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(Daily Mail)   Fewer than one in four American teens has proficient writing skills, even when allowed spell check and computers. Lik dis if u cry evertim   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-09-14 09:11:12 PM  
This is why I could never be a teacher. I still make a few spelling errors and probably more than a few grammatical ones but I still TRY to spell correctly and use proper punctuation.. I have no tolerance for people who don't try, or worse, intentionally mispell. "u lik dis" would be an automatic "F" from me.
 
2012-09-14 09:22:31 PM  
With this and Bill Gates complaints about lack of math and science educated workers. your system is in rough shape.
 
2012-09-14 09:34:06 PM  
Spell cheque doesn't dew anything if you don't already no what ewer doing.
 
2012-09-14 10:09:47 PM  
Here come the mouth-breathers, ready to defend their continued assault on syntax. I'm sure they'll be playing all the greatest hits:
*Language evolves all the time!
*I'll type however I want!
*What's the difference, as long as you understand what I'm trying to say?
*Stop being such a grammar Nazi.
 
2012-09-14 10:10:12 PM  
I has a sad.
 
2012-09-14 10:13:09 PM  

bdub77: I has haz a sad.


Pet peave.
 
2012-09-14 10:16:27 PM  
I think that's great. My kids will drink your kids' milkshakes.
 
2012-09-14 10:16:35 PM  

GreenAdder: Here come the mouth-breathers, ready to defend their continued assault on syntax. I'm sure they'll be playing all the greatest hits:


You forgot, "That's just, like, my personal style, okay?"
 
2012-09-14 10:17:24 PM  

sithon: m


If we just bust the unions and reduce teacher pay to $1 a week, that will fix all our education and fiscal and all other problems!
 
2012-09-14 10:20:12 PM  

Steve Zodiac: This is why I could never be a teacher. I still make a few spelling errors and probably more than a few grammatical ones but I still TRY to spell correctly and use proper punctuation.. I have no tolerance for people who don't try, or worse, intentionally mispell. "u lik dis" would be an automatic "F" from me.


I've been an English/Social Studies teacher for 14 years and I can personally profess that it's getting more and more difficult to "interpret" what the hell the kids are saying. And I work in an online school, where spell check is available for EVERY assignment.

I blame the lack of sustained reading (more than a web page or the directions to the latest video game). There is a direct correlation between the kids who read books and the number of As in my class.
 
2012-09-14 10:21:47 PM  
gooby pls
 
2012-09-14 10:21:48 PM  
Moar breakun nooze frum that Daylee Fayul
 
2012-09-14 10:29:15 PM  

SundaesChild: bdub77: I has haz a sad.

Pet peave.


kwit corectin me.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:34 PM  
I've noticed that since people started typing more on their phones and tablets with auto-correct, there aren't as many misspellings, they're just not the write words butt homonyms.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:48 PM  

SundaesChild: bdub77: I has haz a sad.

Pet peave.


Ok, that maid me gigell.
 
2012-09-14 10:48:27 PM  

Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: This is why I could never be a teacher. I still make a few spelling errors and probably more than a few grammatical ones but I still TRY to spell correctly and use proper punctuation.. I have no tolerance for people who don't try, or worse, intentionally mispell. "u lik dis" would be an automatic "F" from me.

I've been an English/Social Studies teacher for 14 years and I can personally profess that it's getting more and more difficult to "interpret" what the hell the kids are saying. And I work in an online school, where spell check is available for EVERY assignment.

I blame the lack of sustained reading (more than a web page or the directions to the latest video game). There is a direct correlation between the kids who read books and the number of As in my class.


"Works in an online school" is how I will have you favorited.
 
2012-09-14 10:52:33 PM  

bdub77: SundaesChild: bdub77: I has haz a sad.

Pet peave.

kwit corectin me.


pwned
 
2012-09-14 10:56:15 PM  
I have college students who will email me and inform me that "i dont no wat u r telling me 2 do on this assignmt".

It takes a lot of control to be civil in my response.
 
