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2012-09-15 12:50:36 AM

Cyno01: skepticultist: Jaymi77: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant

And while we're at it, they don't have lasers, they have blaster cannons. And that Star Destroyer is about 100 times the size of the Enterprise. It's like 8 Borg Cubes. It will fark their shiat up.

Strategically It all comes down to if Trek transporters can make it through Wars shields. And anyway, Enterprise D vs a Star Destroyer is apples to oranges. Ship of the line would be a fair comparison, then it would be Imperial Class Star Destroyer vs an Excelsior or maybe Ambassador class starship. The Enterprise D is the flagship, one of the largest and most powerful in the fleet. Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.

642.5 meters long
~1000 crew
12 phaser arrays
2 torpedo launchers; 250 photon torpedoes

According to technical data a photon torpedo has a explosive yield of 25 to 200 isotons, and carry a warhead of 1.5kg of anti-deuterium. Extrapolating from that the explosive force is roughly 690 gigatons (of TNT). So an isoton is between 3 and 28 gigatons. So 1 photon torpedo is 2.88696x10^21 joules times 250 torpedoes.

I'm not finding much on ship phaser power levels, but a small emitter can be powered with 4.2 gigawatts. So lets say for arguments sake that a galaxy class's phaser arrays draw 10 gigwats and operate at 90% efficiency, so 9 gigawatt beams. 3.24x10^13 times 12 emitters.

As for shields it gets a little trickier... A Constitutio ...


Sovereign-class vs Super Star Destroyer-class would be a better matchup, both being the top-of-the-line for both sides.

Also, the Enterprise has a critical advantage: it can target specific points and systems on an enemy ship. Since Star Wars ships generally have multiple shield generators that form a beehive-like shield arrangement, the Enterprise can hammer at one specific point until the shield is overwhelmed and the generator destroyed, then hit the hull itself (though the damage and how fast it can be applied also depends on the Executor's armor level, however the shield generators and bridge are very exposed, and there's also the possibility of beaming something into the ship after a generator is disabled). The Enterprise is also far more maneuverable than the Executor.

On the Executor's side, it does have that massive array of weapony, plus ion cannons to disable enemy ships. If it could bring the majority of its power to bear, the Enterprise would be hard-pressed to repel it. The Super Star Destroyer's enormous compliment of fighters, gunboats, and bombers is also a consideration, since fighters are a no-show in most Trek canon (barring Starfleet Command 1 and 2) and therefore they have no defensive measure against such a tactic, so the Enterprise could be overwhelmed by them.

Now, if we exanded the scope to have the Enterprise-E fight the Eclipse, then there's no contest. The Eclipse would make mincemeat of the Enterprise, if not by sheer firepower or ramming the Enterprise in half then by a OHKO from the Continent Cracker superlaser.
 
2012-09-15 12:52:14 AM

Old enough to know better: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Star Trek V. God-awful piece of shiat, but the rendition of the Klingon battle theme was awesome.

This. Hiring Jerry Goldsmith to do the score was the only thing that movie got right.


Definitely, though he did seem to be phoning it in for a couple of tracks. The main theme wasn't very energetic.
 
2012-09-15 12:53:28 AM

Cyno01: Not finding numbers on the missile weapons, but considering with all all the other numbers were looking at several orders of magnitude in difference thats probably similar.


Here ya go
 
2012-09-15 12:56:13 AM
I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.
 
2012-09-15 12:59:47 AM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.


it's not generally hate so much as untapped potential. Instead of getting the great story of the beginning of the federation, we got time wars and alien nazis and countless "Will the federation survive? Just because we've had 40 years of star trek taking place after this doesn't mean it will!".

At it's best, it was good enough to remind you that it could/should have been great.
 
2012-09-15 01:01:09 AM

SamFlagg: And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.


Just watched "The Crossing" and totally agree. I'm chalking that up to poor ass writing, no one is that clueless.
 
2012-09-15 01:03:23 AM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.


The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

www.scifilists.com
 
2012-09-15 01:05:31 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Pete_T_Mann: fusillade762: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.

Any episode with a Crusher as a main character rules the pile TNG bad. The magic lamp one was especially cringe worthy.


The Crusher/magic Irish ghost bedroom scene would have been much better if TNG were a HBO show.


