friendly, and we see parents who have dragged younger kids there (under 10).....I wonder what the fark these people are thinking. My dad likes to have a beer or two, but when my sister and I were younger, he would have cut off his own head rather than take us with him to a bar, or a beer garden, or some other place like that.

Jesus H. Christ in a chicken basket, you snooty coont.

Half the kids in the pictures are asian, black or mexican.

Take your racism elsewhere.


Your anti-racism offends me. I thought you were a true Democrat...
 
2012-09-15 09:10:45 PM

El_Perro: scottydoesntknow: "They are surrounded by children all day," said owner Diane Vasilakos, confirming that much of the disapproval came from educators. "They don't want to also see them here."

Several parents, in turn, claimed it's not the students that teachers are actually worried about.

"They don't want us to see them drink," said Yuna Weiss, a 44-year-old mother of four. "Some of them get very sloppy."

Gotta side with the teachers on this one. Buy a 12 pack, get your FOUR crotchfruit home and out of areas where adults should be able to relax, and do some parenting...or get drunk, whatever I don't really care.

But moms said they also deserve a place to park their strollers and throw down a couple of cold ones.

There's probably a T.G.I. Friday's down the street, go there. Hell I know some Chuck E. Cheeses sell beer, and you can unload your kids on other people who get paid to deal with it. Don't mess with the bars.

/I have no problem with parents drinking
//I have a problem with parents thinking their kids belong everywhere

This isn't a question of parents thinking their kids belong everywhere, or agitating to get their kids allowed someplace they're not. This place advertised itself (and still advertises itself) as "family friendly," and originally was limited to 21+ only after 7pm. It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change. If you're going to criticize parents for being pushy about places allowing them to bring their kids, you should at least be consistent and criticize the teachers for being pushy about not allowing kids.

Oh, and there's not a TGI Friday's, Chuck E. Cheese, or much of anything else around this place. Still mostly a residential neighborhood.


I've seen way too many stories about teachers receiving shiat for drinking in public and being seen my students (schools saying they have to be perfectly professional 24/7 because it reflects on the school, etc) to be sympathetic.

Until people accept that teachers are human and everyone can agree their life outside of school is irrelevant, let them drink in peace and privacy.
 
2012-09-15 09:12:46 PM
Kids should be banned from all public places after 4pm.
 
2012-09-15 09:12:56 PM

Bullseyed: I don't get it. Why isn't Child Protective Services at the door taking kids away from parents who take their kids to a bar?

 
2012-09-15 09:13:17 PM
Beer gardens are a German idea. Do Germans allow children in beer gardens? Did they ever?

/then again, they probably don't have Brooklyn children to deal with
//or Brooklyn parents
 
2012-09-15 09:13:34 PM

doglover: El_Perro: It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change.

Do you know why?

It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.

Teachers spend all day earning peanuts and dealing in a professional manner with children that most people would not spend any length of time with for all the money in the world. The last thing they need is to deal with the same kids AFTER work, too. You need those places to escape from work. And if a beer garden isn't the textbook example of a place they should discourage minors from patronizing I don't know what it.



I agree, of course they need those places to escape from work. At the same time, parents also need places to socialize and, yes, have a drink or two. This place explicitly advertised itself (and continues to advertise itself) as "family friendly." There are other places in the area that do not (Double Windsor and Farrell's both come to mind, as do plenty of places over in Park Slope itself).

If the situation had been reversed and the stroller crowd had gotten the place to change it's rules to allow parents to bring kids, the teachers would have been justifiably upset about the rule change, and upset that they had lost a place to escape from work. My point is simply that, given the rules that were in place (and, again, the advertising as "family friendly"), these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.

 
2012-09-15 09:14:36 PM
it is a farking BEER garden.
 
2012-09-15 09:15:13 PM
Most likely:


X = amount of money generated by teachers in a kid-free bar between 4 and 7, above value from old policy
Y = amount of money generated by parents with kids in tow in the bar between 4 and 7
Z = absolute value of amount of money projected to be lost due to potential "boycott" by parents upset with the policy

X > (Y + Z)
 
2012-09-15 09:15:23 PM
If you want to go boozing with your girlfriends, then learn to swallow or enjoy anal. It's bad enough listening to idiot 21 year olds, I don't want to listen to your farking 12 year old running around my table.
 
2012-09-15 09:16:03 PM
I guess someone turned up the heat...
[wears sunglasses]
on those snowflakes

YYYEEEEAAAAHHH!

/sorry
 
2012-09-15 09:16:49 PM

CavalierEternal: CreamFilling: Someone is perceptive. Just like when my cable company sends me a bill, it pretty much means they want money.

Or like when I got fired from my job back in April, which pretty much meant that I wasn't allowed to show up there and do work in exchange for money anymore.


