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2012-09-15 02:35:53 AM  
One thing the Wii U needs to know about me: I'm not buying one.
 
2012-09-15 02:58:10 AM  

Crudbucket: One thing the Wii U needs to know about me: I'm not buying one.


Your loss. Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade is easily the best launch title for any game console ever.
 
2012-09-15 10:06:41 AM  
Hey! I came here for the 50 launch titties. Where are my 50 launch titties?
 
2012-09-15 10:19:59 AM  
$300 so I can play Mario/Pikmin/Sonic & All-Stars Racing in 1080p? No.

I love those games, but in the end, they're cartoony fun. I've got all the resolution I need, thanks.
 
2012-09-15 10:25:41 AM  
Sorry Nintendo, tablets have removed any chance for your success outside of Japan.
 
2012-09-15 10:25:56 AM  
#6: After those 50 launch titles hit, there won't be a major game released for 3 years.
 
2012-09-15 10:34:42 AM  
Wiiiii u, that stinks.
 
2012-09-15 10:36:09 AM  
Sony and Microsoft need to get their shiat together and make a next-gen console soon. This generation seems to have gone on for too long and I reckon the Wii U, if popular, will prolong and already long generation. PC gaming on high specs feels at least half a generation ahead.
 
2012-09-15 10:43:12 AM  
Cool, no Zelda game means I just saved 300 eurobucks.
 
2012-09-15 10:44:24 AM  
Now that the L33t gamerzz have chimed in, do any actual people have an opinion on the basic set vs the premium set?

Is $50 worth:

1. An extra 24G of flash memory
2. "Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade"
3. Stands
4. Charger stand for the tablet
5. Discounts on downloads

I'm thinking a 32G SD card is $20 on Amazon now, and will come down later, but the old Wii prefers things to not be on the SD card.
And that charger stand will help the big tablet from going missing -- it'll be easier to get a nine-year-old to put it on the stand.
 
2012-09-15 10:50:39 AM  

loser0: Now that the L33t gamerzz have chimed in, do any actual people have an opinion on the basic set vs the premium set?

Is $50 worth:

1. An extra 24G of flash memory
2. "Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade"
3. Stands
4. Charger stand for the tablet
5. Discounts on downloads

I'm thinking a 32G SD card is $20 on Amazon now, and will come down later, but the old Wii prefers things to not be on the SD card.
And that charger stand will help the big tablet from going missing -- it'll be easier to get a nine-year-old to put it on the stand.


1 and 3 are irrelevant to me, but as someone who ended up buying more games via DLC than full-fledged titles this past year, I think the other three are worth the ~$10-$20 investment once you take the pack-in game out of the equation.
 
2012-09-15 10:53:51 AM  
Eh... Nintendo like always is going to kill the average person with peripheral spam. Basic model is 300 doesnt include a charger for the gamepad. that will run you at the least another 50 at which point youre up to the 350 price point of the deluxe model that includes it but also includes more memory and a sub to their online model (which judging by past efforts buy nintendo will be over priced and terrible) If you want to play with anyone else, which has been the general marketing point and appeal of nintendo consoles these past 2 generations (though theyve moved away from it some with this one) you have to buy more controllers which conservatively ups the price to 450. at this point youre about 50 bucks away from the next gen consoles that sony and ms are offering (assuming they learned their lesson last time around and dont come out of the gate overcharging for their product and losing sales as a result) which will have 5 times the development potential.

Sure there are a couple assumptions there but it seems pretty cut and dry to me. It wont be the runaway hit that the wii was BECAUSE its more of a real console this time around and less of a toy. It will have a few absolutely essential titles that real games will buy it for.
 
2012-09-15 11:02:26 AM  
Shovelware is nothing new for the Wii. How many of those 50 titles will not suck?
 
2012-09-15 11:03:59 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Crudbucket: One thing the Wii U needs to know about me: I'm not buying one.

Your loss. Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade is easily the best launch title for any game console ever.


I was snickering at your wonderful mockery of the shovelware crap the Wii was inundated with, then serious'd when I checked to discover that is an actual game that will be released. Jesus wept. I'm on the side of "fun" games no matter what the graphics, but they need to stop this Action 52 "how many sub-par flash minigames can we stuff on a disc." When I see those numbers I see Space Invaders (112 variations)
 
2012-09-15 11:17:15 AM  
I'm just glad that it looks like the Pro controller will be a much more comfortable controller than than current Classic controller plugged into a Wiimote or the terrible sideways-Wiimote.

