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2012-09-15 10:42:10 PM  

rickycal78: So where are your articles for major gaming publications?


I really hope you're not making the argument that I lack the authority to speak on the topic because I haven't published my work on a visible game site. Lest I get overshadowed by someone like Kotaku writer Luke Plunkett, who argued that you can authoritatively comment on games you played on the easiest difficulty setting. (Which is not to say that you have to beat, master, and perfect every single stage in a game in order to comment on it, but most of the time, if you're playing the game on easy, you're not actually playing the game as it was intended.) The last time someone played the "argument from authority" card with me, it was one of the random salaried StarCraft II players who think your skill at one video game qualifies you to speak on real-time strategy design, and I tore him to shreds.

rickycal78: It's not about whether you like what's popular or not, it's the fact that from what I've seen on this site, you don't seem to like much of anything and get upset when folks enjoy something you don't.


There's three kinds of video game articles which get to the front page on this web site:

- Top X Lists, which we're having a jolly old time discussing right now.
- Popular Game X, and most of those popular games which I usually don't have a positive opinion of.
- Random Nostalgic Crossover Project (whether game, hardware, whatever), which I usually tend to ignore unless the headline implies the creator of the project is a virgin, at which point, I make fun of the submitter.

If an article about Dark Souls, EVE Online, Serious Sam 3, Bayonetta, Vanquish, Uncharted 2: Among Thieves, Dragon's Dogma, or any other number of excellent games came up, I'd have plenty of nice things to say about them. And just going through some recent plays and replays, I enjoyed the hell out of System Shock 2, Armies of Exigo, Command and Conquer: Tiberian Sun, Mega Man 2 and Mega Man 3, and I'm in the middle of playing (and enjoying) a combination of Homeworld, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance, and Crackdown. But it's kind of hard to gush about those games when every other thread is about Call of Duty, The Elder Scrolls games, World of Warcraft, and so forth.
 
2012-09-15 10:45:09 PM  
100 Ys Book I & II
099 Lunar: Eternal Blue
098 Shadow Hearts: Covenant
097 Final Fantasy 8
096 Phantasy Star I
095 Legend of Dragoon
094 Vagrant Story
093 Tales of Phantasia
092 Diablo III
091 Fable II
090 Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4
089 Fallout: New Vegas
088 Final Fantasy 9
087 Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals
086 Shadowrun
085 Breath of Fire III
084 Kingdom Hearts
083 Fire Emblem
082 Might and Magic 6: The Mandate of Heaven
081 Dragon Warrior 7
080 Dungeon Master
079 Icewind Dale 2
078 The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
077 Tales of Symphonia
076 Illusion of Gaia
075 Front Mission 3
074 Wizardry 8 (Geez, this was 2001?)
073 Final Fantasy 1
072 Grandia II
071 The Bard's Tale
070 Demon's Souls
069 Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
068 Kingdom Hearts II
067 Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
066 Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
065 Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
064 Final Fantasy 10
063 Skies of Arcadia
062 The World Ends with You
061 Chrono Cross
060 Eve Online
059 Phatasy Star 4
058 Freedom Force
057 Mass Effect 2
056 Tactics Ogre: Let us Cling Together
055 Monster Hunter Tri
054 Neverwinter Nights 2
053 Ultimate 7: The Black Gate
052 Odin Sphere
051 Wild Arms
050 Golden Sun
049 Dragon Quest 5
048 Tales of Destiny
047 Xenogears
046 Pool of Radiance
045 Disgaea
044 Suikoden II
043 Valkyria Chronicles
042 Lunar: Silver Star Story
041 Xenoblade Chronicles
040 Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen
039 Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss
038 Phantasy Star II
037 Guild Wars
036 Shining Force II
035 Pokemon Black/White
034 Fallout
033 Ultima Online
032 The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind
031 Neverwinter Nights
030 Jade Empire
029 Dragon Warrior
028 Fallout 2
027 Dragon Quest 8
026 Ultima 6: Quest of the Avatar
025 Deus Ex
024 Baldur's Gate
023 Phantasy Star Online
022 The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion (no way Oblivion was better than Morrowind)
021 Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
020 Everquest
019 System Shock 2
018 Dark Souls
017 EarthBound
016 Diablo
015 Secret of Mana
014 Final Fantasy Tactics
013 Planescape: Torment
012 Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
011 Final Fantasy 7
010 Fallout 3
009 Mass Effect
008 World of Warcraft
007 The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim
006 Diablo II
005 Final Fantasy 4
004 Pokemon Red/Blue
003 Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
002 Chrono Trigger
001 Final Fantasy 6
 
2012-09-15 10:45:27 PM  

Mike_LowELL: rickycal78: In other words, you won't voice your opinion for fear of being laughed at and mocked like you do to everyone else. Got it.

