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2012-09-14 07:29:35 PM
Actually, if it's based on their Touchsmarts, it would be nice.

shopping.hp.com
 
2012-09-14 08:47:37 PM
I'm not sure I understand the hate for HP. I've got an HP Pavilion Elite desktop from 2007. I replaced the video card when the old one died, but other than that, it works great.
 
2012-09-14 09:11:08 PM

James F. Campbell: I'm not sure I understand the hate for HP.


WebOS failed to gain ground in an Apple-dominated market that was already being flooded by wave after wave of Android products. Therefore, HP bad...or something
 
2012-09-14 09:15:27 PM
And it's a windows phone to boot?
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-14 10:08:02 PM
I'm posting this from a cell phone they abandoned a few weeks after I bought it, so I'd like to give a few HP execs a kick in the face.
 
2012-09-14 10:17:55 PM
HP: The "me too!" company.
 
2012-09-14 10:18:28 PM

Lor M. Ipsum: James F. Campbell: I'm not sure I understand the hate for HP.

WebOS failed to gain ground in an Apple-dominated market that was already being flooded by wave after wave of Android products. Therefore, HP bad...or something


WebOS was never allowed to gain ground. It was simply killed off. And the WebOS user experience was heads above the horror show that was Android.

/although Jelly Bean has improved the user experience for the .8% of the users who can actually run it
//but the carriers will make sure it remains awful going forward
 
2012-09-14 10:19:27 PM
Suck it, subby. My 4 HP Touchpads and this here HP Probook-intosh are very well made.

HP just needs to forget about customers using the HP OEM OS.
 
2012-09-14 10:19:45 PM
no, just because they may decide to kill the division off six months after they came out with a new phone
 
2012-09-14 10:23:47 PM
When I think of HP it makes me think of printers. Will it have a printer option?

/Apparently someone thought it was useful, I just found out there is a printer for Palm Pilots

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-09-14 10:28:28 PM
People still aren't buying what Meg Whitman's selling. Shocking.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:58 PM
Here's what you can do HP, come up with an open standards based platform so people can roll their own. Call it Femto-ITX whatever. Give radioshack, and Best Buy, and Frys something else to sell.
 
2012-09-14 10:49:35 PM
Better yet, get in contact with Blackberry and allow them to use any technologies that you have from that sweet little Palm portfolio, whatever may be in it, and work with them to incorporate them into the Blackberry phones. I think if they partnered instead of going the typical, ZOMG Android! Route, the two could cook something pretty cool.

HP/Blackberry Smartphone partnership leading to a neat device? I'm all for it. I'm waiting for a farking projector in my phone with Kinect abilities. Make it happen before someone can cook it up so it works without a hitch.
 
2012-09-14 10:52:31 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if HP tries to by Nokia or Research in Motion in order to pull this off. Sure, it doesn't make any sense, but that has not stopped HP from making expensive and stupid takeovers before.
 
2012-09-14 10:56:01 PM
HP stopped releasing drivers for a printer I paid $400 for, about 3 years after I bought it. For that, I have never forgiven them.
 
2012-09-14 10:59:02 PM

gingerjet: WebOS was never allowed to gain ground. It was simply killed off. And the WebOS user experience was heads above the horror show that was Android.


Killed off? If you mean made available on several generations of hyped Pre devices, the Pixi and the TouchPads that sold like absolute crap for over 2 years then finally pulled, then yes it was killed off.
 
2012-09-14 11:01:02 PM

davidphogan: I'm posting this from a cell phone they abandoned a few weeks after I bought it, so I'd like to give a few HP execs a kick in the face.


Leo Apotheker is the idiot you need to punch in the face.

He was brought in to replace Mark Hurd, who was putting unwelcome moves on a consultant, from SAP software, the German software company that specializes in incorporating schadenfreude into time tracking software. Leo wasn't a hardware guy, and hatched a plan to rid HP of that nasty stuff... setting unrealistic sales goals for the Touchpad (and Palm devices in general) and announcing a plan to spin the PC and peripherals division off at the same time he punched the abort button on all things Palm (the infamous fire sale).

He was a disaster for the company, which is why he was quickly replaced and the plan to sell off the hardware division dumped. It was too late for Palm, though... the fire sale pretty much killed anything of value out of that effort.

