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2012-09-15 02:06:44 AM
"I'm against it, but if you're going to do it, it should be safe," Williamsburg resident Jerry Moran said. "Safety of women should be the primary objective."

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2012-09-15 02:10:18 AM

Introitus: "I'm against it, but if you're going to do it, it should be safe," Williamsburg resident Jerry Moran said. "Safety of women should be the primary objective."


She wants women getting abortions to be safe, so she reluctantly supports the bill for bigger hallways, which is designed to shut down legal, safe abortion centers and force women to get them in back alleys. Moran is a compliment to someone like that
 
2012-09-15 02:11:21 AM
War on Women? What War on Women?
 
2012-09-15 02:13:17 AM

Introitus: "I'm against it, but if you're going to do it, it should be safe," Williamsburg resident Jerry Moran said. "Safety of women should be the primary objective."

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Heh, good job :)
 
2012-09-15 02:13:59 AM
I'm too lazy to look it up, but a commenter pointed out that the new building codes require abortion clinics to have no doors. Yea, what?
 
2012-09-15 02:14:01 AM
Didn't something like this just get tossed by a federal judge a few weeks ago? Mississippi, maybe?
 
2012-09-15 02:14:14 AM
If only I were a billionaire, I'd make it my mission to build as many clinics across the nation as possible that were far in excess of all building codes.

Then I'd offer the abortion services gratis. No ID required. Just waddle in, receive treatment, waddle out.

Because fark everybody.

/willing to offer my two-story stairwell for quicker service
 
2012-09-15 02:16:09 AM

Kuroshin: Then I'd offer the abortion services gratis. No ID required. Just waddle in, receive treatment, waddle out.


Speaking of which, a good charity, if any farkers are looking for one.
 
2012-09-15 02:17:39 AM
A) because god forbid a medical facility that preforms what is essentially a minor outpatient surgery should be treated like its, you know, a medical facility that performs minor outpatient surgeries.

B)fark those backwards assholes for abusing the states regulatory responsibility to advance what is essentially a policy position.

one of these is my opinion. i cant tell which because TFA didn't tell us a damn thing about what these building codes do or why.
 
2012-09-15 02:19:50 AM
A girl who keeps her knees together does not have this problem
 
2012-09-15 02:21:04 AM
It's just more bullshiat from pro-forced-childbirth zealots.
 
2012-09-15 02:21:20 AM
Governer Ultra Sound strikes again!
 
2012-09-15 02:23:10 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: A) because god forbid a medical facility that preforms what is essentially a minor outpatient surgery should be treated like its, you know, a medical facility that performs minor outpatient surgeries.


I'll believe the above is their reason when they don't preface asinine demands of an outpatient dialysis center with the phrase "I'm against it, but if you're going to do it, it should be safe,"

/99% sure dialysis isn't in the bible
//as is abotion
 
2012-09-15 02:27:12 AM
abotion, abotion??
 
2012-09-15 02:29:00 AM
You get the government you deserve. I blame religion for the overall stupidity of America.
 
2012-09-15 02:30:08 AM

JerkyMeat: abotion, abotion??


(leavebritneyalone.jpg)
 
2012-09-15 02:30:18 AM
I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Roe vs. Wade was not the beginning of abortions, it was the beginning of women dying from them.

If you want to "protect women" then let them have abortions.
 
2012-09-15 02:30:27 AM
So many Christians, so few lions.
 
2012-09-15 02:32:35 AM

lohphat: I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Roe vs. Wade was not the beginning of abortions, it was the beginning of women dying from them.

If you want to "protect women" then let them have abortions.


NOT dying. NOT.

God I need sleep.
 
2012-09-15 02:34:01 AM

holybull99: You get the government you deserve. I blame religion for the overall stupidity of America.


Religion is the excuse, stupidity is the choice. It's chosen because wisdom must be cultivated through effort and insight demands focus; which is rare.
 
2012-09-15 02:43:47 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: A girl who keeps her knees together does not have this problem


Only if she has an aspirin.
 
2012-09-15 02:46:25 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: A girl who keeps her knees together does not have this problem


You've been trying the wrong positions.
/Yeah, I know you're tollin' :)
 
2012-09-15 02:51:38 AM
What a nice reminder. Someone I know had a life-saving abortion two days ago. It's always nice to pause and think about who might be dead if fundy whack jobs have their way. Because while most of them, if pressed, will say it should be avaliable if the life of the mother is in danger, the fact is that means there has to be a nearby medical facility with doctors practiced with abortions willing to perform one quickly in order for women's lives to be saved.

