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2012-09-15 02:35:53 AM
One thing the Wii U needs to know about me: I'm not buying one.
 
2012-09-15 02:58:10 AM

Crudbucket: One thing the Wii U needs to know about me: I'm not buying one.


Your loss. Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade is easily the best launch title for any game console ever.
 
2012-09-15 10:06:41 AM
Hey! I came here for the 50 launch titties. Where are my 50 launch titties?
 
2012-09-15 10:19:59 AM
$300 so I can play Mario/Pikmin/Sonic & All-Stars Racing in 1080p? No.

I love those games, but in the end, they're cartoony fun. I've got all the resolution I need, thanks.
 
2012-09-15 10:25:41 AM
Sorry Nintendo, tablets have removed any chance for your success outside of Japan.
 
2012-09-15 10:25:56 AM
#6: After those 50 launch titles hit, there won't be a major game released for 3 years.
 
2012-09-15 10:34:42 AM
Wiiiii u, that stinks.
 
2012-09-15 10:36:09 AM
Sony and Microsoft need to get their shiat together and make a next-gen console soon. This generation seems to have gone on for too long and I reckon the Wii U, if popular, will prolong and already long generation. PC gaming on high specs feels at least half a generation ahead.
 
2012-09-15 10:43:12 AM
Cool, no Zelda game means I just saved 300 eurobucks.
 
2012-09-15 10:44:24 AM
Now that the L33t gamerzz have chimed in, do any actual people have an opinion on the basic set vs the premium set?

Is $50 worth:

1. An extra 24G of flash memory
2. "Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade"
3. Stands
4. Charger stand for the tablet
5. Discounts on downloads

I'm thinking a 32G SD card is $20 on Amazon now, and will come down later, but the old Wii prefers things to not be on the SD card.
And that charger stand will help the big tablet from going missing -- it'll be easier to get a nine-year-old to put it on the stand.
 
2012-09-15 10:50:39 AM

loser0: Now that the L33t gamerzz have chimed in, do any actual people have an opinion on the basic set vs the premium set?

Is $50 worth:

1. An extra 24G of flash memory
2. "Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade"
3. Stands
4. Charger stand for the tablet
5. Discounts on downloads

I'm thinking a 32G SD card is $20 on Amazon now, and will come down later, but the old Wii prefers things to not be on the SD card.
And that charger stand will help the big tablet from going missing -- it'll be easier to get a nine-year-old to put it on the stand.


1 and 3 are irrelevant to me, but as someone who ended up buying more games via DLC than full-fledged titles this past year, I think the other three are worth the ~$10-$20 investment once you take the pack-in game out of the equation.
 
2012-09-15 10:53:51 AM
Eh... Nintendo like always is going to kill the average person with peripheral spam. Basic model is 300 doesnt include a charger for the gamepad. that will run you at the least another 50 at which point youre up to the 350 price point of the deluxe model that includes it but also includes more memory and a sub to their online model (which judging by past efforts buy nintendo will be over priced and terrible) If you want to play with anyone else, which has been the general marketing point and appeal of nintendo consoles these past 2 generations (though theyve moved away from it some with this one) you have to buy more controllers which conservatively ups the price to 450. at this point youre about 50 bucks away from the next gen consoles that sony and ms are offering (assuming they learned their lesson last time around and dont come out of the gate overcharging for their product and losing sales as a result) which will have 5 times the development potential.

Sure there are a couple assumptions there but it seems pretty cut and dry to me. It wont be the runaway hit that the wii was BECAUSE its more of a real console this time around and less of a toy. It will have a few absolutely essential titles that real games will buy it for.
 
2012-09-15 11:02:26 AM
Shovelware is nothing new for the Wii. How many of those 50 titles will not suck?
 
2012-09-15 11:03:59 AM

Mike_LowELL: Crudbucket: One thing the Wii U needs to know about me: I'm not buying one.

Your loss. Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade is easily the best launch title for any game console ever.


I was snickering at your wonderful mockery of the shovelware crap the Wii was inundated with, then serious'd when I checked to discover that is an actual game that will be released. Jesus wept. I'm on the side of "fun" games no matter what the graphics, but they need to stop this Action 52 "how many sub-par flash minigames can we stuff on a disc." When I see those numbers I see Space Invaders (112 variations)
 
2012-09-15 11:17:15 AM
I'm just glad that it looks like the Pro controller will be a much more comfortable controller than than current Classic controller plugged into a Wiimote or the terrible sideways-Wiimote.

