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(ZDNet)   Google to discontinue app support for IE8 after Windows 8 is released, thereby forcing millions of XP users to bite the bullet and buy Windows 8 machines, giving cash infusion to Microsoft to help them battle Google   (zdnet.com) divider line 72
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2012-09-15 02:29:32 AM
They simply want to push everyone to use Chrome.
 
2012-09-15 02:54:36 AM
There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.
 
2012-09-15 03:23:38 AM
Oh CRAP!! How'd I miss Gmail!?

Well, I'm using Palemoon so nyah nyah double dumbass on you, Googs.
 
2012-09-15 09:33:56 AM
I can live without Google.
 
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2012-09-15 09:36:06 AM
But I can still use IE6, right?
 
2012-09-15 10:06:43 AM

Kittypie070: There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.


I've found Chrome can do easier and quicker translations of foreign language websites than any app I've found in Firefox, so there is that in it's favor.
 
2012-09-15 10:13:11 AM

GAT_00: Kittypie070: There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.

I've found Chrome can do easier and quicker translations of foreign language websites than any app I've found in Firefox, so there is that in it's favor.


Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.

Though I'm both amused and annoyed at the fact there seems to be an update quite literally every day.
 
2012-09-15 10:32:09 AM
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2012-09-15 10:32:21 AM
Or they could switch to a different browser for free.

So this is only going to effect XP users that use Google Apps and cannot use any other browser then IE? Some government systems might be impacted, but only due to their archaic browser limitations.
 
2012-09-15 10:32:57 AM

jake_lex: Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.


Having been forced to use Chrome this summer for slightly bizarre reasons dealing with recalcitrant servers, I still greatly prefer Firefox over Chrome, if nothing else because I hate having to keep track of my half-dozen daily visited sites by bookmarks when I can easily keep them in the dropdown bar.
 
2012-09-15 10:33:03 AM
Wait, people use Internet Explorer?
 
2012-09-15 10:38:49 AM

GAT_00: jake_lex: Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.

Having been forced to use Chrome this summer for slightly bizarre reasons dealing with recalcitrant servers, I still greatly prefer Firefox over Chrome, if nothing else because I hate having to keep track of my half-dozen daily visited sites by bookmarks when I can easily keep them in the dropdown bar.


I'm not sure i follow. When you open a new tab/window in chrome it should show you your most commonly visited 8 sites in the middle of the window, no?
 
2012-09-15 10:50:14 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?


I have two apps at work that will only work with IE. Otherwise it's Firefox for me. The fun part, is one of them biatches that it requires IE 5.5 or better....when I load it in IE 8. Compatibility mode works. But it's stupid as hell.
 
2012-09-15 10:53:23 AM

Robots are Strong: GAT_00: jake_lex: Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.

Having been forced to use Chrome this summer for slightly bizarre reasons dealing with recalcitrant servers, I still greatly prefer Firefox over Chrome, if nothing else because I hate having to keep track of my half-dozen daily visited sites by bookmarks when I can easily keep them in the dropdown bar.

I'm not sure i follow. When you open a new tab/window in chrome it should show you your most commonly visited 8 sites in the middle of the window, no?


I tried that in FF for a while. Annoyed me, and I couldn't figure out how to get half the sites back when I accidentally canceled them from the list.
 
2012-09-15 10:53:55 AM
I like Firefox.
I love Chrome.
I will work with Safari.
I boggle at Opera.
I tolerate IE

On the other hand.... I may well dance a little jig when Windows XP market share drops below 1%.
 
2012-09-15 10:54:26 AM
Yes because let's forget that Windows 7 exists. Besides Windows XP is farking old and needs to go away.

/who uses Google apps anyway?
 
2012-09-15 10:59:15 AM
I don't think there's a lot of people who are using Windows XP while also using IE8 only for Google plugins. Most people still using XP are either geeks running it in a VM, dinosaurs who won't update because it's fine and eff Microsoft anyway, or people whose children have already switched them to a better browser to lighten their PC-repair workload
 
2012-09-15 11:09:08 AM

jake_lex:
Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.


Can't use Chrome more than half an hour on my machine without it crashing horribly. Firefox stable as a rock.
 
2012-09-15 11:09:11 AM
When people complain about those who haven't upgraded their {OS, browser, office suite}, they're missing the core truth that people are not upgrading because the old thing works plenty well enough. In other words, the new thing isn't enough of an improvement for them to care. If "it's old" is the best reason to upgrade, then the case for upgrading is not very compelling.

