bhcompy: Only reason to complain about recycling is if this process requires more input(in energy and such) than recycling. Recycling is a feel good process that isn't always the best option for garbage.
Counter_Intelligent: I'd say stuff 'em, but I don't know enough about plastics or alternatives to fully qualify it.
Mytch: The point of recycling isn't to offset the costs of diposing but of production of a product from raw materials, so they have a point. Efficiency of that process is another story all together. But hey, being wildly inefficient is America's cultural right, right?
Mr. Potatoass: You know who else was a proponent of gasification?
opiumpoopy: Ask the Germans. They're big into greenery and recycling - and big into incineration.
bigsmellypenis: People support recycling because in addition to not adding to landfills or polluting our atmosphere with previous methods of incineration, the original manufacturing process is usually more toxic to the planet (factory run-off in water,etc) than bringing in recycled resources.
grimeystubs: How does this prevent recycling? You just filter out the stuff to recycle beforehand.
pute kisses like a man: bigsmellypenis: People support recycling because in addition to not adding to landfills or polluting our atmosphere with previous methods of incineration, the original manufacturing process is usually more toxic to the planet (factory run-off in water,etc) than bringing in recycled resources.as an example, I wish there was a place to drop off glass bottles so they could be cleaned and re-used. i think the re-use part of the "reduce, recycle, re-use" pyramid scheme is woefully under-appreciated./ not a hardcore environmentalist// but, a cheap asshole.
wildcardjack: I liked the idea of thermal depolymerization.You'd take the entire waste stream, put it in a reactor at 600 degrees and 600 psi for a little while and out would spring gases, oils, ash and whatever metals were in the stream.I remember someone had a plant making heating oil from turkey fat. It's a beautiful idea, but I think the cost of building the batch reactors was always in the way as you'd need hundreds of them for a city of a million people.
stucka: I strongly suspect thermal depolymerization could be really effective for tire dumps.
antron: opiumpoopy: Ask the Germans. They're big into greenery and recycling - and big into incineration.[i47.tinypic.com image 620x310]
Icetech3: I stopped recycling years ago after educating myself on the recycling process... just recycling paper alone takes a crazy amount of energy and nasty toxic chemicals to return the paper to a clean pulp state.. its insane..If you think you know about recycling then watch this video.. it just gives a small insight into the BS that is recycling..Link
rob.d: antron: opiumpoopy: Ask the Germans. They're big into greenery and recycling - and big into incineration.[i47.tinypic.com image 620x310]They've cleaned up the ovens too much. Makes the place look like a nice bakery. That removes the shock and repulsion. They need to make that place look and perhaps smell like it did in 1945.
Rufus Lee King: Look, go ahead and remove plastic, glass, whatever into your little blue containers. In the end, they dump it all in the same landfill with the rest of the garbage. Wake up, folks.
djh0101010: . I just spent 12 grand to get 3 kilowatts of solar panels installed.
Rufus Lee King: djh0101010: Overgeneralizations are overgeneralized. Always.Mostly.
djh0101010: I don't understand the whole "hidden costs" argument. I just spent 12 grand to get 3 kilowatts of solar panels installed. Yesterday it was bright and sunny, and I sold $6 of electricity back to the power company. So, $150 a month, or even maybe $120. Let's call it $120, that means it takes me 100 months to get my investment back. The panels and inverter have a 20 year warranty. 100 months is 8-ish years. Everything after 8 years from now, is pure profit, assuming electricity prices don't go up (hah!).How do these "hidden costs" enter into my calculations? I don't see it. Please, help me understand it,before I buy another few kilowatts of power.
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