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2012-09-15 08:59:46 PM
FWIW, here's what the bishop at the filmmaker's church had to say:

Serapion said in a statement that the diocese "strongly rejects dragging the respectable Copts of the Diaspora in the latest production of an inflammatory movie about the prophet of Islam. The producers of this movie should be responsible for their actions. The name of our blessed parishioners should not be associated with the efforts of individuals who have ulterior motives."

Serapion added: "Holistically blaming the Copts for the production of this movie is equivalent to holistically blaming Muslims for the actions of a few fanatics. Even though Christians often face persecution, injustice and calls for open attacks over the airwaves, we reject violence in all its forms."

Link
 
2012-09-15 09:01:49 PM

HighOnCraic: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What troubles me is if the mob was so angry, why did they carry the ambassador to the hospital? Albeit I don't know who those people carrying him were, I was just under the impression that the turrists used the protesters as cover to get in close without raising alarm.

From what I've read, not everyone at the scene was a terrorist or a protester.

Libya's deputy ambassador to the United Nations, Ibrahim Dabbashi, said up to 10 Libyan security personnel were also killed or wounded in the violence.

Link


You are correct, thank you for the link.
 
2012-09-15 09:11:40 PM

St_Francis_P: Gulper Eel: St_Francis_P: If he violated probation, it might indeed be involuntarily voluntary.

So do you think LA officials and the Feds would be this intensely interested if he had violated probation by uploading a video of his day at the zoo?

Maybe not; but people died because of this little prank, so they may look at it a little harder.




No, people died because some crazy as shiat radical Islamsists shot rocket propelled grenades into the building they were inhabiting.
 
2012-09-15 09:13:24 PM

St_Francis_P: [Updated at 1:40 a.m. Saturday: Whitmore told the Times that Nakoula was taken in for a voluntary interview with probation officials and has not been arrested or detained.]


This is *yawn* an outrage.
 
2012-09-15 09:17:29 PM

machoprogrammer: "Siri, dial 1-202-555-6789 extension 666"

Boom.

But its not any part his fault. He just said some words. Freedom of speech. No exceptions.

Question: Are you unaware that setting up a bomb is illegal? Madman would get in trouble for the bomb, but not for the web site.




Did you notice the hypothetical involved another person than the madman? Its pretty much a trivial exercise to assign fault to the madman. Virtually everyone will assign blame to him. And the web site wasn't at issue. Assume the madman owned the site if it simplifies it for you. But is that the sole blame?

But what about the idiot who decided to tell his phone to follow the madman's instructions? That is not the same guy as the madman How about if it was a sociopath (different individual from the original madman) who merely saw an opportunity to kill in what he might think was an untraceable way? Would those people free from all responsibility? The only action they are taking in the hypothesis is saying "Siri dial..." Neither of those proposed hypothetical 3rd parties planted the bomb or conspired to do anything. They just said some words. First Amendment, right?
 
2012-09-15 09:32:18 PM
Here's the part I don't understand:

"He added that he was a Coptic Christian - followers of the faith from Egypt - and said the film's director supported the concerns of Copts and their treatment by Muslims."

Link

Did he really think that Muslims would see this film and think, "Hey, maybe we should be nicer to the Coptic Christians!"?
 
2012-09-15 09:37:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: jenlen: Hard to believe there are people on Fark actually trying to lay all the blame on this moronic film maker and not the savages who are doing the rioting and killing.

I blame both.

Fair enough?

The asshat has the right to do what he did but any decent human being knows it's not smarts to play with fire. So I think the filmakers are vile human beings as well as the people committing the riots/murders in North Africa.

Fair enough?

Indeed.

Let's pretend you like to poke bears with a stick. You have a 30' long pole and you go around to bear's dens and poke them with sticks--you're never hurt, and it's pretty funny to see the bears wake up all angry and growling. There's no law against poking bears, and although sometimes people deride you for harassing innocent animals, there's really no harm to it.

Until one day you go to your favorite bear cave, your 30' long stick in hand, and there's a bear sleeping there...and next to it, a 2-year old who's wandered away from home. People are anxiously gathered around, and they beg you not to poke the bear this time. "F*ck it," you say, "I always poke the bears, and nothing bad has ever happened, and anyway it's my right to poke the bear if I want to." So you poke the bear, it wakes up furious and this time eats the baby.

