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2012-09-15 03:28:32 PM  
Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc
 
2012-09-15 03:40:21 PM  

dickfreckle: Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc


I believe middle class was defined from 40-75k on CNN last week. This article gives $25,000-$100,000. Some say you need a college degree adn job security to be middle class. So who the hell knows.
 
2012-09-15 04:46:20 PM  

Gwendolyn: dickfreckle: Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc

I believe middle class was defined from 40-75k on CNN last week. This article gives $25,000-$100,000. Some say you need a college degree adn job security to be middle class. So who the hell knows.


Middle class is $200k-$250k and below.
 
2012-09-15 05:27:10 PM  

King Something: Gwendolyn: dickfreckle: Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc

I believe middle class was defined from 40-75k on CNN last week. This article gives $25,000-$100,000. Some say you need a college degree adn job security to be middle class. So who the hell knows.

Middle class is $200k-$250k and below.


i heard middle class is $5,000,000 and above
 
2012-09-15 05:37:55 PM  
I like "Karmin"

/it can't ALWAYS be prime rib!
 
2012-09-15 05:37:59 PM  
Maybe that's just the Trailer-Americans that can admit it to themselves
 
2012-09-15 05:38:43 PM  
My salary is so pathetic, I'm not even in the lower class. My salary puts me in the home schooled income section.
 
2012-09-15 05:39:41 PM  

Gwendolyn: dickfreckle: Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc

I believe middle class was defined from 40-75k on CNN last week. This article gives $25,000-$100,000. Some say you need a college degree adn job security to be middle class. So who the hell knows.


I always thought middle class was a house and a car. Upper middle class was two new cars, a nice house, and vacations. Lower middle class was staying up nights worrying about how you're going to pay for the car repairs.
 
2012-09-15 05:40:24 PM  

skinink: My salary is so pathetic, I'm not even in the lower class. My salary puts me in the home schooled income section.


?

most folks that I know who're homeschooling make good money, they just have that one income and sometimes too many kids
 
2012-09-15 05:40:35 PM  
Making well below $200,000, I am utter white trash.

/At least according to Romney.
 
2012-09-15 05:42:21 PM  
I do not believe that class = $ = class
 
2012-09-15 05:42:29 PM  
I guess I'm not bootstrappy enough. Maybe I can ask Romney's parents for a business loan.
 
2012-09-15 05:44:45 PM  
Anybody think this will get thru the thick skull of an isolated out of touch idiot like, say , M. Romney?
 
2012-09-15 05:46:21 PM  
i thank god i was born in america. being poor here is pretty sweet living compared to most of the hell holes around the planet where the hungry people live. ever been to Brazil? incredibly wealthy up on the hill, everyone else in tin shacks with open sewage running past out back. the smell would make you vomit if you had something in your stomach to puke.

vote carefully my friends. there are people who think we have had it far too good for far too long.
 
2012-09-15 05:47:05 PM  
Could we please stop using ambiguous terms and define what we're talking about.

IMHO 'class' is not about how much money you make.
 
mjg
2012-09-15 05:47:08 PM  
The 33%
 
2012-09-15 05:49:14 PM  
45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.
 
2012-09-15 05:54:48 PM  
Subby can SEE pop music!?!?!
 
2012-09-15 05:55:22 PM  
I would say middle class is 200-250k or less, but not less than 100k
 
2012-09-15 05:55:48 PM  
Meh. We own a couple of liquor stores and don't worry about whether to add XM to our cars. We are nearly 50 and the kids are out of the house, so I guess $150k/yr. puts us in a comfortable position. But i value our holdings, which will enable us to retire early if we wish, much more worthy of any label than our income. I know plenty of people with our income who are afraid of losing their homes if the shiat really hits the fan.

Income does not equal wealth.
 
2012-09-15 05:56:14 PM  
Map showing countries above and below the world average GNP purchasing power parity (per capita), which is $10,700 a year.

Check out Asia and Africa.

The majority of the planet would like to tell the U.S. to shut the fark up about their money "woes".

upload.wikimedia.org

Map showing downtown Cleveland.

www.johnnyroadtrip.com

This is a picture of a goat.

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2012-09-15 05:56:24 PM  

bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.


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2012-09-15 05:57:34 PM  

KrispyKritter: i thank god i was born in america. being poor here is pretty sweet living compared to most of the hell holes around the planet where the hungry people live. ever been to Brazil? incredibly wealthy up on the hill, everyone else in tin shacks with open sewage running past out back. the smell would make you vomit if you had something in your stomach to puke.

vote carefully my friends. there are people who think we have had it far too good for far too long.