Yes, just as I wouldn't portray myself as an expert on computer science, calculus, quantum physics, philosophy, or any number of topics which I am not qualified to speak on, I wouldn't speak to being an expert on a single genre as it's played out in the entire body of computer and video game history. I know and understand a lot of games within that classification, a number of them very, very well. And using what I've learned about those games, I can give you a general, subjective-but-well-argued blueprint for what works in role-playing games. That does not qualify me to rank all of them.


Well there goes my next blog entry on ranking the 20 best theories in physics.
 
2012-09-15 11:06:45 PM  

The Bestest: My list. This list is absolutely correct and all other lists are simply wrong.

1. Chrono Trigger
2. FF6
3. Secret of Mana (Seiken Densetsu 2)
4. Suikoden 2
5. FF4
6. Breath of Fire 2
7. Wild ARMS 2
8. FF Tactics
9. Grandia 2
10. KotOR


Wild Arms 2 FTW
 
2012-09-15 11:29:21 PM  
FFVI and Chrono Trigger were the top two. I'm happy.

Still perturbed that FFX was ranked higher than IX though. *shakes fist*
 
2012-09-15 11:29:33 PM  
Regarding Morrowind and Fallout 3... am I the only one who UTTERLY HATES the auto-leveling those games do with the monsters?

There's just so much satisfaction to be had coming back to a bunch of mobs who kicked your ass at one point and hunting them for sport once you've leveled past them.
 
2012-09-15 11:38:32 PM  

BloodFireDeath: All the people who hate Chrono Cross are blind Chrono Trigger fanboys who wanted an exact copy of CT with the same characters, story, etc, and instead, they got a completely different game with only a few tie ins and references to CT, so the fanboys biatched about it and still do.

The graphics, music, story, music, main characters, combat, etc were all better in CC. The game was a bit more serious and took a bit of a darker tone to the goofy CT.

It's an unpopular opinion, though an unbiased one.


And the side characters had shiat characterization, the game had crap for story direction (There should not have been so many, many cases of "WTF DO I DO" that that game had), double and triple teches were ALL but eliminated (there were.. what, a dozen or so?), and a few really, really good references they could have made, or story hooks they could have expanded upon-

Were never done. (Cannonically/by word of god, Guile is NOT Magus. Thus, Magus/Janus never shows up in the game. At all. In a game that revolves around Schala . It's just... kind of dumb.)

At least in Chrono Trigger, the different characters *actually had different dialogue*. As far as I could tell, Chrono Cross had some sort of.. weird accent filter, as the only thing to alter people's lines? Meaning they'd have the same reaction, just say it slightly differently.
The reason I say this is because I'm pretty farking sure I saw the robot.. cyborg.. guy using the frenchmen's accent at one point.

In some ways, I see parallels to Silent Hill 4: The room. It's like they took an unrelated game and just sorta shoehorned it into the Chrono Trigger chronology. Had it been a game on it's own, it would have been good to mediocre. As a sequel to Chrono Trigger, it doesn't really fit terribly well.

'more people/things dying' does not equal good or even more *serious*. "We dwarves commited genocide of the fairies. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT WE DID THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OUR OWN ACTIONS AFTER BEING ACCIDENTALLY FORCED FROM OUR HOMES. HUMANS SUCK!" is not poignant or serious, it's farking stupid. It's possible to do a serious or even introspective story (Tales of Symphonia, for instance, which has some very nice character development).

Its not that the main characters aren't their that bugs me. (Though the fact that they really never have Magus show up kinda bugged the crap out of me.). It's everything else. Including the removal of the dual/triple tech system, which was one of the things that made character selection in Chrono Trigger interesting, since it altered what you could do with the party. In Chrono Cross.. what reason, exactly, is for there for ME CHA to CHA TAKE CAH the CHA guy over the cyborg over the frenchment over the wow so many of these characters were totally forgetable.

