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(ZDNet)   Google to discontinue app support for IE8 after Windows 8 is released, thereby forcing millions of XP users to bite the bullet and buy Windows 8 machines, giving cash infusion to Microsoft to help them battle Google   (zdnet.com) divider line 31
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2012-09-15 11:11:58 AM
2 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?


If you work in a company, you will find metric ass-loads of legacy bloat that requires IE and is still in active use. Sharepoint, various and sundry intranet portals, ASA configuration screens, lots and lots of custom apps written in mid 2000's Active X controls. ADP Payroll app required IE to work right a few years ago; does it still?

You sitting there at home have options, in a company with software licensing and loads of business critical crap running, you don't just get to pull the plug on legacy supported sh*t all the time, not til the business owner actually wants you to migrate off it, and quite a lot of the time there's politics behind not doing that.

Do you guys even have jobs? Why is this news. Microsoft's made its stuff quite sticky in the workplace. I'm no fan of google and their rampant identify theft project known as Chrome either though.
2012-09-15 11:09:11 AM
2 votes:
When people complain about those who haven't upgraded their {OS, browser, office suite}, they're missing the core truth that people are not upgrading because the old thing works plenty well enough. In other words, the new thing isn't enough of an improvement for them to care. If "it's old" is the best reason to upgrade, then the case for upgrading is not very compelling.

/ just sayin
// typed on an iPhone 4s.
2012-09-15 11:09:08 AM
2 votes:

jake_lex:
Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.


Can't use Chrome more than half an hour on my machine without it crashing horribly. Firefox stable as a rock.
2012-09-15 10:32:57 AM
2 votes:

jake_lex: Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.


Having been forced to use Chrome this summer for slightly bizarre reasons dealing with recalcitrant servers, I still greatly prefer Firefox over Chrome, if nothing else because I hate having to keep track of my half-dozen daily visited sites by bookmarks when I can easily keep them in the dropdown bar.
2012-09-15 10:32:21 AM
2 votes:
Or they could switch to a different browser for free.

So this is only going to effect XP users that use Google Apps and cannot use any other browser then IE? Some government systems might be impacted, but only due to their archaic browser limitations.
2012-09-15 02:54:36 AM
2 votes:
There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.
2012-09-15 08:36:23 PM
1 votes:
Man, what a bad idea. It's not just XP users - do you know just HOW MANY ordinary users are still on 8? I worked as a computer tech at a store for two years up to July, and probably 80% of the systems that came in, even the Win7 systems, were still using IE8.

Normal people just don't know that Windows Update exists, and the only way they get another browser installed is if they go to download another poker game, it makes them update flash, and the download bundles Chrome with it.

An awful lot of "normal" users are going to be locked out of Google apps when they do this, and only a portion of them will be able to figure out how to run updates or install and use a different browser.

Then again, maybe they're hoping that they can just give IE8 users a Chrome download link and pick up some market share.
2012-09-15 03:49:57 PM
1 votes:

clkeagle: Well, while you spend time with add ons, configuration, layout, and behavior, Chrome users simply click on the program and access the Internet.


Sure...and they have to deal with potentially malicious scripts, ads, etc. by doing so. Sure, there's Chrome extensions, but Firefox's add-ons are a bit more mature. Nearly all of them are "install-and-forget", so it's not a big deal for the average user.

I've found that Firefox works better on my Windows 7 desktop while Chrome works better on my Xubuntu 12.04 laptop. For some reason, Firefox on Linux (and I've had this happen with *buntu/Debian, Fedora, RHEL/CentOS/SL, etc.) seems to have a barely-perceptible delay when opening/changing tabs, typing, or otherwise doing ordinary things. It drives me absolutely nuts. Chrome doesn't, which is nice. Go figure.
2012-09-15 03:40:24 PM
1 votes:

redly1: if you're still using XP.....odds are you are not using any google apps


Why not? I was supposed to purchase a Win7 upgrade for my 2.5 year old XP netbook - even though Google Apps work just fine on it? Granted I use Chrome, but that doesn't affect your comment. In fact, I'll spin yours around. Odds are that if you're heavily using Google Apps (and little else), you probably don't need a new computer every two years.
2012-09-15 03:10:44 PM
1 votes:
if you're still using XP.....odds are you are not using any google apps
2012-09-15 02:44:53 PM
1 votes:
The sooner the world finally gets away from XP the sooner PC games will lose any remaining excuses to come as 32bit apps instead of 64bit, which means no more silly ass 4GB memory mapping limitations, I'm happy about this.
2012-09-15 02:33:08 PM
1 votes:

loonatic112358: vmware session?


I set that up for a friend, he hasn't had a complaint about it yet.
2012-09-15 01:27:44 PM
1 votes:
People will likely just change to ff or chrome. This is what I did with my win2k laptop last year when msft stopped supporting that os with ie.
2012-09-15 01:05:43 PM
1 votes:

BolloxReader: So has anyone figured out how to play all those xp games like Diablo 2 and Starcraft on Windows 7 without paying for the Professional upgrade for XP compatibility mode? Last time I searched for a workaround nobody seemed to have an answer. I'm not upgrading my desktop until I know I can play my games without paying Microsoft's gamer extortion fee.