I'm happy they're maintaining compatibility with Wii hardware and software, but would have been thrilled if they included Gamecube support, maybe with an optional USB dongle to use the Gamecube controllers.

I think the hard part for Nintendo will be distinguishing the Wii U from the Wii for most buyers. The console looks like just a slight revision of the Wii, and it utilizes all of the same peripherals, aside from the Tablet. As much potential as there is for tablet gameplay, I don't really want to play Mario holding a damn iPad in my hands.
 
2012-09-15 11:18:10 AM

TheOriginalEd: Eh... Nintendo like always is going to kill the average person with peripheral spam. Basic model is 300 doesnt include a charger for the gamepad. that will run you at the least another 50 at which point youre up to the 350 price point of the deluxe model that includes it but also includes more memory and a sub to their online model (which judging by past efforts buy nintendo will be over priced and terrible) If you want to play with anyone else, which has been the general marketing point and appeal of nintendo consoles these past 2 generations (though theyve moved away from it some with this one) you have to buy more controllers which conservatively ups the price to 450. at this point youre about 50 bucks away from the next gen consoles that sony and ms are offering (assuming they learned their lesson last time around and dont come out of the gate overcharging for their product and losing sales as a result) which will have 5 times the development potential.


It'll fail because very few people are going to put down $450 (~ £360) for a console, when they can buy a Media Centre PC for the same money and then play Steam.
 
2012-09-15 11:23:37 AM

TheOriginalEd: Basic model is 300 doesnt include a charger for the gamepad


It has a charger -- the premium model has a better charger.
 
2012-09-15 11:24:45 AM

NeoCortex42: maybe with an optional USB dongle to use the Gamecube controllers.


Hell, I want one of those for my PC!
 
2012-09-15 11:26:39 AM

farkeruk: It'll fail because very few people are going to put down $450 (~ £360) for a console, when they can buy a Media Centre PC for the same money and then play Steam.


Did these people by PS3s?

Not that I don't agree that it's overpriced...

/can't buy one at launch because I'm getting a new clutch instead.
 
2012-09-15 11:30:12 AM
I probably will buy one but I will wait for it to decline in price. I am not in a big hurry.
 
2012-09-15 11:30:40 AM

loser0: farkeruk: It'll fail because very few people are going to put down $450 (~ £360) for a console, when they can buy a Media Centre PC for the same money and then play Steam.

Did these people by PS3s?

Not that I don't agree that it's overpriced...

/can't buy one at launch because I'm getting a new clutch instead.


At least the PS3 was a huge step up from the PS2. Plus it came around at the right time to get picked up by people that also wanted a Blu-Ray player. As a Blu-Ray player, it was somewhat expensive, but also had the advantage of being supported with updates for a whole lot longer than other dedicated players.

The Wii U (aside from the tablet) is what the Wii should have been when it launched.
 
2012-09-15 11:32:19 AM
Oh and I heard that the next dragon quest is going to be released for this and will be an MMORPG. Does anyone know if there has been any important news about that?
 
2012-09-15 11:34:26 AM
Is the page farked? I can't get it to load
 
2012-09-15 11:35:50 AM

NeoCortex42: people that also wanted a Blu-Ray player


Truth. The difference now is that you can get a blu-ray player for $60 -- which is why I ignore the whiners that complain that it can't play DVDs. Now that streaming and downloads are the way to go, then Nintendo has to get hooked in to that -- which they appear to be doing. I know my parents only bought a Wii to watch Netflix on.

If that TVii can control my TiVo and let me watch TiVo from the other room then I definitely want one.
 
2012-09-15 11:36:45 AM

Gergesa: Oh and I heard that the next dragon quest is going to be released for this and will be an MMORPG. Does anyone know if there has been any important news about that?


An MMO on a Nintendo console? That sounds like a horrible idea.

Even their announced console community features have all dialog going through a human filter department and take on average half-an-hour to post. I don't know if Nintendo would open the child-proof gates enough for an MMO to actually function.
 
2012-09-15 11:37:19 AM
As someone who initially loved the Wii, but grew bored with it after a year and hasn't even so much as turned the power on in more than three years, I'm not buying this one. I still can't manage to force myself to finish No More Heroes, because that would mean turning on the Wii, finding batteries for one of the controllers, going through the updates, trying to remember where the hell I was in the game, then struggling with the absolutely horrible controls forced on me by that terrible Wiimote.

