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2012-09-14 10:12:00 PM  
Oh Jesus....

Alex Jones is gonna cream his pants for every hour of his shiatty radio show next week claiming that this was a *WINK*WINK* that 9/11 was an inside job and Paul would have never had it happen.

farking A, Paul, if I knew you werent an idiot I would say that you would be catering to these voters.
 
2012-09-14 10:23:46 PM  
What a retarded thing to say. Are Republicans ever going to stop politicizing farking 9/11?

And he's 77? I mean I knew he was old but what retard would vote for a 77 year old president? Did we learn nothing from Reagan?
 
2012-09-14 10:26:24 PM  
Wait ... so Ron Paul thinks that if he was president in 2001, the prior 30 years of foreign affairs would never have occurred? Isn't his whole argument that every state action since the 70s precipitated it?
 
2012-09-14 10:28:47 PM  
It's so lonely being Ron Paul.
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2012-09-14 10:30:19 PM  
Someone need a beej. Desperately.
 
2012-09-14 10:36:23 PM  

Mugato: What a retarded thing to say. Are Republicans ever going to stop politicizing farking 9/11?


When a Democrat is in power: "It's the Democrats who's politicizing it!"
When they're in power: "Why aren't the Democrats more respectful towards the victims of 9/11?"
 
2012-09-14 10:37:29 PM  
th107.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-14 10:40:00 PM  
 
2012-09-14 10:49:08 PM  
He's probably right in the sense that American and United Airlines would have both been in Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Therefore, no terrorists could have hijacked their planes.
 
2012-09-14 10:51:45 PM  
You expect Ron Paul to understand the pluperfect subjunctive? He's still trying to learn how to spell "Ron."
 
2012-09-14 10:57:07 PM  
+100000 subby
 
2012-09-14 11:20:27 PM  

2wolves: Someone need a beej. Desperately.


Don't we all!?
 
2012-09-14 11:21:55 PM  

Triumph: Al Qaeda flag raised today over U.S. Embassy in Tunisia
(Black Standard)

CIA smuggles Stinger missiles to Al Qaeda fighters in Syria

But why would you "politicize 9/11?"


Your second link doesn't mention alqaeda.
 
2012-09-14 11:23:51 PM  
How would going back to the gold standard have stopped 9/11?
 
2012-09-14 11:24:40 PM  
RON PAUL

Is a write-in candidate. Get over it.
 
2012-09-14 11:25:38 PM  

Smackledorfer: Your second link doesn't mention alqaeda.


Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks.
 
2012-09-14 11:27:13 PM  
He has a point. Anyone other than Dubya or Mitt could say the same thing, though.
 
2012-09-14 11:28:05 PM  
August 27, 2012 12:15 PM
 
2012-09-14 11:28:45 PM  
Actually, I think Ron Paul is the one guy who might be able to make that claim.

Unfortunately, a lot of different horrible shiat would have happened instead.
 
2012-09-14 11:29:16 PM  

Mugato: What a retarded thing to say. Are Republicans ever going to stop politicizing farking 9/11?

And he's 77? I mean I knew he was old but what retard would vote for a 77 year old president? Did we learn nothing from Reagan?


That's why he's going for the crowd that was born after 1989...I mean, only they would believe that a 77-year-old lifelong Republican would be any different from the crap that's in there now...

...wait a minute, he's part of the crap that's in there now!
 
2012-09-14 11:29:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: August 27, 2012 12:15 PM


Paulnet becomes aware
 
2012-09-14 11:29:24 PM  

Triumph: Smackledorfer: Your second link doesn't mention alqaeda.

Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks.


[citation needed]
 
2012-09-14 11:30:28 PM  

fusillade762: How would going back to the gold standard have stopped 9/11?


Can you imagine trying to buy airline tickets with 40 pieces of kuggerrands?
 
2012-09-14 11:31:06 PM  

whidbey: RON PAUL

Is a write-in candidate. Get over it.


No, Ron Paul is a write-in candidate (not a type-in).
 
2012-09-14 11:33:58 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: August 27, 2012 12:15 PM

 
2012-09-14 11:34:56 PM  

propasaurus: Satanic_Hamster: August 27, 2012 12:15 PM


Not even a month has passed since it was posted. Chill, dude
 
2012-09-14 11:35:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: Smackledorfer: Your second link doesn't mention alqaeda.

Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks.

[citation needed]


LINK LINK [Let me Google that for you]
 
2012-09-14 11:36:03 PM  
If he were President... when? 2001? 1992-2001? 1990? 1967? Maybe in 1948, or 1918? I'm just curious which of the many events leading up to 9/11 he thinks he could have prevented.
 
2012-09-14 11:36:57 PM  

cman: propasaurus: Satanic_Hamster: August 27, 2012 12:15 PM

Not even a month has passed since it was posted. Chill, dude


Right, let's instead get back to mocking this senile old buffoon.
And Ron Paul.
 
2012-09-14 11:37:23 PM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: Smackledorfer: Your second link doesn't mention alqaeda.

Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks.

[citation needed]

LINK LINK [Let me Google that for you]


Neither of those mentions anything like your original claim:

"Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks."
 
2012-09-14 11:38:52 PM  
To be fair, he is the only [kinda] prominent politician in the US who publicly says we should cut off aid to Israel.

Which would greatly reduce animosity towards the US. Which might prevent 9/11 type attacks.

/ Not a Ron Paul fan
 
2012-09-14 11:40:52 PM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: Smackledorfer: Your second link doesn't mention alqaeda.

Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks.

[citation needed]

LINK LINK [Let me Google that for you]


Neither of those links mentions flags. Also, Al-Qaeda doesn't have a flag. A black shahada flag is not necessarily Al-Qaeda's.
 
2012-09-14 11:42:15 PM  
The planes would have been stopped by his Wall of Derp.
 
2012-09-14 11:44:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Neither of those mentions anything like your original claim:

"Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks."


I can't link to something I saw reported on TV, but you would think that my link stating "Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testifies before the Senate Armed Services Committee that Al-Qaeda's branch in Iraq likely carried out recent suicide bombings in Syria and has infiltrated opposition forces fighting President Bashar al-Assad's regime" would satisfy you. Troll.
 
2012-09-14 11:46:50 PM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Neither of those mentions anything like your original claim:

"Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks."

I can't link to something I saw reported on TV, but you would think that my link stating "Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testifies before the Senate Armed Services Committee that Al-Qaeda's branch in Iraq likely carried out recent suicide bombings in Syria and has infiltrated opposition forces fighting President Bashar al-Assad's regime" would satisfy you. Troll.


Why on Earth would it? You made an assertion that "MANY" of the rebels were flying non-existent Al-Qaeda flags. This implies a large number, not a few members infiltrating the broader opposition or carrying out a couple of recent bombings. Your implication was that the opposition in Syria IS Al-Qaeda. Troll.
 
2012-09-14 11:52:53 PM  

NobleHam: Why on Earth would it? You made an assertion that "MANY" of the rebels were flying non-existent Al-Qaeda flags. This implies a large number, not a few members infiltrating the broader opposition or carrying out a couple of recent bombings. Your implication was that the opposition in Syria IS Al-Qaeda. Troll.


My "implication" is that the CIA smuggling Stingers into Syria puts them potentially in reach of Al Qaeda, which has been established to have "infiltrated" the rebels there. And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.
 
2012-09-14 11:54:32 PM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Neither of those mentions anything like your original claim:

"Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks."