/ just sayin
// typed on an iPhone 4s.
 
2012-09-15 11:11:01 AM
I use XP cause my machine can't use anything better and i cannot afford a new machine now or in the possible new future with the possible exception of selling a kidney for the money (being unemployed sucks ass).
Good thing i still use FF and/or chrome. FF drags my system down something horrible, so i mostly chrome except when i need to DL a vid somewhere with Ant Video Downloader.
 
2012-09-15 11:11:09 AM
This of course pretty much rules out Google Apps from large portions of the business market, which don't allow non-IE browsers and will be stuck on IE8 for years to come, but I guess a small company like Google can't afford the expense of developing and testing against as many as four or five different browsers/versions.
 
2012-09-15 11:11:58 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?


If you work in a company, you will find metric ass-loads of legacy bloat that requires IE and is still in active use. Sharepoint, various and sundry intranet portals, ASA configuration screens, lots and lots of custom apps written in mid 2000's Active X controls. ADP Payroll app required IE to work right a few years ago; does it still?

You sitting there at home have options, in a company with software licensing and loads of business critical crap running, you don't just get to pull the plug on legacy supported sh*t all the time, not til the business owner actually wants you to migrate off it, and quite a lot of the time there's politics behind not doing that.

Do you guys even have jobs? Why is this news. Microsoft's made its stuff quite sticky in the workplace. I'm no fan of google and their rampant identify theft project known as Chrome either though.
 
2012-09-15 11:25:51 AM
On every one of these browser threads, I read where people just loveloveLOVE Chrome and hate Firefox. Sometimes people talk about "memory leaks" and other problems, but in nearly ten years of using Firefox, I have never experienced a problem not related to flash or Java or a buggy site itself.

On my machine, I have Firefox configured to where the very top 3/4" are the tabs, navigation, url bar, and search bar. This area also matches my system default color (a nice, dusty teal). This area used to be a rather nice image of the Seattle skyline (and still is on my girl's machine). On the bottom is the usual MS start button and Quick Start stuff. No other browser gives me that much real estate without having to go into Full Screen mode.

I have the NoScript, AdBlock, MAFIAAFire Redirector, AutoPager. and NoSquint addons. When I launch FireFox, my Fast Dial page with icons representing my usual favorites is what I see first. Though it looks a bit like what Chrome gives you, Fast Dial can be customized to display specific font colors, font sizes, background colors, hover behaviors, etc.

Finally, I can go into Firefox via about:config and tweak behaviors, try out things, etc.

So why exactly is Chrome such a big deal? What am I missing.
 
2012-09-15 11:29:26 AM

Generation_D: Do you guys even have jobs?


*shrugs*, I guess I just have a job in a place that doesn't suffer the problems you're describing.
 
2012-09-15 11:33:28 AM
IE9 has been out quite awhile and is much better than IE8 (but I hate IE in general). For most people on Win7, they should have IE9.

Firefox suits most of my needs (there are add-ons I absolutely rely on).
 
2012-09-15 11:34:30 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?


Yes, quite a few actually. How did you not know this?
 
2012-09-15 11:35:57 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?


People still have XP? That's been obsolete for a while now and since 7 came out we have no need for it.
 
2012-09-15 11:38:12 AM

IntertubeUser: So why exactly is Chrome such a big deal? What am I missing.


Firefox ... 2.0 I think it was - had an awful memory leak issue before they instituted a garbage collection subroutine. It would not be unusual for it to take all 2 gigs of RAM and 99% of CPU processing power to display static text. I stayed on 1.5 as long as I could and then split it with Chrome. I'm back on firefox now that they've got it working.

If that was the only exposure you had to firefox, one would naturally assume all versions of it sucked just as mightily.

Strangely, I'm having the same problems with Chrome now on my other machine.
 
2012-09-15 11:40:23 AM

LDM90: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?

Yes, quite a few actually. How did you not know this?


Because I've never actually witnessed it.
 
2012-09-15 11:41:48 AM
what, they can't go to ie9?

This post coming to you via the opera browser
 
2012-09-15 11:42:40 AM

Kittypie070: There's always DuckDuckGo, IxQuick and Startpage.