It would certainly appear that the Deciders have Decided to move most of the population into ghettos or prisons.
Seems a poor solution to a short term problem.

Problem being too many richies forgetting/ignoring why they are permitted to be there.
I forsee permissions being denied shortly as Big Dog is the only food source left for Bigger Dog.
 
2012-09-15 05:57:57 PM  
Maybe it's not necessarily how big your annual salary as it is your financial security. I'm in that roughly 47k annual myself with only a mortgage as my obligation. Cars are paid for, no debt otherwise. Fortunately I have the health insurance through work and a 403b. Spouse flies overseas annually to visit her family. Yeah, i consider myself middle class.

Middleclass= financial security but not enough to bathe in luxury.
 
2012-09-15 05:58:55 PM  

bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.


Amen!
 
2012-09-15 06:00:13 PM  

bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.


This.
 
2012-09-15 06:00:46 PM  
In general, the government has divided society into quintiles when discussing income distribution. So we have a lower, lower-middle, middle-middle, upper-middle and upper class with each representing 20% of the households or population.

That would put, by definition, 40% of the US in the lower or lower-middle class, so it would seem that people are underidentifying as middle class by 6 or 7% if only 1/3 self identify as being part of the lower or lower middle class.

The number is more interesting on the other side because most of the top 20% identifies themselves as "middle-class" even though by the government's definition they aren't.
 
2012-09-15 06:01:24 PM  
Put in a few extra hours and make more money then
 
2012-09-15 06:01:41 PM  

KrispyKritter: i thank god i was born in america. being poor here is pretty sweet living compared to most of the hell holes around the planet where the hungry people live. ever been to Brazil? incredibly wealthy up on the hill, everyone else in tin shacks with open sewage running past out back. the smell would make you vomit if you had something in your stomach to puke.

vote carefully my friends. there are people who think we have had it far too good for far too long.


I suppose you want me to channel the sewage through your back yard now too! Get a job and pay for your own river of shiat.
 
2012-09-15 06:03:07 PM  

KrispyKritter: i thank god i was born in america. being poor here is pretty sweet living compared to most of the hell holes around the planet where the hungry people live. ever been to Brazil? incredibly wealthy up on the hill, everyone else in tin shacks with open sewage running past out back. the smell would make you vomit if you had something in your stomach to puke.

vote carefully my friends. there are people who think we have had it far too good for far too long.


Screw Brazil. Go across the border into Mexico.
 
2012-09-15 06:03:45 PM  

ThreeEdgedSword: bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.

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Wow, until you posted that stupid picture, I thought I was actually expressing my views. I had no idea I was trolling!11!

/ 0 indeed. : )
 
2012-09-15 06:03:59 PM  
1/3? Try 1/2.

Moving rapidly toward a nation of peasants.

/lucky enough to have reached "middle class" status
//still don't know how that happened
 
2012-09-15 06:05:16 PM  

bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.


That post was so bitter it tastes like canned olives.
 
2012-09-15 06:06:33 PM  

clowncar on fire: KrispyKritter: i thank god i was born in america. being poor here is pretty sweet living compared to most of the hell holes around the planet where the hungry people live. ever been to Brazil? incredibly wealthy up on the hill, everyone else in tin shacks with open sewage running past out back. the smell would make you vomit if you had something in your stomach to puke.

vote carefully my friends. there are people who think we have had it far too good for far too long.

I suppose you want me to channel the sewage through your back yard now too! Get a job and pay for your own river of shiat.


I got my sewage, fark you.
 
2012-09-15 06:07:17 PM  

Incetardis: bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.

That post was so bitter it tastes like canned olives.


The truth not only hurts, it often tastes funny if you've been living on marshmallow fluff. If you're implying *I'M* bitter, I'd love to know about what. Seriously.
 
2012-09-15 06:07:49 PM  

Aidan: I always thought middle class was a house and a car. Upper middle class was two new cars, a nice house, and vacations. Lower middle class was staying up nights worrying about how you're going to pay for the car repairs.


I think these definitions make a lot more sense than those based on dollars.

You can be middle class in Bufu, Flyoverstate with a house and a car making $X and middle class in New York City making $3x. shiat costs a lot more in New York City, so you have to make more to have the same.

Also, you can't move up in class by spending beyond your means. If you live in a mansion with 3 new cars parked in the driveway, you are still lower middle class if you have to worry about making the payments.
 
