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(Duluth News Tribune)   Two small-town cops, two new hopped-up squad cars and one empty airport runway. Let the bad decisions begin   (duluthnewstribune.com) divider line 93
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2012-09-15 03:49:04 PM
Cops get away with cold blooded murder and various other crimes on a daily basis in this country.

But yes, lets get outraged over them safely playing with a new toy.
 
2012-09-15 03:58:30 PM
Ely told the paper that he did not know who won the race, or how fast the squad cars went.

Liar :)
 
2012-09-15 05:12:29 PM
Mother of God.
 
2012-09-15 06:45:47 PM
Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU
 
2012-09-15 06:49:26 PM
Members of the Houston County Board are asking why a sheriff's deputy was not disciplined for drag racing his squad car while on the job.

Do we even need the rest of the article? Cops apply the rules, they never get them applied to them. The police are completely immune from any consequences of their actions. It's why you cannot trust the police in this country.
 
2012-09-15 07:05:43 PM
The Caledonia officer, who has not been named by the department, was suspended for a month when superiors learned what happened.

20 e-pride points says it's a paid suspension.
 
2012-09-15 07:20:33 PM
johndotorgslashblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-15 07:31:03 PM
How did they get the squad cars drunk?
 
2012-09-15 08:46:00 PM

xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU


Riiiiight. It's not like they were misusing taxpayer dollars, and endagering tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment - NEW Equipment - none the less, by acting like teenagers after the football game. And it's not like it would have been considered a line of duty injury which the taxpayers would have had to foot the bill had they wrecked.

If you want to drag, do it on your own dime, and in your own vehicle. And don't make your police department look like a bunch of idiots.
 
2012-09-15 08:49:11 PM

BronyMedic: xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU

Riiiiight. It's not like they were misusing taxpayer dollars, and endagering tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment - NEW Equipment - none the less, by acting like teenagers after the football game. And it's not like it would have been considered a line of duty injury which the taxpayers would have had to foot the bill had they wrecked.

If you want to drag, do it on your own dime, and in your own vehicle. And don't make your police department look like a bunch of idiots.


I think it's a requirement to have Ringo Starr in the squad car, too.
 
2012-09-15 08:52:40 PM

thamike: BronyMedic: xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU

Riiiiight. It's not like they were misusing taxpayer dollars, and endagering tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment - NEW Equipment - none the less, by acting like teenagers after the football game. And it's not like it would have been considered a line of duty injury which the taxpayers would have had to foot the bill had they wrecked.

If you want to drag, do it on your own dime, and in your own vehicle. And don't make your police department look like a bunch of idiots.

I think it's a requirement to have Ringo Starr in the squad car, too.


Yeah, but he's high on acid, and he thinks it's a Yellow Submarine he's actually in. You should hear him when he bangs his silver hammer though. Clang clang!
 
2012-09-15 09:33:16 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: BronyMedic: xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU

Riiiiight. It's not like they were misusing taxpayer dollars, and endagering tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment - NEW Equipment - none the less, by acting like teenagers after the football game. And it's not like it would have been considered a line of duty injury which the taxpayers would have had to foot the bill had they wrecked.

If you want to drag, do it on your own dime, and in your own vehicle. And don't make your police department look like a bunch of idiots.

I think it's a requirement to have Ringo Starr in the squad car, too.

Yeah, but he's high on acid, and he thinks it's a Yellow Submarine he's actually in. You should hear him when he bangs his silver hammer though. Clang clang!



Also has a hole in his pocket.
 
2012-09-15 09:35:13 PM
This is just training. They have to go to the range and squeeze off rounds so they can be proficient at handling their weapons so why not drive down a flat straight obstacless paved surface so they can better hsndle their cars?
 
2012-09-15 09:37:12 PM

PainInTheASP: Mother of God.


cdn.overclock.net

/hot
 
2012-09-15 09:38:23 PM

xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU


I'd like to see how this argument works out when you get pulled over by cops for speeding.
 
2012-09-15 09:39:14 PM
Hey at least they picked the used runway as opposed to some empty stretch of highway.

Honestly a lot of PDs could avoid a lot of problems if they rented road course and let the cops drive their cars. Some major PDs don't even test their own vehicles, for example my understanding is Chicago PD heavily relies on the Michigan State Police testing to decide what they buy. They just go download the MSP test results (they're on the MSP website as a PDF if you're bored) and base it on that. So basically you're handing out rather fast vehicles and saying "Here you go, but never floor the pedal on it."