Can you honestly say that the bear-poker is not at fault for his actions in causing the baby's death? He didn't kill the baby, the bear did that. He didn't put the baby near the bear, the mom did that. And he had a right to do what he did, it wasn't illegal and nothing bad had ever happened before. But isn't it clear that sometimes your right to poke a bear is outweighed by the rights of others?


Yes, with freedom comes responsibility. Besides, the guy was told it would be a probation violation if he had a stick.
 
2012-09-15 09:40:53 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Freedom of speech. No exceptions.


Really? No copyright or trademark? No insider trading laws? No right to recover for defamation? No problem with distributing classified material? No exceptions at all?

Gulper Eel: And yet with all the violent felons and other dirtballs they have in their typical caseloads, plus all the other former state inmates dumped on them just last year, they did locate this filmmaker doofus with remarkable speed...while upstate in Berkeley the parole system took two farking decades to find that a paroled sex offender had Jaycee Dugard penned up in his back yard.

The most likely reason this guy was "voluntarily" taken in is because the powers that be demanded a scalp.


You're obviously confused by the difference between parole and probation. Just as obviously, you've never represented people facing charges for probation violations (I have) so you're unfamiliar with the typical level of supervision typical for people on probation.
 
2012-09-15 09:43:34 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: We also need to find out how they got all riled up now, since this trailer has been on the internet for a while now.


It's not a secret.

The original trailer of Innocence of Muslims was posted to YouTube by Bacile in July, but never gained attention until last week when it was translated into Arabic and linked to by an Egyptian-American Copt Morris Sadek in an Arabic-language blog post. Around that same time, Koran-burning Florida Pastor Terry Jones began promoting the film to practically no effect in the U.S. But it did gain the attention of a Glenn Beck-style TV pundit in Egypt: Sheikh Khalad Abdalla, a host on the Islamist satellite-TV station al-Nas. On Sept. 8, Abdullah lit the match that set this entire international incident in motion and broadcast an offensive clip of the trailer in which a man playing Muhammad calls a donkey "the first Muslim animal."
 
2012-09-15 09:56:17 PM

herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.


The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?
 
2012-09-15 09:57:57 PM

Lithanus: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?


There's no issue there. It was a probation violation. Game over.
 
2012-09-15 09:58:52 PM

BMulligan: Lithanus: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?

There's no issue there. It was a probation violation. Game over.


(Assuming he's found guilty of the probation violation, that is. Until then, he enjoys the legal presumption of innocence.)
 
2012-09-15 10:02:58 PM

BMulligan: BMulligan: Lithanus: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?

There's no issue there. It was a probation violation. Game over.

(Assuming he's found guilty of the probation violation, that is. Until then, he enjoys the legal presumption of innocence.)


What are you people insinuating? That he shouldn't have been detained and questioned? There is probably cause. Got another thing to piss and moan about?
 
2012-09-15 10:04:31 PM

BMulligan: Really? No copyright or trademark? No insider trading laws? No right to recover for defamation? No problem with distributing classified material? No exceptions at all?


people have taken that position in this thread and others. My example was intended to be a counter example to those people, since the issues you have mentioned have already been raised, and seemingly dismissed. (apparently because Christophe Hitchens is more of an authority on the subject than SCOTUS could ever be)
 
2012-09-15 10:06:07 PM

Achi11es: BMulligan: BMulligan: Lithanus: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?

There's no issue there. It was a probation violation. Game over.

(Assuming he's found guilty of the probation violation, that is. Until then, he enjoys the legal presumption of innocence.)

What are you people insinuating? That he shouldn't have been detained and questioned? There is probably cause. Got another thing to piss and moan about?


I think you quoted the wrong person. I'm agreeing with you.
 
2012-09-15 10:08:41 PM
Nobody should be defending this asshole, except an attorney. He violated probation, and did something monumentally stupid at the same time. Sucks to be him.
 
