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(Badass Digest)   Here are the ten best moments in Star Trek history, a list that, for some reason, includes the 2009 Abrams bastardization and leaves out Deep Space Nine   (badassdigest.com) divider line 57
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2012-09-14 03:52:23 PM
5 votes:
"Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies! This is a travesty of the highest order!"
2012-09-14 03:41:51 PM
5 votes:
Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.
2012-09-14 10:57:17 PM
2 votes:

Shostie: elchip: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.

I'm going to have to disagree somewhat. The first season of TNG was awful. For the second Riker grew the beard and there was a marked uptick in the quality of the show.

What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

But that's just my preference. If Berman Trek gets your rocks off, then more power to ya.


We had 4 series of "Monster of the Week, Problem of the Week, solve it and status quo is God". DS9 was a very welcome breath of fresh air. Another good thing about long arcs and stationary settings is that you can devote more time and energy to better stories and characterization, and DS9 had both in spades. Hell, Worf got more characterization in 3.5 seasons of DS9 than he did in 7 seasons and four movies of TNG. And DS9 was willing to take chances, to shake things up and show that the future isn't 100% sunshine and kittens.

As for the 2009 movie, the franchise had been in a rut since Voyager. It was stagnant and wallowing and needed a shot in the air. Trek 2009 brought in new fans, returned to the spirit of the silly TOS and allowed a fresh start for a new set of adventures with characters at once familar and different.
2012-09-14 10:12:22 PM
2 votes:

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


"Never tell the same lie twice."
2012-09-14 10:09:27 PM
2 votes:
So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf
2012-09-14 09:43:16 PM
2 votes:

Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]


Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant
2012-09-14 09:40:02 PM
2 votes:
List fails without Locutus
2012-09-14 09:22:41 PM
2 votes:
DS9 is the best, and yet, always forgotten by everyone outside of some of us here on Fark. They always mention Voyager and Enterprise, but never DS9. Odd.

The new movie wasn't bad at all. I liked it. I didn't like how much of a douche they made Kirk. But I also didn't expect him to be a Shatner clone. However, this new Kirk was more hanging-off-cliffs yet still getting lucky than actually-being-damn-good at anything like Shatner's Kirk, who was the God Damn Batman of Star Trek. But maybe Pine's Kirk will be a little more seasoned (or whatever) this time around.

/DS9 wasn't Berman trek. That would be Voyager.
//DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.
2012-09-14 09:15:47 PM
2 votes:
"1. Edith Keeler Sums Up Kirk And Spock In City On The Edge Of Forever"

And Harlan Ellison once again is sent into an apoplectic rage.]


also its TOS>DS9>TNG>VOY>ENT
2012-09-14 08:54:26 PM
2 votes:

sno man: cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.

Enterprise was farked by the writer strike Berman and Braga.... It should have been awesome.


When Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens took over for the final season, they did the show people wanted to see from the beginning instead of the Space Nazis in Time! show that made people tune out after season 2.

/sorry, don't feel like farking with fans of Nu-Trek tonight. We just did that last week.
2012-09-14 03:12:30 PM
2 votes:

CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager


LOLWUT
2012-09-14 03:10:24 PM
2 votes:

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


To quote Emo Phillips:
"Die Heretic!"
2012-09-15 10:54:08 PM
1 votes:

ThatBillmanGuy: Kirk never met Q, so it's sort of unfair to judge Sisko the greatest captain.


He did slap Trelane who was (non-canonically) a baby Q.
2012-09-15 09:26:17 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: NeoCortex42: klaatuwolf: The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.

And Q never bothered the station again. If only Picard had realized how simple it was.

The Q character never made any sense. He's not all seeing, he's definitely all knowing. No omnipotent creature could possibly be constantly surprised at everything the puny humans do. Sisko recognized how poorly written the character was and just knocked him the fark out.


The Q are omnipotent, in that they have supreme control over the physical laws of existence, but they are neither omniscient nor omnipresent. They are both local and time-bound -- they experience the passage of time in the same way most other species do, and thus experience a concept of space (though the bounds of their awareness are far more vast than most species). They are not gods, they are merely godlike aliens.