I can't link to something I saw reported on TV, but you would think that my link stating "Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testifies before the Senate Armed Services Committee that Al-Qaeda's branch in Iraq likely carried out recent suicide bombings in Syria and has infiltrated opposition forces fighting President Bashar al-Assad's regime" would satisfy you. Troll.


Why on Earth would you believe that a separate claim that a single attack MAY have been "Al-Qaeda-like" satisfies your claim that "Many of the rebels pouring into Syria are mercenaries flying the Al Qaeda flag off the backs of their trucks"?
 
2012-09-14 11:56:14 PM  

Triumph: And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.


Like when the Chinese knocked down and captured a US surveillance plane and crew and Bush apologized?

Or when planeloads of mostly Saudi terrorists took down the WTC and Bush invaded Iraq?

Yeah, he sure was the tough-guy effective Preznit, I tell you what.
 
2012-09-15 12:00:10 AM  
He's right. 100% right.

You could have made a schizophrenic homeless guy president in 2001, and he would've been like "DUDE, this daily briefing says this guy gonna run a plane into a building! Let's stop him!"

ANYONE could've stopped 9/11. George W. LET it happen. Why? Well... guess who got elected because you "don't change a horse in midstream."
 
2012-09-15 12:00:13 AM  

Triumph: NobleHam: Why on Earth would it? You made an assertion that "MANY" of the rebels were flying non-existent Al-Qaeda flags. This implies a large number, not a few members infiltrating the broader opposition or carrying out a couple of recent bombings. Your implication was that the opposition in Syria IS Al-Qaeda. Troll.

My "implication" is that the CIA smuggling Stingers into Syria puts them potentially in reach of Al Qaeda, which has been established to have "infiltrated" the rebels there. And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.


Well, for one thing those two things are completely unrelated. For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers. If they're in Syria, it's not to collect weapons. Lastly, nice strawman.
 
2012-09-15 12:00:26 AM  

COMALite J: whidbey: RON PAUL

Is a write-in candidate. Get over it.

No, Ron Paul is a write-in candidate (not a type-in).


So no "type early, type often?"
 
2012-09-15 12:01:33 AM  
Well if that's the case, he probably should have run for President in 1992, 1996, or 2000 so he could have had the chance to do something about it.
 
2012-09-15 12:02:39 AM  

Mugato: What a retarded thing to say. Are Republicans ever going to stop politicizing farking 9/11?

And he's 77? I mean I knew he was old but what retard would vote for a 77 year old president? Did we learn nothing from Reagan?


Pandering to the 77-year old retard market, I guess...
 
2012-09-15 12:02:47 AM  

jaytkay: Like when the Chinese knocked down and captured a US surveillance plane and crew and Bush apologized?

Or when planeloads of mostly Saudi terrorists took down the WTC and Bush invaded Iraq?

Yeah, he sure was the tough-guy effective Preznit, I tell you what.


I'm not defending Bush, just noticing that Obama's foreign policy choices are no better. His "We killed OBL" victory lap doesn't really hold up when a Black Standard gets raised over a U.S. Embassy. It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.
 
2012-09-15 12:03:42 AM  

halB: He's right. 100% right.

You could have made a schizophrenic homeless guy president in 2001, and he would've been like "DUDE, this daily briefing says this guy gonna run a plane into a building! Let's stop him!"

ANYONE could've stopped 9/11. George W. LET it happen. Why? Well... guess who got elected because you "don't change a horse in midstream."


Hm, here I thought the 2000 election was between two first-time nominees. Guess I was wrong...
 
2012-09-15 12:04:41 AM  

fusillade762: How would going back to the gold standard have stopped 9/11?

The Panic of 1907, also known as the 1907 Bankers' Panic, was a financial crisis that occurred in the United States when the New York Stock Exchange fell almost 50% from its peak the previous year. Panic occurred, as this was during a time of economic recession, and there were numerous runs on banks and trust companies. The 1907 panic eventually spread throughout the nation when many state and local banks and businesses entered bankruptcy. Primary causes of the run include a retraction of market liquidity by a number of New York City banks and a loss of confidence among depositors, exacerbated by unregulated side bets at bucket shops.[1] The panic was triggered by the failed attempt in October 1907 to corner the market on stock of the United Copper Company. When this bid failed, banks that had lent money to the cornering scheme suffered runs that later spread to affiliated banks and trusts, leading a week later to the downfall of the Knickerbocker Trust Company-New York City's third-largest trust. The collapse of the Knickerbocker spread fear throughout the city's trusts as regional banks withdrew reserves from New York City banks. Panic extended across the nation as vast numbers of people withdrew deposits from their regional banks.

The panic might have deepened if not for the intervention of financier J. P. Morgan[2], who pledged large sums of his own money, and convinced other New York bankers to do the same, to shore up the banking system. At the time, the United States did not have a central bank to inject liquidity back into the market. By November the financial contagion had largely ended, yet a further crisis emerged when a large brokerage firm borrowed heavily using the stock of Tennessee Coal, Iron and Railroad Company (TC&I) as collateral. Collapse of TC&I's stock price was averted by an emergency takeover by Morgan's U.S. Steel Corporation-a move approved by anti-monopolist president Theodore Roosevelt. The following year, Senator Nelson W. Aldrich, father-in-law of John D. Rockefeller, Jr., established and chaired a commission to investigate the crisis and propose future solutions, leading to the creation of the Federal Reserve System[3][4].


Good thing we had the gold standard and no Federal Reserve back then.
 
2012-09-15 12:05:27 AM  

NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.


They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?
 
2012-09-15 12:05:45 AM  

Triumph: I'm not defending Bush, just noticing that Obama's foreign policy choices are no better. His "We killed OBL" victory lap doesn't really hold up when a Black Standard gets raised over a U.S. Embassy. It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.


Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.
 
2012-09-15 12:06:48 AM  

Gyrfalcon: halB: He's right. 100% right.

You could have made a schizophrenic homeless guy president in 2001, and he would've been like "DUDE, this daily briefing says this guy gonna run a plane into a building! Let's stop him!"

ANYONE could've stopped 9/11. George W. LET it happen. Why? Well... guess who got elected because you "don't change a horse in midstream."

Hm, here I thought the 2000 election was between two first-time nominees. Guess I was wrong...


I'm sorry, did I really have to say "re-elected" when I'm already talking about "don't change a horse in midstream?"

Context clues - they're your friend. Don't be afraid to use them.
 
2012-09-15 12:10:12 AM  

Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?


Because "terrorism" as we've been taught of, doesn't actually exist. Look up the Bali bombings. What stops "terrorists" from doing this every single night in America? Nothing.

"It is obvious that in this time we must give up some of our freedoms so we can stop this scourge of terrorism once and for all."

- Stalin. Paraphrased.

Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.
 
2012-09-15 12:10:34 AM  

Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.


Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.
 
2012-09-15 12:11:05 AM  
In video captured by BuzzFeed, Paul was describing how someone "rather nationally on the Internet" said Osama bin Laden would still be alive if he was in charge.

"You know what the answer is? So would the 3,000 people from 9/11 be alive," Paul said to a roaring crowd.


Really? BinLaden would still be alive, but the attacks would magically have not happened? Why? Because you don't believe in playing world police? That's fine, I agree on that, but there is no way that a new policy of not playing world police would have taken root in 10 months and changed Al Quaeda's decisions. All of you Paul supporters that fell for that line are just as stupid as the Romney supporters who fall for his "I have a plan to fix everything, but I'm not going to tell anyone a single thing about it" bullshiat.
 
2012-09-15 12:12:22 AM  

Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?