Turn UAC all the way off. That seems to fix everything for my older games. If that doesn't fix it, right click on the executable, and set it to be an XP executable. If that doesn't fix it, you're out of luck.
2012-09-15 12:50:25 PM
1 votes:
So has anyone figured out how to play all those xp games like Diablo 2 and Starcraft on Windows 7 without paying for the Professional upgrade for XP compatibility mode? Last time I searched for a workaround nobody seemed to have an answer. I'm not upgrading my desktop until I know I can play my games without paying Microsoft's gamer extortion fee.
2012-09-15 12:24:16 PM
1 votes:
Sigh. My computer at work runs XP and IE8. Our timeclock/payroll site (ADP) still requires Java 5 to operate. We use Google Docs and Calendar daily.

I wish we could get new machines, but we'll probably be told to load Chrome before 11/15 and keep IE for everything else.
2012-09-15 11:59:10 AM
1 votes:
We are inked into deals with vendors that don't even support IE 8 yet. It's sad, and it confuses me how developers are this lazy, but they are and that's how business runs in healthcare.
2012-09-15 11:57:23 AM
1 votes:

Hand Banana: Yes because let's forget that Windows 7 exists. Besides Windows XP is farking old and needs to go away.

/who uses Google apps anyway?


XP: the choice for poor and homeless people, who can often get it for free.

(Typing this on an "obsolete" Dell Latitude loaded with XP and found in the Orange city hall trash, now using a still-shrink-wrapped copy of Office 2003 Professional found in the Santa Ana PD trash.)
2012-09-15 11:25:51 AM
1 votes:
On every one of these browser threads, I read where people just loveloveLOVE Chrome and hate Firefox. Sometimes people talk about "memory leaks" and other problems, but in nearly ten years of using Firefox, I have never experienced a problem not related to flash or Java or a buggy site itself.

On my machine, I have Firefox configured to where the very top 3/4" are the tabs, navigation, url bar, and search bar. This area also matches my system default color (a nice, dusty teal). This area used to be a rather nice image of the Seattle skyline (and still is on my girl's machine). On the bottom is the usual MS start button and Quick Start stuff. No other browser gives me that much real estate without having to go into Full Screen mode.

I have the NoScript, AdBlock, MAFIAAFire Redirector, AutoPager. and NoSquint addons. When I launch FireFox, my Fast Dial page with icons representing my usual favorites is what I see first. Though it looks a bit like what Chrome gives you, Fast Dial can be customized to display specific font colors, font sizes, background colors, hover behaviors, etc.

Finally, I can go into Firefox via about:config and tweak behaviors, try out things, etc.

So why exactly is Chrome such a big deal? What am I missing.
2012-09-15 11:11:09 AM
1 votes:
This of course pretty much rules out Google Apps from large portions of the business market, which don't allow non-IE browsers and will be stuck on IE8 for years to come, but I guess a small company like Google can't afford the expense of developing and testing against as many as four or five different browsers/versions.
2012-09-15 11:11:01 AM
1 votes:
I use XP cause my machine can't use anything better and i cannot afford a new machine now or in the possible new future with the possible exception of selling a kidney for the money (being unemployed sucks ass).
Good thing i still use FF and/or chrome. FF drags my system down something horrible, so i mostly chrome except when i need to DL a vid somewhere with Ant Video Downloader.
2012-09-15 10:59:15 AM
1 votes:
I don't think there's a lot of people who are using Windows XP while also using IE8 only for Google plugins. Most people still using XP are either geeks running it in a VM, dinosaurs who won't update because it's fine and eff Microsoft anyway, or people whose children have already switched them to a better browser to lighten their PC-repair workload
2012-09-15 10:54:26 AM
1 votes:
Yes because let's forget that Windows 7 exists. Besides Windows XP is farking old and needs to go away.

/who uses Google apps anyway?
2012-09-15 10:53:23 AM
1 votes:

Robots are Strong: GAT_00: jake_lex: Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.

Having been forced to use Chrome this summer for slightly bizarre reasons dealing with recalcitrant servers, I still greatly prefer Firefox over Chrome, if nothing else because I hate having to keep track of my half-dozen daily visited sites by bookmarks when I can easily keep them in the dropdown bar.

I'm not sure i follow. When you open a new tab/window in chrome it should show you your most commonly visited 8 sites in the middle of the window, no?


I tried that in FF for a while. Annoyed me, and I couldn't figure out how to get half the sites back when I accidentally canceled them from the list.
2012-09-15 10:50:14 AM
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?


I have two apps at work that will only work with IE. Otherwise it's Firefox for me. The fun part, is one of them biatches that it requires IE 5.5 or better....when I load it in IE 8. Compatibility mode works. But it's stupid as hell.
2012-09-15 10:33:03 AM
1 votes:
Wait, people use Internet Explorer?
2012-09-15 10:32:09 AM
1 votes:
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2012-09-15 10:13:11 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Kittypie070: There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.

I've found Chrome can do easier and quicker translations of foreign language websites than any app I've found in Firefox, so there is that in it's favor.


Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.

Though I'm both amused and annoyed at the fact there seems to be an update quite literally every day.
2012-09-15 10:06:43 AM
1 votes:

Kittypie070: There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.


I've found Chrome can do easier and quicker translations of foreign language websites than any app I've found in Firefox, so there is that in it's favor.
2012-09-15 03:23:38 AM
1 votes:
Oh CRAP!! How'd I miss Gmail!?

Well, I'm using Palemoon so nyah nyah double dumbass on you, Googs.
2012-09-15 02:29:32 AM
1 votes:
They simply want to push everyone to use Chrome.
 
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