I forgot there was an "Irish connection" thing there. I dont know why, but that makes it much worse.

But I'd only really be interested in a Dr Crusher sex scene would be if Ashley Judd was in another guest role. A kinky guest role.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.


Well, I'm really not going to take any part in this whatsoever, but there was that episode with the super anger alien who likes to bring his dead wife back and dance with her. He made a phantom ship that blew the Enterprise shields to hell. Worf says how much energy is in the blast like its a really big deal, so you can figure two hits from that would blow up an old Enterprise and 3 or four a new one. If you feel like looking it up, that is.
 
2012-09-15 01:08:55 AM

Pete_T_Mann: FirstNationalBastard: Pete_T_Mann: fusillade762: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.

Any episode with a Crusher as a main character rules the pile TNG bad. The magic lamp one was especially cringe worthy.


The Crusher/magic Irish ghost bedroom scene would have been much better if TNG were a HBO show.

I forgot there was an "Irish connection" thing there. I dont know why, but that makes it much worse.

But I'd only really be interested in a Dr Crusher sex scene would be if Ashley Judd was in another guest role. A kinky guest role.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.

Well, I'm really not going to take any part in this whatsoever, but there was that episode with the super anger alien who likes to bring his dead wife back and dance with her. He made a phantom ship that blew the Enterprise shields to hell. Worf says how much energy is in the blast like its a really big deal, so you can figure two hits from that would blow up an old Enterprise and 3 or four a new one. If you feel like lo ...


I'm sure it's on Memory Alpha somewhere. Don't forget that the first time he tried the phantom ship the Enterprise kicked its ass and chased it away. The second time he made it super-duper strong to chase away the Enterprise. The third time Picard let the ship fire on his house, then blew it up with one torpedo.
 
2012-09-15 01:10:05 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"


I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...
 
2012-09-15 01:16:15 AM

aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...


ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.
 
2012-09-15 01:25:56 AM

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


That was a great scene about cultural differences. And even if that scene wasn't about cultural differences, it was a great scene.
 
2012-09-15 01:30:26 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...

ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.


I liked ANIS a lot better than the second season episode where they are on Risa and Trip gets his clothes stolen, Archer meets another dog and Hoshi finds a stud.
 
2012-09-15 01:33:19 AM

Jocundry: Keizer_Ghidorah: aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...

ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

I liked ANIS a lot better than the second season episode where they are on Risa and Trip gets his clothes stolen, Archer meets another dog and Hoshi finds a stud.


I missed that one. Naked Trip and Hoshi getting laid sounds like a good episode.

/not adverse to some fanservice in my "thoughtful" science fiction
//Tasha Yar's outfit in "The Naked Now", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr
///topless Sulu in "The Nake dTime", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr
 
2012-09-15 01:34:31 AM

Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?


The theme song was cool, but they criminally under utilized Mayweather, turned Trip into the male equivalent of the sexual damsel in distress, turned T'Pol into a sexually frustrated bitterwoman instead of making her an actual Vulcan like the vastly superior Tuvok*, and Archer's positive traits as a captain got undermined by temporal war reset button bullshiat.

No bueno. I tuned out. This show wasn't at all about telling us the story before TOS. It was some alternate universe bullshiat. Pass. I don't know why Star Trek always goes to the well of time manipulation; the few exceptions when it's done well are completely crushed under the many, many examples of when it's done suck.

/*Voyager had good parts
//the parts were greater than the sum
///Harry Kim had more development than Mayweather. Think about it.
 
2012-09-15 01:37:16 AM

Snapper Carr: LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

This might just be the single greatest episode of Trek since Balance of Terror

Also O'Brien and Bashir reference Monty Python



I cried like a biatch during The Visitor. Everything right with television, was done right with that episode. People always mention 'Pale Moonlight'.... 'The Visitor' deserves just as many kudos and remembrances.

/extra special sauce: a truly believeable and poignant depiction of Black male unity, bonding, and fatherhood
 
2012-09-15 01:40:03 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jocundry: Keizer_Ghidorah: aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...

ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

I liked ANIS a lot better than the second season episode where they are on Risa and Trip gets his clothes stolen, Archer meets another dog and Hoshi finds a stud.