/oh, and yes the baby would have died anyway. It was just a matter of time, which I believe is most often the case in these situations, even though some people like to make out like women are gleefully killing 7 and 8 month babies for the fun of it in late term abortion cases
 
2012-09-15 02:51:39 AM
That's how I was aborted, and look how I turned out.
 
2012-09-15 02:57:00 AM
Fundamentalist evangelical Christians are forcing their stupid on the rest of us.
Those people don't know how to mind their own business.
 
2012-09-15 02:57:03 AM
How many republicans would be outraged if they outlawed Viagra or made them jump through 400 hoops to get it? Boner pills aren't in the Bible.
 
2012-09-15 02:58:13 AM

OhioUGrad: How many republicans would be outraged if they outlawed Viagra or made them jump through 400 hoops to get it? Boner pills aren't in the Bible.


But abortions are.

There are even instructions about how to procure one.

In a church, no less.
 
2012-09-15 03:02:24 AM

lohphat: lohphat: I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Roe vs. Wade was not the beginning of abortions, it was the beginning of women dying from them.

If you want to "protect women" then let them have abortions.

NOT dying. NOT.

God I need sleep.


Women shouldn't die getting abortions. How many have to die before you start regulating clinics? 2 a year? 5? More?

It is ironic that bills regulating safety at abortion clinics are opposed by the abortionists claiming that passing the bills would cause the practice to become unsafe.
 
2012-09-15 03:02:36 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: A girl who keeps her knees together does not have this problem


Exactly--she's able to fit down narrower hallways.
 
2012-09-15 03:09:39 AM
How to be a republican: Demand 100% compliance or no complications whatsoever from whatever it is you oppose and make a big stink about the few exceptions.

If medicine was practiced like Republican policy, all people with chest pain who come to the ER would be treated for Chagas disease and would be shamed if asking for a work-up for an acute myocardial infarction.
 
2012-09-15 03:29:20 AM
The Wiki article on "Unsafe Abortion" is a particularly depressing read. There's nothing like seeing a naked corpse in the "fark me" pose with a bloody towel between its legs. Ick.
 
2012-09-15 03:37:52 AM

cptjeff: Kuroshin: Then I'd offer the abortion services gratis. No ID required. Just waddle in, receive treatment, waddle out.

Speaking of which, a good charity, if any farkers are looking for one.


*Sigh, fine. But I don't agree with their mission statements, I'm only in it to maximize the killing of children.
 
2012-09-15 03:39:37 AM

EnviroDude: lohphat: lohphat: I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Roe vs. Wade was not the beginning of abortions, it was the beginning of women dying from them.

If you want to "protect women" then let them have abortions.

NOT dying. NOT.

God I need sleep.

Women shouldn't die getting abortions. How many have to die before you start regulating clinics? 2 a year? 5? More?

It is ironic that bills regulating safety at abortion clinics are opposed by the abortionists claiming that passing the bills would cause the practice to become unsafe.


This bill is for the greater political good. It makes the fundies think that you are doing something and kicks out money to the contractors who will be needed to remodel or rebuild, while not altogether banning abortion. Brilliant.
 
2012-09-15 03:48:48 AM

AbbeySomeone: EnviroDude: lohphat: lohphat: I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Roe vs. Wade was not the beginning of abortions, it was the beginning of women dying from them.

If you want to "protect women" then let them have abortions.

NOT dying. NOT.

God I need sleep.

Women shouldn't die getting abortions. How many have to die before you start regulating clinics? 2 a year? 5? More?

It is ironic that bills regulating safety at abortion clinics are opposed by the abortionists claiming that passing the bills would cause the practice to become unsafe.

This bill is for the greater political good. It makes the fundies think that you are doing something and kicks out money to the contractors who will be needed to remodel or rebuild, while not altogether banning abortion. Brilliant.


Yet the pro aborts are screaming bloody murder about this bill.


That reminds me of a joke. Why is an abortion clinic like the movie Mad MaxBeyond Thunderdome? Because two people enter and only one person leaves.
 
2012-09-15 03:50:04 AM
unpossible. romney himself just said this was a settled issue in the courts.

and he wouldn't be dishonest like that. romney himself just said that going into the debates, obummer would be the dishonest one
 
2012-09-15 03:50:50 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: How to be a republican: Demand 100% compliance or no complications whatsoever from whatever it is you oppose and make a big stink about the few exceptions.