However, perhaps it's because we value different things? I'm really, really big on character development, learning more about the characters, seeing how they interact. I find that interesting.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:35 PM  

fusillade762: Regarding Morrowind and Fallout 3... am I the only one who UTTERLY HATES the auto-leveling those games do with the monsters?

There's just so much satisfaction to be had coming back to a bunch of mobs who kicked your ass at one point and hunting them for sport once you've leveled past them.


Uuuuuhhh... Morrowind doesn't have auto leveling. *Oblivion* did. But Morrowind didn't have any, to my knowledge.

Morrowind had areas (especially if you installed the expansion), that if you went to, monsters sort of went "I'M A BEAR!" *FACERAPE* and you died.
 
2012-09-15 11:40:30 PM  
I see Disgaea and Odin Sphere made the list, but no Phantom Brave or La Pucelle Tactics. Oh well, 2/4 isn't bad. Don't know what it is about those games, maybe the inline humor, but I love those games. Having the worlds collide within some of the games was cool too, like fighting Priere in Disgaea 2.
 
2012-09-15 11:41:08 PM  
Oh I forgot Makai Kingdom to the list. So 2/5 I guess.
 
2012-09-15 11:47:12 PM  

doglover: buckler: If it hasn't been said, I thought these were going to be tabletop RPG's. Never mind.

D&D
Shadowrun
Vampire

In that order. After that... it gets hairy trying to choose.


Friends and I had quite a lot of fun with (in no particular order) Traveller, Chivalry & Sorcery, Space Opera and Cyberpunk.
 
2012-09-15 11:50:05 PM  
I'm sorry, what was this list about again? Computer games? That's not what I thought of when I read the title...

img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk
 
2012-09-15 11:58:47 PM  
Sorry, Oblivion does not deserve to be on this list. Morrowind was a vastly superior game in all ways, as was Skyrim. Oblivion was bugged, had minimal story of interest aside from the main quest, the dungeons were tedious, and level balance was terrible. What did this do well? Sorry, but if you are on an RPG list, you either have to have a great story, great characters, or a great character building system, and this had the opposite.

And where the f*ck is New Horizons? Or Dragon Force? Haven't played New Horizons? Go emulate it.

Otherwise, I basically agree with the list, though perhaps not the order and the wayward title or two I don't feel the need to replace.
 
2012-09-16 12:11:14 AM  
Evidently, geeks who play computer RPGs are such shut-ins that they don't even know about the world of non-computer RPGs.
 
2012-09-16 12:12:15 AM  

doglover: naughtyrev: FFVIII really deserved more love

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Coming out of nowhere, FF8 is a decent playable game. Coming off of FF6 and FF7 with Dragon Quests 1-6, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, and several other decent games as competition? FF8 was like a handful of change at the bottom of a shiatty rest area toilet. Sure... there's some good there. But it's not worth reaching into the shiat to pull it out.


Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.
 
2012-09-16 12:16:23 AM  

Dimensio: Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.


Same for me. Every word.
By disc 3 I was just.. exhausted with the game.
 
2012-09-16 12:21:52 AM  
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/Go for the eyes, Boo!
 
2012-09-16 12:30:56 AM  

Felgraf: Morrowind had areas (especially if you installed the expansion), that if you went to, monsters sort of went "I'M A BEAR an Alit!" *FACERAPE* and you died.


An early one to get killed in was the Ebony mine on the east side of the river on the way to Balmora from Seyda Neen.

Oh sweet, ebony ore everywhere.
What's that, I can't move because it weighs a shiat tonne?
Oh fine, I'll just walk really slowl-
Wait, what was that?
AH, FIERY DEATH, PUT IT OUT, PUT IT OU-
THUD.
 
2012-09-16 12:31:14 AM  

The Bestest: Dimensio: Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.

Same for me. Every word.
By disc 3 I was just.. exhausted with the game.


The goofy ass story is what made me see it through.
 
2012-09-16 12:34:38 AM  

GriffXX: [upload.wikimedia.org image 304x480]
/Go for the eyes, Boo!


members.iglou.com

Minsc misses his little Boo!

