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(Mirror.co.uk)   The Doctor's in the old west facing a gunfighter again, but Steven and Dodo aren't there to back him up this time around. Will the Ponds be adequate replacements in season 7, episode 3 of 'Doctor Who, A Town Called Mercy'?   (mirror.co.uk) divider line 145
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2012-09-15 09:00:42 AM
After a great season opener, last week was disappointing. I am really hoping this one is good
 
2012-09-15 09:16:19 AM
Why was last week disappointing? I thought it was a good episode, dinosaurs, spaceships, space pirates,Nefertiti...etc.

Perhaps this episode will feature Amy in an old west prostitute outfit...*drools*
 
2012-09-15 09:21:37 AM
I will be very happy if Ben Browder's character refers to his gun as "Winona".
 
2012-09-15 09:24:37 AM
Doctor Who, Ben Browder, I'm going to be very happy today!
 
2012-09-15 09:25:06 AM

knumbersix: I will be very happy if Ben Browder's character refers to his gun as "Winona".


Came here to say that. You beat me to it, good show.
 
2012-09-15 09:27:08 AM
I liked last weeks. This one... let's just say I'm skeptical.
 
2012-09-15 09:27:14 AM

the_rhino: Why was last week disappointing? I thought it was a good episode, dinosaurs, spaceships, space pirates,Nefertiti...etc.

Perhaps this episode will feature Amy in an old west prostitute outfit...*drools*


Too many characters, too little development, missed opportunities with Rory and his dad, and again the Ponds feel tacked on.
 
2012-09-15 09:27:40 AM

knumbersix: I will be very happy if Ben Browder's character refers to his gun as "Winona".


Primus sucks!
 
2012-09-15 09:34:11 AM
Of course, if the Doctor can get his hands on some freslin, it is on:

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2012-09-15 10:08:18 AM
K9 to save the day?
 
2012-09-15 10:24:41 AM
Man, when I first saw this I thought of Westworld. They should have just called this episode The Magnificent Eleven. It looks like it'll be awesome.
 
2012-09-15 10:59:57 AM
It is becoming impossible to describe any Dr. Who plot without using the word "again". Why is that? Because Moffatt is an unimaginative hack. A one trick pony. A dead horse beater.

There, I said it.

I stuck it out through the last season, but it was either repetitive rehashing of conflicts he has had before, or melodramatic sappy subplots that really had nothing to do with the Dr. and who he is whatsoever. I can't tolerate it anymore, and am through with it until someone else is running the show.
 
2012-09-15 11:05:49 AM
I just recently started watching the show for the first time. About a season behind however. The episode airing tonight is supposed to involve pirates I think.
 
2012-09-15 11:12:37 AM
I wonder if the lightbulb theme will continue this week? Looks like there's an electric streetlight there, which as far as I know weren't common in old west towns.
 
2012-09-15 11:13:33 AM

Dr. Whoof: Too many characters, too little development, missed opportunities with Rory and his dad, and again the Ponds feel tacked on.


I think the point was just to introduce Brian. He's in next week's Pond/Williams-centric episode again.
 
2012-09-15 11:15:30 AM
... Thanks for reminding me of 'A Holiday for The Doctor'.

Swear to God, that show had a music track that made my ears, and my brain, bleed.

A serious challenger to 'Lost Mesa of Spider Women' for a music score that should have been outlawed by the Geneva Convention.

Although, I must say, adding a black cowboy hat to William Hartnell's standard outfit *did* create a very good instant Western look.
 
2012-09-15 11:16:52 AM

MikeSass: Why is that?


Because the show's been on for about 50 years? I mean, c'mon- the last time they had a Western themed episode was in the 1st Doctor's era. Most people watching the show today don't even know who William Hartnell is.

Also, Moffat isn't writing every single episode. He's a producer. And he wrote the single greatest episode of Doctor Who ever. You know which one I'm talking about- "The Curse of the Fatal Death". Rowan Atkinson was a great Doctor.
 
2012-09-15 11:22:48 AM

Spiralmonkey: I wonder if the lightbulb theme will continue this week? Looks like there's an electric streetlight there, which as far as I know weren't common in old west towns.