I missed that one. Naked Trip and Hoshi getting laid sounds like a good episode.

/not adverse to some fanservice in my "thoughtful" science fiction
//Tasha Yar's outfit in "The Naked Now", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr
///topless Sulu in "The Nake dTime", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr


Nooooo...it's bad. Very bad. I think it's the last episode before they introduce the Xindi.

/I laugh every time Data talks about being 'complete'
/I laugh and then I get turned on a little
 
2012-09-15 01:45:33 AM

Mentat: Jake committing suicide to save Ben. Best DS9 moment ever.


Certainly one of the dustiest.
 
2012-09-15 01:52:59 AM

SamFlagg:
Voyager........I honestly think, a different person as Captain and first officer would've made the show better. Harry Kim (before he got his marching orders to be less interesting) Tom Paris and The Doctor were all great. B'elanna, eh, but you know passable. Neelix was alright.....Kes was.....well she was cute, but honestly I feel that whole 9 year lifespan garbage more or less hamstrung the character. Seven......I think one of the great problems in the show was "Let's give 7 all the really good introspective stuff, but let's also put her in a catsuit so we can oversexualize the character so you don't pay attention to any of that." Chakotay.......useless. Janeway.....Meh.


Mayweather in the mirror universe was a revelation... because he was eye candy! where had that man been, and why hadn't he been showcased???????

Harry Kim was cool, but then Tom Paris got pussy-whipped by B'Elana. I told a friend that things would have gone much better if they'd made Harry and Tom better bro-mates. B'Elana was a self-hating Klingon, which was an immediate turn-off. It kinda got redeemed with her mother, but then it got destroyed utterly with her trying to use alien technology to change her daughter's DNA in the womb to make her not just less Klingon, but some Aryan blonde bullshiat. She had no Klingon pride, and no Latina pride. I never bought the Tom and B'Elana love story. Bedmates, sure. But true love? You know who worked best with B'Elana? That first officer from the Equinox. She was like a totally different character, a totally different person... like, that's the dude she would have ended up with, if she hadn't been stuck in the barrel that was the limited dating pool of Voyager.

Tom and Harry should have hooked up. They had way more chemistry together than Tom and B'Elana.

I used to hate Neelix, then he became one of my favorite characters. He stayed true to himself, while growing in his own way.

I completely agree with you about the Ocampan life cycle hamstringing the character of Kes.

Chakotay got hamstrung by the Maqui storyline which should have presented a ton of conflict between him and Janeway........ the Maqui storyline which disappeared until the plot required it to reappear. I liked him as a character though. The writers didn't know how to handle him, and didn't know how to handle a man who is second in command to a woman, who chaffs not because of traditional gender conflict, but because he has a stronger sense of right and wrong than she does. They fked that up so hard.

After viewing her as a female Kirk, I like Janeway. I don't like many of her decisions, but only because those decisions are Kirk-like in their disregard for the prime directive.. not because they are bad decisions in themselves (though some were).
 
2012-09-15 01:59:22 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]


The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting over?"
 
2012-09-15 01:59:48 AM

Magruda: Regardless Enterprise would just negotiate until Vader force choked the crap out of Picard.


Then Data would just Photon Torpoedo Hayden Christensen into oblivion.
/theend.
 
2012-09-15 02:04:18 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

A Night in Sickbay

wasn't that damn bad. People just hate on it because the A- and B-plots aren't clearly delineated, one of the two of those is about Porthos, and the C-plot is kind of a turd being about unresolved sexual tension between two characters that don't have any onscreen sexual chemistry. All in all, it's a pretty important character study for Archer with a lot more significance to the show's myth arc as pertains to Archer altogether.

I actually had this conversation with two very good friends of mine recently, who are both hardcore Trek fans. We were discussing our favorite captains, and after both of them mentioned Archer was their least favorite I brought up the fact you really can't compare Archer (before season 4) to the other captains, for the fact that well, he's not one in the substantive sense. He's a test pilot, with the wrong psyche and ill-prepared for the role, who was given command despite the Vulcans' recommendations for reasons unknown (though, a handful of episodes including First Flight allow it to be inferred it was political). He's impulsive, emotional, stubborn, and entirely too optimistic for his own good and his crew's. A Night in Sickbay is one of the episodes that showcase that.