/Obscure?
 
2012-09-16 12:35:22 AM  

Dimensio: doglover: naughtyrev: FFVIII really deserved more love

[pinkie.ponychan.net image 640x582] 

Coming out of nowhere, FF8 is a decent playable game. Coming off of FF6 and FF7 with Dragon Quests 1-6, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, and several other decent games as competition? FF8 was like a handful of change at the bottom of a shiatty rest area toilet. Sure... there's some good there. But it's not worth reaching into the shiat to pull it out.

Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.


I think FF7 and especially FF8 could've been helped out a lot by shorter load times. FF8 had such long load times on the PSX that it really couldn't build any rhythm to allow you to get in to the game.

I thought it handled limit breaks better, though, even if the magic system was pretty clunky.
 
2012-09-16 12:37:17 AM  

Summoner101: Dimensio: doglover: naughtyrev: FFVIII really deserved more love

[pinkie.ponychan.net image 640x582] 

Coming out of nowhere, FF8 is a decent playable game. Coming off of FF6 and FF7 with Dragon Quests 1-6, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, and several other decent games as competition? FF8 was like a handful of change at the bottom of a shiatty rest area toilet. Sure... there's some good there. But it's not worth reaching into the shiat to pull it out.

Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.

I think FF7 and especially FF8 could've been helped out a lot by shorter load times. FF8 had such long load times on the PSX that it really couldn't build any rhythm to allow you to get in to the game.

I thought it handled limit breaks better, though, even if the magic system was pretty clunky.


Final Fantasy 8's story was too boring to compel me. Shorter load times would not improve that aspect.

/I enjoyed a repeat playthrough of Final Fantasy 9 on my PSP not long ago.
 
2012-09-16 12:38:33 AM  
FF7 is so over rated it isn't even funny
 
2012-09-16 12:59:55 AM  
For people arguing that the list is bad (and game lists in general) because you can't objectively compare rpgs as a genre because in the case of many individual pairings it's practically a comparison of apples to the theory of relativity, stop looking at it with such a narrow focus. This list cuts across individual mechanics, themes, and even genre-crossovers and ranks the games based on how enjoyable and progressive they were when they were released, and what kind of impact they've had on the industry since. There's a few entries on this list that I disagree with strongly, but there's quite a few games I absolutely loved, and a few I may have to track down copies of. I'm perfectly capable of accepting that my tastes differ from the author's, and that both their opinion and mine are valid.

No game ever has been, and hopefully no game ever will be perfect. If a perfect game ever IS created, then nothing new will ever follow after to stand on its shoulders and continue to innovate.
 
2012-09-16 01:05:35 AM  
The Bard's Tale and the Bard's Tale 2: Destiny Knight ftw. Really. Yes they are totally awesome in all their glorious 16 colour,8 sounds brilliance. Wasted hundreds of hours on them.
 
2012-09-16 01:11:13 AM  

Dimensio: GriffXX: [upload.wikimedia.org image 304x480]
/Go for the eyes, Boo!

[members.iglou.com image 110x170]

Minsc misses his little Boo!

/Obscure?

And now to blow your minds:

Minsc's Voice actor?

Yeah, he's basically almost every other voice from your childhood, too. Winnie the Pooh, Montery Jack, Pete (at least as early as Goof Troop, and later in Kingdom Hearts), Darkwing Duck, Lurch, Morroco Mole, Bonkers D. Bobcat, *ROBOTNIK* (from the dark, Sat-AM one), Taz....

Behold, the glory of Jim Cummings

/Even more awesome, he apparently calls up sick children in the hospital in his spare time. In-character as Winnie the Pooh.
//If any nerdy friend of mine gets sick, I'll see if I can get him to call them as Minsc, because THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.
 
2012-09-16 01:22:04 AM  
Mine, if anyone cares, because this IGN list sucks metric tons of dick:

1. BG2
2.BG1
3. ME2
4. Planescape: Torment
5. Morrowind
6.Final Fantasy 7 (first one I ever played).
7. Fallout 2
8. Fallout 3
9. Fallout 1
10.Deus Ex
 
2012-09-16 01:25:23 AM  
SW:KOTOR is overrated - though it's probably because I tried to play it recently, on modern gear, with far too much to compare it against and no nostalgia trip to draw on. Clunky interface, weak gameplay; 'classic' or no, I couldn't make it through the first hour of game time.