Actually, not Stingers, SA-24s. From Qadaffi
 
2012-09-15 12:12:22 AM  

Triumph: NobleHam: Why on Earth would it? You made an assertion that "MANY" of the rebels were flying non-existent Al-Qaeda flags. This implies a large number, not a few members infiltrating the broader opposition or carrying out a couple of recent bombings. Your implication was that the opposition in Syria IS Al-Qaeda. Troll.

My "implication" is that the CIA smuggling Stingers into Syria puts them potentially in reach of Al Qaeda, which has been established to have "infiltrated" the rebels there. And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.


If monkeys flew out my butt, your momma.

/Good LORD, you are stupid.
 
2012-09-15 12:12:32 AM  

halB: Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.


Couldn't agree more.
 
2012-09-15 12:13:13 AM  

Triumph: halB: Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.

Couldn't agree more.


OK, that's one post out of 10 you were right.
 
2012-09-15 12:13:19 AM  

Triumph: Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.

Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.


No, he just declared that he didn't care about where the #1 most wanted man on the FBI list was or what he was doing.
 
2012-09-15 12:15:06 AM  

Mentat: fusillade762: How would going back to the gold standard have stopped 9/11?

The Panic of 1907, also known as the 1907 Bankers' Panic, was a financial crisis that occurred in the United States when the New York Stock Exchange fell almost 50% from its peak the previous year. Panic occurred, as this was during a time of economic recession, and there were numerous runs on banks and trust companies. The 1907 panic eventually spread throughout the nation when many state and local banks and businesses entered bankruptcy. Primary causes of the run include a retraction of market liquidity by a number of New York City banks and a loss of confidence among depositors, exacerbated by unregulated side bets at bucket shops.[1] The panic was triggered by the failed attempt in October 1907 to corner the market on stock of the United Copper Company. When this bid failed, banks that had lent money to the cornering scheme suffered runs that later spread to affiliated banks and trusts, leading a week later to the downfall of the Knickerbocker Trust Company-New York City's third-largest trust. The collapse of the Knickerbocker spread fear throughout the city's trusts as regional banks withdrew reserves from New York City banks. Panic extended across the nation as vast numbers of people withdrew deposits from their regional banks.

The panic might have deepened if not for the intervention of financier J. P. Morgan[2], who pledged large sums of his own money, and convinced other New York bankers to do the same, to shore up the banking system. At the time, the United States did not have a central bank to inject liquidity back into the market. By November the financial contagion had largely ended, yet a further crisis emerged when a large brokerage firm borrowed heavily using the stock of Tennessee Coal, Iron and Railroad Company (TC&I) as collateral. Collapse of TC&I's stock price was averted by an emergency takeover by Morgan's U.S. Steel Corporation-a move approved by anti-monopolist pres ...


Thank God all the rich people got together and decided to loan money to the US instead of the US issuing its own currency. Then convincing every other nation in the western world (and those we invaded) this was an awesome idea. We are so blessed.
 
2012-09-15 12:16:35 AM  

halB: He's right. 100% right.

You could have made a schizophrenic homeless guy president in 2001, and he would've been like "DUDE, this daily briefing says this guy gonna run a plane into a building! Let's stop him!"

ANYONE could've stopped 9/11. George W. LET it happen. Why? Well... guess who got elected because you "don't change a horse in midstream."


Imagine being this idiot i used to know; he kept the following in his head and it didn't asplode from dissonance:

Don't change a horse in midstream.
The War on Terror is a forever war.
I hate George W.
I will vote for George W.
I will show up to vote for George W. to support the President.
Ron Paul should be President.
Ron Paul would end the two wars.
John Kerry would end the two wars.
I don't think John Kerry would be as bad as W.
I talk about George W. and Ron Paul a lot.
I don't care about politics.
Don't stream change in a horse.
 
2012-09-15 12:18:40 AM  
I think what he's saying is that if he had been president, he wouldn't have been distracted by a raging hard-on to invade Iraq again, and he wouldn't have ignored the months of warnings from the CIA who were screaming that an attack was imminent. He's still a crazy motherfarker, though.
 
2012-09-15 12:19:09 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Actually, not Stingers, SA-24s. From Qadaffi


Lovely - so they've got those, but what we have to worry about is them lighting off bombs in their underwear, right?
 
2012-09-15 12:22:02 AM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Actually, not Stingers, SA-24s. From Qadaffi

Lovely - so they've got those, but what we have to worry about is them lighting off bombs in their underwear, right?


Yes, the United States is only capable of worrying about one single threat at a time. There is no way that Al Qaeda can take multiple approaches to bring down passenger jets.
 
2012-09-15 12:24:33 AM  

Mentat: Triumph: I'm not defending Bush, just noticing that Obama's foreign policy choices are no better. His "We killed OBL" victory lap doesn't really hold up when a Black Standard gets raised over a U.S. Embassy. It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.

Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.


Seriously.
Actually killing bin Laden is no better than a photo op.
That's his argument.
 
2012-09-15 12:28:49 AM  

Triumph: It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.


Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.
 
2012-09-15 12:31:30 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Yes, the United States is only capable of worrying about one single threat at a time. There is no way that Al Qaeda can take multiple approaches to bring down passenger jets.


If Al Qaeda's goal is to bring down more passenger jets, they're doing a lousy job so far. But if their goal is to create paranoid, liberty-sacrificing security state in America, they get a much higher grade.
 
2012-09-15 12:36:20 AM  

Mugato: Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.


I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.
 
2012-09-15 12:43:02 AM  

Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.


How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?
 
2012-09-15 12:43:19 AM  
From one of Triumph's links: "He singled out Egypt, saying the Muslim Brotherhood-led government was serving Israel by guarding its borders according to the terms of the Camp David peace treaty."

Hey waitafugginminute. I thought the Muslim Brotherhood was part of the Islam über Alles crowd.
 
2012-09-15 12:43:33 AM  
And if I was the son of a Billionaire I'd never have to worry about getting laid.


What's yer point Ron?
 
2012-09-15 12:44:44 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?


Same way he's responsible for the BP Spill.
 
2012-09-15 12:45:33 AM  

Mugato: Triumph: It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.

Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.


The Publicans are thoroughly if privately pissed off that Emmanuel Goldstein is sleeping with the fishes.
 
2012-09-15 12:46:08 AM  
Fun fact:

The President who came closest to Dr No in regards to vetoes is Franklin Roosevelt; who had 372 regular vetoes plus 261 pocket vetoes. This far oustrips the vast majority of Presidents other than Grover Cleveland.
 
2012-09-15 12:46:27 AM  

2wolves: Someone need a beej. Desperately.


Is it me?
 
2012-09-15 01:00:59 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?


Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.
 
2012-09-15 01:03:03 AM  

Triumph: Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.

Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.


He flew onto an aircraft carrier sporting a giant "Mission Accomplished" banner and declared that major combat operations in Iraq were over (9 years too early, it turned out). The message seemed pretty clear to me. All Obama did was come out and say that bin Laden was dead.
 
2012-09-15 01:06:41 AM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?

Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.


It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.
 
2012-09-15 01:13:54 AM  

Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.


On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.
 
2012-09-15 01:20:30 AM  

Triumph: Mugato: Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.

I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.


Then Bush takes the blame for the people killed on 9/11. Are you sure you want to go down this road?
 
2012-09-15 01:20:56 AM  
Ron Paul would have blown up the WTC on September 10, 2001.
 
2012-09-15 01:24:26 AM  
Yet another mother load of a thread for marking troll alts.
 
2012-09-15 01:25:05 AM  

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


If your kids are playing in the yard, and the neighbor chucks a rock at a nearby wasp nest, who do you blame when a kid gets stung?
 