2012-09-15 06:07:53 PM  
50% of people are below average.

The income metric is a bit of a lie. When I went off to college my student aid was based on my mother's income, which was pretty good and meant I didn't get much. What if failed to take into consideration is that my mother had had a much lower paying job until really recently. She was still digging out of debt. (Teaching at a private college doesn't make you nearly as much money as working for the state.)

The rich don't want to talk about net worth, because that's when the numbers get really crazy. My net worth is a very big negative number. Even if I was suddenly working at a good paying job it would take several years to come close to breaking even. It would take years more to accumulate any wealth, like a house of my own, let alone any wealth that would generate it's own income, even if I continued to be fairly frugal.
 
2012-09-15 06:09:08 PM  

Gwendolyn: dickfreckle: Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc

I believe middle class was defined from 40-75k on CNN last week. This article gives $25,000-$100,000. Some say you need a college degree adn job security to be middle class. So who the hell knows.


I have a college degree and job security. Unfortunately, my secure job pays me half what I made in 1998, and there's not a better one on the horizon.
 
2012-09-15 06:10:49 PM  

RogermcAllen: Aidan: I always thought middle class was a house and a car. Upper middle class was two new cars, a nice house, and vacations. Lower middle class was staying up nights worrying about how you're going to pay for the car repairs.

I think these definitions make a lot more sense than those based on dollars.

You can be middle class in Bufu, Flyoverstate with a house and a car making $X and middle class in New York City making $3x. shiat costs a lot more in New York City, so you have to make more to have the same.

Also, you can't move up in class by spending beyond your means. If you live in a mansion with 3 new cars parked in the driveway, you are still lower middle class if you have to worry about making the payments.


As long as we can all agree that there are rules about such things and that some assmonkey in a suit is going to place us on the shi*ting in high cotton side of what those rules imply, if we just vote for them, then America is safe. *sigh*
 
2012-09-15 06:12:31 PM  
And not to put too fine a point on it, but didn't we tell the British and their etched in stone "class system" to suck a wet fart out of our collective asses a couple hundred years ago? Just wondering.
 
2012-09-15 06:20:02 PM  
I make $698 a month, $8376 a year. The 2011 poverty line for a one-person household was $10,890 (link). When I add in my SNAP (formerly Food Stamps), though the bureaucracy doesn't count that as income, for this year my total is $10,492.

It's true that month to month I barely scrape by but in my one bedroom apartment I've got electricity, a non-leaking roof, screens in the windows, indoor plumbing, hot & cold running water, a gas furnace, and a DSL & unlimited phone bundle. On a global scale I'm pretty well off.

But in the USofA I'm still solidly lower class, a white trash 8th-grade dropout most Americans would call "scum" and warn their children against growing up to be like. Romney wouldn't politely ask for my vote let alone shake my hand.

By the way, FTA: "U.S. Census Bureau data show[s] that median income has dropped by 4.1 percent since we've been in recovery." Some recovery, huh?
 
2012-09-15 06:23:14 PM  

bunner: 45 years of bluejeans, crappy T-shirts with ads written on them, athletic shoes or S&M fetishes as fashion as the money turns into Weimar-esque confetti and loudmouthed, attention whore dope fiends, thugs and drunks as culture hasn't helped.

Americans dress for sh*t, read trash - if at all - and aspire to driving small format military vehicles whilst snodging down triple cheeseburgers and typing on something the size of a pack of Marlboros.

And then we go home and gleefully smirk at the obese, sweaty, screeching, profanity spouting wankers who WE ARE CERTAINLY BETTER THAN on some crappy show that foists itself off as being "reality", but in fact, it means you just film people degrading themselves and come in with a budget of about 3,000.00 an episode, including doughnuts for the tech crew.

Lower class? Most people can't even bother to ASPIRE to "lower class" as they dive, head first, down the cultural evolutionary ladder. The ghetto is how you live, folks. Not where. Now, if you want to bring money into it, there's a lot of very "lower class" billionaires out there of whom you might want to ask a few questions. Because they ADORE your need to "fight the man" by living like trash.


Americans have always looked up to the drunks and addicts of the entertainment industry (Judy Garland, W. C. Fields, Marilyn Monroe) so I'm not sure how today's icons are much different other than theirapparent lack of "class" to their predecessors. Today's thugs are no different that the image James Dean, Elvis and Brando were trying to project way back when. Don't act shocked.