All that said, Meg Whitman is right - HP needs to get into mobile sales before we really are in the "post-PC" era of computing (we aren't there yet, but it will be here in less then 5 years). It will be interesting to see if they stop trying to out-Apple the Apple corporation. HP doesn't have the "brand magic" Apple does, so it can't market different flash memory capacity SKUs to weasel $100 for each "upgrade" - they need to leverage features and work with wireless carriers to subsidize; without that, anything they field will fail.

The Touchpad has its flaws... they should have put an SD or MicroSD slot in the thing, and it should have been introduced with 3G and marketed through a carrier to offset the too-high price. The screen was pretty decent, and it had its own version of "gorilla glass"... and webOS incorporated features Android has only recently added.

Of course, at $100 for the fire sale, the Touchpad was a steal.
 
2012-09-14 11:05:06 PM
Why you guys hating on HP? The reinvented the way the office place works before Apple had it's zen power. They were true innovators and they always make a solid product. I've never been disappointed in the hardware. Though who knows how they do with a phone.
 
2012-09-14 11:06:38 PM

whatshisname: HP stopped releasing drivers for a printer I paid $400 for, about 3 years after I bought it. For that, I have never forgiven them.


Same here, although the default HP driver built into Win 7 seems to work pretty well, and it didn't require me to download and install 100MB of useless crap.
 
2012-09-14 11:15:36 PM

Branbot: Why you guys hating on HP? The reinvented the way the office place works before Apple had it's zen power. They were true innovators and they always make a solid product. I've never been disappointed in the hardware. Though who knows how they do with a phone.


Sadly, the HP of yore (an AMAZING company) is gone, dead, and buried.

They have no focus, no vision and no speciality now.

The statement that they "have" to have a smartphone to stay relevent should clue you into who they're so farked.

What exactly, is HP good at? How will they leverage this to beat, literally, the best consumer tech companies on the planet? (Google, Apple, Microsoft).

And everyone talks about how we'll live in a post PC era, and frankly that terrifies me. I'm not some old fogey who wants to tweak his linux kernel, but come on. We're really going to dump the keyboard, mouse and screen? Or do people mean those are going to become quaint specialty items that we're going to have to shell out the big bucks for while everyone uses ipad7s?

/still owns and programs for iphones and ipads.
 
2012-09-14 11:35:17 PM

Esc7: And everyone talks about how we'll live in a post PC era, and frankly that terrifies me. I'm not some old fogey who wants to tweak his linux kernel, but come on. We're really going to dump the keyboard, mouse and screen? Or do people mean those are going to become quaint specialty items that we're going to have to shell out the big bucks for while everyone uses ipad7s?


Eventually, our mobile phones will get docked to our 2 or 3 screens and keyboard/mouse on the desktop.

The "desktop" won't ever go away, it's simply too productive. Table/work-surface interfaces look cool (and are), but hard to look cool when it starts getting cluttered up with papers and coffee cup rings. Touchscreens don't do well when you have to hold your arm up all day long (whcih is why the Win8 UI is major fail for desktop and laptop PCs).

That said, our mobile devices will continue to get more powerful, allowing us to use them for more and more functionality.

Of course, there is a danger there, as well.... lose your phone, and you are, at least temporarily, screwed. Sure, you'll have everything shadowed in "the cloud", and that future mobile computer will probably be locked down with biometrics, encryption, and passcodes, but you'll still have to replace the missing device.

The next step is a bit scarier.... embedding the computer into our bodies. Who knows when that will happen, but it will.
 
2012-09-14 11:38:07 PM

Esc7: Branbot: Why you guys hating on HP? The reinvented the way the office place works before Apple had it's zen power. They were true innovators and they always make a solid product. I've never been disappointed in the hardware. Though who knows how they do with a phone.

Sadly, the HP of yore (an AMAZING company) is gone, dead, and buried.

They have no focus, no vision and no speciality now.

The statement that they "have" to have a smartphone to stay relevent should clue you into who they're so farked.

What exactly, is HP good at? How will they leverage this to beat, literally, the best consumer tech companies on the planet? (Google, Apple, Microsoft).

And everyone talks about how we'll live in a post PC era, and frankly that terrifies me. I'm not some old fogey who wants to tweak his linux kernel, but come on. We're really going to dump the keyboard, mouse and screen? Or do people mean those are going to become quaint specialty items that we're going to have to shell out the big bucks for while everyone uses ipad7s?

/still owns and programs for iphones and ipads.


the 3Com Audrey was 10 years ahead of its time.
 