2012-09-15 01:26:51 AM  
Y'know....I believe him.
 
2012-09-15 01:28:11 AM  

Mikey1969: In video captured by BuzzFeed, Paul was describing how someone "rather nationally on the Internet" said Osama bin Laden would still be alive if he was in charge.

"You know what the answer is? So would the 3,000 people from 9/11 be alive," Paul said to a roaring crowd.

Really? BinLaden would still be alive, but the attacks would magically have not happened? Why? Because you don't believe in playing world police? That's fine, I agree on that, but there is no way that a new policy of not playing world police would have taken root in 10 months and changed Al Quaeda's decisions.


Why not? If we'd pulled all of our troops out of the Middle East and told Israel that they were on their own, Al Qaeda would have had better targets to hit.

The best comparison I can make this late at night is "Nobody will ever rape me because I consent to absolutely anything they want to do to me". It may be true, but it's a really bad idea.
 
2012-09-15 01:28:44 AM  

LordJiro: Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.

If your kids are playing in the yard, and the neighbor chucks a rock at a nearby wasp nest, who do you blame when a kid gets stung?


Aquaman.
 
2012-09-15 01:31:14 AM  

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


You're an insufferable asshole. The people that committed the murders are responsible.

Go back under the rock where you came from.
 
2012-09-15 01:35:47 AM  

Rug Doctor: Then Bush takes the blame for the people killed on 9/11. Are you sure you want to go down this road?


Absolutely. The air defense breakdown at the Pentagon in particular was virtually inexcusable. If NORAD and the rest of the government did their job right, why did the government give huge sums to the victims' families on the condition that those families not sue the government?
 
2012-09-15 01:38:31 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Why not? If we'd pulled all of our troops out of the Middle East and told Israel that they were on their own, Al Qaeda would have had better targets to hit.


That's a pretty long shot gamble, and I'm not really sure you can stand down that many troops and close that many bases in such a short time. It might have worked, but 11 years later, Paul sure can armchair quarterback the fark out of this one, that's for sure.

Hell, I would have been happy if Bush had at least paid attention to all of the warnings and ATTEMPTED to do something, but I'm not sure that late in the game if Jesus Christ himself could have changed things. Everything started to go to shiat way back when Reagan was pouring assets into Afghanistan, and Bush the Elder just added fuel to the fire when we went into Kuwait. It was festering for a l-o-n-g time...
 
2012-09-15 01:45:18 AM  

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


He's not going to f*ck you.
 
2012-09-15 01:47:15 AM  

Rug Doctor: Triumph: Mugato: Oh bullshiat. Obama's been fairly low key about killing bin laden, at least compared to what Bush would have done. He had a banner made up as he flew onto an aircraft carrier dressed like the President from Independence Day and he didn't even do anything. You can't compare the two. The thing is that the republicans won't give Obama ANYTHING, not even acknowledging his flawless nailing of OBL.

I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

Then Bush takes the blame for the people killed on 9/11. Are you sure you want to go down this road?


When a Republican is in charge and an attack occurs, we come together as a nation and everybody must be respectful, or else. When a Democrat is in charge, we go ahead and start blaming him before the attack is over, in the middle of the night. Makes perfect sense.
 
2012-09-15 01:55:21 AM  

MacEnvy: Wait ... so Ron Paul thinks that if he was president in 2001, the prior 30 years of foreign affairs would never have occurred? Isn't his whole argument that every state action since the 70s precipitated it?


Well let's see.

Ron Paul would have scaled down intelligence operations budgets even more than Budget-bashin' Bush; making it harder to catch the terrorists.

50/50 on Ron Paul trying to expel foreigners or bring them in as cheap labor, which might have simply deported the terrorists.

He'd be scaling back international CIA operations, but that would take years for anyone in the region to notice.

He'd be closing foreign bases and bringing troops home, which wouldn't really do anything.

His obsession with bootstrappiness and guns might lead the passengers to be better prepared for an attack.

Oh yeah! He'd probably bungle the oft-forgotten Hainan Island incident so badly we'd have already been destroyed in nuclear war! There we go, that's a plausible explanation.
 
2012-09-15 02:02:25 AM  

Triumph: Al Qaeda flag raised today over U.S. Embassy in Tunisia
(Black Standard)


You know, that may just be a pair of someone's stretch socks. All those guys over there look like the type to wear black socks with penny loafers.
 
2012-09-15 02:05:25 AM  
If I were President, New York City would have been nuked long before 9-11. Doomity, doomity, doom!
 
2012-09-15 02:08:55 AM  

Triumph: Mentat: Is Osama bin Laden still dead? Yes? Did President Obama declare terrorism over when bin Laden died? No? Ok then.

Did Bush ever declare terrorism over? No? Ok then.


Mission Accomplished!
 
2012-09-15 02:09:33 AM  
This just in, the GOP has been invaded by Zombies wearing Ron Paul buttons on t-shirts with the mysterious slogan "WE ARE THE TENT!" We'll be interupting regularly scheduled programming of your favorite shows as soon as we actually know anything or have something new to report. Please resume watching your mind-numbing crap for the profit of our sponsors, Robert Half and McDonald's Café.

It could happen. In an alternative universe. Where news programming isn't cheap mindless filler designed to zombify middle aged loonies.
 
2012-09-15 02:14:36 AM  
Grammar threads make me moist.
 
2012-09-15 02:30:04 AM  
I believe him completely. Because terrorists have never, ever attacked when tough-ass Rebulicans were President.

///not counting Reagan, Bush, or Bush
 
2012-09-15 02:31:38 AM  
senile dementia is sad to watch
 
2012-09-15 02:31:49 AM  

brantgoose: If I were President, New York City would have been nuked long before 9-11. Doomity, doomity, doom!


I wanted to sing the Doom Song!
 
2012-09-15 02:35:45 AM  

Triumph: And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.


Exactly. And imagine if terrorists had actually managed to launch an attack inside the the US while Bush was in office. Those libs would have never let him live that down; I bet he'd never even have been re-elected.
 
2012-09-15 02:42:02 AM  
What if Ron Paul was one of us?


/props, subby/
 
2012-09-15 02:44:09 AM  

whidbey: RON PAUL

Is a write-in candidate. Get over it.


Best part? Forever...
 
2012-09-15 02:48:54 AM  
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Subby, I will personally recommend you for the Knight-Grammarian's Cross as soon as we get back to port. Well played, mein Herr.
 
2012-09-15 02:52:37 AM  
Sure, if he was in office since about 1940 sure. We've done too much damage since then for one president to do all the cleanup in one term.
 
2012-09-15 02:54:06 AM  

Biological Ali: Triumph: And if Bush had been in office and an Ambassador had been killed and the Black Standard had been raised over a U.S. Embassy, that it wouldn't be a minor deal.

Exactly. And imagine if terrorists had actually managed to launch an attack inside the the US while Bush was in office. Those libs would have never let him live that down; I bet he'd never even have been re-elected.


He shouldn't have been re-elected on the Pentagon fiasco alone. As I mentioned above, why did his administration pay big sums to victims' families on the condition they not sue the government? Did the families of victims at Pearl Harbor get a huge payout if they waived their legal rights? Since when does the government do that?
 
2012-09-15 03:01:12 AM  
Triumph:

Stop criticizing both parties in the Politics tab. It confuses the natives.
 
2012-09-15 03:25:29 AM  

tomasso: You expect Ron Paul to understand the pluperfect subjunctive? He's still trying to learn how to spell "Ron."