The Xindi superweapon arc is when Archer really is tested, deconstructed, and steps up to being a "captain". In terms of the character, seasons 1-3 are about Archer becoming a captain, and season 4 is the one that has him as one. Now, whether that made for good TV, or even contributed to the show's waning popularity and eventual cancellation despite season 4's quality, is a good question. ANIS is definitely better than that stupid Risa arc, but then again any time Risa shows up is a good cue to just skip to the next episode.

Though, in regards to the list...eh. Edith Keeler's little quip certainly isn't the greatest moment of Trek; it wasn't a defining moment for the show (though City of the Edge of Forever is certainly one of TOS' best), it was more stating the obvious. Spock's death is definitely the greatest Trek moment, though. The list certainly is a giant load for not having had Sisko's final monologue, or even his last exchange with Garak, from In the Pale Moonlight. Or, hell, the end of Siege of AR-558.
 
2012-09-15 02:05:30 AM
Deana Troi and Doctor Crusher exercising together.

Set camel toes to stun.
 
2012-09-15 02:09:20 AM

Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.


I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?
 
2012-09-15 02:10:06 AM

Solid Muldoon: Deana Troi and Doctor Crusher exercising together.

Set camel toes to stun.


Everyone loves 45 and older softcore....
 
2012-09-15 02:14:18 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story.


yeah, i remember it when the first time i saw it as Enemy Mine, and that episode where they rip off 1984 with the four lights was so original as well.

At the end of that episode i was just left wondering why the hell i watched that episode.
 
2012-09-15 02:22:19 AM
DS9 was the Empire Strikes Back of Star Trek.

That is all.
 
2012-09-15 02:26:46 AM
Last week me and two friends of mine got into another 'Star Trek' vs 'Star Wars' debate. They aren't really into Star Trek, but they mostly enjoy Star Wars (the prequels make it a 'mostly'). We were talking about Trek, with them asking me, what is is about the series that I like so much? There isn't much in the way of action, the movies are okay at best, and it's mostly people in uniforms on a super advanced starship talking. I explained to them that Star Wars is about the physical battle between good and evil. It is the action oriented sci-fi series. Star Trek can be, and when it is, it is enjoyable, Star Trek: First Contact for example. However, the series is at it's best when there isn't much in the way of action and it is about the ideas in the episode. I even explained that as much as Voyager sucks, it still had good episodes and the best episodes wasn't them fighting the Borg or the Kazon. Two of Voyager's best episodes contained almost no violence. 'The Thaw' and 'Death Wish' were my two examples. 'The Thaw' was about people facing the physical representation of fear, ending with Captain Janeway going up against Fear itself and defeating it. And 'Death Wish' centered around the idea of euthanasia, with an excellent comment in the episode about cowering to the government (Quinn made the comment that while currently the Qs were all quiet because there was nothing left to talk about, when Q was defiant and pissing off the Q government, that got the other Qs talking, and when he was completed his punishment and was allowed to return, the became a good little boy, and the Qs went back to silence because the only thing worth talking about was Q's rebellious actions. A small bit to the episode which later impacted the ending and spawned it's sequel).

It's that which makes Star Trek better than Star Wars. No one has ever watched a Star Wars movie or an episode of the Clone Wars and really talked about the subject in that episode and then debated it. Going back to Voyager, even though as a series it was the weakest, people still watched the episode 'Tuvix' and debated on it's ending and if it was the correct course of action, or if the crew allowed an innocent man to die as he pleaded for his life. But it wasn't just Voyager which had these episodes. 'The Next Generation' did it with 'Suddenly Human'. In DS9, there was an episode in the first season called 'Duet' that was mostly just Kira and a cardassian debating during the entire episode. The first season ended with the storyline of a Bajorian religious group bombing the school on the station and trying to assassinate Sisko because the school teacher (the very unqualified Keiko O'Brian) taught that there were aliens that lived in the wormhole, and this Bajorian group wanted her to teach that it wasn't a wormhole but the Celestial Temple, and those weren't aliens but their Gods, the Prophets. Bringing up the idea of does the churches or the government have the final say in what is taught in schools. Enterprise really didn't have many of those moments. It's also why I would love to see the return of a Star Trek tv series.
 