2012-09-15 10:14:18 PM

BMulligan: You're obviously confused by the difference between parole and probation. Just as obviously, you've never represented people facing charges for probation violations (I have) so you're unfamiliar with the typical level of supervision typical for people on probation.


That may be, but from my understanding, both parole and probation officers nationwide have biatched about excessive caseloads...and it's bad in LA. Caseloads for probation officers as high as 1000 (PDF, page 3).

LA County was sued over it three years ago, the ACLU took note, and more recently the criminal-justice system state and countywide has been dealing with budget cuts.

I do know enough of they system to know that the officers' time spent dealing with clients with mental health or addiction issues is a lot greater than it would be for somebody who did time for fraud. The jails are overcrowded, and so the priority is to keep the closest eye on the most dangerous who are at the greatest risk to violate.

In other words, is the grifter going to be their top priority? Really?

It strains credibility to think that an overburdened law enforcement system would have found out about this filmmaker's activities so quickly unless there was tremendous political pressure brought to bear.
 
2012-09-15 10:14:51 PM

BMulligan: Achi11es: BMulligan: BMulligan: Lithanus: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?

There's no issue there. It was a probation violation. Game over.

(Assuming he's found guilty of the probation violation, that is. Until then, he enjoys the legal presumption of innocence.)

What are you people insinuating? That he shouldn't have been detained and questioned? There is probably cause. Got another thing to piss and moan about?

I think you quoted the wrong person. I'm agreeing with you.


I wanted to capture all of the handles and see what the hell the problem was.
 
2012-09-15 10:28:49 PM

Gulper Eel: In other words, is the grifter going to be their top priority? Really?


Absolutely. Grifters are generally sociopaths, and their pathology leads them to believe they are smarter than the people assigned to supervise them, so they think they can get away with anything. They receive some of the most intense supervision.
 
2012-09-15 10:29:31 PM

bedtundy: mathmatix:

Freedom of speech doesnt mean freedom from responsibility. You may have the rights as guaranteed in the constitution, but that doesnt mean you dont have to answer for your words/actions.

uhhh... what? Do you really believe that? So, what is he supposed to do in answer for his free speech? Your above statement cancels itself out. You're basically saying "You have the right to free speech, but really you don't." No buts. You either want free speech, or don't. Which do you want?


It means you are responsible for your actions/words. I dont know how to be more clear.

.
 
2012-09-15 10:38:28 PM

abb3w:
If you're getting death threats on your phone and have a pile of reporters outside your door watching the increasing swarm of protestors, you might be particularly inclined to volunteer to those damned sheriffs in hopes that arrest would include protective custody.


He went into hiding right after his interview. Like, he didn't even go back home. I heard that on the news earlier.
 
2012-09-15 10:44:37 PM

Gulper Eel: It strains credibility to think that an overburdened law enforcement system would have found out about this filmmaker's activities so quickly unless there was tremendous political pressure brought to bear.


The story has been in the news for a few days now--his name became associated with the film fairly quickly. The cops had been outside his house for a couple of days already.

As outrage over the anti-Muslim film "Innocence of Muslims" spreads across the Middle East, police were sent to the California home of the many they identified as the producer of the film, Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who according to authorities is frightened for his life.

Sheriff's deputies were sent to the Cerritos, California home of Nakoula, 55, Thursday to protect him and his family, a senior law enforcement official told ABC News. According to a sheriff, the police were at Nakoula's home overnight Thursday but have now left, as media reports identifying him as the man behind "Innocence of Muslims," and listing his address, have circulated.

According to California law enforcement officials, Nakoula, who is also known to authorities as Bacily Nakoula, was frightened for his life and "scared of retaliation" against his family.

Sheriffs from the Cerritos police station were sent to his home to keep Nakoula safe and to provide a uniformed presence to assist the members from the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, official reports said.

Link
 
2012-09-15 10:46:05 PM

Gulper Eel: St_Francis_P: Maybe not; but people died because of this little prank

Nobody died because of this prank.

They died because they had the bad fortune to be living their lives in the midst of religious batshiattery that will use any pretext for murder, or make one up if there's none at hand.


I know, man. Not like we've been giving Israel a blank check or caused thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, right?
 