2012-09-14 11:10:31 PM  
*shudder*
 
2012-09-14 11:12:08 PM  
My sister is a 7th grade Language Arts/Social Studies teacher, and I've helped her grade papers more than a few times.....yikes. Some of these kids don't even have the excuse of not being native English speakers, either. It's not just the spelling that sucks, it's the grammar, the punctuation, the complete inability to write a basic essay, etc. Also, some of their handwriting is atrocious. I know most everything is typed nowadays, so the need for perfect penmanship isn't necessary anymore, but you should still be able to write in cursive, legibly. I've always been praised for how neat my handwriting is, and while I don't use it as much as I used to, I still write letters and homemade cards, so it's important that the recipient be able to read it.

Some of these kids print like they're writing a ransom note or something. It's not just their cursive that's deplorable.
 
2012-09-14 11:15:40 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I have college students who will email me and inform me that "i dont no wat u r telling me 2 do on this assignmt".

It takes a lot of control to be civil in my response.


I wouldn't respond.
 
2012-09-14 11:18:17 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I have college students who will email me and inform me that "i dont no wat u r telling me 2 do on this assignmt".

It takes a lot of control to be civil in my response.


Why bother? I'll accept some errors, but I'd refuse to respond to any email sent to me with numbers for words.

Coco LaFemme: I've always been praised for how neat my handwriting is, and while I don't use it as much as I used to, I still write letters and homemade cards, so it's important that the recipient be able to read it.


I often get accused of writing like a woman, since I have neat handwriting and it has gotten much loopier and connected over the years. It varies from day to day, but it's generally quite good.
 
2012-09-14 11:25:34 PM  
From the article:

Just a quarter of eighth and 12th grade students in the United States have solid writing skills, even when allowed to use spell-check and other computer word processing tools

...

Students who took the writing test inn 2011


Step 1: Use article to point out how students miss spelling errors, even with the assistance of spellchecking programs.
Step 2: Miss a spelling error because spellchecker won't pick it up.
Step 3: Kill me.

(And don't you farking dare suggest that I forgot to hyphenate "spellchecker".)
 
2012-09-14 11:38:14 PM  

Staffist: dahmers love zombie: I have college students who will email me and inform me that "i dont no wat u r telling me 2 do on this assignmt".

It takes a lot of control to be civil in my response.

I wouldn't respond.


This. If you're in college and not only incapable of spelling basic words correctly, but incapable of articulating to someone that you need help with something, you don't deserve a response. Let them ask another student. If they'd e-mailed you and said, "Can you please explain what you'd like us to do on this assignment? I'm not clear on the directions you gave us in class", they'd be more apt to get the help they need.
 
2012-09-14 11:46:05 PM  
turnerwatson.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-14 11:47:14 PM  
To be fair, English isn't spelled phonetically. It uses an out-dated uniform system that became standardized before a significant sound shift happened. Plus, we lost the pronunciation of the silent "e", moving it to mean that you pronounce vowels differently, making things confusing for non-English learners (i.e. the way we pronounce "have" with "bathe")
 
2012-09-14 11:48:55 PM  

cman: To be fair, English isn't spelled phonetically. It uses an out-dated uniform system that became standardized before a significant sound shift happened. Plus, we lost the pronunciation of the silent "e", moving it to mean that you pronounce vowels differently, making things confusing for non-English speakers (i.e. the way we pronounce "have" with "bathe")


Fixt

and to elaborate, we lost the Yogh, either dropping it entirely (i.e. knight) or changing its sound to an "f" (as in laugh)
 
2012-09-14 11:55:58 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I have college students who will email me and inform me that "i dont no wat u r telling me 2 do on this assignmt".

It takes a lot of control to be civil in my response.


Tell them that if they can't actually spell more than 10% of whatever they type, they should probably look into withdrawing from their class and enrolling in English 070 at the local community college instead of wasting their tuition. Seriously, that's not rude. You're trying to prepare these people to be professionals.
 
2012-09-15 12:05:14 AM  
I had someone come in to do a narcotics inspection in the vault this week. He started off by saying "Let's see your drug cachet". The gay one, not the one that sounds like cash.

