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2012-09-15 02:24:46 AM
Poor subby. Ya just don't get it, do ya?
 
2012-09-15 02:35:00 AM
uh... yeah
 
2012-09-15 03:00:23 AM
I know this is the early 80s and all, but seriously - no one ever thought to scrounge around for a Betacam? They had been available to the public since 1982. Failing that, a Polaroid Instant (available for more than a decade prior to this occurrence)? Instead, all we have is post-hoc testimony, which doesn't actually count for much at the end of the day.

I love a good spook story as much as the next person, but if anyone plans to present a goosebump tale as fact, it should contain, at the minimum, one or two actual facts.
 
2012-09-15 03:27:47 AM

SpankyPinkbottom: I know this is the early 80s and all, but seriously - no one ever thought to scrounge around for a Betacam? They had been available to the public since 1982. Failing that, a Polaroid Instant (available for more than a decade prior to this occurrence)? Instead, all we have is post-hoc testimony, which doesn't actually count for much at the end of the day.

I love a good spook story as much as the next person, but if anyone plans to present a goosebump tale as fact, it should contain, at the minimum, one or two actual facts.


This.

I got about 1/4 through the article before I said "This is as fake as the day is long." and stopped reading.
 
2012-09-15 04:07:18 AM

LavenderWolf: SpankyPinkbottom: I know this is the early 80s and all, but seriously - no one ever thought to scrounge around for a Betacam? They had been available to the public since 1982. Failing that, a Polaroid Instant (available for more than a decade prior to this occurrence)? Instead, all we have is post-hoc testimony, which doesn't actually count for much at the end of the day.

I love a good spook story as much as the next person, but if anyone plans to present a goosebump tale as fact, it should contain, at the minimum, one or two actual facts.

This.

I got about 1/4 through the article before I said "This is as fake as the day is long." and stopped reading.


I got as far as "Demon possession" in the headline and knew it was fake. I didn't even need some meddling kids to help me figure it out.
 
2012-09-15 05:48:42 AM
When I hear about paranormal stories, I'm usually very skeptical for a variety of reasons. One of the main ones, however, tends to be the lack of varied, verified, and independent eye witnesses.

This says the same thing about an author's gullibility/stupidity that starting a story with "I'm not a racist, but" says about whether they're a racist.

This rule is firm enough that there's even a trope for it.
 
2012-09-15 05:57:37 AM
The unexplained, even with witnesses, does not become supernatural simply because there is no way to explain it later.

Any 'supernatural' excuse can be translated basically as "I can't explain it therefore I can explain it"
 
2012-09-15 07:04:55 AM
Even sadder still, if someone were to take the time to debunk this now what...30+ year old story, they'd pop up with the next "WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!"

I couldn't find my shoes one day. Doesn't mean brownies came in and stole 'em.

/farking brownies
 
2012-09-15 07:59:06 AM

Lady Indica: Even sadder still, if someone were to take the time to debunk this now what...30+ year old story, they'd pop up with the next "WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!"

I couldn't find my shoes one day. Doesn't mean brownies came in and stole 'em.

/farking brownies


Maybe, but I live in a studio apartment and still can't find my shoes. Or my meds. Maybe if I can find my meds I'll be able to find my shoes.
 
2012-09-15 08:03:45 AM

djscram: Lady Indica: Even sadder still, if someone were to take the time to debunk this now what...30+ year old story, they'd pop up with the next "WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!"

I couldn't find my shoes one day. Doesn't mean brownies came in and stole 'em.

/farking brownies

Maybe, but I live in a studio apartment and still can't find my shoes. Or my meds. Maybe if I can find my meds I'll be able to find my shoes.


That's just what...they...want you to believe.

>.>

/said too much
 
2012-09-15 08:07:30 AM
Schizophrenia. Its what's for dinner.
 
2012-09-15 08:21:31 AM
I have actually seen an exorcism or two in my day, and despite all of that I no longer believe in demons. Mostly, the whole show stems from the fact that if a troubled person who really believes in demons, and a bunch of people that they trust confront them and say that they're "going to pray for you," the troubled person may panic, and, in doing so, start to act the part. I'm actually pretty convinced that for some people it's a traumatic enough experience that it can actually produce a change in behavior, too, which reinforces the idea that they've been "delivered."

As far as "making it rain inside," I'm going to need some better evidence that what a couple people told Unsolved Mysteries about something that happened in the 80's.
 
2012-09-15 09:05:26 AM
browntweedsociety.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-15 09:32:57 AM
Kinda funny how demons, like God, used to just hang around and do amazing stuff all the time. But then once we developed the technology to actually capture images/footage of real life, they all vanished.
 