It's never safe to assume that any of Q's actions (or reactions, such as surprise) are genuine. It is entirely possible, even probable, that Q is acting his reactions, and that all of his hostility and arrogance are deliberate manipulations of human psychology. He could very well be intentionally presenting himself as an arrogant, overbearing and obnoxious godlike being in order to motivate a specific reaction from Picard and his crew. Q definitely appears to have a specific agenda regarding the Enterprise and its crew (I think Q is in many ways indirectly responsible for the Federation surviving contact with the Borg), and perhaps being seen as an antagonist was the most effective means of pushing that agenda.
2012-09-15 07:33:11 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: NeoCortex42: The supporting characters of Voyager were so dull that even the writers forgot that Naomi's mother was still alive, which is why she just suddenly disappeared. They thought they had killed her off.

I thought Naomi Wildman's mother was killed on an away mission, since 7 became her sort of surrogate mother. Well I wasn't talking about the supporting characters, just the bridge crew.


So did the writers. After the series was finished, the writers have said in interviews that they simply thought they had killed her off, but it turned out they never did.

And I think supporting characters are very important for the shows. TNG didn't really have much in the way of recurring roles outside of the main cast aside from O'Brien and some admirals. DS9 had a great set of recurring characters, both heroes and villains. Also, Garak. DS9 wins.
2012-09-15 06:48:14 PM
1 votes:

AaronSynn: TNG vs DS9

Better effects and space battles-DS9 easily.
Regular characters viewers cared about:
TNG: Picard, Riker, Troi, Wesley, Beverly, Yar (i guess), DATA, Geordi, Worf, Guinan (maybe), O'Brien
DS9: Sisko, Jake, Dax(2 of them), Kira, Worf and O'Brien (both of which had much more character development here), Odo, Quark, Rom, Nog, Bashir, Garak, Vic Fontaine.
Recurring villain:
TNG: Q
DS9: Gul Dukat, Changeling biatch, Weyoun (sp?)
(DS9 wins)
TNG: Mostly stand alone episodes.
DS9: Epic story arcs.
(Individual preference)


I say advantage DS9 but I'd like to give the much reviled Voyager a day in court

Seven of Nine, yes she has big boobies but she also had a pretty decent character arc from mindless drone to a condescending biatch to a real human
Janeway, yeah it's a joke that she's a woman who immediately got lost but she got her crew through some shiat and had even less ethics than Sisko
Tom and Harry, clearly made for each other. Their bromance was deeper than that of Dr. Bashir and O'Brien and their holodeck exploits were cooler
Bellana, I dig violent girls with short black hair
The Doctor, another great character arc and some pretty good performances with a lot of humor
....and the rest, none of them really pissed me off. Except Chakotay, he was worthless.

...so Voyager might not have been the best show but it had a solid crew
2012-09-15 05:22:18 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: Q was a case of Depending On The Writer. Watch all of his episodes in the three series and you'll see how he constantly flip-flops between all-powerful judgmental asshole, giggling fanboy of Picard's, and mischievous Puck-style goofball. To say nothing of his behavior in Voyager.

I've been re-visiting Voyager for the first time since they originally aired on Netflix and after exhausting all the interesting Seven of Nine episodes, I resorted to some of the earlier ones and the Q episodes really REALLY suck in V'ger. I mean horrible writing.

But even when he was a supposed bad ass, when he put humanity on trial, his actions still weren't those of an omnipotent being who by definition of that word, knew everything that was around the corner and certainly couldn't be surprised by anything an amoeba like Picard could throw at him.

The closest the character came to actually living up to what he was supposed to be was in the episode where PIcard dies and Q lets him undo the event that caused him to die. Undoing that event farked up Picard's life and Q seemed to already know that. It was the only episode where he actually acted like an omnipotent being.

But if the writers of the Bible can't make an omnipotent being make any sense, what chance did Rick Berman's writing staff have?


It works better if you remember that Q is full of himself and only boasts of being omnipotent. He has power, but not sense, and he's far from invincible. His and Guinan's first on-screen encounter show that he fears her and her species a bit (never explained, though, but he also never tried doing anything to her).
2012-09-15 05:13:54 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Q was a case of Depending On The Writer. Watch all of his episodes in the three series and you'll see how he constantly flip-flops between all-powerful judgmental asshole, giggling fanboy of Picard's, and mischievous Puck-style goofball. To say nothing of his behavior in Voyager.