2012-09-15 02:27:22 AM

Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting over?"


For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?
 
2012-09-15 02:29:38 AM

that bosnian sniper: Keizer_Ghidorah: ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

A Night in Sickbay wasn't that damn bad. People just hate on it because the A- and B-plots aren't clearly delineated, one of the two of those is about Porthos, and the C-plot is kind of a turd being about unresolved sexual tension between two characters that don't have any onscreen sexual chemistry. All in all, it's a pretty important character study for Archer with a lot more significance to the show's myth arc as pertains to Archer altogether.

I actually had this conversation with two very good friends of mine recently, who are both hardcore Trek fans. We were discussing our favorite captains, and after both of them mentioned Archer was their least favorite I brought up the fact you really can't compare Archer (before season 4) to the other captains, for the fact that well, he's not one in the substantive sense. He's a test pilot, with the wrong psyche and ill-prepared for the role, who was given command despite the Vulcans' recommendations for reasons unknown (though, a handful of episodes including First Flight allow it to be inferred it was political). He's impulsive, emotional, stubborn, and entirely too optimistic for his own good and his crew's. A Night in Sickbay is one of the episodes that showcase that.

The Xindi superweapon arc is when Archer really is tested, deconstructed, and steps up to being a "captain". In terms of the character, seasons 1-3 are about Archer becoming a captain, and season 4 is the one that has him as one. Now, whether that made for good TV, or even contributed to the show's waning popularity and eventual cancellation despite season 4's quality, is a good question. ANIS is definitely better than that stupid Risa arc, but then again any time Risa shows up is a good cue to just skip to the next episode.

Though, in regards to the list...eh. Edith Keeler's little quip certainly isn't the greates ...


They could have handled it better than "Archer acts like a spoiled petulant baby for the entire episode because his dog is ill and the aliens they're visiting are mad at him for the dog peeing on a tree". Plus the standard Trek "humor" fell flat, as usual.
 
2012-09-15 02:38:30 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?


What made that episode great was that until that episode, there was never an issue communicating with alien races. Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language. Like how there is no word in English for 'Face in need of a fist', but there is one in I think Italian. I dated a girl who was born and raised in Denmark but was living here in the states. I asked her how she pronounced her last name. She thought about it and finally answered "It's not going to be easy to explain to you because the Danish language has letters that english doesn't have."

Here you have a case where the technology is working perfectly, they just use so many cultural references that no one knows what to say in response. This is something that really should have been more common. The only time previously that I know of a language issue was in the episode 'The Ensigns of Command' where the Shelliack required the peace treaty with the Federation to be over 150,000 words and needed all sorts of linguistical and legal experts to make sure that it was to the likings of the Shelliack because they viewed humanoid language to be vague and lacking of detail.

The bit with the monster, that was just a plot device, nothing more.
 
2012-09-15 02:38:48 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?


The language doesn't make any sense - in order to even tell the story in the first place, one would need a tapestry of basic concepts established first. The phrases that refer to those stories wouldn't be understood without that.

The only way to sidestep around that requirement would require some form of communication without language such as conceptual telepathy, touch telepathy or genetically inborn knowledge (like a foal instinctually knowing how to stand)
 
2012-09-15 02:40:39 AM

Great Janitor: No one has ever watched a Star Wars movie or an episode of the Clone Wars and really talked about the subject in that episode and then debated it.


You fail. All Jedi had was a bunch of Muppets.
 
2012-09-15 02:48:43 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?


To me, what was really messed up, watch the episode 'The Pegasus' and find exactly when, from the time that Admiral Pressman beams to the Enterprise to the point where Riker is arrested, does Riker actually has the time to head to the holodeck and spend time playing around. The bits like Hoshi only being an ensign when the NX-01 is ready to be decommissioned even though she invented the Universal Translator that could be pinned to your shirt (that should have been worth a couple promotions and a standing invitation to teach at pretty much any university in the galaxy) and the error that Trip, the ship's chief engineer who holds the rank of 'Commander', never went to college, according to Hoshi. Archer still being a Captain isn't an issue. He probably knew that being an Admiral would mean leaving the Enterprise.
 
2012-09-15 02:49:52 AM

Great Janitor: Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language.