/plus I'd rather find out the dumbass can't drive when he plows into a barrier on the track as opposed to a schoolbus
 
2012-09-15 09:39:40 PM
Where they on a runway where a plane might have tried to land and not seen them until it was too late?

If there was ATC at this airport, were they complicit?
 
2012-09-15 09:39:44 PM

GAT_00: Members of the Houston County Board are asking why a sheriff's deputy was not disciplined for drag racing his squad car while on the job.

Do we even need the rest of the article? Cops apply the rules, they never get them applied to them. The police are completely immune from any consequences of their actions. It's why you cannot trust the police in this country.


Actually you do need to read the article. The city cop was suspended without pay for 30 days.
 
2012-09-15 09:40:12 PM
Is anyone really suprised?

Everyone knows that when cops get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy.
 
2012-09-15 09:40:35 PM

traylor: xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU

I'd like to see how this argument works out when you get pulled over by cops for speeding.


Here's the difference...they were racing on a runway at a county airport. Somebody pulled over for speeding is usually on a highway with other traffic.

/Not the brightest tools in the shed, but at least they weren't racing on a roadway.
 
2012-09-15 09:40:44 PM

BronyMedic: thamike: BronyMedic: xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU

Riiiiight. It's not like they were misusing taxpayer dollars, and endagering tens of thousands of dollars worth of equipment - NEW Equipment - none the less, by acting like teenagers after the football game. And it's not like it would have been considered a line of duty injury which the taxpayers would have had to foot the bill had they wrecked.

If you want to drag, do it on your own dime, and in your own vehicle. And don't make your police department look like a bunch of idiots.

I think it's a requirement to have Ringo Starr in the squad car, too.

Yeah, but he's high on acid, and he thinks it's a Yellow Submarine he's actually in. You should hear him when he bangs his silver hammer though. Clang clang!


I thought it was Steve Martin's silver hammer?

forgottenfilmcast.files.wordpress.com


/hot
 
2012-09-15 09:41:57 PM

Benjimin_Dover: This is just training. They have to go to the range and squeeze off rounds so they can be proficient at handling their weapons so why not drive down a flat straight obstacless paved surface so they can better hsndle their cars?


Came here to say this. They do need to get a feel for their cars at high speed.
 
2012-09-15 09:44:58 PM

You Cant Explain That: Cops get away with cold blooded murder and various other crimes on a daily basis in this country.

But yes, lets get outraged over them safely playing with a new toy.


I don't think the FAA or Homeland Security would see it the same way.
 
2012-09-15 09:45:44 PM
A couple of cops acting responsible in a controlled environment testing equipment to see how it reacts doing what it was designed to.

/Pretty smart unless I am missing details.
 
2012-09-15 09:46:46 PM

ha-ha-guy: Hey at least they picked the used runway as opposed to some empty stretch of highway.

Honestly a lot of PDs could avoid a lot of problems if they rented road course and let the cops drive their cars. Some major PDs don't even test their own vehicles, for example my understanding is Chicago PD heavily relies on the Michigan State Police testing to decide what they buy. They just go download the MSP test results (they're on the MSP website as a PDF if you're bored) and base it on that. So basically you're handing out rather fast vehicles and saying "Here you go, but never floor the pedal on it."

/plus I'd rather find out the dumbass can't drive when he plows into a barrier on the track as opposed to a schoolbus


I seem to recall hearing about the police somewhere hosting races at a track. They'd invite teenagers to race against them. Besides the practice it also demonstrated to the teens that their hot rods were no match for police cars.
 
2012-09-15 09:48:37 PM

xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU


This. And they can't really use the equipment if they don'y know what it's capable of.
 
2012-09-15 09:52:38 PM
They should be suspended without pay meow.
 
2012-09-15 09:53:27 PM
Heh, I learned to drive on an airport runway, so... Kick, getting one.
 
2012-09-15 09:53:48 PM
Yeah not seeing anything to be outraged about. I've been a bigger danger just on my permit while on back roads learning to drive.
 
2012-09-15 09:55:08 PM
Really? Of all the valid things to actually bag on cops for...this?
 
2012-09-15 09:56:06 PM

xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU


Listen meow, they could have wrecked that new equipment. They just lucked out.
 
2012-09-15 09:56:42 PM

fusillade762: ha-ha-guy: Hey at least they picked the used runway as opposed to some empty stretch of highway.