I've been re-visiting Voyager for the first time since they originally aired on Netflix and after exhausting all the interesting Seven of Nine episodes, I resorted to some of the earlier ones and the Q episodes really REALLY suck in V'ger. I mean horrible writing.

But even when he was a supposed bad ass, when he put humanity on trial, his actions still weren't those of an omnipotent being who by definition of that word, knew everything that was around the corner and certainly couldn't be surprised by anything an amoeba like Picard could throw at him.

The closest the character came to actually living up to what he was supposed to be was in the episode where PIcard dies and Q lets him undo the event that caused him to die. Undoing that event farked up Picard's life and Q seemed to already know that. It was the only episode where he actually acted like an omnipotent being.

But if the writers of the Bible can't make an omnipotent being make any sense, what chance did Rick Berman's writing staff have?
2012-09-15 04:58:58 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: NeoCortex42: klaatuwolf: The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.

And Q never bothered the station again. If only Picard had realized how simple it was.

The Q character never made any sense. He's not all seeing, he's definitely all knowing. No omnipotent creature could possibly be constantly surprised at everything the puny humans do. Sisko recognized how poorly written the character was and just knocked him the fark out.


Q was a case of Depending On The Writer. Watch all of his episodes in the three series and you'll see how he constantly flip-flops between all-powerful judgmental asshole, giggling fanboy of Picard's, and mischievous Puck-style goofball. To say nothing of his behavior in Voyager.
2012-09-15 12:59:23 PM
1 votes:
The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.
2012-09-15 10:39:31 AM
1 votes:

Fano: Well, presumably that would be unstoppable. Didn't they show in the new Trek that the range of transporters is limitless? Rendering starships partially useless?


...doesn't subspace communication and AI, something that has been a staple of the series since TOS, render starships and manned exploration obsolete?
2012-09-15 10:18:38 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: OnlyM3: You do know berman was running TNG, right

People shiat on Berman and he did go off the rails towards the end (or maybe middle) there but TNG under Roddenberry was abysmal.


I don't know man. People kept saying the best TNG was S3-S6. That was the time Michael Piller was an active showrunner on TNG before he went to DS9, taking Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore with him. While Voyager, when it began, was Berman, Brannon Braga and Jeri Taylor's project. Seems like the constant factor for quality in a majority of farkers here appears to be Michael Piller, RIP.

There was also Ron Moore's interview on IGN where he said he enjoyed his time as producer and writer on DS9 and when DS9 ended, Berman asked him to join Voyager as executive producer. He found that writers under Berman only wrote and wasn't allowed to view the shooting of episodes to talk to and get feedback from the actors and directors. He quit after one episode (Barge of the Dead, IIRC).
2012-09-15 10:03:03 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.


Well, presumably that would be unstoppable. Didn't they show in the new Trek that the range of transporters is limitless? Rendering starships partially useless?
2012-09-15 08:54:14 AM
1 votes:
www.webpan.com
2012-09-15 05:20:13 AM
1 votes:
DS9 sucked, and everyone knows it was nothing but a cheap rip-off of Bablyon 5.
2012-09-15 03:00:10 AM
1 votes:

Magruda: Great Janitor: Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language.

As a person who is both estudiante espanol and sprechen sie deutsch serr klien, I find this statment to be totally false.

A good linguist could have gotten farther than Picard (that French bastard) ever could.


In Picard's case, the problem wasn't the language, it was knowing their culture. I have my doubts that a good linguist would have any success if they were told to interact with an isolated of population who's entire language were references to Twilight novels and Justin Bieber singles. Or watching old reruns of the British version of 'Who's Lines is it?". Odds are, unless you were at least a teenager when those episodes were filmed and were living in England or at least paying attention to their politics, you're not going to get the jokes about the Labour party or Margaret Thatcher.
2012-09-15 02:52:15 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting ...


That was Rick Berman farking the Star Trek franchise up the ass, shooting his thick, feces-flecked load onto paper, and wiping his dick off on the previous four years of Enterprise. It doesn't count.

But Jensaarai (sp?) is right... Enterprise was set in a different timeline because of the changes made in First Contact. Things were bound to be different. And, it also makes total sense that The Lens Flare Picture would have character and continuity changes because of Enterprise and everything after FC/Enterprise being set in a different universe than the one that TNG and DS9 were in.