Or like when I got set on fire by my ex girlfriend, which pretty much meant she wanted to break up with me.
 
2012-09-15 09:17:05 PM

El_Perro: doglover: El_Perro: It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change.

Do you know why?

It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.

Teachers spend all day earning peanuts and dealing in a professional manner with children that most people would not spend any length of time with for all the money in the world. The last thing they need is to deal with the same kids AFTER work, too. You need those places to escape from work. And if a beer garden isn't the textbook example of a place they should discourage minors from patronizing I don't know what it.


I agree, of course they need those places to escape from work. At the same time, parents also need places to socialize and, yes, have a drink or two. This place explicitly advertised itself (and continues to advertise itself) as "family friendly." There are other places in the area that do not (Double Windsor and Farrell's both come to mind, as do plenty of places over in Park Slope itself).

If the situation had been reversed and the stroller crowd had gotten the place to change it's rules to allow parents to bring kids, the teachers would have been justifiably upset about the rule change, and upset that they had lost a place to escape from work. My point is simply that, given the rules that were in place (and, again, the advertising as "family friendly"), these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.


The difference is they aren't banning any real customers. All parents have to do is HIRE A BABYSITTER. If they can afford to drink at a bar, they can hire a babysitter for an hour or two.
 
2012-09-15 09:18:30 PM
These parents are denying their children a Right of Passage we all once enjoyed. Bars and taverns used to be places with no windows in the door and nifty neon signs on the windows that we kids could only appreciate from afar. "One day," we'd tell ourselves, "One day THIS will be mine!"

Then, when we turned 21 (or 19 in my case), those wooden doors swung wide and I reveled in my passage to adulthood. Before me lay years and years of liquor, beer, wine and women. I had "made it".

These parents are denying their children this joy. They are forcing their young children into premature adulthood. They are just as foul, stupid and selfish as those beauty contest Moms. Parents: let your kids be kids and let adults enjoy adult things. OK? Thanks.
 
2012-09-15 09:18:58 PM
F-duh
 
2012-09-15 09:19:33 PM
Just gonna put this out there: I'm sure that some of the kids of said parents probably feel the exact same way about seeing their teachers in a bar as the teachers feel about the kids. Heck, I'd imagine that unless said kids have their PS3s or what have you in hand, they probably hate the fact that they're not going home after school because mommy needs a drink.

Either way, I'm a single man who doesn't drink much, so I can't really say I see the fascination with bringing kids with you to happy hour (or an approximation thereof). Just seems like the type of place you wouldn't want to be hanging with your kids anyway. They're not showpieces, after all.
 
2012-09-15 09:22:23 PM
I don't want to go drinking where there are kids because they shriek and run around which is not conducive to relaxing.
Parents develop a sort of mental filter that allows them to ignore the shrieking and running and they forget just how truly horrible and irritating it is. I tried to think of something funny to say about this but it isn't funny. Keep your kids out of adult settings, such as fine restaurants, non-matinee movie theaters, bars and yes, beer gardens. I, for my part, will refrain from drinking in the playgrounds and parks where your kids have priority. Deal?
 
2012-09-15 09:23:15 PM

El_Perro: doglover: El_Perro: It was the teachers who complained, made noise, and caused the rule change.

Do you know why?

It's because if the students see the teachers acting like free citizens and having a few drinks, maybe even talking about work, and point them out to the parents, the parents will get on their high horse and be "We can't have these alcoholic monsters in with our precious kids! Cut their salaries! Kill them all!" then those same self important windbags go out to this beer garden, get plastered, and teach their precious little kids that DUI is only wrong when it's not daddy or mommy behind the wheel.

Teachers spend all day earning peanuts and dealing in a professional manner with children that most people would not spend any length of time with for all the money in the world. The last thing they need is to deal with the same kids AFTER work, too. You need those places to escape from work. And if a beer garden isn't the textbook example of a place they should discourage minors from patronizing I don't know what it.


I agree, of course they need those places to escape from work. At the same time, parents also need places to socialize and, yes, have a drink or two. This place explicitly advertised itself (and continues to advertise itself) as "family friendly." There are other places in the area that do not (Double Windsor and Farrell's both come to mind, as do plenty of places over in Park Slope itself).

If the situation had been reversed and the stroller crowd had gotten the place to change it's rules to allow parents to bring kids, the teachers would have been justifiably upset about the rule change, and upset that they had lost a place to escape from work. My point is simply that, given the rules that were in place (and, again, the advertising as "family friendly"), these parents have a point - they've lost their place to go socialize.


So do your drinking and socializing before 4pm, and then leave so that the teachers can also enjoy drinking and socializing.

Unless you're a ninny who feels the need to complain that they can't get their way 24/7, it's a win/win.
 
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