Honestly a lot of PDs could avoid a lot of problems if they rented road course and let the cops drive their cars. Some major PDs don't even test their own vehicles, for example my understanding is Chicago PD heavily relies on the Michigan State Police testing to decide what they buy. They just go download the MSP test results (they're on the MSP website as a PDF if you're bored) and base it on that. So basically you're handing out rather fast vehicles and saying "Here you go, but never floor the pedal on it."

/plus I'd rather find out the dumbass can't drive when he plows into a barrier on the track as opposed to a schoolbus

I seem to recall hearing about the police somewhere hosting races at a track. They'd invite teenagers to race against them. Besides the practice it also demonstrated to the teens that their hot rods were no match for police cars.


Based on anecdotal evidence in terms of selling to police, some departments (mostly state police and sheriff units in wealthier counties) do spend time and money training their guys how to drive. Other units tend just to hand out the cars and do whatever the minimum for driving training is, which can sometimes be nothing or a couple hours of DVD watching. The guys who get bare bones training tend to sneak out at night, block off a stretch of road, slip onto a track, or otherwise 'test drive' their cruisers. A lot of times everyone knows this is happening, but they figure laying a bit of rubber at night is cheaper than formal training and people look the other way. Then next thing you know we're getting an Impala back after someone nailed a deer at 105 mph out in the country and suddenly it turns out renting the damn track would have been cheaper than dealing with the aftermath of a deer strike on a cruiser and a cop in the hospital.

So why I do see why people would by angry at these cops, if you give them equipment and don't give them training, you can't exactly get outraged when they find ways to test to it.

/or it could be both departments pay for regular testing and these two guys are just dicks
 
2012-09-15 09:58:51 PM
I don't actually have much of a problem with what they did. A professional driver has to understand, intimately, what their car will (and won't) do under load. More so if you're expected to be able to handle unusual emergency situations. If their race wasn't sanctioned, it sure as hell should have been.
 
2012-09-15 10:01:09 PM
heroes, every damn one of them
 
2012-09-15 10:02:14 PM
Link to airport info

For those wondering about the airport itself, it's a single-runway with no tower. But it's open to the public and has 100ll. And yes, there could have been a small airplane landing during this drag race.

/The Houston County commissioners are a bunch of wimps.
 
2012-09-15 10:05:07 PM
There's a Top Gear joke in here somewhere...
 
2012-09-15 10:07:47 PM
There is a question out there many of you are pondering.

Why do some police officers get to tase 80 year old grandmas without a deadly weapon, have people commit suicide while handcuffed in the back of a squad car, allow people to bleed out for 1.5 hours while 'securing the scene' and other serious issues? Then maybe the officers involved get put on desk duty while is issue is looked into for 30 to 120 days.

While others have officers gets suspended for thirty days for simple misdemeanor conduct that could be considered within their job functions not directly breaching the public trust?

The only thing I can figure out is departments differ by city and sometimes zero tolerance works to keep the assholes from tasing your demented grandma and holding a gun to the temple of a drunken asshole while handcuffed in the back of a squad car.

But zero tolerance does not work. Punish hard what needs to be punished hard, throw those charges around that deserve it. Recognize the behavior that deserves special treatment.

Stupidity is stupid.
 
2012-09-15 10:09:58 PM
As someone who's almost been hit by a cop driving way too fast for no reason on two separate occasions, I can only say it's a shame that these two drag-racing idiots didn't lose control of their cars and kill themselves.
 
2012-09-15 10:10:04 PM

MooseUpNorth: I don't actually have much of a problem with what they did. A professional driver has to understand, intimately, what their car will (and won't) do under load. More so if you're expected to be able to handle unusual emergency situations. If their race wasn't sanctioned, it sure as hell should have been.


Cops not understanding what their boats couldn't handle gave us some of the best photos and stories in the Crown Vic days - even more so when a department added Mustangs for lulz. The move to Chargers has put some serious crimp on that, since they can actually steer while in motion (without having to drift).

/Some time after Initial D got popular, I got invited to watch a track session in San Jose where a couple of cops showed off their drifting skills. Ah, the memories of working at a newspaper...
 
2012-09-15 10:11:14 PM
MN, once again, barely registers on the crazy meter.

/That's why I live here
 
2012-09-15 10:12:43 PM

srtpointman: GAT_00: Members of the Houston County Board are asking why a sheriff's deputy was not disciplined for drag racing his squad car while on the job.