One of the preview scenes on the BBC website shows the Doctor noting to Amy & Rory that the bulbs are anachronistic by ten years or so. Maybe the Cybermen are back; remember the problem with the lights last year in "Up All Night" and "Closing Time".

On a related note, on what prerecorded music this week will the Doctor have performed?
 
2012-09-15 11:24:30 AM

Spiralmonkey: I wonder if the lightbulb theme will continue this week? Looks like there's an electric streetlight there, which as far as I know weren't common in old west towns.


Also music.
In The Pond Life, he was laying down background vocals.
In Asylum Of The Daleks, he played the triangle.
In Dinosaurs On A Space Ship, he provided the second set of hands for Schubert
 
2012-09-15 11:43:11 AM
Haven't liked either episode this season (though spunky new companion was great). Don't know if it's Moffat, or the writers, or the new eagerness to jump on a widening US audience, but the writing has been craptacular.

The sooner we see the end of the Pond storyline, the better. It's dead weight now, played out past its logical conclusion. And the writers are trying SO HARD to show us how clever they are, they're forgetting that clever is just a way to avoid dealing with characters and narrative. The sooner all that noise is over, the better. I want some good stories back, already. Last season Moffat was so infatuated with his "long game" that the individual episodes became 40 minutes of treading water for the sake of a "gotcha" ending.

Okay, I think that's all I have to grumble about. Hoping for better this week.
 
2012-09-15 11:55:53 AM

HopScotchNSoda:
One of the preview scenes on the BBC website shows the Doctor noting to Amy & Rory that the bulbs are anachronistic by ten years or so. Maybe the Cybermen are back; remember the problem with the lights last year in "Up All Night" and "Closing Time".

On a related note, on what prerecorded music this week will the Doctor have performed?

Gunny Walker:

Also music.
In The Pond Life, he was laying down background vocals.
In Asylum Of The Daleks, he played the triangle.
In Dinosaurs On A Space Ship, he provided the second set of hands for Schubert


Maybe he combined both and joined Jean-Michel Jarre in Marseille for a sons et lumiere Link.

I'm wondering if it's just Moffat jerking our collective chains, though.
 
2012-09-15 12:19:27 PM
Meh...after watching the first 2, I have to say that I concur with the increasing number of people saying that the shark was jumped when Moffatt took over and Matt Smith got hired. If I could describe the show since then in two words, those words would be "desperate reaching". Yes, there were some good episodes. But by and large it has just seemed increasingly forced, and these most recent two episodes were utter dreck, IMO.
 
2012-09-15 12:59:04 PM
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2012-09-15 01:19:07 PM

Eligarf: Meh...after watching the first 2, I have to say that I concur with the increasing number of people saying that the shark was jumped when Moffatt took over and Matt Smith got hired. If I could describe the show since then in two words, those words would be "desperate reaching". Yes, there were some good episodes. But by and large it has just seemed increasingly forced, and these most recent two episodes were utter dreck, IMO.


I thought the first two episodes were great, and not jumped the shark. It's ok to have your opinion, but I thought everything was nicely done. The episodes are slowly weening the Ponds away, and they aren't super central like they use to be in episodes before that. The story lines are fun, and will probably have a bigger impact towards the end of the season. Moffat put in some nice early Doctor references in the show which is nice to see. Smith is a great Doctor, but playing angry wise old man, but then acting like a fun playful child a second later. He is a very good Doctor, and he doesn't go full on emo like Tennant's. I don't blame Tennant with that though, I blame the writing for that. I really didn't care for how RTD wanted the Doctor to be like, and the Rose obsession was a bit creepy.
 
2012-09-15 01:35:55 PM

demonfaerie: I don't blame Tennant with that though, I blame the writing for that


The funny faces and overwrought delivery were all Tennant. Sure, the script basically demanded that kind of hammy overacting, but he had control over how he delivered his lines.

For the entirety of NuWho, the stories have been jumbled messes. From "Bad Wolf" (ugh, what a terrible reveal) through the fiftieth return of the Daleks there have been a lot of climaxes that either depended on fridge logic or didn't make any sense at all. The finale where Tennant and DoctorDonna defeated the Daleks via a round of frenzied button pushing was probably the lowest moment in terms of narrative structure.