As a person who is both estudiante espanol and sprechen sie deutsch serr klien, I find this statment to be totally false.

A good linguist could have gotten farther than Picard (that French bastard) ever could.
 
2012-09-15 02:51:30 AM
Compared to the man of the year and a lame duck, the results was a landslide. To the victor, he was like a kid in a candy store. After alhe does have the lion's share of charm that easily fills up his fifteen minutes of fame.

Hmmm...

It's possible, a language of Idioms, but it would be - difficult to do it without a basic language to set it all up.
 
2012-09-15 02:52:15 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting ...


That was Rick Berman farking the Star Trek franchise up the ass, shooting his thick, feces-flecked load onto paper, and wiping his dick off on the previous four years of Enterprise. It doesn't count.

But Jensaarai (sp?) is right... Enterprise was set in a different timeline because of the changes made in First Contact. Things were bound to be different. And, it also makes total sense that The Lens Flare Picture would have character and continuity changes because of Enterprise and everything after FC/Enterprise being set in a different universe than the one that TNG and DS9 were in.

I may not like or approve of TLFMP, But I at least understand from a continuity standpoint why things are different.
 
2012-09-15 02:54:57 AM

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Dude, What the hell are you doing? You're supposed to use the dancing snoop dogg in blingee pics!

..Sorry, I stand corrected; dancing snoop lion.
 
2012-09-15 03:00:10 AM

Magruda: Great Janitor: Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language.

As a person who is both estudiante espanol and sprechen sie deutsch serr klien, I find this statment to be totally false.

A good linguist could have gotten farther than Picard (that French bastard) ever could.


In Picard's case, the problem wasn't the language, it was knowing their culture. I have my doubts that a good linguist would have any success if they were told to interact with an isolated of population who's entire language were references to Twilight novels and Justin Bieber singles. Or watching old reruns of the British version of 'Who's Lines is it?". Odds are, unless you were at least a teenager when those episodes were filmed and were living in England or at least paying attention to their politics, you're not going to get the jokes about the Labour party or Margaret Thatcher.
 
2012-09-15 03:04:18 AM

Great Janitor: Keizer_Ghidorah: For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?

To me, what was really messed up, watch the episode 'The Pegasus' and find exactly when, from the time that Admiral Pressman beams to the Enterprise to the point where Riker is arrested, does Riker actually has the time to head to the holodeck and spend time playing around. The bits like Hoshi only being an ensign when the NX-01 is ready to be decommissioned even though she invented the Universal Translator that could be pinned to your shirt (that should have been worth a couple promotions and a standing invitation to teach at pretty much any university in the galaxy) and the error that Trip, the ship's chief engineer who holds the rank of 'Commander', never went to college, according to Hoshi. Archer still being a Captain isn't an issue. He probably knew that being an Admiral would mean leaving the Enterprise.


The problems with prequels. So far no one has been able to do a truly good one.

FirstNationalBastard: Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark yo ...


If that's really the case, they could have explained it a little better. Trek has never been known for subtlety in the first place, and if you're going to make it a prequel series that essentially reboots the franchise then just tell us instead of pussyfooting around (and going right back to "Nope, it's not a reboot, here's "The Pegasus", everything's the same" didn't help).

Even going that Enterprise is a rebot, and it's part of Trek 2009's backstory, that still doesn't explain the ships going from the primitive Daedalus-class to the super-futuristic NX-class then back to the primitive look of the USS Kelvin (which is a design straight from Starfleet Command 1 and 2, one of the destroyer hulls).
 
2012-09-15 03:04:44 AM

Great Janitor: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?

What made that episode great was that until that episode, there was never an issue communicating with alien races. Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language. Like how there is no word in English for 'Face in need of a fist', but there is one in I think Italian. I dated a girl who was born and raised in Denmark but was living here in the states. I asked her how she pronounced her last name. She thought about it and finally answered "It's not going to be easy to explain to you because the Danish language has letters that english doesn't have."

Here you have a case where the technology is working perfectly, they just use so many cultural references that no one knows what to say in response. This is something that really should have been more common. The only time previously that I know of a language issue was in the episode 'The Ensigns of Command' where the Shelliack required the peace treaty with the Federation to be over 150,000 words an ...