2012-09-14 11:38:36 PM
James F. Campbell: I'm not sure I understand the hate for HP.

I do. Every HP product that I've purchased has died well before its time..printers, laptops, PDAs (yes those were years ago). The only thing I have from them that hasn't died on me (yet) is my Touchpad that I got during last year's fire sale.

I used to hold them in such high regard. Now, I just avoid HP altogether.
 
2012-09-14 11:41:12 PM
So, how long will they stay in the smartphone business this time? One year? Two?

Seriously, if you're going to buy anything other than a Wintel system or a printer from HP, given their track record, you're a fool.
 
2012-09-14 11:58:56 PM

Walker: And it's a windows phone to boot?


Android dual core qualcomm chip. Codename "Bender"
 
2012-09-15 12:10:07 AM

EasilyDistracted: James F. Campbell: I'm not sure I understand the hate for HP.

I do. Every HP product that I've purchased has died well before its time..printers, laptops, PDAs (yes those were years ago). The only thing I have from them that hasn't died on me (yet) is my Touchpad that I got during last year's fire sale.

I used to hold them in such high regard. Now, I just avoid HP altogether.


Same.

First and foremost, I've had nothing but issues from HP equipment, and as you said, the touchpad was the first non-disappointment. Secondly, but no less important, the shiat they pull with their printers was the final straw.

What was it you ask? I fully expected to pay a lot for ink, but I wanted an inkjet to do some glossy prints every now and then. Well, got it working, printed out some test items, and thought it was pretty good. Then a month or so in, after printing maybe 10 actual photos, the yellow began to run low. No big deal, I'm just printing my resume so I'll just use black.... wait, it is saying that it MUST have a yellow cartridge with ink even if all I want to print is a black and white copy and the BLACK cartridge is 90% full. Annoying, and bugged that there was no 'override', I ended up printing my resume at a friend's house.

So I picked up the yellow cartridge, the printer had been working ok and I was ready to do another round of photo prints. *Please replace all of your OTHER cartridges because they have expired* WTF? Ok, so now my other cartridges are too old and HP now wants me to replace every single one... So do I replace them, and then have my Yellow cartridge report it is expired out of sync with the other cartridges? How long have these other cartridges been sitting on the shelf? Could I buy 4-5 of these things and end up with them only having 2 months left of usable life?

So, I said fark it, bought a color laser printer designed for business use and have a company print out my photos for me.


That, and I don't need 18 programs installed on my PC to bug me about buying genuine HP paper just to run the god damned printer.
 
2012-09-15 12:20:28 AM

symbolset: Walker: And it's a windows phone to boot?

Android dual core qualcomm chip. Codename "Bender"


So it's 40% dolemite?
 
2012-09-15 12:26:06 AM
Codename "Bender"

You know what "Bender" means in Britain?

NTTTAWWT
 
2012-09-15 12:26:21 AM

EasilyDistracted: <i><b>James F. Campbell</b>: I'm not sure I understand the hate for HP.</i>

I do. Every HP product that I've purchased has died well before its time..printers, laptops, PDAs (yes those were years ago). The only thing I have from them that hasn't died on me (yet) is my Touchpad that I got during last year's fire sale.

I used to hold them in such high regard. Now, I just avoid HP altogether.



I bought the dv series laptop that had the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_Pavilion_%28computer%29#Overheating_i s sue. Sucker would heat up to about 130 degrees then die. Turns out there was a design flaw with the motherboard. They put the CPU and GPU right next to one another and used a tiny Heat sink that barely covered the GPU.They continued fixing the same problem over and over until the warranty expired. I only got about 3 months of use out of it.


I'll never purchase another product from them.


//I can just imagine how well something even smaller from them will perform.
 
2012-09-15 12:47:27 AM

whatshisname: HP stopped releasing drivers for a printer I paid $400 for, about 3 years after I bought it. For that, I have never forgiven them.


2003 model.

www.tonerrefillkits.com

Running perfectly on Win7.
 
2012-09-15 12:54:40 AM
It just doesn't make any damn sense. I mean, if Windows Phones were selling like hot cakes and Phone 8 was the most hotly anticipated mobile OS in history, sure, throw together a handset and go for it. But what is a smartphone going to be for HP right now besides a very efficient way to shred $300 million? Meg says that HP "has" to have a smartphone...why? Why is it necessary to spend all that time and money on developing a half-assed smartphone that consumers will ignore in an already glutted market, and your business sales guys will end up giving away to corporate buyers just to make the numbers look halfway decent. And don't give me any of that WebOS nonsense, because just come on. Yeah, you're going to convince developers they need to release for a fourth mobile operating system.
 