If medicine was practiced like Republican policy, all people with chest pain who come to the ER would be treated for Chagas disease and would be shamed if asking for a work-up for an acute myocardial infarction.


Tangentially related:

I once had a patient who was sick as hell. He refused to go to the doctor, because "as a life long man of Jesus, he'll take care of me." According to his wife, if it was his time to go, he figured why fight it? Just go.

He was only 27.

So at a certain point, he collapses and goes unconscious. And at this point, his wife isn't quite so certain and dedicated to his southern baptist upbringing. So she calls 911, and my ambulance is the one to show up. Hook him to the monitor, and what we see is basically a train wreck in EKG form. After a few meds and an incredibly fast transport with lights and siren, he comes to right as we put him in the hospital bed.

He starts screaming about Jesus's will being subverted and modern medicine being a tool of the devil to turn people from the lord. Starts ripping off monitor leads, and drops out again before he could "officially" tell us he was refusing treatment. And his wife, being his competent next of kin, told us to save him.

We managed to pull his heart back into rhythm, and he was fine. Left in a huff a few days later, apparently, and threatened to sue the hospital. Far as I know, he never DID, but I've never seen someone so pissed off to be alive.

And that's really the point of my rambling CSB: I think most of these fundie nutjobs hate their lives. Obviously this guy took it to an extreme, but I think it applies. Even a sitting Senator hates the fact that they're here. Maybe they're an ashamed closet case, maybe they hate their parents, maybe they just don't like life itself. Whatever the reason, they turn to fundamentalist Christianity for the same reason as it took off in the first place. It promises that no matter how bad your life is now, once you die in God's grace it's an eternity of awesome.

So they revel in this idiocy, doing everything they think their vengeful god demands of them, hoping for that eternal reward upon exit of their wretched lives. And they'll go to any lengths to assure it.

Or maybe they're just stupid, judgmental assholes that like to have a reason to feel superiority to someone else, even if it's a false sense of superiority. Yeah, that's probably it.
 
2012-09-15 03:58:25 AM

Shadowknight: Britney Spear's Speculum: How to be a republican: Demand 100% compliance or no complications whatsoever from whatever it is you oppose and make a big stink about the few exceptions.

If medicine was practiced like Republican policy, all people with chest pain who come to the ER would be treated for Chagas disease and would be shamed if asking for a work-up for an acute myocardial infarction.

Tangentially related:

I once had a patient who was sick as hell. He refused to go to the doctor, because "as a life long man of Jesus, he'll take care of me." According to his wife, if it was his time to go, he figured why fight it? Just go.

He was only 27.

So at a certain point, he collapses and goes unconscious. And at this point, his wife isn't quite so certain and dedicated to his southern baptist upbringing. So she calls 911, and my ambulance is the one to show up. Hook him to the monitor, and what we see is basically a train wreck in EKG form. After a few meds and an incredibly fast transport with lights and siren, he comes to right as we put him in the hospital bed.

He starts screaming about Jesus's will being subverted and modern medicine being a tool of the devil to turn people from the lord. Starts ripping off monitor leads, and drops out again before he could "officially" tell us he was refusing treatment. And his wife, being his competent next of kin, told us to save him.

We managed to pull his heart back into rhythm, and he was fine. Left in a huff a few days later, apparently, and threatened to sue the hospital. Far as I know, he never DID, but I've never seen someone so pissed off to be alive.

And that's really the point of my rambling CSB: I think most of these fundie nutjobs hate their lives. Obviously this guy took it to an extreme, but I think it applies. Even a sitting Senator hates the fact that they're here. Maybe they're an ashamed closet case, maybe they hate their parents, maybe they just don't like life itself. Whatever the reason, they turn ...


Maybe his wife was wretched and he couldn't get a divorce.
 
2012-09-15 03:59:04 AM
Because what the world needs is more unwanted, uncared for babies.
 
2012-09-15 03:59:57 AM

EnviroDude: lohphat: lohphat: I've said it once, I'll say it again:

Roe vs. Wade was not the beginning of abortions, it was the beginning of women dying from them.

If you want to "protect women" then let them have abortions.

NOT dying. NOT.

God I need sleep.

Women shouldn't die getting abortions. How many have to die before you start regulating clinics? 2 a year? 5? More?

It is ironic that bills regulating safety at abortion clinics are opposed by the abortionists claiming that passing the bills would cause the practice to become unsafe.


not-wide-enough hallways and lack of parking are causing women to die in abortion clinics? who knew.