Wireless controllers are fine. Motion controls are bunk. Lack of physical feedback makes the entire exercise pointless. Shove it, Nintendo.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:33 AM

loser0: NeoCortex42: people that also wanted a Blu-Ray player

Truth. The difference now is that you can get a blu-ray player for $60 -- which is why I ignore the whiners that complain that it can't play DVDs. Now that streaming and downloads are the way to go, then Nintendo has to get hooked in to that -- which they appear to be doing. I know my parents only bought a Wii to watch Netflix on.

If that TVii can control my TiVo and let me watch TiVo from the other room then I definitely want one.


You can get a usable Blu-Ray player for $60, but the PS3 is still one of the best ones available since it's constantly updated. I had a relatively early Blu-Ray player that cost a couple hundred dollars at the time. Now it's basically a doorstop because Philips stopped releasing software updates and the copy-protection on releases from the past few years makes a lot of movies completely unplayable on it.
 
2012-09-15 11:39:36 AM
I would buy in for this:
art.penny-arcade.com

/if I had friends.
 
2012-09-15 11:58:32 AM

loser0: Did these people by PS3s?

Not that I don't agree that it's overpriced...


But media centre PCs just weren't particularly powerful back then, cost a lot more than a PS3 and we hadn't really sorted out what was happening about TV connectors.
 
2012-09-15 12:13:29 PM
Doesn't "launch title" mean that it's in stores on the same day as the system? Not that it's released before March.
 
2012-09-15 12:25:31 PM
Im just going to do what I always do when new video game systems come out. Wait for the Wii U to arrive so I can finally buy a wii for jackshiat on the dollar at the local pawnshop.

All so I can play Xenoblade Chronicles and Mad World. And that is seriously sad I cannot think of another game worth playing on it (thou I know im missing some)
 
2012-09-15 12:59:42 PM
The wii U has potential, but so did the wii. The Wii, by and large, never hit that potential.

I'm taking a wait and see stance this time around. I want to see how their online network works out, and if it's as good as PSN and XBL. Also want to see if games use the tablet for any good use, outside of menu replacement.

Part of me also wants to see what MS and Sony bring to the table, and we should have a clear idea on them in the next year.
 
2012-09-15 01:11:32 PM
You can buy it now on ebay for $600 - $900. It doesn't ship until November. I'd love it if the people selling these were unable to get one.
 
2012-09-15 01:48:05 PM
I'd buy just about any console if a new Fire Emblem game was a launch title.
 
2012-09-15 02:21:25 PM
Wii won over people because it was cheap and it had a lot of family games. However no serious gamer would ever consider one.

Wii U makes a ton of mistakes that will kill it.

1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

2) The tablet controller is actually not going to be used by people in traditional games cause its clunky and heavy.

3) Most of launch games look to be new titles on small development time or existing titles ported over. NONE of which have had any visual make over.

have fun with that
 
2012-09-15 02:28:40 PM
I'm about gimmicked out, thanks.

I've thought the 'tablet as a controller' was retarded from the anouncement. But I'm guessing I'm not the target audience any more. Maybe kids will love it or something, I don't know. I just don't care enough to even summon faux rage about it.
 
2012-09-15 02:36:22 PM
Most games will only allow one tablet controller at most (requiring two will be prohibitively expensive). Any multiplayer games that use the tablet will therefore have to feature one guy with the tablet and the rest with standard controllers.

So for every innovating and exciting game produced for the Wii U, we'll probably end up with two dozen variations of:
i.testfreaks.com
 
2012-09-15 02:43:31 PM

JeffMD:
1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.


Eh? Got some specs on any of that? Also, $40 difference from the original at release
 
2012-09-15 03:11:25 PM

NeoCortex42: . Now it's basically a doorstop because Philips stopped releasing software updates and the copy-protection on releases from the past few years makes a lot of movies completely unplayable on it.


This is why I avoided the blu-ray format entirely. People insisted it wouldn't happen, but here we are, and it's just 'another one of those gripes'.
 