I love RPGs and wanted it to be the experience everybody else seems to have had. Alas, it was shiat.
 
2012-09-16 01:29:35 AM  

Arumat: For people arguing that the list is bad (and game lists in general) because you can't objectively compare rpgs as a genre because in the case of many individual pairings it's practically a comparison of apples to the theory of relativity, stop looking at it with such a narrow focus. This list cuts across individual mechanics, themes, and even genre-crossovers and ranks the games based on how enjoyable and progressive they were when they were released, and what kind of impact they've had on the industry since. There's a few entries on this list that I disagree with strongly, but there's quite a few games I absolutely loved, and a few I may have to track down copies of. I'm perfectly capable of accepting that my tastes differ from the author's, and that both their opinion and mine are valid.

No game ever has been, and hopefully no game ever will be perfect. If a perfect game ever IS created, then nothing new will ever follow after to stand on its shoulders and continue to innovate.


Nope, I completely understand that the list takes those things into account, however there are several titles where the placement of the list makes no sense for any given metric. Even going by the standards you speak of, Odin Sphere does not make sense to be 40 game above Witcher 2. The placement of games makes no logical sense even with the idea of historical, mechanical, popularity or impact.

Because the placement of the list has no metric that makes sense, it's not a list of the 100 best RPG games, it's merely a list of a hundred RPG games. My taste may differ from the authors, however there is no ranking system that where the rankings make sense. Fallout New Vegas is a fun game, but it did nothing to push the genre, it is not historically relevant, mechanically it was flawed as all hell, thematically it followed prior games, however it is held with higher weight on the list than something like Shadow Hearts: Covenant, while not historically relevant, mechanically and thematically it was superior to New Vegas (meaning it didn't glitch and it was thematically unique compared to the rest of the genre).

Again, my disagreement with the list is not with having a difference of opinion with the author, but with a disagreeing with how he presented the list. If you present a list of the best, then there should be solid reasoning behind the ranking, so that even if I disagree with the list I can point out why I disagree with it.
 
2012-09-16 01:40:41 AM  

Wingchild: SW:KOTOR is overrated - though it's probably because I tried to play it recently, on modern gear, with far too much to compare it against and no nostalgia trip to draw on. Clunky interface, weak gameplay; 'classic' or no, I couldn't make it through the first hour of game time.

I love RPGs and wanted it to be the experience everybody else seems to have had. Alas, it was shiat.


So play Dragon Age 1. It basically took everything mechanics-wise from KOTOR and improved on a few of them.
 
2012-09-16 01:43:00 AM  
Anyone on here played any of the rpg indie games on XBL? I'm currently playing 'Cthulhu Saves the World' and i find it fun and entertaining.
 
2012-09-16 01:56:48 AM  

DicksWii: Anyone on here played any of the rpg indie games on XBL? I'm currently playing 'Cthulhu Saves the World' and i find it fun and entertaining.


The guy who made that is great, he also did Breath of Death, and the recent Penny Arcade RPG, which is also available on XBLIG. There are some good games on the service, you just have to sift through the complete garbage.
 
2012-09-16 01:59:47 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: DicksWii: Anyone on here played any of the rpg indie games on XBL? I'm currently playing 'Cthulhu Saves the World' and i find it fun and entertaining.

The guy who made that is great, he also did Breath of Death, and the recent Penny Arcade RPG, which is also available on XBLIG. There are some good games on the service, you just have to sift through the complete garbage.


I had just finished 'Breath of Death 7'! I love these games so far.
 
2012-09-16 02:16:40 AM  
 
2012-09-16 02:19:19 AM  
No love for Final Fantasy 5? That one is leagues better than 7 & 8.

/Least Skies of Arcadia ranked.
//Hope HD remake rumor is true.
 
2012-09-16 02:20:04 AM  
I would almost call this an RPG. Anyway, still one of the most fun games ever.

files.g4tv.com
 
2012-09-16 02:23:03 AM  

Wingchild: SW:KOTOR is overrated - though it's probably because I tried to play it recently, on modern gear, with far too much to compare it against and no nostalgia trip to draw on. Clunky interface, weak gameplay; 'classic' or no, I couldn't make it through the first hour of game time.

