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2012-09-15 12:10:34 AM

Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.


Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.
 
2012-09-15 12:11:05 AM
In video captured by BuzzFeed, Paul was describing how someone "rather nationally on the Internet" said Osama bin Laden would still be alive if he was in charge.

"You know what the answer is? So would the 3,000 people from 9/11 be alive," Paul said to a roaring crowd.


Really? BinLaden would still be alive, but the attacks would magically have not happened? Why? Because you don't believe in playing world police? That's fine, I agree on that, but there is no way that a new policy of not playing world police would have taken root in 10 months and changed Al Quaeda's decisions. All of you Paul supporters that fell for that line are just as stupid as the Romney supporters who fall for his "I have a plan to fix everything, but I'm not going to tell anyone a single thing about it" bullshiat.
 
2012-09-15 12:12:22 AM

Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?


Actually, not Stingers, SA-24s. From Qadaffi
 
2012-09-15 12:12:22 AM

Triumph: NobleHam: Why on Earth would it? You made an assertion that "MANY" of the rebels were flying non-existent Al-Qaeda flags. This implies a large number, not a few members infiltrating the broader opposition or carrying out a couple of recent bombings. Your implication was that the opposition in Syria IS Al-Qaeda. Troll.

My "implication" is that the CIA smuggling Stingers into Syria puts them potentially in reach of Al Qaeda, which has been established to have "infiltrated" the rebels there. And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.


If monkeys flew out my butt, your momma.

/Good LORD, you are stupid.
 
2012-09-15 12:12:32 AM

halB: Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.


Couldn't agree more.
 
2012-09-15 12:13:13 AM

Triumph: halB: Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.

Couldn't agree more.


OK, that's one post out of 10 you were right.
 
2012-09-15 12:13:19 AM

Triumph: Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.

Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.


No, he just declared that he didn't care about where the #1 most wanted man on the FBI list was or what he was doing.
 
2012-09-15 12:15:06 AM

Mentat: fusillade762: How would going back to the gold standard have stopped 9/11?

The Panic of 1907, also known as the 1907 Bankers' Panic, was a financial crisis that occurred in the United States when the New York Stock Exchange fell almost 50% from its peak the previous year. Panic occurred, as this was during a time of economic recession, and there were numerous runs on banks and trust companies. The 1907 panic eventually spread throughout the nation when many state and local banks and businesses entered bankruptcy. Primary causes of the run include a retraction of market liquidity by a number of New York City banks and a loss of confidence among depositors, exacerbated by unregulated side bets at bucket shops.[1] The panic was triggered by the failed attempt in October 1907 to corner the market on stock of the United Copper Company. When this bid failed, banks that had lent money to the cornering scheme suffered runs that later spread to affiliated banks and trusts, leading a week later to the downfall of the Knickerbocker Trust Company-New York City's third-largest trust. The collapse of the Knickerbocker spread fear throughout the city's trusts as regional banks withdrew reserves from New York City banks. Panic extended across the nation as vast numbers of people withdrew deposits from their regional banks.

The panic might have deepened if not for the intervention of financier J. P. Morgan[2], who pledged large sums of his own money, and convinced other New York bankers to do the same, to shore up the banking system. At the time, the United States did not have a central bank to inject liquidity back into the market. By November the financial contagion had largely ended, yet a further crisis emerged when a large brokerage firm borrowed heavily using the stock of Tennessee Coal, Iron and Railroad Company (TC&I) as collateral. Collapse of TC&I's stock price was averted by an emergency takeover by Morgan's U.S. Steel Corporation-a move approved by anti-monopolist pres ...


Thank God all the rich people got together and decided to loan money to the US instead of the US issuing its own currency. Then convincing every other nation in the western world (and those we invaded) this was an awesome idea. We are so blessed.
 
2012-09-15 12:16:35 AM

halB: He's right. 100% right.

You could have made a schizophrenic homeless guy president in 2001, and he would've been like "DUDE, this daily briefing says this guy gonna run a plane into a building! Let's stop him!"

ANYONE could've stopped 9/11. George W. LET it happen. Why? Well... guess who got elected because you "don't change a horse in midstream."


Imagine being this idiot i used to know; he kept the following in his head and it didn't asplode from dissonance:

Don't change a horse in midstream.
The War on Terror is a forever war.
I hate George W.
I will vote for George W.
I will show up to vote for George W. to support the President.
Ron Paul should be President.
Ron Paul would end the two wars.
John Kerry would end the two wars.
I don't think John Kerry would be as bad as W.
I talk about George W. and Ron Paul a lot.
I don't care about politics.
Don't stream change in a horse.
 