2012-09-15 03:17:31 PM
I'm in for one, I really appreciate that they're letting you bring forward all your Wiimotes to use with this one rather then try and get you to re-buy them all again. Kind of annoying you can't watch blurays or stream networked media files on it but that's what our media PC is for. Meanwhile the PS3 continues to gather more dust, I turned it on the other day to see if there were any demos worth trying and after waiting 20 minutes for the updates to do their thing I just turned it off (yes, midway through downloading them, oh no!)...and I'm unlikely to ever turn it on again. Why do we have a media PC for streaming network content and blurays when we have a PS3 you may ask? Because I got really tired of the PS3's mandatory increasingly crippled updates that take forever and then being either unable to play a file or helpfully disabling the sound via cinavia because it assumes my personal ripped backups are pirated. Fark Sony.
 
2012-09-15 03:42:35 PM

loser0: Now that the L33t gamerzz have chimed in, do any actual people have an opinion on the basic set vs the premium set?

Is $50 worth:

1. An extra 24G of flash memory
2. "Family Party: 30 Great Games Obstacle Arcade"
3. Stands
4. Charger stand for the tablet
5. Discounts on downloads

I'm thinking a 32G SD card is $20 on Amazon now, and will come down later, but the old Wii prefers things to not be on the SD card.
And that charger stand will help the big tablet from going missing -- it'll be easier to get a nine-year-old to put it on the stand.


Everyone I know who is planning on buying it is going for the deluxe. For an extra $50 it seems like a good deal, plus the discount on downloads last for quite a long time. Plus 8gig flash seems pretty small.

I'm not getting one. Not because I'm a l33t gam3r or anything, I just have a backlog a mile long for the current systems. There's nothing the system does that looks interesting to me, and the launch titles have no estimate of when they're actually going to be release aside from hopefully within 5 months of the console release. I'm sure they'll get me later on with a Mario or Zelda title because I'm a sucker, but nothing showed looked very different than what is currently out now.
 
2012-09-15 04:02:35 PM
50 launch titles, yes, but most are cross-platform ports. That's still not too shabby, but c'man.


//In two years, it will cost 100$, and all the games worth playing will be 15$ used.
 
2012-09-15 04:03:36 PM

JeffMD: Wii won over people because it was cheap and it had a lot of family games. However no serious gamer would ever consider one.

Wii U makes a ton of mistakes that will kill it.

1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

2) The tablet controller is actually not going to be used by people in traditional games cause its clunky and heavy.

3) Most of launch games look to be new titles on small development time or existing titles ported over. NONE of which have had any visual make over.

have fun with that


upload.wikimedia.org

Big controller killing a system? Impossibru!
 
2012-09-15 04:07:42 PM

Spartapuss: JeffMD:
1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

Eh? Got some specs on any of that? Also, $40 difference from the original at release


No. He doesn't. If he does, it means he's got a devkit and thus if he so much as speaks his blood will boil and he won't die; love those NDA's. However around the time the 'leaked' PS4 specs (you remember the one, where it was a low-endAMD processor and a low end ATi card?) minor news sites started a rumour that the WiiU wasn't more potent than a 360.

OTOH Nintendo are saying it'll do 1080p, present 360 quality GFX at that resolution and have more RAM than a 360. Which, realistically, is all anybody really wants at this point: including developers who are already having to shutter if a game doesn't sell well due to how farking much it costs to make them.
 
2012-09-15 04:27:32 PM
/fires up hacked Wii
 
2012-09-15 04:52:13 PM
This is a console I really hope fails. Nintendo has been making the same rehashed content for years and overcharging for underpowered half baked hardware. Consumers are weak minded though and will continually reward shiatty behavior from a company as long as the memories are good enough from a dozen years ago.
 
2012-09-15 04:59:37 PM
There is only one game on the list that is of interest to me and it only comes out in Japan. Great.

And no Harvest Moon? And where is Zelda/Link? Damn, give me something.

Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx? Or is it even worse and you even save games in that piddly amount?
And yes, there is a 32 GB version, but having a small one means everything must be programmed to run on the 8GB version which I see as a limiting factor. It might seem much now, but not two years down the road.

And seeing that my SNES runs more often than my Wii, I won't be getting the WiiU
 
2012-09-15 05:04:59 PM

MayoSlather: Consumers are weak minded though


Or, Mario and Pokemon are still fun, a lot of people didn't have HDTVs when the Wii came out, and consider money to be more important than pushing more pixels. Maybe.