/ex-pro-lifer
 
2012-09-15 04:06:31 AM
I don't think the problem lies with abortion itself, but the lack of unified agreement concerning the quantification of the viability of a fetus. There are always going to be people who think as soon as the deposit is made you can get a return. Most people in my circuit of peers believe that within three weeks of intercourse is the acceptable window for abortion. The youngest fetus to survive outside of mommy is 160 days, obviously a bit longer than three weeks. I don't know anybody, not saying they aren't out there, they are, that would have mom die from pregnancy.
The main push back against abortion, in my opinion, is people imagining that the angled plastic attachment on old vacuum cleaners used to suck the crushed head of a baby out of a hateful, murderous, doing-it-on-purpose she-devil laughing while it's happening.
The fact that there are states that don't have time restrictions on abortions keeps that image fresh and the debate heated.
Each side in the argument is going to have to fudge a little (lot). Agree to limit abortions to first trimester across the board, barring any extenuating circumstances, hand out morning after pills like candy, grow the fark up, get along as best we can. I don't like abortion, but i dislike it less than a coat hanger and an Oreck in a back alley.

ps
Forgive my ignorance, but can you harvest abortions for stem cells?
 
2012-09-15 04:18:17 AM

Shadowknight: nd at this point, his wife isn't quite so certain and dedicated to his southern baptist upbringing.


Southern Baptist or Christian Scientist? I don't know any baptists who hold belief against medicine, but (insert CSB) my dad, a surgeon almost got sued because he sewed up one of my brother's friends. He wiped out water skiing and gashed his head on his ski and knocked himself out. Some of the others told my dad not to sew him up because of the christian science stuff and I believe his exact words were "That's the dumbest shiat I've ever heard." That family claims the youngest son was covered in third degree burns from head to toe and healed without a scar. If they never went to a hospital, how did they know the burns were third degree?

-end thread-jack
 
2012-09-15 04:22:17 AM

grinnel: Shadowknight: nd at this point, his wife isn't quite so certain and dedicated to his southern baptist upbringing.

Southern Baptist or Christian Scientist? I don't know any baptists who hold belief against medicine, but (insert CSB) my dad, a surgeon almost got sued because he sewed up one of my brother's friends. He wiped out water skiing and gashed his head on his ski and knocked himself out. Some of the others told my dad not to sew him up because of the christian science stuff and I believe his exact words were "That's the dumbest shiat I've ever heard." That family claims the youngest son was covered in third degree burns from head to toe and healed without a scar. If they never went to a hospital, how did they know the burns were third degree?

-end thread-jack


The family you talked about is uberstupid but my 8 year old Cub Scout can identify a third degree burn.
 
2012-09-15 04:27:14 AM
Virginia is for virgins. The good news is that as the population decreases, there'll be lots of new space for toxic waste dumps.
 
2012-09-15 04:33:26 AM

Shadowknight: (...)He starts screaming about Jesus's will being subverted and modern medicine being a tool of the devil to turn people from the lord.(...)


And yet they never stop to think about the fact that, if that is the case, it's trivially simple for mere humans to overwhelm the omnipotent and omniscient god they worship. People said something similar when the lightning rod was invented and came into use; they were apparently unhappy that God's will was being undermined because he obviously meant that church steeples were to be struck by lightning, and they were fooling him by making it go into the ground instead.
 
2012-09-15 04:44:31 AM

grinnel: I don't think the problem lies with abortion itself, but the lack of unified agreement concerning the quantification of the viability of a fetus. There are always going to be people who think as soon as the deposit is made you can get a return. Most people in my circuit of peers believe that within three weeks of intercourse is the acceptable window for abortion. The youngest fetus to survive outside of mommy is 160 days, obviously a bit longer than three weeks. I don't know anybody, not saying they aren't out there, they are, that would have mom die from pregnancy.
The main push back against abortion, in my opinion, is people imagining that the angled plastic attachment on old vacuum cleaners used to suck the crushed head of a baby out of a hateful, murderous, doing-it-on-purpose she-devil laughing while it's happening.
The fact that there are states that don't have time restrictions on abortions keeps that image fresh and the debate heated.
Each side in the argument is going to have to fudge a little (lot). Agree to limit abortions to first trimester across the board, barring any extenuating circumstances, hand out morning after pills like candy, grow the fark up, get along as best we can. I don't like abortion, but i dislike it less than a coat hanger and an Oreck in a back alley.

ps
Forgive my ignorance, but can you harvest abortions for stem cells?