Anyone who hates that episode needs to go back to watching farking cop shows or jersey shore or whatever retarded swill they like to lap up
 
2012-09-15 03:08:37 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: If that's really the case, they could have explained it a little better. Trek has never been known for subtlety in the first place, and if you're going to make it a prequel series that essentially reboots the franchise then just tell us instead of pussyfooting around (and going right back to "Nope, it's not a reboot, here's "The Pegasus", everything's the same" didn't help).

Even going that Enterprise is a rebot, and it's part of Trek 2009's backstory, that still doesn't explain the ships going from the primitive Daedalus-class to the super-futuristic NX-class then back to the primitive look of the USS Kelvin (which is a design straight from Starfleet Command 1 and 2, one of the destroyer hulls).



Actually, it was NX to Daedalus.

And we never did see the Daedalus class ships in Enterprise, so who's to say that they existed in that configuration in that timeline? They may have looked closer to the Olympic class ships from All Good Things

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-15 03:09:27 AM

Magruda: sprechen sie deutsch serr klien


Was zum Teufel lese ich? 

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-15 03:28:07 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Keizer_Ghidorah: If that's really the case, they could have explained it a little better. Trek has never been known for subtlety in the first place, and if you're going to make it a prequel series that essentially reboots the franchise then just tell us instead of pussyfooting around (and going right back to "Nope, it's not a reboot, here's "The Pegasus", everything's the same" didn't help).

Even going that Enterprise is a rebot, and it's part of Trek 2009's backstory, that still doesn't explain the ships going from the primitive Daedalus-class to the super-futuristic NX-class then back to the primitive look of the USS Kelvin (which is a design straight from Starfleet Command 1 and 2, one of the destroyer hulls).


Actually, it was NX to Daedalus.

And we never did see the Daedalus class ships in Enterprise, so who's to say that they existed in that configuration in that timeline? They may have looked closer to the Olympic class ships from All Good Things

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x311]


That's even worse. Like how the technology in the Star Wars prequels went from smooth and shiny and futuristic to the boxy, worn and primitive look in the original trilogy, despite 20 years of rampant Imperial tech research.

Ah, the Olympic-class, one of the most fun ships to play as in Star Trek Online.
 
2012-09-15 03:35:33 AM
I hate it when the fantasy universe people start the bullshiat about star wars ships defeating star trek universe ships. It was a galaxy long ago and far away. They didn't even have hu-mans. As far as we know the ships could be microscopic from our perspective. Plus, none of the star wars farks could shoot worth a shiat. At all. And their shields are shiat. A lone fighter destroyed an entire space station for fark's sake. The empire's forces were quite easily resisted by vegetarian teddy bears with rope and rocks and shiat. And you don't think the enterprise could defeat the whatever the fark? Please. As for Vader, who cares. He would draw Q's interest immediately and Q would have that motherfarker pissed off and wearing tights on the holodeck in two shakes of a lamb's tail. And the other Darth thingamajigs would exhaust themselves wailing on Odo with their silly flashlights... while Odo sat there reading a book as he waited a few parsecs for them to get tired.
 
2012-09-15 03:46:05 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Magruda: sprechen sie deutsch serr klien

Was zum Teufel lese ich? 


I did say serr klien
 
2012-09-15 04:23:50 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting ...


Dude, if you're coming at me with that abortion of a last minute "finale" once the show was cancelled to negate the past few seasons of material, you've already lost the argument, and you know it. ;)

Referencing that episode is the Godwin of the Star Trek Universe... which is kinda funny, considering how it's a Universe that's apparently full of Nazis.
 
2012-09-15 04:35:37 AM

Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark yo ...


What argument? I thought we were having a discussion.
 
2012-09-15 04:45:49 AM
My list of "Star Trek" Movies. From best to worst.

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. Voyage Home
4. Search for Spock
5. The Motion Picture
6. Shatner's Ego
7. Generations
8. A Generic Space Movie
9. Insurrection
10. First contact

I haven't seen Nemesis yet and I'm not going out of my way to watch it.

I will not believe that JJ Abram's movie is better than "Wrath of Khan". Sorry not possible.
 
2012-09-15 05:11:33 AM

SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.


Hey, as a straight male, I found T'Pol VERY interesting..
 
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