2012-09-15 10:50:40 PM

The Bestest: dr_blasto: gameshowhost: Uncle Tractor: Maybe we westerners should just fill the internet with mockery of islam and mohammed, and keep it that way until they get used to it. After all, it sorta worked on our christians.

What we really should do is change our foreign policy, first and foremost.

It may not be a terrible idea to quit wagging our dicks all over the middle east for a change.

Honestly, we (the US) aren't the problem here. the Time article linked upthread notes that much of this current crisis is being caused by our good buddies the Saudis (always, always follow the money, folks.

As far as our Mideast policy in general, like it or not we're stuck there, and we'll always be stuck there so long as we're married to oil and Israel.


We're a problem so long as we insist on being the 800-lb gorilla in the region. We farked up Iran. Us. We made 1979 happen. Britain with the British mandate farked the rest. We should leave it alone, we should deal with the price of energy and say fark it. I'm tired of dead Marines. Seriously, we need to let it go and deal with it. I've known way too many good people who've died for what? Supporting more dictators? Cheap oil? farkem. Make friends with europe and brazil, stay where there's trees.
 
2012-09-15 11:02:04 PM

BMulligan: Grifters are generally sociopaths, and their pathology leads them to believe they are smarter than the people assigned to supervise them


It's not a question of smarts or being a sociopath. You don't need a pathology to think "hmm...one probation officer, coupla hundred cases, I can get away with this."

As for grifters being watched like a hawk...about that. The video was uploaded two months ago, and nobody took notice until the shiatstorm started.

HighOnCraic: The story has been in the news for a few days now--his name became associated with the film fairly quickly.


For that we can thank the Associated Press Infidel Dog Location Service.

I doubt the local authorities are happy they have to take time (and money) to babysit this guy because somebody in Washington is leaning on them.
 
2012-09-15 11:16:59 PM

Gulper Eel: For that we can thank the Associated Press Infidel Dog Location Service.


At last, we've discovered who the REAL villains are in all this!

/sarc
 
2012-09-15 11:18:36 PM
This whole clusterfark is lovely. Liberals and the Democrat party aren't even pretending anymore that they believe in free speech. Only in speech that helps them.

If this was a guy who had made fun of Christian fundamentalism they'd be cheering at the top of their lungs.

/I though America was the land of freedom of expression
//this is a very sad day
 
2012-09-15 11:29:51 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: We also need to find out how they got all riled up now, since this trailer has been on the internet for a while now.

It's not a secret.

The original trailer of Innocence of Muslims was posted to YouTube by Bacile in July, but never gained attention until last week when it was translated into Arabic and linked to by an Egyptian-American Copt Morris Sadek in an Arabic-language blog post. Around that same time, Koran-burning Florida Pastor Terry Jones began promoting the film to practically no effect in the U.S. But it did gain the attention of a Glenn Beck-style TV pundit in Egypt: Sheikh Khalad Abdalla, a host on the Islamist satellite-TV station al-Nas. On Sept. 8, Abdullah lit the match that set this entire international incident in motion and broadcast an offensive clip of the trailer in which a man playing Muhammad calls a donkey "the first Muslim animal."


Excellent article, thank you. Seems to be hinting at copycats of the video in the future there at the end. I wonder how soon until the first is uploaded?
 
2012-09-15 11:30:34 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: "A mublishes ofadman sets up a cellphone controlled bomb and on the web"

that was supposed to be "a madman sets up a cellphone controlled bomb an publishes on the web"

dammit


I, uh, liked the first version better.
 
2012-09-15 11:32:18 PM

beta_plus: This whole clusterfark is lovely. Liberals and the Democrat party aren't even pretending anymore that they believe in free speech. Only in speech that helps them.

If this was a guy who had made fun of Christian fundamentalism they'd be cheering at the top of their lungs.

/I though America was the land of freedom of expression
//this is a very sad day


Interestingly enough, there was only one liberal in this thread who strongly opposed you guys unrelentingly. It was surprising how many people agreed.
 
2012-09-15 11:33:00 PM

beta_plus: This whole clusterfark is lovely. Liberals and the Democrat party aren't even pretending anymore that they believe in free speech. Only in speech that helps them.