To be fair they didn't mention the subjunctive voice and its proper application in the US Constitution.
 
2012-09-15 03:35:01 AM  
Kurmudgeon 2012-09-15 02:02:25 AM

Triumph: YOU AQ GUYS SUCK FOREVER AND I HOPE THE UNITED STATES MARINES EAT YOU ALL ALIVE, USE YOUR SKINS FOR THEIR DRUMHEADS AND FARK YOUR SKULLS: sucky Al Qaeda flag raised today over non-sucky U.S. Embassy in non-sucky Tunisia (Black Standard of Massive Eternal Suckitude)

You know, that may just be a pair of someone's stretch socks. All those guys over there look like the type to wear black socks with penny loafers.


HEY you mutherfrakker, *I* wear black socks!! And I think I'm missing a pair! Those sock stealing bastards!!

But seriously, penny loafers can bite my kitty ass.
 
2012-09-15 03:39:41 AM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?

Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.


Fun fact: the President if Commander and Chief of the US armed forces and is about the only one who can authorize or not authorize such actions.

Another fun fact: al Qaeda etc. is a disorganized array of terrorists cells who only kinda-sort of get along and the term "al Qaeda" was created by the DOD more or less to classify these unrelated cells, and to better sell the war on terror to the public. Even before OBL's marginalization and assassination there was no direct command-control infrastructure.
 
2012-09-15 03:40:57 AM  

jaytkay: To be fair, he is the only [kinda] prominent politician in the US who publicly says we should cut off aid to Israel.

Which would greatly reduce animosity towards the US. Which might prevent 9/11 type attacks.

/ Not a Ron Paul fan


OVERUSED BROKEN CLOCK FOLKISM
 
2012-09-15 03:51:42 AM  

Tanqueray: Triumph:

Stop criticizing both parties in the Politics tab. It confuses the natives.


That was a douchey comment. You know he wasn't criticizing both parties. You right wing trolls have decided to retcon history and tell everybody that Bush wasn't one of yours even though you voted for him twice and only bailed on him when you realized it would hurt elections.
 
2012-09-15 03:52:50 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: jaytkay: To be fair, he is the only [kinda] prominent politician in the US who publicly says we should cut off aid to Israel.

Which would greatly reduce animosity towards the US. Which might prevent 9/11 type attacks.

/ Not a Ron Paul fan

OVERUSED BROKEN CLOCK FOLKISM


If it were up to Paul we would have zero allies.
 
2012-09-15 03:58:06 AM  

halB: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Because "terrorism" as we've been taught of, doesn't actually exist. Look up the Bali bombings. What stops "terrorists" from doing this every single night in America? Nothing.

"It is obvious that in this time we must give up some of our freedoms so we can stop this scourge of terrorism once and for all."

- Stalin. Paraphrased.

Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.


Someone has never heard of Genghis Khan.
 
2012-09-15 04:02:32 AM  

cman: Oh Jesus....

Alex Jones is gonna cream his pants for every hour of his shiatty radio show next week claiming that this was a *WINK*WINK* that 9/11 was an inside job and Paul would have never had it happen.

farking A, Paul, if I knew you werent an idiot I would say that you would be catering to these voters.


What if Clarence Boddicker had worked for ALEX Jones?

/I guess I'm just saying it would've been an entirely different movie...
 
2012-09-15 04:08:24 AM  

Sabyen91: Crotchrocket Slim: jaytkay: To be fair, he is the only [kinda] prominent politician in the US who publicly says we should cut off aid to Israel.

Which would greatly reduce animosity towards the US. Which might prevent 9/11 type attacks.

/ Not a Ron Paul fan

OVERUSED BROKEN CLOCK FOLKISM

If it were up to Paul we would have zero allies.


That's part of him being wrong 22 hours of the day in my mind...
 
2012-09-15 04:10:18 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Sabyen91: Crotchrocket Slim: jaytkay: To be fair, he is the only [kinda] prominent politician in the US who publicly says we should cut off aid to Israel.

Which would greatly reduce animosity towards the US. Which might prevent 9/11 type attacks.

/ Not a Ron Paul fan

OVERUSED BROKEN CLOCK FOLKISM

If it were up to Paul we would have zero allies.

That's part of him being wrong 22 hours of the day in my mind...


He reminds me of the Lindbergh in WWII. Isolationism isn't a proper stance. Weigh the pros and cons but don't act like the rest of the world has no impact on you.
 
2012-09-15 04:14:15 AM  

LordJiro: Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.

If your kids are playing in the yard, and the neighbor chucks a rock at a nearby wasp nest, who do you blame when a kid gets stung?


Kind of racist to compare Muslims to mindless insects. I suppose if you have that worldview, though, they really are blameless.
 
2012-09-15 04:46:31 AM  
Has the United States ever farked with a country on behalf of its corporations and ever improved the place? I mean, yeah, I get Hitler needed to go but he was only there b/c we farked up with WWI. Why doesn't everybody just stay out of everyone else's way? Trade our products, travel, enjoy one another. Why do we have to be such dicks about everything?
 
2012-09-15 05:09:32 AM  
Help on the Way


Link
 
2012-09-15 05:24:53 AM  

halB: Gyrfalcon: halB: He's right. 100% right.

You could have made a schizophrenic homeless guy president in 2001, and he would've been like "DUDE, this daily briefing says this guy gonna run a plane into a building! Let's stop him!"

ANYONE could've stopped 9/11. George W. LET it happen. Why? Well... guess who got elected because you "don't change a horse in midstream."

Hm, here I thought the 2000 election was between two first-time nominees. Guess I was wrong...

I'm sorry, did I really have to say "re-elected" when I'm already talking about "don't change a horse in midstream?"

Context clues - they're your friend. Don't be afraid to use them.


The Republicans never use them, why should I?
 
2012-09-15 05:26:33 AM  
schubie 2012-09-15 04:46:31 AM

Has the United States ever farked with a country on behalf of its corporations and ever improved the place? I mean, yeah, I get Hitler needed to go but he was only there b/c we farked up with WWI. Why doesn't everybody just stay out of everyone else's way? Trade our products, travel, enjoy one another. Why do we have to be such dicks about everything?

Uh...well...when I'm REALLY PISSED at the human race I tend to call us nasty names like "shiat-apes".

Most of it's our genetic and instinctive hardwiring. We're primates with overclocked forebrains, basically. Territorial, tribalistic, and competitive. Obviously it's how a creature with otherwise weak natural defenses came to conquer a planet.

Only a relative handful of humans have managed to transcend our "shiat-ape" primate nature because they used their INTELLIGENCE to think about their own thoughts. They had just enough civilization around to aid them in that endeavour, and just enough leisure time to devote to thinking abstractly. Zen Masters is one good example.

But there's one really overwhelming modern-day problem: we've permitted a set of artificially constructed tribes called "media corporations" to swamp out and then drown our thinking patterns.

Not to mention a whole host of other equally stupid and much older self inflicted troubles.

Like heeding the words of the glassy eyed desert madmen who mumble of glamours and fabulous, mind-destroying wonders as they stagger through the villages and are not driven out.
 
2012-09-15 05:29:40 AM  

MacEnvy: Wait ... so Ron Paul thinks that if he was president in 2001, the prior 30 years of foreign affairs would never have occurred? Isn't his whole argument that every state action since the 70s precipitated it?


Maybe he means if he were president for the 1996-2000 term or the 1994-1996 term when the embassy bombings that build bin Laden's rep occurred, and saying he would have responded more strongly? No, wait, he's a libertarian, I guess he's saying that he'd respond more weakly and that would help somehow.
 