I'm happy they're maintaining compatibility with Wii hardware and software, but would have been thrilled if they included Gamecube support, maybe with an optional USB dongle to use the Gamecube controllers.

I think the hard part for Nintendo will be distinguishing the Wii U from the Wii for most buyers. The console looks like just a slight revision of the Wii, and it utilizes all of the same peripherals, aside from the Tablet. As much potential as there is for tablet gameplay, I don't really want to play Mario holding a damn iPad in my hands.
 
2012-09-15 11:18:10 AM  

TheOriginalEd: Eh... Nintendo like always is going to kill the average person with peripheral spam. Basic model is 300 doesnt include a charger for the gamepad. that will run you at the least another 50 at which point youre up to the 350 price point of the deluxe model that includes it but also includes more memory and a sub to their online model (which judging by past efforts buy nintendo will be over priced and terrible) If you want to play with anyone else, which has been the general marketing point and appeal of nintendo consoles these past 2 generations (though theyve moved away from it some with this one) you have to buy more controllers which conservatively ups the price to 450. at this point youre about 50 bucks away from the next gen consoles that sony and ms are offering (assuming they learned their lesson last time around and dont come out of the gate overcharging for their product and losing sales as a result) which will have 5 times the development potential.


It'll fail because very few people are going to put down $450 (~ £360) for a console, when they can buy a Media Centre PC for the same money and then play Steam.
 
2012-09-15 11:23:37 AM  

TheOriginalEd: Basic model is 300 doesnt include a charger for the gamepad


It has a charger -- the premium model has a better charger.
 
2012-09-15 11:24:45 AM  

NeoCortex42: maybe with an optional USB dongle to use the Gamecube controllers.


Hell, I want one of those for my PC!
 
2012-09-15 11:26:39 AM  

farkeruk: It'll fail because very few people are going to put down $450 (~ £360) for a console, when they can buy a Media Centre PC for the same money and then play Steam.


Did these people by PS3s?

Not that I don't agree that it's overpriced...

/can't buy one at launch because I'm getting a new clutch instead.
 
2012-09-15 11:30:12 AM  
I probably will buy one but I will wait for it to decline in price. I am not in a big hurry.
 
2012-09-15 11:30:40 AM  

loser0: farkeruk: It'll fail because very few people are going to put down $450 (~ £360) for a console, when they can buy a Media Centre PC for the same money and then play Steam.

Did these people by PS3s?

Not that I don't agree that it's overpriced...

/can't buy one at launch because I'm getting a new clutch instead.


At least the PS3 was a huge step up from the PS2. Plus it came around at the right time to get picked up by people that also wanted a Blu-Ray player. As a Blu-Ray player, it was somewhat expensive, but also had the advantage of being supported with updates for a whole lot longer than other dedicated players.

The Wii U (aside from the tablet) is what the Wii should have been when it launched.
 
2012-09-15 11:32:19 AM  
Oh and I heard that the next dragon quest is going to be released for this and will be an MMORPG. Does anyone know if there has been any important news about that?
 
2012-09-15 11:34:26 AM  
Is the page farked? I can't get it to load
 
2012-09-15 11:35:50 AM  

NeoCortex42: people that also wanted a Blu-Ray player


Truth. The difference now is that you can get a blu-ray player for $60 -- which is why I ignore the whiners that complain that it can't play DVDs. Now that streaming and downloads are the way to go, then Nintendo has to get hooked in to that -- which they appear to be doing. I know my parents only bought a Wii to watch Netflix on.

If that TVii can control my TiVo and let me watch TiVo from the other room then I definitely want one.
 
2012-09-15 11:36:45 AM  

Gergesa: Oh and I heard that the next dragon quest is going to be released for this and will be an MMORPG. Does anyone know if there has been any important news about that?


An MMO on a Nintendo console? That sounds like a horrible idea.

Even their announced console community features have all dialog going through a human filter department and take on average half-an-hour to post. I don't know if Nintendo would open the child-proof gates enough for an MMO to actually function.
 
2012-09-15 11:37:19 AM  
As someone who initially loved the Wii, but grew bored with it after a year and hasn't even so much as turned the power on in more than three years, I'm not buying this one. I still can't manage to force myself to finish No More Heroes, because that would mean turning on the Wii, finding batteries for one of the controllers, going through the updates, trying to remember where the hell I was in the game, then struggling with the absolutely horrible controls forced on me by that terrible Wiimote.