2012-09-15 12:57:43 AM
It probably stops displaying colors at random and asks you to pay $100 for a 'toner refill' which only lasts half as long as advertised.
 
2012-09-15 01:05:21 AM

LesserEvil: He was brought in to replace Mark Hurd, who was putting unwelcome moves on a consultant,


I am pretty sure that that is not true, though it's clouded with legal settlements so who knows. The real story is far more interesting and is a story of a board shooting its company in the foot in the name of political correctness (and probably a good helping of greed) and the advice of an idiot PR firm.

Letter That Led to Downfall of Hewlett Chief Surfaces

Oracle's Ellison: HP's Board Made Worst Mistake Since Apple Fired Jobs

i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com

FWIW, I've been very happy with my various HP desktops, I loved WebOS itself, but found the Palm Pre unusable, and I love my HP Touchpad running CyanogenMod.
 
2012-09-15 01:09:18 AM

kim jong-un: Secondly, but no less important, the shiat they pull with their printers was the final straw.


The sad thing is, HP printers used to be damn near indestructible (for example, the LaserJet II, III, and IV), and the stuff from when HP was truly Hewlett-Packard was always top-notch. I still have my 25+ year old HP-11C calculator, and it works as well now as it did when it was brand-new - not to mention that it has something stamped on the housing that you almost never see anymore: "Made in U.S.A."

Another company flushed down the toilet by Wall Street.
 
2012-09-15 02:36:13 AM

LesserEvil: Eventually, our mobile phones will get docked to our 2 or 3 screens and keyboard/mouse on the desktop.


Let's say you can build a hand held device with a 3 TB SSD, 16 GB of RAM, 4 GHz processor that doesn't melt when you turn it on and has a decent battery life, you still have to have the infrastructure to provide mobile connectivity speeds that would make it worth having all that in your insanely smart phone or iSP. I don't see that happening anytime soon in the United States. At this point we can't seem to provide dependable high speed broadband in most of the country, even tech areas like the Silicon Valley via land lines let alone mobile.
 
2012-09-15 02:57:47 AM
I've had mixed experiences with HP. Just be glad that Dell don't completely compete with HP products.

I've never buy a HP or Dell smartphone.

Work will probably invest in some sort of Win8 (RT) tablet though, due to lower TCO (total cost of ownership)
 
2012-09-15 05:42:46 AM
I've never owned a HP/Palm phone, but I love the touchpad. I'm dual-booting WebOS/ICS, and the only problem I've ever had with the device was a sound glitch that disappeared when I installed CyanogenMod (so I'm pretty sure it was a software issue). If they can make a phone that runs like this, I'd certainly take a look at it (though probably not with Windows 8).

I stopped buying printers years ago, when I realized that for the rare times I need to print a few pages, Kinko's is fine. I do still have an old HP print/scan/fax/copy device, and it works fine for scanning... haven't used it for anything else in several years.
 
2012-09-15 06:27:25 AM

LesserEvil: he next step is a bit scarier.... embedding the computer into our bodies. Who knows when that will happen, but it will.


Scarier still: the yearly release cycle of the new line if iMplants
 
2012-09-15 07:56:53 AM
Anyone else remember when HP used to be more about things that looked like this: 

i263.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-15 08:14:41 AM
nucal: Anyone else remember when HP used to be more about things that looked like this: 

Oh yeah. My first non-calculator HP experience was with an HP Gas Chromatograph. What a great piece of technology.
 
2012-09-15 08:18:09 AM
Android is dominant in the phone market.

If HP wants to make phones they need yo be android phones, unless they have a hardware feature that other phones dont that will sell the phone on its own.
 
2012-09-15 08:19:54 AM

davidphogan: I'm posting this from a cell phone they abandoned a few weeks after I bought it, so I'd like to give a few HP execs a kick in the face.


Not posting from my Pre2, nor one of my Touchpad but aside that...THIS!

Palm screwed up royally, they had a product that should have worked, but between so many mistakes, if didn't get a chance.

Then HP buys it, does the exact same thing.