I may not like or approve of TLFMP, But I at least understand from a continuity standpoint why things are different.
2012-09-15 02:51:30 AM
1 votes:
Compared to the man of the year and a lame duck, the results was a landslide. To the victor, he was like a kid in a candy store. After alhe does have the lion's share of charm that easily fills up his fifteen minutes of fame.

Hmmm...

It's possible, a language of Idioms, but it would be - difficult to do it without a basic language to set it all up.
2012-09-15 02:48:43 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?


To me, what was really messed up, watch the episode 'The Pegasus' and find exactly when, from the time that Admiral Pressman beams to the Enterprise to the point where Riker is arrested, does Riker actually has the time to head to the holodeck and spend time playing around. The bits like Hoshi only being an ensign when the NX-01 is ready to be decommissioned even though she invented the Universal Translator that could be pinned to your shirt (that should have been worth a couple promotions and a standing invitation to teach at pretty much any university in the galaxy) and the error that Trip, the ship's chief engineer who holds the rank of 'Commander', never went to college, according to Hoshi. Archer still being a Captain isn't an issue. He probably knew that being an Admiral would mean leaving the Enterprise.
2012-09-15 02:38:30 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?


What made that episode great was that until that episode, there was never an issue communicating with alien races. Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language. Like how there is no word in English for 'Face in need of a fist', but there is one in I think Italian. I dated a girl who was born and raised in Denmark but was living here in the states. I asked her how she pronounced her last name. She thought about it and finally answered "It's not going to be easy to explain to you because the Danish language has letters that english doesn't have."

Here you have a case where the technology is working perfectly, they just use so many cultural references that no one knows what to say in response. This is something that really should have been more common. The only time previously that I know of a language issue was in the episode 'The Ensigns of Command' where the Shelliack required the peace treaty with the Federation to be over 150,000 words and needed all sorts of linguistical and legal experts to make sure that it was to the likings of the Shelliack because they viewed humanoid language to be vague and lacking of detail.

The bit with the monster, that was just a plot device, nothing more.
2012-09-15 02:22:19 AM
1 votes:
DS9 was the Empire Strikes Back of Star Trek.

That is all.
2012-09-15 02:04:18 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

A Night in Sickbay

wasn't that damn bad. People just hate on it because the A- and B-plots aren't clearly delineated, one of the two of those is about Porthos, and the C-plot is kind of a turd being about unresolved sexual tension between two characters that don't have any onscreen sexual chemistry. All in all, it's a pretty important character study for Archer with a lot more significance to the show's myth arc as pertains to Archer altogether.

I actually had this conversation with two very good friends of mine recently, who are both hardcore Trek fans. We were discussing our favorite captains, and after both of them mentioned Archer was their least favorite I brought up the fact you really can't compare Archer (before season 4) to the other captains, for the fact that well, he's not one in the substantive sense. He's a test pilot, with the wrong psyche and ill-prepared for the role, who was given command despite the Vulcans' recommendations for reasons unknown (though, a handful of episodes including First Flight allow it to be inferred it was political). He's impulsive, emotional, stubborn, and entirely too optimistic for his own good and his crew's. A Night in Sickbay is one of the episodes that showcase that.

The Xindi superweapon arc is when Archer really is tested, deconstructed, and steps up to being a "captain". In terms of the character, seasons 1-3 are about Archer becoming a captain, and season 4 is the one that has him as one. Now, whether that made for good TV, or even contributed to the show's waning popularity and eventual cancellation despite season 4's quality, is a good question. ANIS is definitely better than that stupid Risa arc, but then again any time Risa shows up is a good cue to just skip to the next episode.

Though, in regards to the list...eh. Edith Keeler's little quip certainly isn't the greatest moment of Trek; it wasn't a defining moment for the show (though City of the Edge of Forever is certainly one of TOS' best), it was more stating the obvious. Spock's death is definitely the greatest Trek moment, though. The list certainly is a giant load for not having had Sisko's final monologue, or even his last exchange with Garak, from In the Pale Moonlight. Or, hell, the end of Siege of AR-558.
2012-09-15 01:03:23 AM
1 votes:

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.


