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2012-09-14 03:00:33 PM
The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.
 
2012-09-14 03:04:36 PM
It seems to be mostly a list of the most depressing moments in Star Trek history.
 
2012-09-14 03:10:24 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


To quote Emo Phillips:
"Die Heretic!"
 
2012-09-14 03:12:30 PM

CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager


LOLWUT
 
2012-09-14 03:41:15 PM
encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-09-14 03:41:51 PM
Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.
 
2012-09-14 03:52:23 PM
"Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies! This is a travesty of the highest order!"
 
2012-09-14 04:15:16 PM

Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


Number of Troi episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi episodes in TNG: more than 1
 
2012-09-14 04:34:57 PM

Aarontology: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

Number of Troi episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi episodes in TNG: more than 1


Are you counting Lwaxana guest appearances?
 
2012-09-14 04:36:39 PM

Aarontology: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

Number of Troi episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi episodes in TNG: more than 1


Deanna... faptapulous.
 
2012-09-14 04:43:50 PM

Shostie: Are you counting Lwaxana guest appearances?


Crap, she showed up on DS9 a couple more times than that, huh?

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Deanna... faptapulous.


Touché
 
2012-09-14 05:21:26 PM

Aarontology: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

Number of Troi Riker episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi Riker episodes in TNG: more than 1


Ergo, DS9>TNG
 
2012-09-14 05:26:45 PM

Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


I grew up with TNG, but after finally watching DS9 about 4-5 years ago, I have to day that you're dead wrong.

TNG will always hold one of the highest places in my heart, but DS9 is some damn amazing sci-fi, and good Trek of the highest order.
 
2012-09-14 05:31:47 PM
Since that was all TOS and TOS Reboot I will forgive them for leaving out DS9 and TNG and applaud them for leaving out Voyager.
 
2012-09-14 06:38:36 PM
Did your mom raise you to be a whiney biatch, subs, or is that something you developed after moving out of her basement?

No wait, You're probably not out of her basement. Never mind.
 
2012-09-14 07:28:58 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great .




Two words: red matter.

/facepalm
 
2012-09-14 07:52:02 PM
Top 10 List

Found the problem. Stopped caring there.
 
2012-09-14 07:57:21 PM

gopher321: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great .



Two words: red matter.

/facepalm


And your problem with red matter is what, specifically? Articulate it please, don't assume everyone here agrees or even knows why the hell it would be a problem.
 
2012-09-14 08:18:07 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Aarontology: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

Number of Troi episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi episodes in TNG: more than 1

Deanna... faptapulous.


bah, that red headed dominatrix Dr. Crusher wants to punish you for your choices...
 
2012-09-14 08:24:13 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


DS9 was the best Trek series and the 2009 movie was Trek in name only.
 
2012-09-14 08:28:07 PM

SilentStrider: Did your mom raise you to be a whiney biatch, subs, or is that something you developed after moving out of her basement?


That basement thing just never gets old.

Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


LOL. it's not like they were a generation apart. TNG still had two more years when DS9 started.

And Voyager had some decent episodes once they got 7 of 9.
 
2012-09-14 08:31:31 PM

Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.


I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.
 
2012-09-14 08:33:48 PM
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2012-09-14 08:36:02 PM
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2012-09-14 08:37:25 PM

Mugato: LOL. it's not like they were a generation apart. TNG still had two more years when DS9 started.


Yeah? And? Five years is a long time.
 
2012-09-14 08:37:43 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.
 
2012-09-14 08:37:59 PM
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2012-09-14 08:39:03 PM

cman: Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-14 08:42:45 PM

elchip: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.


I'm going to have to disagree somewhat. The first season of TNG was awful. For the second Riker grew the beard and there was a marked uptick in the quality of the show.

What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

But that's just my preference. If Berman Trek gets your rocks off, then more power to ya.
 
2012-09-14 08:46:25 PM

Shostie: What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.


I liked the long arc better than the episodes where no matter what happens to the crew or ship, it's all reset by the next episode.
 
2012-09-14 08:49:51 PM

cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.


Enterprise was farked by the writer strike... It should have been awesome.
 
2012-09-14 08:54:26 PM

sno man: cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.

Enterprise was farked by the writer strike Berman and Braga.... It should have been awesome.


When Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens took over for the final season, they did the show people wanted to see from the beginning instead of the Space Nazis in Time! show that made people tune out after season 2.

/sorry, don't feel like farking with fans of Nu-Trek tonight. We just did that last week.
 
2012-09-14 08:54:49 PM

Mugato: Shostie: What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

I liked the long arc better than the episodes where no matter what happens to the crew or ship, it's all reset by the next episode.


Well, there we are then. Agree to disagree.

PROBLEM SOLVED
 
2012-09-14 09:06:10 PM

gopher321: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great .



Two words: red matter.