I love RPGs and wanted it to be the experience everybody else seems to have had. Alas, it was shiat.


Like, well, almost every RPG - the first hour is basic stupid stuff to get used to the game. In KotoR there were only a few interesting things on Taris - a real snooze until you start spending quality time with Mission. Try it again.

Now the sequel, produced by Obsidian, was outstanding in the middle. It had the usual slow start at the beginning to learn everything - with a few surprises. Then it slowed down a bit on the orbiting platform. After that is was outstanding. The end was a rushed letdown, but after you finish it look up what people found hidden in the game. If it had been ended the original was it would have been legendary. Hell, I don't know why they just didn't do it right. Anyway, the voice work is still in the game and the various things that could happen to your team is shocking.
 
2012-09-16 02:34:06 AM  
People really thought System Shock 2 was superior to System Shock 1?
 
2012-09-16 02:37:00 AM  
Bah!

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2012-09-16 02:37:06 AM  

Methadone Girls: So these are video game RPG's.

No Shadowrun? Pathfinder?

I'm going home and taking my dice with me.


Shadowrun's on there.
 
2012-09-16 02:41:47 AM  
1. Final Fantasy IV SNES
2. Final Fantasy IV PSX
3. Final Fantasy IV GBA
4. Final Fantasy IV DS
5. Final Fantasy IV Whatever new farking version they can remake it to next
6. Dino Riki
 
2012-09-16 02:43:47 AM  

BloodFireDeath: Also, Chrono Cross was better than Chrono Trigger in EVERY possible way. In fact, CT might just be the most overrated rpg in history. It really didn't do anything new, most of the story was pretty bad, it had really goofy characters, etc.


I don't know that I'd go that far, but I actually enjoyed Chrono Cross more than Chrono Trigger, as well. I like CT just fine, though.
 
2012-09-16 03:03:19 AM  

Andric: BloodFireDeath: Also, Chrono Cross was better than Chrono Trigger in EVERY possible way. In fact, CT might just be the most overrated rpg in history. It really didn't do anything new, most of the story was pretty bad, it had really goofy characters, etc.

I don't know that I'd go that far, but I actually enjoyed Chrono Cross more than Chrono Trigger, as well. I like CT just fine, though.


I enjoyed playing Chrono Cross, but the story of the game is more convoluted than is the plot of Metal Gear Solid 2.

/I should consider loading Chrono Cross onto my PSP.
//I do not know how I will address the disc change, however.
 
2012-09-16 03:29:56 AM  
This list is a load of shiat. No Wasteland.No System Shock. Inclusion of a Pokemon title in the top 10.

We need to find this guy and make him eat a bag of dicks for trolling the internet so badly.
 
2012-09-16 03:30:33 AM  

Felgraf: Dimensio: GriffXX: [upload.wikimedia.org image 304x480]
/Go for the eyes, Boo!

[members.iglou.com image 110x170]

Minsc misses his little Boo!

/Obscure?
And now to blow your minds:

Minsc's Voice actor?

Yeah, he's basically almost every other voice from your childhood, too. Winnie the Pooh, Montery Jack, Pete (at least as early as Goof Troop, and later in Kingdom Hearts), Darkwing Duck, Lurch, Morroco Mole, Bonkers D. Bobcat, *ROBOTNIK* (from the dark, Sat-AM one), Taz....

Behold, the glory of Jim Cummings

/Even more awesome, he apparently calls up sick children in the hospital in his spare time. In-character as Winnie the Pooh.
//If any nerdy friend of mine gets sick, I'll see if I can get him to call them as Minsc, because THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.


That is so awesome.
 
2012-09-16 03:34:21 AM  

Dimensio: Summoner101: Dimensio: doglover: naughtyrev: FFVIII really deserved more love

[pinkie.ponychan.net image 640x582] 

Coming out of nowhere, FF8 is a decent playable game. Coming off of FF6 and FF7 with Dragon Quests 1-6, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, and several other decent games as competition? FF8 was like a handful of change at the bottom of a shiatty rest area toilet. Sure... there's some good there. But it's not worth reaching into the shiat to pull it out.

Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.

I think FF7 and especially FF8 could've been helped out a lot by shorter load times. FF8 had such long load times on the PSX that it really couldn't build any rhythm to allow you to get in to the game.

I thought it handled limit breaks better, though, even if the magic system was pretty clunky.

Final Fantasy 8's story was too boring to compel me. Shorter load times would not improve that aspect.

/I enjoyed a repeat playthrough of Final Fantasy 9 on my PSP not long ago.


Most of the people I've met who didn't like FF8 were, to be really frank, quite a bit too stupid to follow the story. I'm not going to make a judgement call about you or anything, but just saying.
 
2012-09-16 03:41:06 AM  

TwistedFark: Dimensio: Summoner101: Dimensio: doglover: naughtyrev: FFVIII really deserved more love

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Coming out of nowhere, FF8 is a decent playable game. Coming off of FF6 and FF7 with Dragon Quests 1-6, Breath of Fire 3 and 4, and several other decent games as competition? FF8 was like a handful of change at the bottom of a shiatty rest area toilet. Sure... there's some good there. But it's not worth reaching into the shiat to pull it out.

Final Fantasy VIII was the first Final Fantasy game that I played that I was unable to complete. It remains the only Final Fantasy game that I have played that I have not completed. The game story and gameplay proved too boring to compel me to continue.

I think FF7 and especially FF8 could've been helped out a lot by shorter load times. FF8 had such long load times on the PSX that it really couldn't build any rhythm to allow you to get in to the game.

I thought it handled limit breaks better, though, even if the magic system was pretty clunky.

Final Fantasy 8's story was too boring to compel me. Shorter load times would not improve that aspect.

/I enjoyed a repeat playthrough of Final Fantasy 9 on my PSP not long ago.

Most of the people I've met who didn't like FF8 were, to be really frank, quite a bit too stupid to follow the story. I'm not going to make a judgement call about you or anything, but just saying.


I understood the story, to the extent that I played the game. I simply did not care.
 
2012-09-16 04:06:41 AM  

The Incredible Sexual Egg: Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, despite its flaws, is my favorite RPG of all time



/Followed very closely by Fallout 3


Played through as a Malkavian it is true art indeed.
 
2012-09-16 04:08:01 AM  
So, I'm going to have to say it. The old mid to late 90s games were good, they really were, but if you're putting things like Fallout 1 or 2 above 3, you're fooling yourself, or you're doing the whole game hipster thing, where you can't like a game because it is popular now. Most of the big modern RPGs are VASTLY better games than all of the older stuff. Note that I didn't just say story. For example, Morrowind has a way better story than Oblivion and Skryim. But it is NOT a better game. It *was* a better game for its generation than Oblivion was for its. It isn't really even comparable to Skryim.

The truth is, if a developer put out a game like Morrowind today... or Fallout 1 or 2, or even beloved classics like FF6 and 7, or Chronotrigger... you and everyone would pan it, call it trash, and you'd be right to do so.

The stories were good, the characters were mostly ok, but there is no comparison in actual quality or actual fun offered to most modern games.

That you remember having an amazing time with FF1 was because you were younge and had amazingly low expectations. If you have fun with it now (which, more power to you), it is almost certainly in a more casual and nostalgic sense.

I LOVED to a ridiculous amount FF6, Chronotrigger, Secret of Mana, and the like. And I was kinda indifferent to Mass Effect. And FF6 et al were hundreds of times better games for their era than the Mass Effect series is today.

But the sad truth is that the Mass Effect series are straight better games.

Remembered affection for a game and the actual quality of that game are vastly different things.

/That being said, FF6/7 are by far the best of the FF serires. But that just goes to show how much the recent ones have sucked, sadly.
//6 would also probably make my top 10 list, though barely.

Note that I am not saying that better graphics = better game. Though it would be silly to say that doesn't affect thigns. I'm just saying that gaming has gotten better.
 
2012-09-16 04:12:20 AM  
vwarb
A 100 page slideshow that reloads the whole page every time AND deslide can't parse it?


A bit late, but better than never: It can parse it now.
deslided 


Also, English-centered list fails without "Ambermoon".
Some really cool ideas in that game.
 
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