If this was a guy who had made fun of Christian fundamentalism they'd be cheering at the top of their lungs.

/I though America was the land of freedom of expression
//this is a very sad day


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2012-09-15 11:49:19 PM

beta_plus: This whole clusterfark is lovely. Liberals and the Democrat party aren't even pretending anymore that they believe in free speech. Only in speech that helps them.

If this was a guy who had made fun of Christian fundamentalism they'd be cheering at the top of their lungs.

/I though America was the land of freedom of expression
//this is a very sad day


Aww, suckit. This isn't lib/con shiat, no matter how hard you try to make it that way.

There's exactly two issues.

Probation violation possibly and crazy people manipulated by shiat-ass worldview. This isn't about free speech-you conservative 'tough on crime' brethren made sure of that decades ago. Our relentless dickong around in other nations affairs took care of the rest.
 
2012-09-15 11:57:10 PM

Gulper Eel: The video was uploaded under an assumed name two months ago, and nobody took notice until the shiatstorm started.


I helpfully provided the important part you left out.
 
2012-09-15 11:57:41 PM

Gulper Eel: BMulligan: Grifters are generally sociopaths, and their pathology leads them to believe they are smarter than the people assigned to supervise them

It's not a question of smarts or being a sociopath. You don't need a pathology to think "hmm...one probation officer, coupla hundred cases, I can get away with this."

As for grifters being watched like a hawk...about that. The video was uploaded two months ago, and nobody took notice until the shiatstorm started.

HighOnCraic: The story has been in the news for a few days now--his name became associated with the film fairly quickly.

For that we can thank the Associated Press Infidel Dog Location Service.

I doubt the local authorities are happy they have to take time (and money) to babysit this guy because somebody in Washington is leaning on them.


A lot of probationers don't even have actual "probation officers" any more. As long as the offense was reasonably minor (i.e. not a violent felony), they get a little card, like an ATM card, and can check in weekly at a computer kiosk at any probation office. All they have to do to stay off the radar is hit the kiosk on time and not have any "negative contacts" with police officers. After that, they can mostly do what they like.

Given the nature of this guy's crime, I'll lay you even odds he was a computer check-in and hasn't seen his probation officer since it was granted. So he probably felt there was no risk in uploading his dumbass little film until his buddy decided it would be a good thing to translate it into Arabic.
 
2012-09-16 12:00:23 AM

Weaver95: And the laws of this country, the laws of the United States say I can do this...and there is nothing you can do to stop me.


I can do thousands of things to stop you. I'm not the U.S. government.
 
2012-09-16 12:45:40 AM

Gyrfalcon: A lot of probationers don't even have actual "probation officers" any more. As long as the offense was reasonably minor (i.e. not a violent felony), they get a little card, like an ATM card, and can check in weekly at a computer kiosk at any probation office. All they have to do to stay off the radar is hit the kiosk on time and not have any "negative contacts" with police officers. After that, they can mostly do what they like.


Maybe that's how it works in your jurisdiction, but not in mine. In Washington state, one is placed on either active or inactive supervision, a decision that is based mostly on the results of the intake interview with Dept. of Corrections. Anyone with priors (such as this knucklehead) will most likely be on active supervision, which includes periodic visits (usually weekly, occasionally biweekly) to one's supervising officer. This is where the UAs happen, and where the offender is expected to produce required documents (community service attendance, AA/NA attendance, school or work records, etc.). This isn't the most important part of active supervision, though. The most important part is the random visits to the offender at his home, along with home inspections and searches. Now, obviously, what with the state budget being slashed, fewer offenders receive this sort of supervision than once was the case, but I'm pretty sure that a guy with two fraud convictions would get the full spa treatment.
 
2012-09-16 01:58:39 AM

BMulligan: Gyrfalcon: A lot of probationers don't even have actual "probation officers" any more. As long as the offense was reasonably minor (i.e. not a violent felony), they get a little card, like an ATM card, and can check in weekly at a computer kiosk at any probation office. All they have to do to stay off the radar is hit the kiosk on time and not have any "negative contacts" with police officers. After that, they can mostly do what they like.