2012-09-15 12:18:40 AM
I think what he's saying is that if he had been president, he wouldn't have been distracted by a raging hard-on to invade Iraq again, and he wouldn't have ignored the months of warnings from the CIA who were screaming that an attack was imminent. He's still a crazy motherfarker, though.
 
2012-09-15 12:19:09 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Actually, not Stingers, SA-24s. From Qadaffi


Lovely - so they've got those, but what we have to worry about is them lighting off bombs in their underwear, right?
 
2012-09-15 12:22:02 AM

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Actually, not Stingers, SA-24s. From Qadaffi

Lovely - so they've got those, but what we have to worry about is them lighting off bombs in their underwear, right?


Yes, the United States is only capable of worrying about one single threat at a time. There is no way that Al Qaeda can take multiple approaches to bring down passenger jets.
 
2012-09-15 12:24:33 AM

Mentat: Triumph: I'm not defending Bush, just noticing that Obama's foreign policy choices are no better. His "We killed OBL" victory lap doesn't really hold up when a Black Standard gets raised over a U.S. Embassy. It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.

Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.


Seriously.
Actually killing bin Laden is no better than a photo op.
That's his argument.
 
2012-09-15 12:28:49 AM

Triumph: It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.


Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.
 
2012-09-15 12:31:30 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Yes, the United States is only capable of worrying about one single threat at a time. There is no way that Al Qaeda can take multiple approaches to bring down passenger jets.


If Al Qaeda's goal is to bring down more passenger jets, they're doing a lousy job so far. But if their goal is to create paranoid, liberty-sacrificing security state in America, they get a much higher grade.
 
2012-09-15 12:36:20 AM

Mugato: Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.


I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.
 
2012-09-15 12:43:02 AM

Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.


How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?
 
2012-09-15 12:43:19 AM
From one of Triumph's links: "He singled out Egypt, saying the Muslim Brotherhood-led government was serving Israel by guarding its borders according to the terms of the Camp David peace treaty."

Hey waitafugginminute. I thought the Muslim Brotherhood was part of the Islam über Alles crowd.
 
2012-09-15 12:43:33 AM
And if I was the son of a Billionaire I'd never have to worry about getting laid.


What's yer point Ron?
 
2012-09-15 12:44:44 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?


Same way he's responsible for the BP Spill.
 
2012-09-15 12:45:33 AM

Mugato: Triumph: It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.

Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.


The Publicans are thoroughly if privately pissed off that Emmanuel Goldstein is sleeping with the fishes.
 
2012-09-15 12:46:08 AM
Fun fact:

The President who came closest to Dr No in regards to vetoes is Franklin Roosevelt; who had 372 regular vetoes plus 261 pocket vetoes. This far oustrips the vast majority of Presidents other than Grover Cleveland.
 
2012-09-15 12:46:27 AM

2wolves: Someone need a beej. Desperately.


Is it me?
 
2012-09-15 01:00:59 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?


Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.
 
2012-09-15 01:03:03 AM

Triumph: Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.

Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.


He flew onto an aircraft carrier sporting a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner and declared that major combat operations in Iraq were over (9 years too early, it turned out). The message seemed pretty clear to me. All Obama did was come out and say that bin Laden was dead.
 
2012-09-15 01:06:41 AM

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?

Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.


It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.
 
2012-09-15 01:13:54 AM

Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.


On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.
 
2012-09-15 01:20:30 AM

Triumph: Mugato: Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.

I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.


Then Bush takes the blame for the people killed on 9/11. Are you sure you want to go down this road?
 
2012-09-15 01:20:56 AM
Ron Paul would have blown up the WTC on September 10, 2001.
 
2012-09-15 01:24:26 AM
Yet another mother load of a thread for marking troll alts.
 
2012-09-15 01:25:05 AM

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


If your kids are playing in the yard, and the neighbor chucks a rock at a nearby wasp nest, who do you blame when a kid gets stung?
 
2012-09-15 01:26:51 AM
Y'know....I believe him.
 
2012-09-15 01:28:11 AM

Mikey1969: In video captured by BuzzFeed, Paul was describing how someone "rather nationally on the Internet" said Osama bin Laden would still be alive if he was in charge.

"You know what the answer is? So would the 3,000 people from 9/11 be alive," Paul said to a roaring crowd.

Really? BinLaden would still be alive, but the attacks would magically have not happened? Why? Because you don't believe in playing world police? That's fine, I agree on that, but there is no way that a new policy of not playing world police would have taken root in 10 months and changed Al Quaeda's decisions.


Why not? If we'd pulled all of our troops out of the Middle East and told Israel that they were on their own, Al Qaeda would have had better targets to hit.

The best comparison I can make this late at night is "Nobody will ever rape me because I consent to absolutely anything they want to do to me". It may be true, but it's a really bad idea.
 