2012-09-15 05:33:18 AM  

FarkedOver: 2wolves: Someone needs a beej. Desperately.

Don't we all!?


Not to that level of desperation.
 
2012-09-15 05:37:38 AM  

Triumph: I'm not defending Bush, just noticing that Obama's foreign policy choices are no better. His "We killed OBL" victory lap doesn't really hold up when a Black Standard gets raised over a U.S. Embassy. It isn't any better than Bush's stupid Mission Accomplished photo op.


You haven't seen a "victory lap" yet. Obama has done no such photo op. Obama is a far superior president than Bush, and not the Coke vs Pepsi kind of superior. It's quantifiable. I'm sorry, but there is no plausible way to drag the entire conversation down to a level more comfortable for you.
 
2012-09-15 05:43:31 AM  

schubie: Has the United States ever farked with a country on behalf of its corporations and ever improved the place? I mean, yeah, I get Hitler needed to go but he was only there b/c we farked up with WWI. Why doesn't everybody just stay out of everyone else's way? Trade our products, travel, enjoy one another. Why do we have to be such dicks about everything?


Dude, chimpanzees war with each other over territory and rights to females and food. If it's that hard-wired in us, you're not going to see peace love & understanding any time soon. People LIKE to fight, it's in our genes. Humans in general are still on a caveman "My tribe good! Your tribe bad!" mentality, for all that a few individuals have transcended it. We're slaves to our biology and limbic system mentality that says if someone else has something, it means there's less for me, so I better go grab it!
 
2012-09-15 05:44:11 AM  
Holy balls, I just read Triumph's profile.

Attention Millenials

In 1973, Nixon convinced OPEC (Saudi Arabia) to price oil in dollars and that created an artificially strong dollar which attracted cheap imports and exported U.S. manufacturing. Then Clinton kept the dollar rally going by turbocharging the financial industry by deregulating derivatives, repealing Glass-Steagal and evolving Wall Street into an untended casino that turned more and more criminal every year and has perverse outcomes as a by-product. Bush didn't go after the Wall Street crooks (he transferred all the FBI financial fraud guys to fight terror), neither has Obama (no bankers, not even Corzine, charged), and Romney sure as hell won't do anything, so sorry you're working low-wage kids, but that's what happens in a kleptocracy. Neither party will help you. Notice how they both want to destabilize Syria, even if that means teaming up with Al Qaeda - anything for the Saudis as long as they keep the petrodollars rolling into the Fed.

It's not worth the bother, guys.
 
2012-09-15 05:54:42 AM  
Whoaa, he's really tripping them.

www.nightbiscuit.com
 
2012-09-15 06:24:15 AM  

Triumph: Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.


Fair is fair. If Steve Jobs gets credit for helping put Pixar on the map, then Steve Jobs gets the blame when one of his employees dies in a fatal car accident.
 
2012-09-15 07:28:06 AM  
Still cracks me up: Bring on the steamed croutons!
 
2012-09-15 07:38:17 AM  

Triumph: Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.


Bullshiat. Obama made the call on Obama after re-opening the case as it were after Bush said he didn't care about him. Obama took a big risk and it worked. That has nothing in common with an ambassador getting killed half way around the world.
 
2012-09-15 07:50:47 AM  
What he means is a Tuesday is a terrible day to lay people off, or blow them up in this case. He would have had it happen on a Friday.
9/7 or 9/14.
 
2012-09-15 08:04:58 AM  
Already with the Bush is the same as Obama when it comes to terror B.S.? Let's go to the tape:

WASHINGTON, July 7 - A secret military operation in early 2005 to capture senior members of Al Qaeda in Pakistan's tribal areas was aborted at the last minute after top Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, according to intelligence and military officials.

The target was a meeting of Qaeda leaders that intelligence officials thought included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's top deputy and the man believed to run the terrorist group's operations.

But the mission was called off after Donald H. Rumsfeld, then the defense secretary, rejected an 11th-hour appeal by Porter J. Goss, then the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, officials said. Members of a Navy Seals unit in parachute gear had already boarded C-130 cargo planes in Afghanistan when the mission was canceled, said a former senior intelligence official involved in the planning.
 
2012-09-15 08:27:59 AM  
The members of the Project for a New American Century laugh and smoke their victory cigars.
 
2012-09-15 08:33:19 AM  

Mugato: Triumph: Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.

Bullshiat. Obama made the call on Obama after re-opening the case as it were after Bush said he didn't care about him. Obama took a big risk and it worked. That has nothing in common with an ambassador getting killed half way around the world.


Oh, george w. bush and the rest of the neocon artists very much did care about Osama bin Emmanuel Goldstein.
 
2012-09-15 08:35:40 AM  

Jim_Callahan: MacEnvy: Wait ... so Ron Paul thinks that if he was president in 2001, the prior 30 years of foreign affairs would never have occurred? Isn't his whole argument that every state action since the 70s precipitated it?

Maybe he means if he were president for the 1996-2000 term or the 1994-1996 term when the embassy bombings that build bin Laden's rep occurred, and saying he would have responded more strongly? No, wait, he's a libertarian, I guess he's saying that he'd respond more weakly and that would help somehow.


Well, none of Paul's ravings take into account the fact that unless an entirely different bunch of people had occupied the legislatures at that time, he would have been politically incapable of enacting 95% of his policy goals. He really seems to live in some alternate univers.
 
2012-09-15 08:36:46 AM  
The caption "what stinger missiles look like" in triumph's second link I suppose is correct because they look SORT of LIKE that, but seriously, wtf?
 
2012-09-15 08:37:51 AM  
Old Man STILL yelling at clouds.

Go away, Paul. Just go away.
 
2012-09-15 08:40:33 AM  

Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?


Because "Stinger" isn't the name of Hermione's magic wand but a rather old surface-to-air weapon with limited range.
 
2012-09-15 08:43:15 AM  

thamike: Holy balls, I just read Triumph's profile.

Attention Millenials

In 1973, Nixon convinced OPEC (Saudi Arabia) to price oil in dollars and that created an artificially strong dollar which attracted cheap imports and exported U.S. manufacturing. Then Clinton kept the dollar rally going by turbocharging the financial industry by deregulating derivatives, repealing Glass-Steagal and evolving Wall Street into an untended casino that turned more and more criminal every year and has perverse outcomes as a by-product. Bush didn't go after the Wall Street crooks (he transferred all the FBI financial fraud guys to fight terror), neither has Obama (no bankers, not even Corzine, charged), and Romney sure as hell won't do anything, so sorry you're working low-wage kids, but that's what happens in a kleptocracy. Neither party will help you. Notice how they both want to destabilize Syria, even if that means teaming up with Al Qaeda - anything for the Saudis as long as they keep the petrodollars rolling into the Fed.

It's not worth the bother, guys.


I wonder why he is so pro-Assad. Is he anti-Israel and thinks Assad is more effectively hostile than the opposition?
 
2012-09-15 08:46:02 AM  
i.imgur.com 

The enemy trembles.
 
2012-09-15 08:47:19 AM  

schubie: Has the United States ever farked with a country on behalf of its corporations and ever improved the place? I mean, yeah, I get Hitler needed to go but he was only there b/c we farked up with WWI. Why doesn't everybody just stay out of everyone else's way? Trade our products, travel, enjoy one another. Why do we have to be such dicks about everything?


We farked up WWI? Seems we handled that one pretty well. It's our allies who farked up the aftermath..
 