The HD Wii is long overdue, and there's no reason it shouldn't outperform a 360 or a PS3. Certainly not at these prices.

/but what do I know? First-person shooters give me motion sickness, so I'm not qualified to judge
 
2012-09-15 05:06:50 PM

lucksi: Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx?


The 8G vs 32G is flash storage - it won't affect gameplay. There is 2G of system RAM, and they haven't said how much video RAM.
 
2012-09-15 05:33:04 PM

loser0: lucksi: Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx?

The 8G vs 32G is flash storage - it won't affect gameplay. There is 2G of system RAM, and they haven't said how much video RAM.

 
2012-09-15 05:34:59 PM

loser0: lucksi: Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx?

The 8G vs 32G is flash storage - it won't affect gameplay. There is 2G of system RAM, and they haven't said how much video RAM.


Second try...

I'd assume 50/50 split so 1Gb system/1Gb VRAM, which still gives either group double the 360's total RAM... could make for interesting games further down the road (i.e. level complexity).
 
2012-09-15 05:51:03 PM
My PC can already run Wii games in 1080p. Dolphin ftw.
 
2012-09-15 05:52:17 PM
Wake me up when Bayonetta 2 comes out, then I'll get one.
 
2012-09-15 05:56:23 PM

lucksi: There is only one game on the list that is of interest to me and it only comes out in Japan. Great.

And no Harvest Moon? And where is Zelda/Link? Damn, give me something.

Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx? Or is it even worse and you even save games in that piddly amount?
And yes, there is a 32 GB version, but having a small one means everything must be programmed to run on the 8GB version which I see as a limiting factor. It might seem much now, but not two years down the road.

And seeing that my SNES runs more often than my Wii, I won't be getting the WiiU


The last Zelda game came out last November, and it was fantastic. Let's not rush things here. A good Metroid prime game would be better, but I suspect they will wait to hear some feedback.
 
2012-09-15 06:17:32 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: lucksi: There is only one game on the list that is of interest to me and it only comes out in Japan. Great.

And no Harvest Moon? And where is Zelda/Link? Damn, give me something.

Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx? Or is it even worse and you even save games in that piddly amount?
And yes, there is a 32 GB version, but having a small one means everything must be programmed to run on the 8GB version which I see as a limiting factor. It might seem much now, but not two years down the road.

And seeing that my SNES runs more often than my Wii, I won't be getting the WiiU

The last Zelda game came out last November, and it was fantastic. Let's not rush things here. A good Metroid prime game would be better, but I suspect they will wait to hear some feedback.


What I want is a top-down Zelda game like A Link to the Past on a console. If they can keep producing New Super Mario Bros. games, they can do a retro Zelda game.
 
2012-09-15 06:43:44 PM

saluteyourshorts: Doesn't "launch title" mean that it's in stores on the same day as the system? Not that it's released before March.


to be fair, i can't recall any system ever launching with more than a dozen titles on day 1

i remember the PS2 was notoriously slow at getting games, the excuse was always "but it has backwards compatibility!"

same excuse was used for the PS3, until it didn't
 
2012-09-15 06:50:11 PM
"although it won't play Blu-Ray movies. It will support SD and external hard drives, and will be able to play Wii discs"

Fail without Blu-Ray
 
2012-09-15 09:37:13 PM
I had my doubts about the DS, but now that little device is the most-used console I own. It seemed like a gimmick, but it actually turned out to be a great system.

That said, the Wii also had a great gimmick. The difference is that the DS was able to fully utilize the gimmick. Games were able to use the dual screens very effectively, even if there were little to no touch-screen interactions. (Contra 4) and there were plenty of games that used them very well. The Wii on the other hand didn't give us the fully immersive experience it promised. Some games, like the Metroid Prime games, came close, and the Mario and Zelda titles are fantastic. (Mario Galaxy 2 absolutely blew me away) But it could have been so much more and just failed to deliver like it could.

This is my concern with the next version. It could be fantastic, but only if there's support for the interface. If there are games that utilize it in ways we've never seen on a console, then that will be something. I'd love to see a D&D type game, or an actual D&D game, with one person as the DM and everyone else plugging along in the quest. There's a lot of potential for greatness, but I'll have to see it to believe it.

Of course, the next Nintendo console I plan to get is the 3DS because that's finally shaping up into something worth having.
 