I said.. "OK, let me just tell you what I told my commander. It's not a f*cking cachet like sachet. It's a cache... CASH! These are two different words! Stop it, for the love of god!"

Yeah, I was having a bad day. But, when you see military commanders make the fame f*cking mistake over and over and not even bother to look up the f*cking word? C'mon! Because everyone else copies the same mistake on down the line.

SERENITY NOW!
 
2012-09-15 12:25:29 AM  
This is defiantly not a bookmark.
 
2012-09-15 12:38:37 AM  

Coco LaFemme: My sister is a 7th grade Language Arts/Social Studies teacher, and I've helped her grade papers more than a few times.....yikes. Some of these kids don't even have the excuse of not being native English speakers, either. It's not just the spelling that sucks, it's the grammar, the punctuation, the complete inability to write a basic essay, etc. Also, some of their handwriting is atrocious. I know most everything is typed nowadays, so the need for perfect penmanship isn't necessary anymore, but you should still be able to write in cursive, legibly. I've always been praised for how neat my handwriting is, and while I don't use it as much as I used to, I still write letters and homemade cards, so it's important that the recipient be able to read it.

Some of these kids print like they're writing a ransom note or something. It's not just their cursive that's deplorable.


You know they've stopped teaching cursive in elementary school, right? It's been pushed out in favor of more reading/math curriculum, which is tested and on the assumption that they can "type everything anyway".

I used to comment on student papers with cursive and I had to stop because so many kids can't read it.
 
2012-09-15 12:40:05 AM  

Staffist: Kimothy: blah blah blah

"Works in an online school" is how I will have you favorited.


Awww, thanks. And here I thought I mostly pissed people off. (Maybe that's just on the politics tab).
 
2012-09-15 12:43:49 AM  

Kimothy: Coco LaFemme: My sister is a 7th grade Language Arts/Social Studies teacher, and I've helped her grade papers more than a few times.....yikes. Some of these kids don't even have the excuse of not being native English speakers, either. It's not just the spelling that sucks, it's the grammar, the punctuation, the complete inability to write a basic essay, etc. Also, some of their handwriting is atrocious. I know most everything is typed nowadays, so the need for perfect penmanship isn't necessary anymore, but you should still be able to write in cursive, legibly. I've always been praised for how neat my handwriting is, and while I don't use it as much as I used to, I still write letters and homemade cards, so it's important that the recipient be able to read it.

Some of these kids print like they're writing a ransom note or something. It's not just their cursive that's deplorable.

You know they've stopped teaching cursive in elementary school, right? It's been pushed out in favor of more reading/math curriculum, which is tested and on the assumption that they can "type everything anyway".

I used to comment on student papers with cursive and I had to stop because so many kids can't read it.



No, I didn't know that. It's been many, many years since I was in grammar school, and I'm not a teacher myself. I do work in proofreading/copy editing, but that's all typed documents and whatnot.
 
2012-09-15 12:53:08 AM  
This spell-checking hooey is for the birds.

A friend thought he was going to take grammar lessons, but inadvertently signed up for Grammer lessons. I guess it's going pretty well for him, though. He has already learned seventeen different types of ways to insult Niles. This semester he has a study in "Brett Ratner films and blue fur."

The graduation exam is going to be brutal, though. It's a driving test.
 
2012-09-15 01:11:05 AM  
Yes, "1 in 20" is fewer than 1 in 4.

The spell checker is a crutch that somehow makes people worse writers. It's no substitute for proofreading.
 
2012-09-15 01:14:46 AM  

GreenAdder: Here come the mouth-breathers, ready to defend their continued assault on syntax. I'm sure they'll be playing all the greatest hits:
*Language evolves all the time!
*I'll type however I want!
*What's the difference, as long as you understand what I'm trying to say?
*Stop being such a grammar Nazi.


Language does evolve over time. The purpose of language is to serve communication, which is why i will defend zero derivation ('verbing') to hell and back.

Most of the rigid rules in the english language aren't really rigid or properly rules at all.

But some people are just stupid or something.
 