I will never put Chrome on any of my machines.


go to opera
 
2012-09-15 11:46:55 AM

Generation_D: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?

If you work in a company, you will find metric ass-loads of legacy bloat that requires IE and is still in active use. Sharepoint, various and sundry intranet portals, ASA configuration screens, lots and lots of custom apps written in mid 2000's Active X controls. ADP Payroll app required IE to work right a few years ago; does it still?

You sitting there at home have options, in a company with software licensing and loads of business critical crap running, you don't just get to pull the plug on legacy supported sh*t all the time, not til the business owner actually wants you to migrate off it, and quite a lot of the time there's politics behind not doing that.

Do you guys even have jobs? Why is this news. Microsoft's made its stuff quite sticky in the workplace. I'm no fan of google and their rampant identify theft project known as Chrome either though.


Sure, and some of us are even government contractors. At work (at our HQ, not DOE) I'm usually either running Red Hat Linux, Ubuntu, or Solaris (with a Win Machine on the side). Everything works fine in FF. My DOE machine is running XP, but, everything works with Firefox (EERE Usability guidelines require all sites to work in IE8+, FF3.6+, Chrome and Safari).
 
2012-09-15 11:57:23 AM

Hand Banana: Yes because let's forget that Windows 7 exists. Besides Windows XP is farking old and needs to go away.

/who uses Google apps anyway?


XP: the choice for poor and homeless people, who can often get it for free.

(Typing this on an "obsolete" Dell Latitude loaded with XP and found in the Orange city hall trash, now using a still-shrink-wrapped copy of Office 2003 Professional found in the Santa Ana PD trash.)
 
2012-09-15 11:59:10 AM
We are inked into deals with vendors that don't even support IE 8 yet. It's sad, and it confuses me how developers are this lazy, but they are and that's how business runs in healthcare.
 
2012-09-15 12:10:34 PM

Generation_D: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?

If you work in a company, you will find metric ass-loads of legacy bloat that requires IE and is still in active use. Sharepoint, various and sundry intranet portals, ASA configuration screens, lots and lots of custom apps written in mid 2000's Active X controls. ADP Payroll app required IE to work right a few years ago; does it still?

You sitting there at home have options, in a company with software licensing and loads of business critical crap running, you don't just get to pull the plug on legacy supported sh*t all the time, not til the business owner actually wants you to migrate off it, and quite a lot of the time there's politics behind not doing that.

Do you guys even have jobs? Why is this news. Microsoft's made its stuff quite sticky in the workplace. I'm no fan of google and their rampant identify theft project known as Chrome either though.


I've been using comodo dragon (chrome), which they claim has all of the google tracking crap pulled out of it.

Of course, not being a tech guy, I have no idea if that is true or not. Does anybody have an opionion one way or another on that claim?
 
2012-09-15 12:22:24 PM

Generation_D: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wait, people use Internet Explorer?

If you work in a company, you will find metric ass-loads of legacy bloat that requires IE and is still in active use. Sharepoint, various and sundry intranet portals, ASA configuration screens, lots and lots of custom apps written in mid 2000's Active X controls. ADP Payroll app required IE to work right a few years ago; does it still?

You sitting there at home have options, in a company with software licensing and loads of business critical crap running, you don't just get to pull the plug on legacy supported sh*t all the time, not til the business owner actually wants you to migrate off it, and quite a lot of the time there's politics behind not doing that.

Do you guys even have jobs? Why is this news. Microsoft's made its stuff quite sticky in the workplace. I'm no fan of google and their rampant identify theft project known as Chrome either though.


It's not identity theft, there's not a google ai pretending to be you

it's data tracking, which google's just one of the comapnies doing it

BTW, do you have a facebook acct?
 
2012-09-15 12:22:38 PM

loonatic112358: what, they can't go to ie9?

This post coming to you via the opera browser


XP doesn't support it. I think it was a ploy to make those lazy enough to still run XP upgrade to something else.
 
2012-09-15 12:24:16 PM
Sigh. My computer at work runs XP and IE8. Our timeclock/payroll site (ADP) still requires Java 5 to operate. We use Google Docs and Calendar daily.

I wish we could get new machines, but we'll probably be told to load Chrome before 11/15 and keep IE for everything else.
 