The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

www.scifilists.com
2012-09-15 12:59:47 AM
1 votes:

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.


it's not generally hate so much as untapped potential. Instead of getting the great story of the beginning of the federation, we got time wars and alien nazis and countless "Will the federation survive? Just because we've had 40 years of star trek taking place after this doesn't mean it will!".

At it's best, it was good enough to remind you that it could/should have been great.
2012-09-15 12:15:01 AM
1 votes:
Jake committing suicide to save Ben. Best DS9 moment ever.
2012-09-14 11:16:24 PM
1 votes:

skepticultist: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

Enterprise was totally badass, except for the stupid opening sequence music and the travesty that was the final episode. Other than that, I love that show.


What? You didn't think that Fat Riker chopping vegetables for an hour, in an episode taking place 6 years after the previous episode, was an awesome "love note" to fans?

/Seriously, who thought that would be "awesome?" If you're gonna make the last episode of Enterprise be a Holodeck story during an episode of the Next Generation, don't make it ALL ABOUT THE KITCHEN. Fark. Who cares?! Seriously?
//Plus Troi's stupid line "This leads to the formation of the Federation..." Wait.. then if this isn't the founding of the Federation, what the hell is it?
2012-09-14 11:05:36 PM
1 votes:

tjfly: secularsage: scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

FTFY. You're welcome.

and William Shatnerisn't a characature of himself?

The blindbutt hurt is strong with you.


That depends. If you're talking about Shatner playing Kirk, he wasn't a caricature. He was an over-the-top character who had a certain amount of consistency about him up through ST6.

If you're talking about Shatner being a bizarre parody of himself as an actor later in life, or his hammy acting in Generations (which also made caricatures out of the TNG crew, especially Data), sure.

Abrams did not create characters who had motivations or who did anything because of some organic growth in the script. He took well-established characters, cranked their personalities up to 11, and then let that be the movie. You never understood anyone's real motivations for their actions, and half the movie was about recreating their catch-phrases and their mythologies. Kirk doesn't start off as some guy who grows into this extreme persona over time; the first time we see him in a speaking role, he's a kid who's stolen a car and who drives it off a cliff. And by the end of the movie, he's transformed from a stowaway to a ship captain for no real reason other than we in the audience all know he's supposed to be "Captain Kirk."

At the same time, a good chunk of the interactions with Spock involve Spock giving in to his "human emotion" and acting all angry. And this is really only interesting because the audience is supposed to know going in that Spock is supposed to be logical and calm, not angry and mean all the time. That's not character development. As a film, Star Trek 2009 can't stand on its own because it assumes the audience knows too much.

Also, I'm not sure what "blindbutt hurt" is supposed to mean, but I guess when your head's up your arse like yours clearly is, it is sort of hard to gauge what you're seeing, huh?
2012-09-14 10:45:18 PM
1 votes:
THis didn't make the list?

3.bp.blogspot.com 

wow, where's that, "That's Racist" kid?
2012-09-14 10:38:33 PM
1 votes:
They left out Kirk f*cking up robots/AI with his superior brains (did it 4 times)

Norman: You say you are...lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie but you lie, you tell the truth, but you cannot for you lie. Illogical. Illogical! Please explain. You are human, only humans can explain their behavior. Please explain.
Kirk: I am not programmed to respond in that area.

F*cked up Nomad in a similar fashion.

Kirk > Picard
2012-09-14 10:31:36 PM
1 votes:

Magruda: SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.

In stead of enjoying the stories of the birth of the Federation when humanity was the underdog, you yearned for the time when everything is established and roles assigned (least it seems that way to me). Nothing wrong with that, i just feel that if there had been another Trek show on at the same time as Enterprise that was set in the TNG era then Enterprise might have fared much better in its reception.

As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.


Oh I didn't need things established, I mean I liked seeing the conflict between the Andorians and the Vulcans, I just kept getting annoyed when instead of birth of the federation we had the time cops running around.

I realize T'Pol is sahara dry, and I realize that is what it's going for. It's just cripplingly boring.

That being said, I think a good New Star Trek show would be Alternate Universe Enterprise-B. Except for whatever reason Kirk doesn't go on board in the alternate universe, they kill off Captain leave starbase without anything installed and make Sulu's Daughter the Captain. And then basically do alternate universe inbetween TOS and TNG era. And it's the alternate universe so we can discard all the continuity.
2012-09-14 10:28:24 PM
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Magruda: As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.


