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(MSNBC)   Halliburton loses radioactive device in Texas, says not to worry, it's completely safe (as long as you don't get any closer than 25ft)   (msnbc.msn.com ) divider line
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2012-09-15 04:44:31 PM  
At this point, I wouldn't trust a damn thing Halliburton said. Even if they said the sun rose in the east, I'd double-check out of principle.
 
2012-09-15 04:49:24 PM  
So let me guess. It's going to blow up and irradiate all of Texas and Halliburton has a no-bid contract to clean it all up. And people will get pissed at anyone who brings that up.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-09-15 04:51:40 PM  
I suppose all the homeland security radiation detectors are busy fingering people who have had medical treatments recently.
 
2012-09-15 04:56:10 PM  
If people work with it I am sure it is packaged and labelled in such a manner as to be fairly safe. Since we're talking Texas, they may be concerned someone will fry and then eat it.
 
2012-09-15 05:05:28 PM  
So don't get too close to that completely innocuous thing no one can find.
 
2012-09-15 05:16:50 PM  
Republicans demand 100% compliance against voter fraud, I'm demanding 100% compliance with not losing radioactive material in order to maintain a business in the USA. It's only fair.
 
2012-09-15 05:18:24 PM  
They use that thing in FRACKING?
 
2012-09-15 05:24:23 PM  
Some kid is going to find that thing and think, "Cool! Superpowers!!" He'll play with it for a while and then get bored when he doesn't develop xray vision or the ability to fly. It'll end up in a box of other castoff crap under his bed.
 
2012-09-15 05:25:50 PM  

unlikely: They use that thing in FRACKING?


No. It's used for well logging. This wireline crew ROYALLY farked up.
 
2012-09-15 05:36:36 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: unlikely: They use that thing in FRACKING?

No. It's used for well logging. This wireline crew ROYALLY farked up.


How does it work? Do you know? I'm suddenly intensely curious.
 
2012-09-15 05:48:52 PM  

unlikely: Dancin_In_Anson: unlikely: They use that thing in FRACKING?

No. It's used for well logging. This wireline crew ROYALLY farked up.

How does it work? Do you know? I'm suddenly intensely curious.


Another article says it's used to determine what rocks to frack. They might be using it with a paired detector to search for rocks that can easily be broken apart because the radioactivity is being transmitted fairly well, suggesting the rock is weak.

That's honestly guesswork though.
 
2012-09-15 05:53:49 PM  
I get interesting contextual ads from this one. One for radiation detectors and another for the Doritos Locos Tacos.
 
2012-09-15 06:02:37 PM  

unlikely: How does it work? Do you know? I'm suddenly intensely curious.

 

I Have friends in the wireline industry and it's pretty fascinating. They have a wide range of tools that take different types of measurements depending on the conditions etc. This is probably the type of tool the source was used in. There's a short animation on the right hand side of the page which explains how it works.
 
2012-09-15 06:21:05 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: unlikely: How does it work? Do you know? I'm suddenly intensely curious. 

I Have friends in the wireline industry and it's pretty fascinating. They have a wide range of tools that take different types of measurements depending on the conditions etc. This is probably the type of tool the source was used in. There's a short animation on the right hand side of the page which explains how it works.


NEAT.

Any chance they just lost it down a hole?
 
2012-09-15 06:39:24 PM  

unlikely: Any chance they just lost it down a hole?


Very unlikely. If you saw the animation, the source goes into the tool which is about 10 feet long. On rig up, the source is inserted into the tool which is in turn hooked to cabling then run down the hole. Tools have been known to get stuck and more often than not are fished out even if (or when) there is a cable break. On VERY rare occasions, the tool is unretrievable and if they are using a radioactive source, the wellbore is sealed and labeled as a radioactive danger site. This was pure sloppiness on the part of the logging crew and more especially the engineer in charge.

I called a buddy in the biz to tell him about this story...We are about 150 miles or so east of Midland/Odessa. He's known about this for a while. "Hell, EVERYONE has heard". It's causing quite a stir. No one ever wants to lose a source. It's dangerous and expensive.
 
2012-09-15 06:49:40 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Very unlikely. If you saw the animation, the source goes into the tool which is about 10 feet long.


Yeah, I was just wondering if a cable could have sheared and someone forgot to put the log in the right place or something.

Dancin_In_Anson: It's dangerous and expensive.


I'm sure it's doing wonders for PR, too
 
2012-09-15 07:01:26 PM  

Mugato: So let me guess. It's going to blow up and irradiate all of Texas and Halliburton has a no-bid contract to clean it all up. And people will get pissed at anyone who brings that up.


You know it wouldn't surprise me, not much surprises me anymore. It just makes me sad.
 
2012-09-15 07:02:47 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: unlikely: Any chance they just lost it down a hole?