2012-09-15 09:52:41 PM

AdamK: saluteyourshorts: Doesn't "launch title" mean that it's in stores on the same day as the system? Not that it's released before March.

to be fair, i can't recall any system ever launching with more than a dozen titles on day 1

i remember the PS2 was notoriously slow at getting games, the excuse was always "but it has backwards compatibility!"

same excuse was used for the PS3, until it didn't


I recall the n64 being the worst...had something like 2 games at launch and almost nothing for several months after.
 
2012-09-15 11:06:59 PM
Already reserved. Nintendo has never let me down.

/can play the Wii with my parents and kids at the same time
 
2012-09-15 11:29:44 PM

lucksi: There is only one game on the list that is of interest to me and it only comes out in Japan. Great.

And no Harvest Moon? And where is Zelda/Link? Damn, give me something.

Also, what is it with the 8GB of onboard memory? Is that the total for cpu und gfx? Or is it even worse and you even save games in that piddly amount?
And yes, there is a 32 GB version, but having a small one means everything must be programmed to run on the 8GB version which I see as a limiting factor. It might seem much now, but not two years down the road.

And seeing that my SNES runs more often than my Wii, I won't be getting the WiiU


That's not memory (as in RAM), but storage like the PS3 or 360's hard drive.
 
2012-09-16 01:37:59 AM

harm dealer: Sony and Microsoft need to get their shiat together and make a next-gen console soon. This generation seems to have gone on for too long and I reckon the Wii U, if popular, will prolong and already long generation. PC gaming on high specs feels at least half a generation ahead.


I waited and waited and waited with no end in sight. Finally built a new gaming rig. 7680x1440 gaming on titles that support it, 2560x1440 on those that don't.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:09 AM
All I know is I bought the wife a Wii a and it hasn't been turned on in almost two years. Nintendo is slowly going the Sega route with it's post-launch support.
 
2012-09-16 01:57:53 AM

Fano: JeffMD: Wii won over people because it was cheap and it had a lot of family games. However no serious gamer would ever consider one.

Wii U makes a ton of mistakes that will kill it.

1) Expensive,at $299 starting it is more expensive then current gen bundles while providing the same level of graphics + a single tablet controller.

2) The tablet controller is actually not going to be used by people in traditional games cause its clunky and heavy.

3) Most of launch games look to be new titles on small development time or existing titles ported over. NONE of which have had any visual make over.

have fun with that

[upload.wikimedia.org image 529x419]

Big controller killing a system? Impossibru!


The controller was the least of the problems that POS had.
 
2012-09-16 02:09:19 AM
I will check one out in about a year's time. If there are more than a handful of games that make we want it, I will get one. The Zombie U game looks like it could be a lot of fun and if more games handle the tablet that way, I could garner more interest. However, I feel that not making it multitouch was poor decision.

Interested in how the Zelda puzzles will incorporate the tablet. Wouldn't mind paying for a Classic Zelda port package that keeps your inventory and map always displayed, maybe even bring back FF:cc.

Also, P-A had the brilliant idea of AD&D U, 3 party members and the DM uses the tablet.
 
2012-09-16 03:13:16 AM

jtown:
I waited and waited and waited with no end in sight.


Here is something interesting. Nintendo sell their consoles at a profit from the get go, now if the rumour mill is correct and the WiiU is about as powerful as a 360 (give or take)... which is a 7 year old console at this point (more if you include 1 - 2 years development time)... that is a probable reason Microsoft and Sony haven't announced anything other than peripherals.

They're stuck. Their current consoles (including the licensing of titles) has only just repaid the debt incurred during development, so... their next generation machines either have to be not much more powerful than the current ones or they've got to sell multiple billions of incurred costs and a 7 - 10 year payoff to the share holders; in the middle of a depression.
 
2012-09-16 07:34:44 AM

jat26006: Fail without Blu-Ray


I can't understand this.

You're 95+% of the way to having Blu-Ray, and won't pay the extra few dollars to get the CODEC licensing?

This is why I hate proprietary, closed stuff. Someone either puts in the effort to deliberately stop something from being done, or doesn't give you a simple paid update path. You then have to buy ANOTHER hardware box despite the fact that you have a piece of hardware sat right next to it that just needs a bit of software to work. You see it with all these boxes for TV. An Apple TV will give you services X and Y. A Roku will give you Y and Z. A PS3 will give you X and Z.