2012-09-15 09:57:45 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Kinda funny how demons, like God, used to just hang around and do amazing stuff all the time. But then once we developed the technology to actually capture images/footage of real life, they all vanished.


They're too smart to be caught on camera. Just like ghosts and bigfoot.
 
2012-09-15 10:03:44 AM
Interesting to see how everyone here will dismiss the story outright simply because it doesn't conform to their world view. Why not at least google a bit and see how many police witnessed what, and if their's any realistic indication that they would all be lying.
 
2012-09-15 10:11:29 AM
The first question that I always ask when hearing about a 'spooky' story is: what types of drugs were involved. I never ask IF drugs were involved.
 
2012-09-15 10:20:03 AM
So this scary demon/grandad whatever claws him up a little like Wolverine, and then...makes it soggy inside.

If this happened in Seattle, nobody would have even noticed.

To this day, Don Decker has never experienced the terrible feelings or occurrences that he did during that weekend almost 30 years ago. He firmly believes that it was the spirit of his grandfather coming back to harm him from the grave.

So...you grandad sprayed you with the hose a lot when you were a kid?
 
2012-09-15 10:27:46 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Interesting to see how everyone here will dismiss the story outright simply because it doesn't conform to their world view. Why not at least google a bit and see how many police witnessed what, and if their's any realistic indication that they would all be lying.


They may not all be lying, but whatever they saw it wasn't a demonic possession. Demons don't exist. The story would have to conform to the world view of "only things that exist can exist" before I will give it a chance.
 
2012-09-15 10:48:44 AM

ReverendJasen: They're too smart to be caught on camera. Just like ghosts and bigfoot.


Never watched Ghost Adventures, I take it....
 
2012-09-15 10:54:34 AM
He went into a trance...and it started raining, yeah, only IT WAS RAINING UP!
 
2012-09-15 10:58:36 AM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Interesting to see how everyone here will dismiss the story outright simply because it doesn't conform to their world view. Why not at least google a bit and see how many police witnessed what, and if their's any realistic indication that they would all be lying.


I've seen nothing in the story (and yes I read it) which made it even remotely plausible. I googled, but that was simply because I was interested to see if it had already been debunked, or if there was more information. There wasn't, the ONLY information was of the same vein as the original story, on various woo sites. No actual news stories or any other credible information.

More to the point though, it's not up to me or anyone else to go digging in the garbage every time someone claims they saw a unicorn. Or proffers a blurry picture, or a story by their Grandpa who never ever lied! HONEST!

To quote Carl Sagan from memory, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

When they have some, get back to me.

/not holding my breath
 
2012-09-15 11:08:15 AM

ReverendJasen: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Kinda funny how demons, like God, used to just hang around and do amazing stuff all the time. But then once we developed the technology to actually capture images/footage of real life, they all vanished.

They're too smart to be caught on camera. Just like ghosts and bigfoot.


I saw this documentary called Ghostbusters. They captured all the ghosts and demons in the 80's. I tried to call them the other day just to see if they were still in business to no avail.
 
2012-09-15 11:08:53 AM

Kurmudgeon: ReverendJasen: They're too smart to be caught on camera. Just like ghosts and bigfoot.

Never watched Ghost Adventures, I take it....


The over-acting guy who wears too-tight shirts and runs around in the dark yelling for ghosts to "come get me!"? Then randomly stops and claims "something just hit me!"
Yeah, I'd rather pluck my eyeballs out than watch that again.
 
2012-09-15 11:21:58 AM

ReverendJasen: Kurmudgeon: ReverendJasen: They're too smart to be caught on camera. Just like ghosts and bigfoot.

Never watched Ghost Adventures, I take it....

The over-acting guy who wears too-tight shirts and runs around in the dark yelling for ghosts to "come get me!"? Then randomly stops and claims "something just hit me!"
Yeah, I'd rather pluck my eyeballs out than watch that again.


That sounds even worse than that Ghost Hunters show an idiot friend of mine is hooked on. They walk around a house with a home-made walkie-talkie that's built to pop and hiss, and then when it pops and hisses they claim it's ghosts trying to talk to them. It absolutely floors me that shows like this manage to get to the stage where they're actually aired on TV.
 
Ant
2012-09-15 11:22:10 AM
Nope, still deserves unlikely tag.
 
2012-09-15 11:48:59 AM
The only thing scary about this is that "High-Ranking Police Officers" would fall for it.
 
2012-09-15 11:50:40 AM

Yotto: The only thing scary about this is that "High-Ranking Police Officers" would fall for it.


Well, if you think about it, what are the intellectual requirements for a police officer?
 