Very unlikely. If you saw the animation, the source goes into the tool which is about 10 feet long. On rig up, the source is inserted into the tool which is in turn hooked to cabling then run down the hole. Tools have been known to get stuck and more often than not are fished out even if (or when) there is a cable break. On VERY rare occasions, the tool is unretrievable and if they are using a radioactive source, the wellbore is sealed and labeled as a radioactive danger site. This was pure sloppiness on the part of the logging crew and more especially the engineer in charge.

I called a buddy in the biz to tell him about this story...We are about 150 miles or so east of Midland/Odessa. He's known about this for a while. "Hell, EVERYONE has heard". It's causing quite a stir. No one ever wants to lose a source. It's dangerous and expensive.


I heard this last night and gave the family a call immediately. They live out in West Odessa.

Apparently there is reward being offered to anyone who can locate the thing. Shouldn't be to hard, it will be the only piece of metal in West Odessa that's not covered in rust.
 
2012-09-15 07:03:33 PM  
Came here expecting Twins or Repo Man. Surprised to see neither.
 
2012-09-15 07:03:33 PM  

Makh: So don't get too close to that completely innocuous thing no one can find.


I read that in the voice of GlaDOS.

Used for fracking? Dig a deep farking hole nearby, grab the mofo, drop it in and bury it as fast as you can. Walk away whistling innocently.
 
2012-09-15 07:03:37 PM  
So Dick Cheney's buttplug fell out somewhere in TX?
 
2012-09-15 07:04:48 PM  
This isn't the first time such a device has made the news...
www.therewasnodoubtaboutit.com
 
2012-09-15 07:05:24 PM  
Jesus, a neutron source is pretty bad. Needs building sized shielding and can make things exposed to it radioactive.
 
2012-09-15 07:07:35 PM  
The Texas health department says the cylinder is stamped with the words "danger radioactive" and "do not handle" along with a radiation warning symbol. Anyone who sees it is advised by the department to keep away and notify local law enforcement

Can you read that from 25 feet away?

Just how do you lose something like this? I mean just the thing. I can't imagine that it isn't kept in a special container when not in use. Or do you just give it to Pedro to drive to the next site who sticks it in his shirt pocket and doesn't notice that it fell out a hole in said pocket?
 
2012-09-15 07:08:02 PM  

fragMasterFlash: So Dick Cheney's buttplug fell out somewhere in TX?


No, it's his spare pacemaker power supply.

Just wait till they upgrade him to zero-point modules in 2016, then you'll see some serious shiat.
 
2012-09-15 07:08:52 PM  
Since this is in Texas can we also assume this has a "Do NOT Insert in Anus" warning on the device, or did they do with the Dick Cheney Signature Model engraving instead?
 
2012-09-15 07:10:07 PM  

fragMasterFlash: So Dick Cheney's buttplug fell out somewhere in TX?


His butt plug? I thought it was powering his mechanical heart! ... (Has anyone heard from The Majestic Sneer lately?)
 
2012-09-15 07:10:54 PM  

Makh: So don't get too close to that completely innocuous thing no one can find.


Do not taunt Happy Radioactive Rod.
 
2012-09-15 07:11:15 PM  

buckler: Makh: So don't get too close to that completely innocuous thing no one can find.

I read that in the voice of GlaDOS.


Same here.
 
2012-09-15 07:11:37 PM  

unlikely: Dancin_In_Anson: unlikely: How does it work? Do you know? I'm suddenly intensely curious. 

I Have friends in the wireline industry and it's pretty fascinating. They have a wide range of tools that take different types of measurements depending on the conditions etc. This is probably the type of tool the source was used in. There's a short animation on the right hand side of the page which explains how it works.

NEAT.

Any chance they just lost it down a hole?


That would mean "Tremors" is actually coming to a town near you!
 
2012-09-15 07:12:26 PM  
If you can read this you're too close.
 
2012-09-15 07:13:16 PM  
It'll be okay.

Everyone in Texas is already a mutant.
 
2012-09-15 07:13:53 PM  
A density tool uses two radioactive sources. The drivers of the truck have to be certified, and when the sources are pulled from their place on the truck, the container looks like ... I have a picture around here somewhere... anyway, one container is small and weighs about 25 pounds or so, and the other is about the size of a medicine ball and weighs about 50 pounds. I guess one needs more shielding than the other.

So, with the shielding and all, I don't guess there's much in the way of stray radioactivity.
 
2012-09-15 07:14:02 PM  
www.ereads.com

"Sure, I don't have a heartbeat or a pulse, but I'm still killing the poor for money, so I WIN!"
 
2012-09-15 07:14:40 PM  
Don't worry about it. They've lost way more than than in Iraq and you're still here, and so is Iraq and Iran, for that matter.

Hey, when a pallet of money the size of a stack of maitresses goes missing, that's when I start to worry a little. No telling whose hands that little shipment is in now. But it really happened. Look it up if it wasn't on Fark when you became a Farker.
 