Heck, once the firesale was done, they had a LOT of people finally getting to see how WebOS worked and I seldom hear complaints aside "not enough apps", which could have been fairly easy to fix, but the fact was, they HAD a client base that was large enough to consider getting the next version or such, had they pushed properly. But again, they missed the opportunity and now it's too late as the time as passed.... unless they would go for another loss, at least for a while, bring out extremely low priced devices again, and run with it. In time, once enough people get to play with a new generation of WebOS, they'd probably stick with it.

Considering that after playing with Apple and Android devices, the WebOS is the simplest of them all, and yet has enough heart for the technical people.

So would I consider a new HP smartphone?... only if it comes with WebOS.
 
2012-09-15 08:20:59 AM

nucal: Anyone else remember when HP used to be more about things that looked like this: 


Im still waiting for the touchscreen calculator with rpn...better than a 48gx emulator, which replaced my 50g
 
2012-09-15 08:38:07 AM
Anyone who buys an el cheap inkjet deserves what they get. Especially when printing pictures, easier to put them on a memory stick and take them to Walmart or staples.

Hp Laserjets are tough gear and still survive. My HP scanner from 2002 works in windows 7, even scans negatives to pics, but when you buy the low end from any company you end up buying twice.

HP Ipaq phones were also solid devices back in the day that many power users carried around.

I also bought a 32 gig Tablet on a firesale, and run the ICS on it, and for 149 bucks, I could not have not gotten a better deal, despite its lack of ports, it is a great tablet especially when coupled with its charging stone and a wireless keyboard. so with all the accessories, i paid just about 210, with a tablet that does all I need it for. Netflix, lightweight for international travel so I dont have to lug a laptop, and an ereader.

HP could come back with a phone if they used android and combined it with an interface from their palm patent portfolio.
 
2012-09-15 08:51:50 AM

Animatronik: nucal: Anyone else remember when HP used to be more about things that looked like this: 

Im still waiting for the touchscreen calculator with rpn...better than a 48gx emulator, which replaced my 50g


like this?

Link
 
2012-09-15 11:51:01 AM
Given the dearth of smartphones out there, thank god HP is entering the market to help address the severe shortage of options. I wonder why no other company in the world has ever thought to make a phone that can do more than make calls and send texts.Thank you HP for blazing the trail! Will you also start making a computer that I can own at home? Perhaps you could call it a 'personal computer' or PC for short. Let me know how that goes.
 
2012-09-15 12:06:26 PM

mecaenas: Given the dearth of smartphones out there, thank god HP is entering the market to help address the severe shortage of options. I wonder why no other company in the world has ever thought to make a phone that can do more than make calls and send texts.Thank you HP for blazing the trail! Will you also start making a computer that I can own at home? Perhaps you could call it a 'personal computer' or PC for short. Let me know how that goes.


HP has made smart phones for the last ten years...Arguably trailblazing the market as you see it now.
 
2012-09-15 01:08:01 PM

theflatline: HP Palm has made smart phones for the last ten years...Arguably trailblazing the market as you see it now.


then Palm got lazy and then was purchased by HP who screwed the pooch
 
2012-09-15 01:27:20 PM

StoPPeRmobile: whatshisname: HP stopped releasing drivers for a printer I paid $400 for, about 3 years after I bought it. For that, I have never forgiven them.

2003 model.

Running perfectly on Win7.


1995 Model:
www.gtprinters.com

Running perfectly on Win7. 

The first toner cartridge lasted me 15 years, and even then when I replaced it, wasn't empty. The mechanical innards had worn out so it was printing splotches.

(Hint: You need a $10 USB/Parallel cable. Manually install it as an HP PCL6 printer.)
 
2012-09-15 01:34:56 PM

netringer: StoPPeRmobile: whatshisname: HP stopped releasing drivers for a printer I paid $400 for, about 3 years after I bought it. For that, I have never forgiven them.

2003 model.

Running perfectly on Win7.

1995 Model:
[www.gtprinters.com image 325x222]

Running perfectly on Win7. 

The first toner cartridge lasted me 15 years, and even then when I replaced it, wasn't empty. The mechanical innards had worn out so it was printing splotches.

(Hint: You need a $10 USB/Parallel cable. Manually install it as an HP PCL6 printer.)


I have an even older LaserJet 4L, running perfectly on a Mac running Snow Leopard. Even with the USB-to-Parallel adapter cable, Mac OS X automatically detected it and set up the appropriate Gutenprint driver--I literally just had to plug it in, and it was ready to go.
 
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