2012-09-15 11:51:33 AM

SpankyPinkbottom: I know this is the early 80s and all, but seriously - no one ever thought to scrounge around for a Betacam? They had been available to the public since 1982.


VTRs were available even earlier than that if you had deep pockets.

http://www.labguysworld.com/JVC_PV-4800.htm

http://www.labguysworld.com/Sony_AV-3400.htm
 
2012-09-15 11:58:29 AM
FTA: The Kieffers decided to call their landlord, Rob Van Why.

i.imgur.com

Are you suffering from demonic claw attacks? It is raining in your house? From the ground up?

Then you need to call...

... your landlord. Cuz' hey, you're just a renter, right? Let him deal with it.

Or the police. Or something. 


/Who ya gonna call? ROB VAN WHY! Who ya gonna call? ROB VAN WHY! I say WHO can you call....?
 
2012-09-15 12:02:32 PM

Lady Indica: More to the point though, it's not up to me or anyone else to go digging in the garbage every time someone claims they saw a unicorn. Or proffers a blurry picture, or a story by their Grandpa who never ever lied! HONEST!


If the reported statements are actual testimony on record, I'm curious what you think multiple police officers would think they stand to gain by risking their careers in conspiring to report a lie.
 
2012-09-15 12:03:57 PM

Jim_Callahan: When I hear about paranormal stories, I'm usually very skeptical for a variety of reasons. One of the main ones, however, tends to be the lack of varied, verified, and independent eye witnesses.

This says the same thing about an author's gullibility/stupidity that starting a story with "I'm not a racist, but" says about whether they're a racist.

This rule is firm enough that there's even a trope for it.


God damn it, I had things to do this morning, and you give a link to TVTropes.
 
2012-09-15 12:05:55 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Interesting to see how everyone here will dismiss the story outright simply because it doesn't conform to their world view. Why not at least google a bit and see how many police witnessed what, and if their's any realistic indication that they would all be lying.


Naaa, can't have that. It would conflict with their world views.
 
2012-09-15 12:10:46 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Lady Indica: More to the point though, it's not up to me or anyone else to go digging in the garbage every time someone claims they saw a unicorn. Or proffers a blurry picture, or a story by their Grandpa who never ever lied! HONEST!

If the reported statements are actual testimony on record, I'm curious what you think multiple police officers would think they stand to gain by risking their careers in conspiring to report a lie.


I'm going to go with "idiot Christians who want to legitimize their idiot fantasies with a police report about demonic possession".
 
2012-09-15 12:23:23 PM

ReverendJasen: The over-acting guy who wears too-tight shirts and runs around in the dark yelling for ghosts to "come get me!"? Then randomly stops and claims "something just hit me!"
Yeah, I'd rather pluck my eyeballs out than watch that again.


You have to have a sense of humor to appreciate it.
Every time Aaron makes his O face, I like to have a shot.
mdparanormal.com
 
2012-09-15 12:50:22 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Lady Indica: More to the point though, it's not up to me or anyone else to go digging in the garbage every time someone claims they saw a unicorn. Or proffers a blurry picture, or a story by their Grandpa who never ever lied! HONEST!

If the reported statements are actual testimony on record, I'm curious what you think multiple police officers would think they stand to gain by risking their careers in conspiring to report a lie.

I'm going to go with "idiot Christians who want to legitimize their idiot fantasies with a police report about demonic possession".


You avoided my question. What do the cops get out of this?
 
2012-09-15 01:03:50 PM

Yotto: The only thing scary about this is that "High-Ranking Police Officers" would fall for it.


High ranking police fall for a lot of crap, like the Satanic ritual abuse scare in the '80s and such. They're just ordinary people with a day job and dumbasses like the rest of us, they're not Sherlock Holmes or Monk.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: You avoided my question. What do the cops get out of this?


What did the cops get out of railroading the McMartins? They probably really believed it, and by the time doubts arose it was too late to back down.
 
2012-09-15 01:05:21 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld:

If the reported statements are actual testimony on record, I'm curious what you think multiple police officers would think they stand to gain by risking their careers in conspiring to report a lie.

 

Possibility 1: there are no police officers, this is a story someone made up.

Possibility 2: there is actual testimony, which has been greatly exaggerated.

Possibility 3: a few dull witted cops got drawn into this silliness, and the group of people saw a water leak, a guy who scratched his body and jumped into walls and such, and imagined they were seeing something demonic.
 
2012-09-15 01:08:49 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: LouDobbsAwaaaay: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Lady Indica: More to the point though, it's not up to me or anyone else to go digging in the garbage every time someone claims they saw a unicorn. Or proffers a blurry picture, or a story by their Grandpa who never ever lied! HONEST!