Do we even need the rest of the article? Cops apply the rules, they never get them applied to them. The police are completely immune from any consequences of their actions. It's why you cannot trust the police in this country.

Actually you do need to read the article. The city cop was suspended without pay for 30 days.


Ooh, 30 days without pay. Tell me, what's happens to anyone who isn't a cop who gets caught drag racing?
 
2012-09-15 10:15:01 PM
... but, who held their beer and watched?

Incomplete article is incomplete.
 
2012-09-15 10:17:09 PM
Although I'm sure they had better things to do, I think getting a new squad car and racing it against another car to see which is faster can be information that could conceivably come in handy. Maybe.

I wouldn't go overboard on the discipline in this case.
 
2012-09-15 10:19:21 PM
foxyshadis
Cops not understanding what their boats couldn't handle gave us some of the best photos and stories in the Crown Vic days - even more so when a department added Mustangs for lulz. The move to Chargers has put some serious crimp on that, since they can actually steer while in motion (without having to drift).


I am aware the American companies have stopped production of some of the classic police cruisers. Also an interceptor can be necessary on the highway.

But giving cops muscle cars as standard issue is a huge mistake.
1-They cost too much for standard traffic enforcement in the city.
2-More important, showing challengers in black and white is giving this sexy image to a job that should be professional and neutral. They should not be making police into badasses in muscle cars.
 
2012-09-15 10:19:37 PM
Ehhh was it stupid and something that should have not happened? Yep - duh. Does it rate formal discipline or not? Hell if I know, depends on the sheriff out there. Trust me some guys would far rather see a writeup than a "little informal chat" with their commander. Now if he said "shiat Henry stop getting caught, now did ya win?" for starters I'd have a problem. For all we know he opened up with "Do anything that farking dumb again boy it's your ass you hear me you dumb son of a biatch."

If it was the latter, which it may well have been - y'know I'm ok with a certain lack of "formal" discipline. PD's work down from the top. If the person in charge is decent, it's liable to be a pretty decent force, regardless of the format discipline takes. If not, it's not gonna be a good force, regardless of the form the discipline takes.

Look at the sheriff, look at what he's done, look at the record and the relationship with the people down there. If it's good, let it ride as long as it doesn't keep happening - he handled it. If it's not, then change needs to come from the top - not from formalizing stuff that won't matter anyway under a chief that doesn't give a flying fark.

Nope, not a cop farker, not a groupie, not in love with what's done under the badge a lot of the time - but a stupid decision to get testosterone-ish in a reasonably safe environment, and whether or not it was a formal write up? Shiat there's a lot more to worry about, let's the people down there focus on how the whole deal is tween the cops and civvies, and if need be take action to get a new butt in the seat. If not, that's ok too - whatever needs to be done, not slapping someone out of the seat righteous or not just to feel big and action-taking.
 
2012-09-15 10:23:04 PM

traylor: xanadian: Did anyone get hurt? Was anyone in harm's way?

No?

Then STFU

I'd like to see how this argument works out when you get pulled over by cops for speeding.


I'd like to see a cop pull me over for "speeding" on a private runway.
 
2012-09-15 10:24:09 PM

GAT_00: srtpointman: GAT_00: Members of the Houston County Board are asking why a sheriff's deputy was not disciplined for drag racing his squad car while on the job.

Do we even need the rest of the article? Cops apply the rules, they never get them applied to them. The police are completely immune from any consequences of their actions. It's why you cannot trust the police in this country.

Actually you do need to read the article. The city cop was suspended without pay for 30 days.

Ooh, 30 days without pay. Tell me, what's happens to anyone who isn't a cop who gets caught drag racing?


In Minnesota? Misdemeanor reckless driving and a fine if you do it on a public street. A slap on the wrist for runway racing.
 
2012-09-15 10:30:51 PM
Oh, come on - except for those of you who own something faster (or really, not as damn heavy...) all the Dodge sedans/"coupes" with Hemi's just BEG to be beat on.
 
2012-09-15 10:31:06 PM
Ely told the paper that he did not know who won the race, or how fast the squad cars went.

Well then this article was just one big tease...
 
2012-09-15 10:32:07 PM
Put me squarely in the camp that thinks police totally abuse their authority, and that most of them are just dorks trying to get even for their bad run in High School...but I have no problem with this at all, and would be genuinely curious as to which car won the race.

/BTW they're not all bad. I've had a cop let me go when I was cold busted with a joint in my ashtray
//no, I didn't blow him
///no he didn't take the joint either...weird.
 
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