Maybe that's how it works in your jurisdiction, but not in mine. In Washington state, one is placed on either active or inactive supervision, a decision that is based mostly on the results of the intake interview with Dept. of Corrections. Anyone with priors (such as this knucklehead) will most likely be on active supervision, which includes periodic visits (usually weekly, occasionally biweekly) to one's supervising officer. This is where the UAs happen, and where the offender is expected to produce required documents (community service attendance, AA/NA attendance, school or work records, etc.). This isn't the most important part of active supervision, though. The most important part is the random visits to the offender at his home, along with home inspections and searches. Now, obviously, what with the state budget being slashed, fewer offenders receive this sort of supervision than once was the case, but I'm pretty sure that a guy with two fraud convictions would get the full spa treatment.


Yeah, but you're in Washington. California is so strapped for cash we're closing courthouses and have probation caseworkers with 500-600 probationers on their caseload. And no money to hire more. I interned at the Long Beach office once, and the PO even said it was totally impossible for her to keep up even on paper with her probationers. Nevermind any kind of periodic visit or random home check. They had to assume the probationer was behaving unless there was evidence otherwise.
 
2012-09-16 02:39:18 AM

Achi11es: Danish man makes cartoon of Mohammed - terrorists target HIM SPECIFICALLY. Not his country.


I suppose that's true if you ignore this:

Four months later, Muslims protested across the Islamic world, some of which escalated into violence with instances of police firing on crowds of protestors resulting in a total of more than 100 reported deaths,[1] including the bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan and setting fire to the Danish Embassies in Syria, Lebanon and Iran, storming European buildings, and burning the Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, French and German flags in Gaza City.[2][3]
 
2012-09-16 04:17:07 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Weaver95: because the 1st amendment is for wimps, that's why.

It seems so.


I guess the law and order party isn't so law and order.
 
2012-09-16 04:18:02 AM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Dancin_In_Anson: Weaver95: because the 1st amendment is for wimps, that's why.

It seems so.

Have fun going to a crowded theater and yelling "FIRE!" and using that as your defense, then.

its more like someone ran into a crowded theater and shouted 'Cherry pie!'. then a riot happened. then after the riot happened, the state cops went 3 towns over and arrested a kid from a different movie theater for selling popcorn and plan on blaming the riots on him. Because hey - f*ck you, that's why!

this whole thing is surreal.


Only if you knew yelling "cherry pie" would lead to violence.
 
2012-09-16 04:22:03 AM

Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: I would consider religious fanatics going out and murdering people over my book(s) to be a mark of honor. that means that my talent as a writer was able to reach them, force them to really think about what I said and how if affects them.

No, reaching them would include opening a dialogue, not blatantly accusing their prophet of committing mortal sins. But apparently you believe in a baser level of discourse than I do.

sometimes the best way to start a dialogue is to shake people up, shock them out of their normal patterns of thinking.


You don't actually farking think portraying Mohamed as a blood-thirsty, gay, pedo is actually "opening a dialogue". You are just being a douche.
 
2012-09-16 07:54:46 AM

Gulper Eel: jso2897: Came to see rat-wingers white-knighting a career criminal.
Leaving, satisfied.

Hollywood's been white-knighting Roman Polanski for 40 years. Can't the rest of us have a bit of self-righteous fun?


Of couse, and I did not mean to imply otherwise, my good man.
 
2012-09-16 08:33:27 AM

Gulper Eel: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

Yeah, because parole officers in LA with huge caseloads and massive paperwork hassles have as their first priority...snooping around YouTube all day. Here's the typical scenario:

Stoltze: How many guys are you watching right now?

Gibson: I don't even know, to be honest with you. 133. Yeah, it can be frustrating sometimes. ... Especially lately, they seem to count on the fact that they can kind of ignore what you tell them to do a little bit because it's going to take you so long to notice that they're not doing it.

And yet with all the violent felons and other dirtballs they have in their typical caseloads, plus all the other former state inmates dumped on them just last year, they did locate this filmmaker doofus with remarkable speed...while upstate in Berkeley the parole system took two farking decades to find that a paroled sex offender had Jaycee Dugard penned up in his back yard.