Wireless controllers are fine. Motion controls are bunk. Lack of physical feedback makes the entire exercise pointless. Shove it, Nintendo.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:33 AM  

loser0: NeoCortex42: people that also wanted a Blu-Ray player

Truth. The difference now is that you can get a blu-ray player for $60 -- which is why I ignore the whiners that complain that it can't play DVDs. Now that streaming and downloads are the way to go, then Nintendo has to get hooked in to that -- which they appear to be doing. I know my parents only bought a Wii to watch Netflix on.

If that TVii can control my TiVo and let me watch TiVo from the other room then I definitely want one.


You can get a usable Blu-Ray player for $60, but the PS3 is still one of the best ones available since it's constantly updated. I had a relatively early Blu-Ray player that cost a couple hundred dollars at the time. Now it's basically a doorstop because Philips stopped releasing software updates and the copy-protection on releases from the past few years makes a lot of movies completely unplayable on it.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:36 AM  
I would buy in for this:
art.penny-arcade.com

/if I had friends.
 
2012-09-15 11:58:32 AM  

loser0: Did these people by PS3s?

Not that I don't agree that it's overpriced...


But media centre PCs just weren't particularly powerful back then, cost a lot more than a PS3 and we hadn't really sorted out what was happening about TV connectors.
 
2012-09-15 12:13:29 PM  
Doesn't "launch title" mean that it's in stores on the same day as the system? Not that it's released before March.
 
2012-09-15 12:25:31 PM  
Im just going to do what I always do when new video game systems come out. Wait for the Wii U to arrive so I can finally buy a wii for jackshiat on the dollar at the local pawnshop.

All so I can play Xenoblade Chronicles and Mad World. And that is seriously sad I cannot think of another game worth playing on it (thou I know im missing some)
 
2012-09-15 12:59:42 PM  
The wii U has potential, but so did the wii. The Wii, by and large, never hit that potential.

I'm taking a wait and see stance this time around. I want to see how their online network works out, and if it's as good as PSN and XBL. Also want to see if games use the tablet for any good use, outside of menu replacement.

Part of me also wants to see what MS and Sony bring to the table, and we should have a clear idea on them in the next year.
 
2012-09-15 01:11:32 PM  
You can buy it now on ebay for $600 - $900. It doesn't ship until November. I'd love it if the people selling these were unable to get one.
 
2012-09-15 01:48:05 PM  
I'd buy just about any console if a new Fire Emblem game was a launch title.
 
2012-09-15 02:21:25 PM  
Wii won over people because it was cheap and it had a lot of family games. However no serious gamer would ever consider one.

Wii U makes a ton of mistakes that will kill it.

1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

2) The tablet controller is actually not going to be used by people in traditional games cause its clunky and heavy.

3) Most of launch games look to be new titles on small development time or existing titles ported over. NONE of which have had any visual make over.

have fun with that
 
2012-09-15 02:28:40 PM  
I'm about gimmicked out, thanks.

I've thought the 'tablet as a controller' was retarded from the anouncement. But I'm guessing I'm not the target audience any more. Maybe kids will love it or something, I don't know. I just don't care enough to even summon faux rage about it.
 
2012-09-15 02:36:22 PM  
Most games will only allow one tablet controller at most (requiring two will be prohibitively expensive). Any multiplayer games that use the tablet will therefore have to feature one guy with the tablet and the rest with standard controllers.

So for every innovating and exciting game produced for the Wii U, we'll probably end up with two dozen variations of:
i.testfreaks.com
 
2012-09-15 02:43:31 PM  

JeffMD:
1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.


Eh? Got some specs on any of that? Also, $40 difference from the original at release
 
2012-09-15 03:11:25 PM  

NeoCortex42: . Now it's basically a doorstop because Philips stopped releasing software updates and the copy-protection on releases from the past few years makes a lot of movies completely unplayable on it.


This is why I avoided the blu-ray format entirely. People insisted it wouldn't happen, but here we are, and it's just 'another one of those gripes'.
 
2012-09-15 03:17:31 PM  
I'm in for one, I really appreciate that they're letting you bring forward all your Wiimotes to use with this one rather then try and get you to re-buy them all again. Kind of annoying you can't watch blurays or stream networked media files on it but that's what our media PC is for. Meanwhile the PS3 continues to gather more dust, I turned it on the other day to see if there were any demos worth trying and after waiting 20 minutes for the updates to do their thing I just turned it off (yes, midway through downloading them, oh no!)...and I'm unlikely to ever turn it on again. Why do we have a media PC for streaming network content and blurays when we have a PS3 you may ask? Because I got really tired of the PS3's mandatory increasingly crippled updates that take forever and then being either unable to play a file or helpfully disabling the sound via cinavia because it assumes my personal ripped backups are pirated. Fark Sony.
 