T'Pol was just so obviously some suit saying, "Well everyone loved 7 of 9, so whip up another hot, stoic girl with big tits and put her in a catsuit". Except 7 was 100x more interesting and T'Pol's boobs were too fake.
2012-09-14 10:05:09 PM
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CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


Welcome to Ceti Alpha Ignore, population you
2012-09-14 09:59:43 PM
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Knarf: Star Trek is good drama, but poor sci-fi. All the different series are pretty well equally silly, but they make for good entertainment.


Yes to the Sci fi part, but much of all of the series were pretty bad.

Knarf: The only reason people try to act like the original star trek series has any special merit over the newest series and movies is just because of nostalgia. NTTAWTT

Thats not entirely correct. What Abrams understood was that the original characters in the series were charismatic. You liked Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty, even though they couldn't act their way out of a paper bag. TNG had one charismatic character- Picard, and later Worf got Ok. The rest were just not much. This was the problem with the rest of the following series, very, very few of the cast had any appeal, and the amt of charisma went from neutral in to negative, ending up with the Backula series were all the characters were simply unappealing. It really didn't matter to anyone if they lived or died because no one liked them. You could really make a chart of it.

The 2009 Star trek was the best thing that happened to the series since Wrath of Khan. Appealing characters, visually impressive, and fun to watch. Not some dull, stilted, pseudo-intellectual BS with contrived moral situations.

If you ask me, Farscape was much more of a spiritual successor to the original Star Trek series than any of the actual later Star Trek series. In many ways it followed the same formula.
2012-09-14 09:53:01 PM
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clkeagle: I finally decided to rewatch DS9 after going through B5, BSG, and SGU again.


Why did you skip the greatest Sci-Fi show of all time?

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2012-09-14 09:30:22 PM
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CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager


Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.
2012-09-14 09:22:40 PM
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Best ten moments in Star Trek history without Deep Space Nine? FAIL.
2012-09-14 09:22:32 PM
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GAT_00: Red matter is no less retarded than Heisenberg Compensators.



Or dilithium crystals.

I understand that in science fiction sometimes science has to take a backseat to storytelling, but the main problem I had with the new Trek movie is that I just couldn't connect with any of the characters. Kirk was a dickhead, Spock was a prick, Uhura was a biatch, and Scotty was a buffoon. Sulu, Mckoy and Chekov were okay, but just sort of "there". I honestly didn't care what happened to any of them. Kirk's path from cadet to captain was way too easy, at that--among other things--made it really hard for me to root for him.

Honestly, the whole movie felt more like bad fan fiction than legitimate Star Trek. That's the problem I had with it. I don't even mind the alternate universe. In fact, I think that's the best aspect of the new movies. They can tell new stories accessible to wider audiences without destroying established canon.

/I just didn't like any of the characters
//Like the prequel trilogy versus the original Star Wars trilogy
2012-09-14 09:18:03 PM
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This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
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2012-09-14 09:06:10 PM
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gopher321: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great .



Two words: red matter.

/facepalm


Red matter is no less retarded than Heisenberg Compensators.
2012-09-14 08:46:25 PM
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Shostie: What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.


I liked the long arc better than the episodes where no matter what happens to the crew or ship, it's all reset by the next episode.
2012-09-14 08:37:43 PM
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CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.
2012-09-14 08:31:31 PM
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Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.
2012-09-14 08:24:13 PM
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CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


DS9 was the best Trek series and the 2009 movie was Trek in name only.
2012-09-14 05:26:45 PM
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Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


I grew up with TNG, but after finally watching DS9 about 4-5 years ago, I have to day that you're dead wrong.

TNG will always hold one of the highest places in my heart, but DS9 is some damn amazing sci-fi, and good Trek of the highest order.
2012-09-14 05:21:26 PM
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Aarontology: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

Number of Troi Riker episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi Riker episodes in TNG: more than 1


Ergo, DS9>TNG
2012-09-14 04:15:16 PM
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Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


Number of Troi episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi episodes in TNG: more than 1
2012-09-14 03:00:33 PM
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The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.
 
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