/facepalm


Red matter is no less retarded than Heisenberg Compensators.
 
2012-09-14 09:12:21 PM

scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"


FTFY. You're welcome.
 
2012-09-14 09:13:01 PM

secularsage: scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

FTFY. You're welcome.


Aww, I'm sorry the new movie was good.
 
2012-09-14 09:15:47 PM
"1. Edith Keeler Sums Up Kirk And Spock In City On The Edge Of Forever"

And Harlan Ellison once again is sent into an apoplectic rage.]


also its TOS>DS9>TNG>VOY>ENT
 
2012-09-14 09:18:03 PM
This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
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2012-09-14 09:19:44 PM

Snapper Carr: "1. Edith Keeler Sums Up Kirk And Spock In City On The Edge Of Forever"

And Harlan Ellison once again is sent into an apoplectic rage.]


also its TOS>DS9>TNG>VOY>ENT


Seconded.
 
2012-09-14 09:20:40 PM
I can't believe they left off the list the scene where Darth Vader reveals he is Kirk's father.
 
2012-09-14 09:21:31 PM
Star Trek is good drama, but poor sci-fi. All the different series are pretty well equally silly, but they make for good entertainment.

The only reason people try to act like the original star trek series has any special merit over the newest series and movies is just because of nostalgia. NTTAWTT

Also, Abram's Star Trek had the best action sequences out of any of the movies, that is undeniable.
 
2012-09-14 09:22:32 PM

GAT_00: Red matter is no less retarded than Heisenberg Compensators.



Or dilithium crystals.

I understand that in science fiction sometimes science has to take a backseat to storytelling, but the main problem I had with the new Trek movie is that I just couldn't connect with any of the characters. Kirk was a dickhead, Spock was a prick, Uhura was a biatch, and Scotty was a buffoon. Sulu, Mckoy and Chekov were okay, but just sort of "there". I honestly didn't care what happened to any of them. Kirk's path from cadet to captain was way too easy, at that--among other things--made it really hard for me to root for him.

Honestly, the whole movie felt more like bad fan fiction than legitimate Star Trek. That's the problem I had with it. I don't even mind the alternate universe. In fact, I think that's the best aspect of the new movies. They can tell new stories accessible to wider audiences without destroying established canon.

/I just didn't like any of the characters
//Like the prequel trilogy versus the original Star Wars trilogy
 
2012-09-14 09:22:40 PM
Best ten moments in Star Trek history without Deep Space Nine? FAIL.
 
2012-09-14 09:22:41 PM
DS9 is the best, and yet, always forgotten by everyone outside of some of us here on Fark. They always mention Voyager and Enterprise, but never DS9. Odd.

The new movie wasn't bad at all. I liked it. I didn't like how much of a douche they made Kirk. But I also didn't expect him to be a Shatner clone. However, this new Kirk was more hanging-off-cliffs yet still getting lucky than actually-being-damn-good at anything like Shatner's Kirk, who was the God Damn Batman of Star Trek. But maybe Pine's Kirk will be a little more seasoned (or whatever) this time around.

/DS9 wasn't Berman trek. That would be Voyager.
//DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.
 
2012-09-14 09:23:11 PM

Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]


Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.
 
2012-09-14 09:23:51 PM
NNNNNNEEEERRRRDDDDSSSSS!!!!!!
 
2012-09-14 09:28:48 PM
A note up front: this is original crew only, so there are no Next Generation or Voyager or Deep Space Nine things here. I'm sure someone who watched those godforsaken shows

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!

And your blog sucks.


ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.


Ronald D Moore had a hand as well.
 
2012-09-14 09:29:30 PM

Mugato: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
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Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.


It's just so much more fun to watch it twinkle on the way to the kabloooey
 
2012-09-14 09:29:41 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


please
everything in the universe was a step up from Voyager - Gilligan in Space
 
2012-09-14 09:29:54 PM

Mugato: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.


You have to lower the shields in order to use the transporter. They usually try to avoid that.

Then again, they do seem to wire the shields directly into every console on the bridge and store their fireworks inside them.
 
2012-09-14 09:30:22 PM

CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager


Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.
 
2012-09-14 09:30:32 PM
Computer, delete this entire article.
 
2012-09-14 09:31:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: sno man: cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.

Enterprise was farked by the writer strike Berman and Braga.... It should have been awesome.

When Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens took over for the final season, they did the show people wanted to see from the beginning instead of the Space Nazis in Time! show that made people tune out after season 2.

/sorry, don't feel like farking with fans of Nu-Trek tonight. We just did that last week.


Never made it to the final season of Enterprise myself... they lost me early in season 2. Voyager lost me earlyish too. Clearly not a trekker, 'prolly not even a trekkie, but I'm a fan of the idea of Star Trek, and a number of TOS and TNG episodes, a few DS9's too. Not big on most of the movies, but mostly enjoyed Nu-Trek alt universe lens flary Abrams take.