2012-09-15 01:28:44 AM

LordJiro: Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.

If your kids are playing in the yard, and the neighbor chucks a rock at a nearby wasp nest, who do you blame when a kid gets stung?


Aquaman.
 
2012-09-15 01:31:14 AM

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


You're an insufferable asshole. The people that committed the murders are responsible.

Go back under the rock where you came from.
 
2012-09-15 01:35:47 AM

Rug Doctor: Then Bush takes the blame for the people killed on 9/11. Are you sure you want to go down this road?


Absolutely. The air defense breakdown at the Pentagon in particular was virtually inexcusable. If NORAD and the rest of the government did their job right, why did the government give huge sums to the victims' families on the condition that those families not sue the government?
 
2012-09-15 01:38:31 AM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Why not? If we'd pulled all of our troops out of the Middle East and told Israel that they were on their own, Al Qaeda would have had better targets to hit.


That's a pretty long shot gamble, and I'm not really sure you can stand down that many troops and close that many bases in such a short time. It might have worked, but 11 years later, Paul sure can armchair quarterback the fark out of this one, that's for sure.

Hell, I would have been happy if Bush had at least paid attention to all of the warnings and ATTEMPTED to do something, but I'm not sure that late in the game if Jesus Christ himself could have changed things. Everything started to go to shiat way back when Reagan was pouring assets into Afghanistan, and Bush the Elder just added fuel to the fire when we went into Kuwait. It was festering for a l-o-n-g time...
 
2012-09-15 01:45:18 AM

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


He's not going to f*ck you.
 
2012-09-15 01:47:15 AM

Rug Doctor: Triumph: Mugato: Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.

I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

Then Bush takes the blame for the people killed on 9/11. Are you sure you want to go down this road?


When a Republican is in charge and an attack occurs, we come together as a nation and everybody must be respectful, or else. When a Democrat is in charge, we go ahead and start blaming him before the attack is over, in the middle of the night. Makes perfect sense.
 
2012-09-15 01:55:21 AM

MacEnvy: Wait ... so Ron Paul thinks that if he was president in 2001, the prior 30 years of foreign affairs would never have occurred? Isn't his whole argument that every state action since the 70s precipitated it?


Well let's see.

Ron Paul would have scaled down intelligence operations budgets even more than Budget-bashin' Bush; making it harder to catch the terrorists.

50/50 on Ron Paul trying to expel foreigners or bring them in as cheap labor, which might have simply deported the terrorists.

He'd be scaling back international CIA operations, but that would take years for anyone in the region to notice.

He'd be closing foreign bases and bringing troops home, which wouldn't really do anything.

His obsession with bootstrappiness and guns might lead the passengers to be better prepared for an attack.

Oh yeah! He'd probably bungle the oft-forgotten Hainan Island incident so badly we'd have already been destroyed in nuclear war! There we go, that's a plausible explanation.
 
2012-09-15 02:02:25 AM

Triumph: Al Qaeda flag raised today over U.S. Embassy in Tunisia
(Black Standard)


You know, that may just be a pair of someone's stretch socks. All those guys over there look like the type to wear black socks with penny loafers.
 
2012-09-15 02:05:25 AM
If I were President, New York City would have been nuked long before 9-11. Doomity, doomity, doom!
 
2012-09-15 02:08:55 AM

Triumph: Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.

Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.


Mission Accomplished!
 
2012-09-15 02:09:33 AM
This just in, the GOP has been invaded by Zombies wearing Ron Paul buttons on t-shirts with the mysterious slogan "WE ARE THE TENT!" We'll be interupting regularly scheduled programming of your favorite shows as soon as we actually know anything or have something new to report. Please resume watching your mind-numbing crap for the profit of our sponsors, Robert Half and McDonald's Café.

It could happen. In an alternative universe. Where news programming isn't cheap mindless filler designed to zombify middle aged loonies.
 
2012-09-15 02:14:36 AM
Grammar threads make me moist.
 
2012-09-15 02:30:04 AM
I believe him completely. Because terrorists have never, ever attacked when tough-ass Rebulicans were President.

///not counting Reagan, Bush, or Bush
 
2012-09-15 02:31:38 AM
senile dementia is sad to watch
 
2012-09-15 02:31:49 AM

brantgoose: If I were President, New York City would have been nuked long before 9-11. Doomity, doomity, doom!


I wanted to sing the Doom Song!
 
2012-09-15 02:35:45 AM

Triumph: And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.


Exactly. And imagine if terrorists had actually managed to launch an attack inside the the US while Bush was in office. Those libs would have never let him live that down; I bet he'd never even have been re-elected.
 
2012-09-15 02:42:02 AM
What if Ron Paul was one of us?


/props, subby/
 
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