2012-09-15 12:50:25 PM
So has anyone figured out how to play all those xp games like Diablo 2 and Starcraft on Windows 7 without paying for the Professional upgrade for XP compatibility mode? Last time I searched for a workaround nobody seemed to have an answer. I'm not upgrading my desktop until I know I can play my games without paying Microsoft's gamer extortion fee.
 
2012-09-15 01:03:43 PM

BolloxReader: So has anyone figured out how to play all those xp games like Diablo 2 and Starcraft on Windows 7 without paying for the Professional upgrade for XP compatibility mode? Last time I searched for a workaround nobody seemed to have an answer. I'm not upgrading my desktop until I know I can play my games without paying Microsoft's gamer extortion fee.


vmware session?
 
2012-09-15 01:05:43 PM

BolloxReader: So has anyone figured out how to play all those xp games like Diablo 2 and Starcraft on Windows 7 without paying for the Professional upgrade for XP compatibility mode? Last time I searched for a workaround nobody seemed to have an answer. I'm not upgrading my desktop until I know I can play my games without paying Microsoft's gamer extortion fee.


Turn UAC all the way off. That seems to fix everything for my older games. If that doesn't fix it, right click on the executable, and set it to be an XP executable. If that doesn't fix it, you're out of luck.
 
2012-09-15 01:08:56 PM
Chromium + Auto Updater > *
 
2012-09-15 01:27:44 PM
People will likely just change to ff or chrome. This is what I did with my win2k laptop last year when msft stopped supporting that os with ie.
 
2012-09-15 01:30:40 PM

albert71292: jake_lex:
Chrome has been clearly superior to Firefox for quite a while now.

Can't use Chrome more than half an hour on my machine without it crashing horribly. Firefox stable as a rock.


I have the exact opposite experience. FF exhibits a memory leak that kills it every few hours.
 
2012-09-15 01:37:35 PM

IntertubeUser: On every one of these browser threads, I read where people just loveloveLOVE Chrome and hate Firefox. Sometimes people talk about "memory leaks" and other problems, but in nearly ten years of using Firefox, I have never experienced a problem not related to flash or Java or a buggy site itself.

On my machine, I have Firefox configured to where the very top 3/4" are the tabs, navigation, url bar, and search bar. This area also matches my system default color (a nice, dusty teal). This area used to be a rather nice image of the Seattle skyline (and still is on my girl's machine). On the bottom is the usual MS start button and Quick Start stuff. No other browser gives me that much real estate without having to go into Full Screen mode.

I have the NoScript, AdBlock, MAFIAAFire Redirector, AutoPager. and NoSquint addons. When I launch FireFox, my Fast Dial page with icons representing my usual favorites is what I see first. Though it looks a bit like what Chrome gives you, Fast Dial can be customized to display specific font colors, font sizes, background colors, hover behaviors, etc.

Finally, I can go into Firefox via about:config and tweak behaviors, try out things, etc.

So why exactly is Chrome such a big deal? What am I missing.


Well, while you spend time with add ons, configuration, layout, and behavior, Chrome users simply click on the program and access the Internet.

Your post reminds me of the difference between Linux users and Windows and Mac users:

Linux users like to work ON computers.
The rest of us like to WORK on computers.
 
2012-09-15 01:46:50 PM
I can live without Firefox's agile development cycle.
 
2012-09-15 01:57:09 PM

BolloxReader: So has anyone figured out how to play all those xp games like Diablo 2 and Starcraft on Windows 7 without paying for the Professional upgrade for XP compatibility mode? Last time I searched for a workaround nobody seemed to have an answer. I'm not upgrading my desktop until I know I can play my games without paying Microsoft's gamer extortion fee.


Compatibility mode is included in Win7 home editions (all editions if I'm not mistaken).

You're referring to XP mode which is an XP VM running under Virtual PC.

If you need to run a VM use VMware Player, it's free.

I was able to run both StarCraft and Diablo without setting up a VM, but YMMV.
 
2012-09-15 02:33:08 PM

loonatic112358: vmware session?


I set that up for a friend, he hasn't had a complaint about it yet.
 
2012-09-15 02:44:53 PM
The sooner the world finally gets away from XP the sooner PC games will lose any remaining excuses to come as 32bit apps instead of 64bit, which means no more silly ass 4GB memory mapping limitations, I'm happy about this.
 
2012-09-15 03:10:44 PM
if you're still using XP.....odds are you are not using any google apps
 
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