With the RTD-era, you basically knew the episodes weren't going to make any sense, and that the biggest climaxes would be resolved with the shoddiest technobabble. It was indulgent and stupid, and it wore that on its sleeve.

The biggest change in the Moffat era isn't that the writing has gotten any tighter, or the show has gotten any less indulgent and stupid, but that it pretends that it's not. Moffat loves to do sleight-of-hand, and disguise hacky tropes behind a wall of obfuscation.
 
2012-09-15 01:35:55 PM

demonfaerie:

I thought the first two episodes were great, and not jumped the shark. It's ok to have your opinion, but I thought everything was nicely done. The episodes are slowly weening the Ponds away, and they aren't super central like they use to be in episodes before that. The story lines are fun, and will probably have a bigger impact towards the end of the season. Moffat put in some nice early Doctor references in the show which is nice to see. Smith is a great Doctor, but playing angry wise old man, but then acting like a fun playful child a second later. He is a very good Doctor, and he doesn't go full on emo like Tennant's. I don't blame Tennant with that though, I blame the writing for that. I really didn't care for how RTD wanted the Doctor to be like, and the Rose obsession was a bit creepy.


See, you are comparing. I was not. I've never thought it fair to compare one actor's take on a character with another's, or one director's take on a show with another's. My opinion was based solely on what I see in the episodes since Moffatt took over and Smith was hired. I think Moffatt is trying too hard to please too many people, and it is coming across (to me at least) as very forced and emotive.
 
2012-09-15 01:41:02 PM

Eligarf: Meh...after watching the first 2, I have to say that I concur with the increasing number of people saying that the shark was jumped when Moffatt took over and Matt Smith got hired. If I could describe the show since then in two words, those words would be "desperate reaching". Yes, there were some good episodes. But by and large it has just seemed increasingly forced, and these most recent two episodes were utter dreck, IMO.


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Uuuugh. Not this shiat again.

All of these complaints boil down to Moffat/Smith not writing/acting in the same style RTD/Tennant did when you fell in love with the show. The meth recipe's changed and you're not getting the same endorphin high anymore.
 
2012-09-15 01:46:30 PM

Kaybeck: The meth recipe's changed and you're not getting the same endorphin high anymore.


Walter White as the new version of Turlough (as in, a villainous companion?). I'm in.
 
2012-09-15 01:49:36 PM

Eligarf: demonfaerie:

I thought the first two episodes were great, and not jumped the shark. It's ok to have your opinion, but I thought everything was nicely done. The episodes are slowly weening the Ponds away, and they aren't super central like they use to be in episodes before that. The story lines are fun, and will probably have a bigger impact towards the end of the season. Moffat put in some nice early Doctor references in the show which is nice to see. Smith is a great Doctor, but playing angry wise old man, but then acting like a fun playful child a second later. He is a very good Doctor, and he doesn't go full on emo like Tennant's. I don't blame Tennant with that though, I blame the writing for that. I really didn't care for how RTD wanted the Doctor to be like, and the Rose obsession was a bit creepy.

See, you are comparing. I was not. I've never thought it fair to compare one actor's take on a character with another's, or one director's take on a show with another's. My opinion was based solely on what I see in the episodes since Moffatt took over and Smith was hired. I think Moffatt is trying too hard to please too many people, and it is coming across (to me at least) as very forced and emotive.


I wasn't trying to compare the two, because you are right you can't compare takes on others. Most people who usually dislike Moffat and Smith are the ones who are longing for RTD and Tennant. I don't think Moffat is trying hard to please everyone, he has an idea and wants to do it. Imo opinion he is doing a good job at it; the past few seasons has been fun, and slowly progressing to getting darker at times. I don't think its forced, but I do think at times he might be putting to much stuff in episodes, but not always. He isn't writing every episode, so if someone has a problem with an episode, one might want to look at the write, and yes I know he does give cues to writers on stuff.
 
2012-09-15 02:07:18 PM

t3knomanser: MikeSass: Why is that?