2012-09-15 01:26:22 AM  

dahmers love zombie: I have college students who will email me and inform me that "i dont no wat u r telling me 2 do on this assignmt".


I would say "Pardon me? Could you type that in English please?"
 
2012-09-15 02:10:08 AM  

Mugato: I've noticed that since people started typing more on their phones and tablets with auto-correct, there aren't as many misspellings, they're just not the write words butt homonyms.


I don't approve of homonyms and what they do with butts.
 
2012-09-15 03:23:08 AM  
If I txt in txtspeak, it's either a virus, or I have become deranged. If you see txtspk from me, please alert the authorities.
 
2012-09-15 04:42:02 AM  
With great elitism comes great irrelevance.
 
2012-09-15 04:54:14 AM  

James F. Campbell: With great elitism comes great irrelevance.


lol that's wut i said too nancy baker durign fourth period gym class (or maybe it was "your a slut" i duno lol) but yea ronnie madsen gets up in my face says "why did u call my girlfriend a slut" an i told this dude i was UFC heavywait champion an he didn't believe me so BIG JON MCCARTHY SAYS "LETS GET IT ON" AND WE'RE HITTIN EACH OTHER AND NANCY BAKER IS CRYING CUS I'M KICKIGN THE CRAP OUT OF THIS GUY, and mr. gannon the gym teacher says "lol ronnie that's what u get for messign with mike 'bad@$$' lowell". so anyway after that was done ronnie comes over to me and he's missign liek half his face n he speak's out of the part of his mouth that is left and he says "mmmfff mfffff" and shake's my hand and i'm liek "it's chill bro just dno't mess wit me again" and he says "fffffm mffffff", so where am I going with this? the point im makign is that when u try too sound smart on the internet with capital letter's, you can't stand up for yourself becus u spent all that tiem learning rules of punctuation. in the real world, books dno't do anything for you. so why try too write liek the punctuation in a book? all u do is sound liek an asshole, which is what i've been trying too say in this post all along, but i guess u really have too know me to get what i'm trying too say with this thred
 
2012-09-15 04:59:19 AM  
What do you expect to happen when you rely on standardized tests for everything and spend all your time teaching to the tests?
 
2012-09-15 05:16:15 AM  
I went from awful to descent after high shcool.
 
2012-09-15 05:23:34 AM  

MayoSlather: I went from awful to descent after high shcool.


Well plaid sir. Well plaid.
 
2012-09-15 05:25:45 AM  
this is why i don't sell enough books to live off of

ignorant ratfarkers everywhere
 
2012-09-15 05:27:33 AM  
Shouldn't the submitter have used have, and not has in the topic title? Tsk, tsk.
 
2012-09-15 05:28:14 AM  
but their dick-sucking skills have improved, if what i hear is true. i should move back to the usa...
 
2012-09-15 05:28:33 AM  
I thought those red lines under words were praise for using difficult language.
 
2012-09-15 05:31:28 AM  
i2.kym-cdn.com

/obligatory
 
2012-09-15 05:34:15 AM  

Kimothy: Steve Zodiac: This is why I could never be a teacher. I still make a few spelling errors and probably more than a few grammatical ones but I still TRY to spell correctly and use proper punctuation.. I have no tolerance for people who don't try, or worse, intentionally mispell. "u lik dis" would be an automatic "F" from me.

I've been an English/Social Studies teacher for 14 years and I can personally profess that it's getting more and more difficult to "interpret" what the hell the kids are saying. And I work in an online school, where spell check is available for EVERY assignment.

I blame the lack of sustained reading (more than a web page or the directions to the latest video game). There is a direct correlation between the kids who read books and the number of As in my class.


I don't see how this is a problem. If the spelling and grammar are so deficient that you are struggling to understand what was written, mark an "F" and move on to the next paper to grade. My dad was a high school English teacher. This meant my homework was graded twice. Once by him, and once by the actual teacher. It was rare that I ever got less than an "A" on a homework assignment.

/he also made me study Latin in the summer
//which makes the Latin scene in Life of Brian one of the funniest things I ever saw
 
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