The most likely reason this guy was "voluntarily" taken in is because the powers that be demanded a scalp.


Newsflash: cops are overworked and busy, they should focus on the most heinous crimes. But when you drive past a trooper with a taillight out, while thumbing your nose at them, guess what
 
2012-09-16 08:37:28 AM

Lithanus: herrDrFarkenstein: This is your hero conservatards. A parolee con-man too stupid to realize that parole officers look at the internet too.

The consensus, even among conservatives, is that he's a jackass. I've seen very few defending his speech as such. The issue isn't whether his opinion has merit, the issue is whether he should have the right to state it. Got another straw man to knock down?


I thought apologizing for this film was being sympathetic to terrorists and those who hate America. That's what the democratically chosen standard bearer of American conservatism told me. Also the Fark threads full of glass parking lots and pig blood - not to mention RedState etc.

You and your racist friends ...
 
2012-09-16 09:30:38 AM

Mentat: Achi11es: Danish man makes cartoon of Mohammed - terrorists target HIM SPECIFICALLY. Not his country.

I suppose that's true if you ignore this:

Four months later, Muslims protested across the Islamic world, some of which escalated into violence with instances of police firing on crowds of protestors resulting in a total of more than 100 reported deaths,[1] including the bombing of the Danish embassy in Pakistan and setting fire to the Danish Embassies in Syria, Lebanon and Iran, storming European buildings, and burning the Danish, Dutch, Norwegian, French and German flags in Gaza City.[2][3]


I suppose you would be correct if any of the protests originated with the calling for the film makers head only. Idiot.
 
2012-09-16 09:31:26 AM
Now, I don't know why more people aren't curious about this, but I will throw this out there -

This seems like an awful lot of effort to go through just to release a video like this. I think what the government is actually investigating right now is that they are trying to make a determination if this was some sort of false flag operation.

Because really, once some of the weirdness came out about this situation, I have to admit that this is the first place my mind went to - mainly because this doesn't pass occums razor. Too much trickery and deception going on for just run of the mill xenophobia and racism, which is frankly, in abundant supply... right?
 
2012-09-16 10:22:07 AM

dr_blasto: beta_plus: This whole clusterfark is lovely. Liberals and the Democrat party aren't even pretending anymore that they believe in free speech. Only in speech that helps them.

If this was a guy who had made fun of Christian fundamentalism they'd be cheering at the top of their lungs.

/I though America was the land of freedom of expression
//this is a very sad day

Aww, suckit. This isn't lib/con shiat, no matter how hard you try to make it that way.

There's exactly two issues.

Probation violation possibly and crazy people manipulated by shiat-ass worldview. This isn't about free speech-you conservative 'tough on crime' brethren made sure of that decades ago. Our relentless dickong around in other nations affairs took care of the rest.


Yeah, keep trying to blame the conservatives on this one. You know, the same conservatives who ordered the bombing of Libya in 2011.
 
2012-09-16 10:22:41 AM
I think sometime in the next couple of weeks I'm going to make a video that will offend muslims so much their heads will explode before they even get a chance to start rioting.
 
2012-09-16 10:37:42 AM
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Somehow this feels appropriate..
 
2012-09-16 10:46:53 AM

beta_plus: dr_blasto: beta_plus: This whole clusterfark is lovely. Liberals and the Democrat party aren't even pretending anymore that they believe in free speech. Only in speech that helps them.

If this was a guy who had made fun of Christian fundamentalism they'd be cheering at the top of their lungs.

/I though America was the land of freedom of expression
//this is a very sad day

Aww, suckit. This isn't lib/con shiat, no matter how hard you try to make it that way.

There's exactly two issues.

Probation violation possibly and crazy people manipulated by shiat-ass worldview. This isn't about free speech-you conservative 'tough on crime' brethren made sure of that decades ago. Our relentless dickong around in other nations affairs took care of the rest.

Yeah, keep trying to blame the conservatives on this one. You know, the same conservatives who ordered the bombing of Libya in 2011.


I'm holding the conservatives responsible for the crazy authoritarian "tough on crime" bullshiat and the erosion of rights that makes it easy for your government to cyber-stalk you whenever they feel the urge.
 
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