Because the show's been on for about 50 years? I mean, c'mon- the last time they had a Western themed episode was in the 1st Doctor's era. Most people watching the show today don't even know who William Hartnell is.



This first stretch of episodes is covering some well trod ground, though. Daleks, Dinosaurs, the old west. It's been done before, though the new episodes don't even throw in that "yeah, I've seen this before" tip of the hat to old fans.

The way things are going, I suppose the next episode will be about a Celestial Toymaker, or a place with some sort of happiness patrol...
 
2012-09-15 02:13:42 PM
Are the people who complained that Amy was too important the same ones now saying that the ponds aren't serving any purpose?

Honestly looking back at the RTD and Tennant days I don't know how I stayed through until Smith and Moffat. Maybe seing Blink first helped, but when I try to rewatch most of that run I can't. It's just terrible in retrospect.
 
2012-09-15 02:15:37 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Are the people who complained that Amy was too important the same ones now saying that the ponds aren't serving any purpose?

Honestly looking back at the RTD and Tennant days I don't know how I stayed through until Smith and Moffat. Maybe seing Blink first helped, but when I try to rewatch most of that run I can't. It's just terrible in retrospect.


It's entirely possible for both to be true.

Amy Pond WAS too important in years 5 and 6. Now, they're shoehorned in, killing time until Christmas and Ace 2.0.
 
2012-09-15 02:16:48 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Daleks, Dinosaurs, the old west


Daleks I'll grant- they're definitely overdone.

If you don't count Silurians as dinosaurs (and we shouldn't), then Doctor Who barely ever touches dinosaurs. The last time that dinosaurs were actually on screen was "Invasion of the Dinosaurs", back in the 70s.

Westerns are only well-trod if you're an American. Brits don't have the same experience with westerns. I'm actually optimistic for this one, in part because I absolutely adore westerns and hope to see some great nods to Leone.
 
2012-09-15 02:44:18 PM

Kaybeck: Eligarf: Meh...after watching the first 2, I have to say that I concur with the increasing number of people saying that the shark was jumped when Moffatt took over and Matt Smith got hired. If I could describe the show since then in two words, those words would be "desperate reaching". Yes, there were some good episodes. But by and large it has just seemed increasingly forced, and these most recent two episodes were utter dreck, IMO.

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Uuuugh. Not this shiat again.

All of these complaints boil down to Moffat/Smith not writing/acting in the same style RTD/Tennant did when you fell in love with the show. The meth recipe's changed and you're not getting the same endorphin high anymore.


Please reread my comments for comprehension, paying particular attention to the part where I said (in English) that I was not comparing, then come back with something witty that makes you seem like an even larger idiot than you already do.

As for when I began watching the show (I have never been "in love with it", nor obsessed with it as you are), it is irrelevant for this discussion but since you insist that it must mean something important, I first began watching Doctor Who at the Key to Time series, when it aired back in the late 1970's. Yes, in Britain. Yes, on BBC1. Yes, I am "from there". I am also female, since that undoubtedly is also frought with meaning for you, and I am a Capricorn, have black hair, and am nearly six feet tall. So I couldn't possibly be making an objective judgment, could I?
 
2012-09-15 02:52:34 PM

Eligarf:

Please reread my comments for comprehension, paying particular attention to the part where I said (in English) that I was not comparing, then come back with something witty that makes you seem like an even larger idiot than you already do.

As for when I began watching the show (I have never been "in love with it", nor obsessed with it as you are), it is irrelevant for this discussion but since you insist that it must mean something important, I first began watching Doctor Who at the Key to Time series, when it aired back in the late 1970's. Yes, in Britain. Yes, on BBC1. Yes, I am "from there". I am also female, since that undoubtedly is also frought with meaning for you, and I am a Capricorn, have black hair, and am nearly six feet tall. So I couldn't possibly be making an objective judgment, could I?


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2012-09-15 03:02:44 PM
I just want to know what the green goop was that feel on Rory in the first episode after he was beamed down to the asylum.
 
2012-09-15 03:03:49 PM
I'd also hope River's future sonic come into play very soon. Or that will be a huge inconsistency.
 