2012-09-15 08:48:41 AM  
To be fair, it probably doesn't matter who it was, but if a republican was president at the time, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-09-15 09:10:38 AM  

snowshovel: To be fair, it probably doesn't matter who it was, but if a republican was president at the time, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.


Your evidence?
 
2012-09-15 09:12:36 AM  
If Ron Paul had been President from 1970 through 2000, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-09-15 09:14:25 AM  

themindiswatching: Mugato: What a retarded thing to say. Are Republicans ever going to stop politicizing farking 9/11?

When a Democrat is in power: "It's the Democrats who's politicizing it!"
When they're in power: "Why aren't the Democrats more respectful towards the victims of 9/11?"


Which party showed a shamefully manipulative 9/11 video at their 2008 convention? Which party is home to the politician referred to as Noun-Verb-9/11?
 
2012-09-15 09:15:13 AM  

shotglasss: snowshovel: To be fair, it probably doesn't matter who it was, but if a republican was president at the time, 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

Your evidence?


"Compassionate conservative" is just another code word for "weak". It should've been Cheney.
 
2012-09-15 09:17:44 AM  

Local_User: Help on the Way


Link


and furthermore: Link
 
2012-09-15 09:26:31 AM  

Hobo Jr.: 2wolves: Someone need a beej. Desperately.

Is it me?


Get in line.
 
2012-09-15 09:39:04 AM  
If I join Ron Paul on his future Presidential trip to stop 9/11, will I have to bring my own weapons? I've never done this before.
 
2012-09-15 10:03:42 AM  
That settles it. We need retroactively to elect Ron Paul as President in the 2000 election.

Politicians make ridiculous promises about what will happen in the future all of the time, but this is the first time I have ever known of a politician's making a promise about what would have happened in the past.
 
2012-09-15 10:19:42 AM  

tirob: That settles it. We need retroactively to elect Ron Paul as President in the 2000 election.


I think we should straight-up do this.

America: "Congratulations, Dr. Paul! We've decided to retroactively elect you president in 2000!"

RP: "Uh, what?"

America: "Yep! Congrats! Seriously - we know you've wanted this for some time, and we're glad we could finally give it to you. We're thinking of awarding you 2004 as well, just to make the continuity work a little better!"

RP: "But, uh, that's not..."

America: "Of course, with two terms done, you won't be eligible for future elections, but we know how hard you worked for this! Is it ideal? No, we admit it isn't. But how many people get to be president! You should be proud!"

RP: "Now wait just a goddamn minu..."

America: "We also know your legacy won't be as rose-colored as your promises, but whose presidency ever is? I'm sure you'd have done some things differently, especially with a friendlier Congress. Just like Obama! You and he can know the same struggle to get your idealistic positions through hostile waters! As your supporters keep telling us, you'd not be able to enact most of the stuff you wanted anyway because of the balance of powers, so we figure this is a pretty good compromise."

RP: *BANG!*

America: "Today, we mourn the passing of a former president - the first to commit suicide, perhaps out of grief and regret over what was such a promising presidency..."
 
2012-09-15 10:22:04 AM  
Well given that his FP is non-intervention and that he would have withdrawn military forces from their lands it would have gone a good way in quelling some of the hate they have towards us. Though I am not sure it would have been enough. But the point is our farking around in other peoples lands has a tendency to piss them off. Not because we have McDonald's and the highest prison population in the world freedom
 
2012-09-15 11:06:01 AM  
DON'T LET THE SUBJUNCTIVE DIE
 
2012-09-15 11:53:02 AM  

Triumph: Tor_Eckman: It was a consulate.

Don't let a silly thing like facts get in your way though. As long as you can place blame. Doesn't matter that good people died. As long as you can place blame.

On Terry Jones. It's all his fault.


No, it's not his fault. People make inflammatory movies/books/essays all the time in this country and it hardly ever results in anything more than angry letters. The rioters made the choice to riot over a movie that no one had ever heard of and that's not not even MST3K quality. That doesn't make Terry Jones or the producer of this movie any less of d-bags, but it's pretty clear now that the attack on the Libyan facility had nothing to do with the movie.
 
2012-09-15 12:55:07 PM  
If I was president 9/11 wouldn't have happened either...
 
2012-09-15 01:02:31 PM  

2wolves: Someone need a beej. Desperately.


Me?
 
2012-09-15 02:03:26 PM  

MartinD-35: halB: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Because "terrorism" as we've been taught of, doesn't actually exist. Look up the Bali bombings. What stops "terrorists" from doing this every single night in America? Nothing.

"It is obvious that in this time we must give up some of our freedoms so we can stop this scourge of terrorism once and for all."

- Stalin. Paraphrased.

Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

Someone has never heard of Genghis Khan.


It's spelled Chinngis Khan, actually.
 
2012-09-15 02:34:33 PM  

jaytkay: To be fair, he is the only [kinda] prominent politician in the US who publicly says we should cut off aid to Israel.

Which would greatly reduce animosity towards the US. Which might prevent 9/11 type attacks.

/ Not a Ron Paul fan

-=-
They do not want you to be fair. No. It's not part of them.

Everything is about money. RP would be stopping some of that money flow out to countries in various ways, like closing bases and by auditing the Fed. Once the money flow decreases, the furiners will be hurting for that cash. The people will tire of being broke and have a revolution. Eh? Eh?

But there is no way he can nor could have stopped the HATE the extremists have for us because that started long ago... as he has stated... by the US instilling the Shaw of Iran. We lit the fires and it has consumed about a fourth of the worlds population so far. Paul can't fix that.

But as said above, 9/11 was let happen. You do not disregard notices from your people that things are building up. And if somehow Paul had been President, I think he could not have stopped it because no one would have told him about these things..., you know... to let it happen.
Bush went along with it. (I don't think he had a choice.)

/ Seriously. You have just been told the trade centers have been attacked, you would at least "be surprised", get up and leave the kids with an apology. 
// And Bush was too bumpkin to act the part.

OMG, there's a hole in my tin foil. Gotta go.
 
2012-09-15 03:06:36 PM  
Really? He would have taken down the military-industrial-congressional complex? Last guy that tried to do that ended up with his brains spread across the trunk of a convertible.
 
2012-09-15 03:45:41 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Mugato: What a retarded thing to say. Are Republicans ever going to stop politicizing farking 9/11?

And he's 77? I mean I knew he was old but what retard would vote for a 77 year old president? Did we learn nothing from Reagan?

Pandering to the 77-year old retard market, I guess...


And yet his voters are consistently younger adults and college-age folks.

I know this is fark, but at least make your insults vaguely related to the thread.
 
2012-09-15 03:53:29 PM  
Pity that article was more or less useless and didn't actually go over what he said.

Ah well, it's just fark. I did like this little snippet though.

"He told The New York Times for a story Sunday that he was denied a chance to speak because he refused to let the Romney campaign vet his remarks and give an unconditional endorsement."

Romney: "Well, if you won't let us tell you what to say or say that you support me regardless of what I do, you can't come speak."
Ron Paul: "No thanks."

/glad he's sticking to his guns at least!
//one of the few out there who seems to...
 
2012-09-15 04:37:12 PM  
The beauty about being a Paultard is that you can smugly hypothesize all you want about how much better things would be if RON PAUL were President, because the crazy old coot is hopelessly unelectable, so his crazy theories are never going to get put into practice.

Sure, if Ron Paul had gotten elected sometime in the 80s, maybe 90s, and withdrawn ALL troops from the Middle East, there is a chance 9/11 wouldn't have happened, but you can say the same about Gary Johnson, Dennis Kucinich, or every other candidate that has a non-intervention stance on foreign policy.