1) 3 weeks? Lol, you can't even schedule your appointment until Week 6 because the damn thing is so tiny that you can't find it on an ultrasound until then. Not a person, not even fish-shaped, it's a slimy clump of bloody cells.malso, miscarriages are very common up until Week 12. I wonder how your peers would feel if they knew that most pregnancies end after their "comfort date" without any help at all?
2) 3rd trimester abortions are miles away from a D&E and hardly different than birth - dilating, labor, vaginal birth. These patients are mothers who wanted their baby very much, but it is already dead/profoundly disabled/will die from a necessary medical treatment for the mother. By evacuating the contents of the skull, the mother is able to birth her baby without being fully dilated. This helps make the event shorter and less painful while preserving the face for the parents hold and say good bye to their baby. (there is also a rare defect that requires this: a fetus has a vastly oversized skull, with little to no brain matter. Vaginal birth is impossible and a c-section would require an incision 3-4 times larger than normal. The abortion you describe is performed to limit the damage to the mother's womb if she wants to more children). This was not a brutal murder performed for fun, these women made an intensely personal medical decision after a tragedy interrupted their pregnancy.
4) your side is going to have to grow the fark up and stop denying women access to a medical proceedure which is already regulated, restricted and requires special training that is very rare. Your side firebombed and killed while our side just wants an appointment with a licensed medical doctor in a safe, clean clinic.
5) stem cells? Really? Why don't you try google and stop thread jacking.

tl;dr fark you
 
2012-09-15 04:45:04 AM
Why, yes... I did read this headline as "Vagina tightens building codes..."

/Obviously not a story about Michelle Duggar.
 
2012-09-15 04:51:22 AM

aagrajag: OhioUGrad: How many republicans would be outraged if they outlawed Viagra or made them jump through 400 hoops to get it? Boner pills aren't in the Bible.

But abortions are.

There are even instructions about how to procure one.

In a church, no less.


Really? Where at? And who's been dropping the ball and not consistently making this argument?
 
2012-09-15 04:58:53 AM

Inspector5: grinnel: Shadowknight: nd at this point, his wife isn't quite so certain and dedicated to his southern baptist upbringing.

Southern Baptist or Christian Scientist? I don't know any baptists who hold belief against medicine, but (insert CSB) my dad, a surgeon almost got sued because he sewed up one of my brother's friends. He wiped out water skiing and gashed his head on his ski and knocked himself out. Some of the others told my dad not to sew him up because of the christian science stuff and I believe his exact words were "That's the dumbest shiat I've ever heard." That family claims the youngest son was covered in third degree burns from head to toe and healed without a scar. If they never went to a hospital, how did they know the burns were third degree?

-end thread-jack

The family you talked about is uberstupid but my 8 year old Cub Scout can identify a third degree burn.


Not to mention, third degree burns don't scar. It's a superficial burn. The skin gets red and painful, but doesn't blister.

Now, if you're talking partial thickness burns (formally known as second degree) there can be scarring. But praising Jesus for what could be accomplished via an ice pack and a cool, clean dressing? That Jesus is kind of lame.
 
2012-09-15 04:59:51 AM

EnviroDude: Women shouldn't die getting abortions. How many have to die before you start regulating clinics? 2 a year? 5? More?

It is ironic that bills regulating safety at abortion clinics are opposed by the abortionists claiming that passing the bills would cause the practice to become unsafe.


How many women have died in Virginia clinics?
How many of those would have been saved if the "architecture" of the building met the new approved standards?

If you can't answer either of those questions (which we know you can't), your opinion is pure derp. Keep your herp off our screens.
 
2012-09-15 05:12:33 AM

vysharra: 4) your side is going to have to grow the fark up and stop denying women access to a medical proceedure which is already regulated, restricted and requires special training that is very rare. Your side firebombed and killed while our side just wants an appointment with a licensed medical doctor in a safe, clean clinic.


My side? I just proposed a hypothetical compromise that illustrates how a greater percentage of the population could come to terms. Did I say anybody was right or wrong? Can you read for context at all? I understand the snark in my ps getting lost.

The point of my post is that there needs to be some agreement and compromise. We live in a large, diverse country that I dare say is pushing the bounds of the effectiveness of a centralized government. Extreme ideals alienate all who do not agree (that goes for all parties). According to last years gallup poll, only 37% (+/- 4%) believe all abortions should be legal. That presents a large discord among our citizens. Truth be told, in an actual democracy, this wouldn't even be an issue. Extreme opposites are never going to agree, but those people actually make up a small percent of the population. I do not dream of a utopian society where everybody gets along; I do, however, believe two thirds of us can.
 
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