Look at the iPad. Pretty soon, v1 stops being supported. That probably means no security fixes. You can't go to Apple and buy the latest iOS for it. It's basically bricked as far as online use is concerned. And this is going to be the trick with all of these boxes. You'll buy this year's box, it'll do something, then they'll roll out next year's box, do an update for a new feature, and you won't get it in the one you bought. You'll have to buy a new box.

I'm building a media center soon because EVERYTHING works on Windows. Lovefilm, iTunes, Netflix, BBC iPlayer, 4OD, ITV Player, MP3, MKV, AVI, DVD, Blu-Ray. It all farking works, and when something else comes along, it'll farking work with that too. At worst, i'll have to buy a new Windows license, or a new thing to plug into a card slot.
 
2012-09-16 09:45:54 AM

Vaneshi: jtown:
I waited and waited and waited with no end in sight.

Here is something interesting. Nintendo sell their consoles at a profit from the get go, now if the rumour mill is correct and the WiiU is about as powerful as a 360 (give or take)... which is a 7 year old console at this point (more if you include 1 - 2 years development time)... that is a probable reason Microsoft and Sony haven't announced anything other than peripherals.

They're stuck. Their current consoles (including the licensing of titles) has only just repaid the debt incurred during development, so... their next generation machines either have to be not much more powerful than the current ones or they've got to sell multiple billions of incurred costs and a 7 - 10 year payoff to the share holders; in the middle of a depression.


Microsoft actually went an interesting route last year by announcing it's competitor to the Wii U controller. They simply allow users to pair any tablet to the 360 to get the same functionality out of it.

The fact that Microsoft can match the Wii U functionality and power without users having to do more than download an app doesn't bode well for Nintendo if Microsoft is able to get good software support for it.
 
2012-09-16 11:12:36 AM

NeoCortex42: Microsoft actually went an interesting route last year by announcing it's competitor to the Wii U controller. They simply allow users to pair any tablet to the 360 to get the same functionality out of it.

The fact that Microsoft can match the Wii U functionality and power without users having to do more than download an app doesn't bode well for Nintendo if Microsoft is able to get good software support for it.


Except... the 360 can't. It takes EVERY trick in the book to get 720p@30fps out of the 360 and keep the graphics quality people expect, including internally rendering at substantially sub-720p resolutions and upscaling (less processor intensive than native rendering), reduced FOV, reduced draw distance, texture pop-in, large weapon models, etc. It's bouncing off the limits of its RAM (512MB remember) and simply has no more MIPS to give.

So running two screens... no. Not unless there is a noticeable drop in graphics quality.
 
2012-09-16 11:37:03 AM

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42: Microsoft actually went an interesting route last year by announcing it's competitor to the Wii U controller. They simply allow users to pair any tablet to the 360 to get the same functionality out of it.

The fact that Microsoft can match the Wii U functionality and power without users having to do more than download an app doesn't bode well for Nintendo if Microsoft is able to get good software support for it.

Except... the 360 can't. It takes EVERY trick in the book to get 720p@30fps out of the 360 and keep the graphics quality people expect, including internally rendering at substantially sub-720p resolutions and upscaling (less processor intensive than native rendering), reduced FOV, reduced draw distance, texture pop-in, large weapon models, etc. It's bouncing off the limits of its RAM (512MB remember) and simply has no more MIPS to give.

So running two screens... no. Not unless there is a noticeable drop in graphics quality.


I have no doubt that the vast majority of Wii U games will use the tablet for little more than a map/inventory screen or just for the touchscreen input. Outside of a few AAA titles, I doubt the graphics power of the Wii U tablet will be fully used.
 
2012-09-16 07:54:30 PM

Hand Banana: Shovelware is nothing new for the Wii. How many of those 50 titles will not suck?


You do know that nearly any multi-plat game is going to WiiU now right?

That goes for Resident Evil 6, GTA5, MGS: Ground Zeros, Assassins Creed, etc.

In addition, ZombiU looks to be the best concept for a zombie game in a long time with great gameply. The WiiU versions of games look great, and geared toward "serious" game players. And you can't forget the new Super Smash Bros, the new Zelda title, and the fact that Metroid/Star Fox/[other high profile exclusive] are bound to come later on.

Seriously, the only drawback I can find is the DVD/BluRay incompatibility. And I already have a PS3 I can use those on.
 
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