But then again, we'd also be a Confederacy.
 
2012-09-15 04:39:21 PM  
"If I were president, if I were president
I'd make sure all the money spent
Onnnnnnnn, good things
I wouldn't have no lint in my pocket
I'd rock it rock it I'd shock it
I would not jock the fact that there are
Rich people in the world because yo I got a girl
And she needs new clothes and I need new sneakers
And that's all I know"
 
2012-09-15 04:43:10 PM  

cuzsis: Romney: "Well, if you won't let us tell you what to say or say that you support me regardless of what I do, you can't come speak."
Ron Paul: "No thanks."

/glad he's sticking to his guns at least!
//one of the few out there who seems to...


From what I recall, every speech was vetted except Eastwood's, and we all know how well that worked out. Not that I'm defending Romney, but trying to make sure a speaker doesn't embarass the nominee is SOP at any convention. He's free to speak his mind and criticize Romney, but why would he expect the GOP let him do it at their convention?
 
2012-09-15 07:12:31 PM  

HighOnCraic: "If I were president, if I were president
I'd make sure all the money spent
Onnnnnnnn, good things
I wouldn't have no lint in my pocket
I'd rock it rock it I'd shock it
I would not jock the fact that there are
Rich people in the world because yo I got a girl
And she needs new clothes and I need new sneakers
And that's all I know"




Timely reference from a FANTASTIC album:



factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-09-15 07:29:26 PM  

gameshowhost: Really? He would have taken down the military-industrial-congressional complex? Last guy that tried to do that ended up with his brains spread across the trunk of a convertible.


Carter? He hated convertibles.
 
2012-09-15 07:33:44 PM  

gameshowhost: Really? He would have taken down the military-industrial-congressional complex? Last guy that tried to do that ended up with his brains spread across the trunk of a convertible.


I thought that was because he owed money/favors to the Maffeeyuh.
 
2012-09-15 08:10:31 PM  

Apos: HighOnCraic: "If I were president, if I were president
I'd make sure all the money spent
Onnnnnnnn, good things
I wouldn't have no lint in my pocket
I'd rock it rock it I'd shock it
I would not jock the fact that there are
Rich people in the world because yo I got a girl
And she needs new clothes and I need new sneakers
And that's all I know"



Timely reference from a FANTASTIC album:



[factmag-images.s3.amazonaws.com image 500x400]


It sounds better when the pipe is packed.
 
2012-09-16 01:44:54 AM  
The majority of you are obviously simpletons so I'll clarify what he meant. He meant that he would not have ignored all of the memos that warned the attacks were going to happen. That he wouldn't have been incompetant. As for him not winning a single state he very well would have if there wasn't widespread voting and election fraud. Google it yourself.
 
2012-09-16 02:06:15 AM  

ParagonComplex: As for him not winning a single state he very well would have if there wasn't widespread voting and election fraud. Google it yourself.


Seeing as how Ron Paul wasn't anything remotely resembling a Presidential candidate in 2000, this statement is over the top absurd.
 
2012-09-16 06:41:23 AM  

ParagonComplex: The majority of you are obviously simpletons


If this be true, we aren't the only ones.

ParagonComplex: He meant that he would not have ignored all of the memos that warned the attacks were going to happen.


No, I understand Paul to mean that he would have conducted US foreign policy to the satisfaction of Osama bin Laden, thereby removing any motivation for al-Qaeda to attack us.

ParagonComplex: That he wouldn't have been incompetant.


I find it difficult to believe that Paul would make such a claim based on his record.

ParagonComplex: As for him not winning a single state he very well would have if there wasn't widespread voting and election fraud.


If what you write is true, then I say two cheers for voting and election fraud.
 
2012-09-16 08:54:22 AM  

ParagonComplex: voting and election fraud.


I do not believe that supporters of Ron Paul, who voted against extending the Voting Rights Act of 1965, are in a moral position to complain about chicanery at the polls anywhere, anytime.
 
2012-09-16 08:04:25 PM  

tirob: ParagonComplex: The majority of you are obviously simpletons

If this be true, we aren't the only ones.

ParagonComplex: He meant that he would not have ignored all of the memos that warned the attacks were going to happen.

No, I understand Paul to mean that he would have conducted US foreign policy to the satisfaction of Osama bin Laden, thereby removing any motivation for al-Qaeda to attack us.

ParagonComplex: That he wouldn't have been incompetant.

I find it difficult to believe that Paul would make such a claim based on his record.

ParagonComplex: As for him not winning a single state he very well would have if there wasn't widespread voting and election fraud.

If what you write is true, then I say two cheers for voting and election fraud.


Simpletons, as you just proven for me.
 
2012-09-16 08:33:35 PM  

ParagonComplex: tirob:
Simpletons, as you just proven for me.


If my arguments are as simple as you say, they should be easy for an intelligent person like you to refute, shouldn't they?
 
2012-09-17 05:53:37 AM  

halB: MartinD-35: halB: Triumph: NobleHam: For another, Al-Qaeda already has stingers.

They do? Then why aren't they shooting down planes?

Because "terrorism" as we've been taught of, doesn't actually exist. Look up the Bali bombings. What stops "terrorists" from doing this every single night in America? Nothing.

"It is obvious that in this time we must give up some of our freedoms so we can stop this scourge of terrorism once and for all."

- Stalin. Paraphrased.

Terrorism has now been used for 100 years to justify draconian and dictatorial measures.

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

Someone has never heard of Genghis Khan.

It's spelled Chinngis Khan, actually.


Well, it could also be Timmojin, or something like that. Really, nobody knows for sure, but the most common English usage was as I used it. Seriously, you finding the basement at mom's a little confining these days?
 
2012-09-18 03:54:45 AM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: I wouldn't say he's been low-key, but I'll give him the credit. But that also means he takes the blame for the first Ambassador killed in about three dozen years.

How is Obama responsible for Terry Jones making an anti-Muslim video?

Fair is fair. If he gets credit for how well the military takes out OBL, he gets blame for how well the State Department secures its embassies.



Remember when conservatives still blame Carter for the failed hostage rescue mission?
 
2012-09-18 03:56:59 AM  

ParagonComplex: The majority of you are obviously simpletons so I'll clarify what he meant. He meant that he would not have ignored all of the memos that warned the attacks were going to happen. That he wouldn't have been incompetant. As for him not winning a single state he very well would have if there wasn't widespread voting and election fraud. Google it yourself.



It's always a good day on Fark when you can tag another Libertarian idiot so disconnected from reality
 
2012-09-18 05:11:34 AM  

intelligent comment below: ParagonComplex: The majority of you are obviously simpletons so I'll clarify what he meant. He meant that he would not have ignored all of the memos that warned the attacks were going to happen. That he wouldn't have been incompetant. As for him not winning a single state he very well would have if there wasn't widespread voting and election fraud. Google it yourself.


It's always a good day on Fark when you can tag another Libertarian idiot so disconnected from reality


It's always a good day on Fark when you can let passive-aggressive simpletons feed their superiority complex in the mindset that what they think actually matters in their day to day life and have them ignore you so that you do not have to bother weeding them out on your own.
 
2012-09-18 06:56:27 AM  

ParagonComplex: intelligent comment below:It's always a good day on Fark when you can let passive-aggressive simpletons feed their superiority complex in the mindset that what they think actually matters in their day to day life and have them ignore you so that you do not have to bother weeding them out on your own.


Speaking of passive aggression, care to respond to any of my points yet? Or is it voter suppression only when Ron Paul is the victim of it, rather than the perpetrator?
 
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