2012-09-15 03:42:35 PM  

loser0: Now that the L33t gamerzz have chimed in, do any actual people have an opinion on the basic set vs the premium set?

Is $50 worth:

1. An extra 24G of flash memory
2. "Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade"
3. Stands
4. Charger stand for the tablet
5. Discounts on downloads

I'm thinking a 32G SD card is $20 on Amazon now, and will come down later, but the old Wii prefers things to not be on the SD card.
And that charger stand will help the big tablet from going missing -- it'll be easier to get a nine-year-old to put it on the stand.


Everyone I know who is planning on buying it is going for the deluxe. For an extra $50 it seems like a good deal, plus the discount on downloads last for quite a long time. Plus 8gig flash seems pretty small.

I'm not getting one. Not because I'm a l33t gam3r or anything, I just have a backlog a mile long for the current systems. There's nothing the system does that looks interesting to me, and the launch titles have no estimate of when they're actually going to be release aside from hopefully within 5 months of the console release. I'm sure they'll get me later on with a Mario or Zelda title because I'm a sucker, but nothing showed looked very different than what is currently out now.
 
2012-09-15 04:02:35 PM  
50 launch titles, yes, but most are cross-platform ports. That's still not too shabby, but c'man.


//In two years, it will cost 100$, and all the games worth playing will be 15$ used.
 
2012-09-15 04:03:36 PM  

JeffMD: Wii won over people because it was cheap and it had a lot of family games. However no serious gamer would ever consider one.

Wii U makes a ton of mistakes that will kill it.

1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

2) The tablet controller is actually not going to be used by people in traditional games cause its clunky and heavy.

3) Most of launch games look to be new titles on small development time or existing titles ported over. NONE of which have had any visual make over.

have fun with that


upload.wikimedia.org

Big controller killing a system? Impossibru!
 
2012-09-15 04:07:42 PM  

Spartapuss: JeffMD:
1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

Eh? Got some specs on any of that? Also, $40 difference from the original at release


No. He doesn't. If he does, it means he's got a devkit and thus if he so much as speaks his blood will boil and he won't die; love those NDA's. However around the time the 'leaked' PS4 specs (you remember the one, where it was a low-endAMD processor and a low end ATi card?) minor news sites started a rumour that the WiiU wasn't more potent than a 360.

OTOH Nintendo are saying it'll do 1080p, present 360 quality GFX at that resolution and have more RAM than a 360. Which, realistically, is all anybody really wants at this point: including developers who are already having to shutter if a game doesn't sell well due to how farking much it costs to make them.
 
2012-09-15 04:27:32 PM  
/fires up hacked Wii
 
2012-09-15 04:52:13 PM  
This is a console I really hope fails. Nintendo has been making the same rehashed content for years and overcharging for underpowered half baked hardware. Consumers are weak minded though and will continually reward shiatty behavior from a company as long as the memories are good enough from a dozen years ago.
 
2012-09-15 04:59:37 PM  
There is only one game on the list that is of interest to me and it only comes out in Japan. Great.

And no Harvest Moon? And where is Zelda/Link? Damn, give me something.

Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx? Or is it even worse and you even save games in that piddly amount?
And yes, there is a 32 GB version, but having a small one means everything must be programmed to run on the 8GB version which I see as a limiting factor. It might seem much now, but not two years down the road.

And seeing that my SNES runs more often than my Wii, I won't be getting the WiiU
 
2012-09-15 05:04:59 PM  

MayoSlather: Consumers are weak minded though


Or, Mario and Pokemon are still fun, a lot of people didn't have HDTVs when the Wii came out, and consider money to be more important than pushing more pixels. Maybe.

The HD Wii is long overdue, and there's no reason it shouldn't outperform a 360 or a PS3. Certainly not at these prices.

/but what do I know? First-person shooters give me motion sickness, so I'm not qualified to judge
 
2012-09-15 05:06:50 PM  

lucksi: Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx?


The 8G vs 32G is flash storage - it won't affect gameplay. There is 2G of system RAM, and they haven't said how much video RAM.
 
2012-09-15 05:33:04 PM  

loser0: lucksi: Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx?

The 8G vs 32G is flash storage - it won't affect gameplay. There is 2G of system RAM, and they haven't said how much video RAM.

 
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