Blame our own appetite for stuff (and financial irresponsibility) and the credit companies for appeasing that appetite for our financial downfall.
 
2012-09-15 06:23:41 PM  
You aren't scum. I have been there. And I don't give a shiat about my taxes going to help you get by until you you get your break. It's called living in a benevolent society, and I resent the $40k millionaire teabaggers who in turn resent you.
 
2012-09-15 06:25:39 PM  
Kuroshin:

1/3? Try 1/2.

Moving rapidly toward a nation of peasants.


Proles. Peasants are rural.
 
2012-09-15 06:27:20 PM  

That Guy in the Dos Equis Commercials: You aren't scum. I have been there. And I don't give a shiat about my taxes going to help you get by until you you get your break. It's called living in a benevolent society, and I resent the $40k millionaire teabaggers who in turn resent you.



BTW was meant to respond to The David. Damn you, LimeaRitas, for being so tasty this afternoon in a Flyover state.
 
2012-09-15 06:27:24 PM  

dickfreckle: Where does 47k while paying my own health insurance put me? I mean, aside from "schmuck?"

/has made roughly the same amount of money since 1998, yet everything is now far more expensive, especially groceries, fuel, etc


You're a schmuck, alright, but not for that. You're a schmuck for thinking that even "employer paid" health insurance isn't paid for by the productive effort of the worker. There is no "employer paid" health insurance.
 
2012-09-15 06:27:33 PM  

baronvonzipper: I do not believe that class = $ = class


You. farking. Hippie.
 
2012-09-15 06:34:04 PM  
That's surprisingly accurate, self assessment wise. I figure that objectively, one third would be lower class, one third middle, and one third upper class.

For the fark demo survey, Me and the woman pull in about 65K, house, one 2002 car, one 2007 pickup. Periodic non spectacular vacations.
 
2012-09-15 06:34:40 PM  

clowncar on fire: Today's thugs are no different that the image James Dean, Elvis and Brando were trying to project way back when. Don't act shocked.


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Yup, no difference. I'll be doggone.
 
2012-09-15 06:37:41 PM  
Americans, always the optimists, gotta love yah!

If you want to divide the populaton into upper, middle and lower, they're mostly right. Except for the obviously deluded. You are lower class if you think you are.

On the other hand, as David Brooks, the pet conservative at the New York Times crowed, 19% of Americans polled felt they were personally in the top 1%. Yikes! As Mr. Brooks pointed out, how are you liberals going to win against that kind of delusion?

Ha! Ha! Mr. Brooks. You are so funny.

The same way we always win. Progress. It happens, or it doesn't. If it happens we win, you lose. If I doesn't, everybody loses. It's a non-zero sum game. But it is open at both ends--everybody can win, everybody can lose. In other words, reality has a liberal bias. Things CHANGE. Go yell at some kids to get off your lawn, stupid.

But seriously (and haven't I always been serious in my most ludicrous jests?), most people are lower class. Most people are sub-average intelligence, despite the "average" being a median. Most people are sub-average wealth, education and so forth. Because money and all these other things can pile up really, really high, fill pockets that are really, really deep.

If Bill Gates III is in the room, you are all millionaires on average, but it's likely he is the richest and perhaps the only rich man in the neighbourhood, let alone the room.

Self-identificaiton is not infallible, but most people know instinctively whether they are upper, middle or lower class by some definion or other.

And even if you are correct, there's still the issue of whether you are class-mobile (rising or falling) and whole-hog or superficially a member of your class. Take for example, lawyers. Some are the first in the family to go to college, let alone to Law School, others belong to ancient clans of lawyers that go back centuries, with distinguished jurists, judges, and even Prime Ministers and Presidents in their ranks. You can be on the inside or the outside of the onion, near the bottom or the top. Even African Americans can be upper or upper-middle class by inhertance as well as accomplishment--Oprah didn't make it all on her own--she is descended from and related to large numbers of African American professionals and business people who paved the road that she drives in a limousine.

The genealogists have identified an incepient African American elite that might not be quite as rich or distinguised as the descendants of Josiah Wedgwood and the All Souls Crowd, but are elite nonetheless by any reasonable standard.

And so at least one third of Americans are lower class by statistical or more sophisticated definitions. The statstical definitions (one percenters, top quintile, middle-income) are inevitable. The other definitions of "lower class" are more complex and moot. But they exist and I'm glad that some people are reality-based enough to admit it. A lot of people are always in denial about something, or possibly everything.
 
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