If the reported statements are actual testimony on record, I'm curious what you think multiple police officers would think they stand to gain by risking their careers in conspiring to report a lie.

I'm going to go with "idiot Christians who want to legitimize their idiot fantasies with a police report about demonic possession".

You avoided my question. What do the cops get out of this?


Can't you see--the answer is right in front of you! It's much more logical to assume that multiple police officers at different times and locations were involved in a massive conspiracy to claim that they all observed the same unexplainable phenomenon...all so that they could not get paid and be interviewed on two paranormal investigation television shows that were aired almost 20 years apart. DUH!

/sometimes skeptics can be unrealistic, too.
 
2012-09-15 01:08:58 PM

SpankyPinkbottom: I know this is the early 80s and all, but seriously - no one ever thought to scrounge around for a Betacam? They had been available to the public since 1982. Failing that, a Polaroid Instant (available for more than a decade prior to this occurrence)? Instead, all we have is post-hoc testimony, which doesn't actually count for much at the end of the day.

I love a good spook story as much as the next person, but if anyone plans to present a goosebump tale as fact, it should contain, at the minimum, one or two actual facts.


What a good goosebump tale might look like

images.wikia.com

/scared me senseless as a kid
 
2012-09-15 01:13:31 PM
Why is it automatically assumed if (AND IT IS A BIIIIG IF) if the officers are not lying, then it ALL MUST BE TRUE!111

It's far more likely that IF...(again, biiiig if) if the people named are all actually people involved, and their reports are in their minds true, doesn't make it magic. Or supernatural. Why would it? Why is that the next likely stop on the woo train?

A con pulling a con? Nahhh, had to be wizards.
 
2012-09-15 02:20:51 PM
Demon possession story = 'Unlikely' tag. Demon possession story with multiple eye witnesses that include high ranking police officers = 'Scary' tag

No, it doesn't, cuz bullshiat made up by goat herders thousands of years ago isn't real! There's some other explanation.

/off to read the article
 
2012-09-15 02:36:22 PM
images.cryhavok.org
 
2012-09-15 03:03:34 PM

Empty Matchbook: SpankyPinkbottom: I know this is the early 80s and all, but seriously - no one ever thought to scrounge around for a Betacam? They had been available to the public since 1982. Failing that, a Polaroid Instant (available for more than a decade prior to this occurrence)? Instead, all we have is post-hoc testimony, which doesn't actually count for much at the end of the day.

I love a good spook story as much as the next person, but if anyone plans to present a goosebump tale as fact, it should contain, at the minimum, one or two actual facts.

What a good goosebump tale might look like



/scared me senseless as a kid


Those books were so awesome, brings back some great childhood memories. The Fear Street books used to scare the shiat out of me when I was a kid too.

Do they still write these? May have to stock up for future unborn children.
 
2012-09-15 03:27:17 PM

Lady Indica: Even sadder still, if someone were to take the time to debunk this now what...30+ year old story, they'd pop up with the next "WELL EXPLAIN THIS THEN!"

I couldn't find my shoes one day. Doesn't mean brownies came in and stole 'em.

/farking brownies


Heckuva Job Brownies!
 
2012-09-15 03:48:31 PM
My family all remember that time when my cousin was puking all over the place. She even had to go to the hospital, and a cop saw her while she was so sick. Lots of other family members saw her throwing up too.

Since so many people and a cop saw it, there was no way it was flu. My family knows that she was a victim of Vomit Demon Possession.

She was cured after 6 grueling days while our pastor attempted many failed exorcisms. It was getting brutal - vomit everywhere. EVERYWHERE. Finally, on the night of the 6th day, my aunt got the idea to dump a bucket of holy water on her. Then presto! We woke up on day 7 and she was no longer possessed!
 
2012-09-15 03:50:33 PM
Is no one else going to mention that the site caused their malware detectors to go off?
 
2012-09-15 04:00:07 PM

Weisenheimer: Is no one else going to mention that the site caused their malware detectors to go off?


Are you using Avast? If so, there is an issue with false positives right now on a lot of sites showing up as VBS:Malware-gen.
 
2012-09-15 04:01:12 PM

Weisenheimer: Is no one else going to mention that the site caused their malware detectors to go off?


Didn't for me, I'd assume it didn't for most people or you'd see more biatching since that's super annoying. It's probably your software.

Say three Hail Mary's and ask Jesus to remove the demons from your machine.

Or Isis, whatever. ;)
 
2012-09-15 04:16:41 PM
Anyone else get a virus warning when you tried to open the article?
 
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