2012-09-15 03:04:02 PM

MikeSass: It is becoming impossible to describe any Dr. Who plot without using the word "again". Why is that? Because Moffatt is an unimaginative hack. A one trick pony. A dead horse beater.

There, I said it.

I stuck it out through the last season, but it was either repetitive rehashing of conflicts he has had before, or melodramatic sappy subplots that really had nothing to do with the Dr. and who he is whatsoever. I can't tolerate it anymore, and am through with it until someone else is running the show.


Okay.

/me, I just love River so more of her = awesome in my book
 
2012-09-15 03:05:09 PM
This is probably asking too much, but does anyone know what time (in EST, or GMT, whatever, I can adjust) the episode will be on iPlayer?

/exhausted, gotta take a nap
 
2012-09-15 03:09:48 PM

Pawn takes the King: I just want to know what the green goop was that feel on Rory in the first episode after he was beamed down to the asylum.


Dalek cum.

E-JAC-U-LATE! E-JAC-U-LATE!
 
2012-09-15 03:23:53 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: /me, I just love River so more of her = awesome in my book


I don't get the folks who dislike the "long game" story. I get that some of the episodes were bad, but the long story is way better than the two episodes we've gotten so far. And River is way more interesting than Amy and Rory. Too much River would be bad, I'm sure, but she's just so connected now.
 
2012-09-15 03:31:04 PM

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I suppose...a little bit. Except the actress is talented and pretty, whereas Honey-Boo-Boo is just trash
 
2012-09-15 03:31:56 PM
Not going to be around tonight so I just watched it with the BBC. Personal opinion is that it is a good episode, not quite up there with the first but beats the second. No spoilers so I'll just jump back late night to see people's thoughts and new conspiracy theories (my favorite parts of the thread).
 
2012-09-15 03:40:18 PM

MikeSass: I stuck it out through the last season, but it was either repetitive rehashing of conflicts he has had before, or melodramatic sappy subplots that really had nothing to do with the Dr. and who he is whatsoever. I can't tolerate it anymore, and am through with it until someone else is running the show.


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Well, bye
 
2012-09-15 03:44:23 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: This is probably asking too much, but does anyone know what time (in EST, or GMT, whatever, I can adjust) the episode will be on iPlayer?

/exhausted, gotta take a nap



2:35 p.m. EST, 7:35 p.m. GMT. iPlayer showed it live. The archive is up and available now.
Launch ExpatShield or whatever British proxy server you use, and go to:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mxx3h/Doctor_Who_Series_7_A_T o wn_Called_Mercy/
 
2012-09-15 03:45:16 PM
Oh, what do you know... it's up already...

Dammit. Well, screw the nap.
 
2012-09-15 03:53:18 PM
Doctor Who? Well, I guess we know now that it's John Connor.
 
2012-09-15 03:59:16 PM
Meh. This one left me unimpressed.

I should probably go back to waiting for a .avi torrent instead of using iPlayer. The periodic pauses for buffering detract from the show. This is the second week in which I've gone with the iPlayer route.

How much of my opinion of the show came from the buffering, versus the show itself, I don't know. The Western genre doesn't do much for me. Suspension of disbelief (an absolute necessity for enjoying Doctor Who) was made difficult by the English actors' accents, by a Western U.S. town in 1870 looking like everything had been weather-worn for half a century or more, and by the townsfolk having a negro as their spiritual leader.

Interestingly, two of the three episodes so far this year have had no scenes inside of the TARDIS.
 
2012-09-15 04:07:56 PM

HopScotchNSoda:
Interestingly, two of the three episodes so far this year have had no scenes inside of the TARDIS.


It's being renovated. They've got half the wallpaper up but the IKEA quantum shelving units have been causing some trouble since they keep melting out of the right dimension.
 
2012-09-15 04:14:18 PM

FunkOut: HopScotchNSoda:
Interestingly, two of the three episodes so far this year have had no scenes inside of the TARDIS.

It's being renovated. They've got half the wallpaper up but the IKEA quantum shelving units have been causing some trouble since they keep melting out of the right dimension.


Oh, blërg. Fracking blërg!
 
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