2012-09-15 07:14:43 PM  

Introitus: Republicans demand 100% compliance against voter fraud, I'm demanding 100% compliance with not losing radioactive material in order to maintain a business in the USA. It's only fair.


Come on, why is this even regulated at all? Let's let the market decide whether this is actually worth worrying about.
 
2012-09-15 07:16:40 PM  

frankmanhog: Jesus, a neutron source is pretty bad. Needs building sized shielding and can make things exposed to it radioactive.


So how the hell did it get lost? Did it fall off the back of the truck?
 
2012-09-15 07:17:22 PM  
As someone who is currently working in the oilfields in south Texas, I am getting a dose of alpha radiation from this thread.
 
2012-09-15 07:20:38 PM  
I rather wonder why this is not used as a real training excercise for the NEST team. This aught to right up their freaking alley you know?

Na, we'll jest hope billy-bob don't find it and hide it under his mattress...sheesh.
 
2012-09-15 07:20:47 PM  

Gelatinous: Introitus: Republicans demand 100% compliance against voter fraud, I'm demanding 100% compliance with not losing radioactive material in order to maintain a business in the USA. It's only fair.

Come on, why is this even regulated at all? Let's let the market decide whether this is actually worth worrying about.


You don't HAVE to do business in an irradiated state!
 
2012-09-15 07:24:57 PM  

Gelatinous: Introitus: Republicans demand 100% compliance against voter fraud, I'm demanding 100% compliance with not losing radioactive material in order to maintain a business in the USA. It's only fair.

Come on, why is this even regulated at all? Let's let the market decide whether this is actually worth worrying about.


Nuclear regulations kill Decontamination Jobs. What are you? Anti-American?!
 
2012-09-15 07:28:29 PM  

wildsnowllama: Gelatinous: Introitus: Republicans demand 100% compliance against voter fraud, I'm demanding 100% compliance with not losing radioactive material in order to maintain a business in the USA. It's only fair.

Come on, why is this even regulated at all? Let's let the market decide whether this is actually worth worrying about.

Nuclear regulations kill Decontamination Jobs. What are you? Anti-American?!


LOL :)
 
2012-09-15 07:30:56 PM  

wildsnowllama: Gelatinous: Introitus: Republicans demand 100% compliance against voter fraud, I'm demanding 100% compliance with not losing radioactive material in order to maintain a business in the USA. It's only fair.

Come on, why is this even regulated at all? Let's let the market decide whether this is actually worth worrying about.

Nuclear regulations kill Decontamination Jobs. What are you? Anti-Americium-241?!


FTFY
 
2012-09-15 07:32:29 PM  

brantgoose: Don't worry about it. They've lost way more than than in Iraq and you're still here, and so is Iraq and Iran, for that matter.

Hey, when a pallet of money the size of a stack of maitresses goes missing, that's when I start to worry a little. No telling whose hands that little shipment is in now. But it really happened. Look it up if it wasn't on Fark when you became a Farker.


Yeah, Halliburton seems to have a knack for "losing" things.
 
2012-09-15 07:34:34 PM  
What does a company like Halliburton have to do with a radioactive device & why would they have one?
 
2012-09-15 07:35:46 PM  
Not to worry, the Navy lost a hydrogen bomb in Savannah, GA back in 1958 and nothing bad ever happened there, right?
 
2012-09-15 07:36:37 PM  
What radioactive sources look like.
The two items at the end there,
One's big and the other smaller.

i.imgur.com
 
Mef
2012-09-15 07:38:59 PM  

unlikely: How does it work


An Americium-Beryllium source is used to generate neutrons, by hitting a rock with neutrons you can more or less measure how much hydrogen is in the rock. Most hydrogen in rocks is either water, oil, or gas. If you combine it with a couple other basic logging measurements (like resistivity) you can get a quick look at how valuable a geologic formation might be from a production standpoint.

Not that there is a good radioactive source to lose, but this is one of the worse ones...as far as radiation goes neutrons are pretty damaging and hard to detect, and the Americium Beryllium source has one of the longer half-lifes of sources used in well logging (432 years....compared with something like a Cesium-137 source with a 37 year half-life). A link to industrial radioactive sources - AmBe

Dancin_In_Anson: This is probably the type of tool the source was used in. There's a short animation on the right hand side of the page which explains how it works.


This tool makes similar measurements, but the mechanism is a little different. The tool you've linked to has more radiation, and much higher energy radiation, but instead of using a chemical source (like the one lost in the article), it uses a pulsed neutron generator....basically it has an off switch so it only fires radiation when it's actually being used downhole.
 
2012-09-15 07:40:08 PM  
How does one 'misplace' a radioactive gizmo that probably has to be kept in lead box and probably be handled with specialized gear?

I am impressed that sort of item gets lost.
 
2012-09-15 07:40:30 PM  

vegasj: What does a company like Halliburton have to do with a radioactive device & why would they have one?


Actual question or rhetorical?
 
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