/was actually a red shirt at a Trek thing in Toronto 20ish yeas ago... got to meet Scotty, *drink* huge fan...
//also own the official enterprise (1701, no letters) blueprints and a Klingon dictionary...
///because slashies come in threes
 
2012-09-14 09:32:03 PM

fusillade762: A note up front: this is original crew only, so there are no Next Generation or Voyager or Deep Space Nine things here. I'm sure someone who watched those godforsaken shows

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!

And your blog sucks.


ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Ronald D Moore had a hand as well.


Yeah, and some guy Ira Steven Bear or something something Wolfe. I don't remember! Argh.
 
2012-09-14 09:33:09 PM
Ironically (I know i'm not using that word correctly) i'm watching season 2 of Enterprise right now. I've only ever watched TOS and TNG (which i never really liked)b efore and i think it's rather good. I am completely surprised i'm in the minority here.

TNG was just boring debate class to me. TOS was awesomeness wrapped in a childs wet dream.

I thought the Abrams movie was forced but i liked it and even have rewatched it if you count Rifttrax versions.
 
2012-09-14 09:34:06 PM

secularsage: scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

FTFY. You're welcome.


and William Shatnerisn't a characature of himself?

The blindbutt hurt is strong with you.
 
2012-09-14 09:34:47 PM

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager

Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.


I just started another re-watch of DS9, halfway through season one at the moment. Even in its first season, DS9 was not half bad. It doesn't even come close to inducing the pain of TNG season one or TOS season three.
 
2012-09-14 09:35:04 PM
Not a terrible list, but I'd include Spock's meld with the horta as one of the goofiest moments, along with the entirety of the episode "Spock's Brain" and watching Shatner shout "I AM KIROK!"

Now, I understand the hate for Voyager, but I have to say that "Year of Hell" is one of the best stories in the ST Universe. The are many others, but that one was raw and awful and terrific.

From the list, I'd put the battle from "Amok Time" at #1, just for the background music.

/dun dun DAH DAH DAH DAH DAH don da DAH!
 
2012-09-14 09:35:44 PM

Eddy Gurge: [encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 275x183]


Shatner's toupee collection.
 
2012-09-14 09:35:56 PM

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager

Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.


I'm on season 2 episode 17 "Canamar" of Enterprise at this very moment, looking at a freeze frame picture of Faux as i type this.
 
2012-09-14 09:37:02 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.

You have to lower the shields in order to use the transporter. They usually try to avoid that.

Then again, they do seem to wire the shields directly into every console on the bridge and store their fireworks inside them.


Plus, wasn't Voyager the first ship in the Star Trek universe with site-to-site transport capability?

/NERDS!
 
2012-09-14 09:38:30 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.


Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....
 
2012-09-14 09:40:02 PM
List fails without Locutus
 
2012-09-14 09:40:38 PM

GAT_00: gopher321: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great .



Two words: red matter.

/facepalm

Red matter is no less retarded than Heisenberg Compensators.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-14 09:42:41 PM
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2012-09-14 09:43:16 PM

Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
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Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant
 
2012-09-14 09:45:02 PM
I finally decided to rewatch DS9 after going through B5, BSG, and SGU again. Not the first seasons... I was smart enough to start with Season 3. My expectations weren't high, but I remember it as a fairly serialized, watchable show. So, after making it all the way to Defiant...

It really hasn't aged any better than TNG.

The only advantage DS9 offers compared to TNG is actual character development and progression. The dialog and stories are just as awful. Babylon 5's CGI ships and costumes didn't age well, but the plots (seasons 2-4 anyway) still feel rock solid to me. And I'm starting to believe that the worst episodes of BSG and SGU are better than the best episode of any Trek series (for my tastes, anyway).

As to the Abrams movie - it was for people who were Trek geeks as kids, but have matured enough to laugh about it now. It seems most people who hate the Abrams movie still adore TNG. Think about it.
 
2012-09-14 09:45:13 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....


I kind of see where you're coming from. I limed Vic Fontaine, but that whole Oceans Eleven episode was unnecessary in the middle of a FARKING WAR! Anyway, when I worked at the Experience, The guy who played Fontaine (damnit, im forgetting everyone's names today) wanted to have a gig where he'd play regularly in Quark's Bar and sing. But the stupid GM passed him up on that, as she did most things that would have added the whole "experience" part of the place that trekkies who came there would expect.
 
2012-09-14 09:45:35 PM

Jaymi77: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant


They don't use lasers in Star Wars either. They call them turbo lasers but they clearly aren't laser beams.
 
2012-09-14 09:46:14 PM

Jaymi77: Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.


Deflector sheilds are not sheilds. Regardless Enterprise would just negotiate until Vader force choked the crap out of Picard.
 
2012-09-14 09:46:20 PM
DS9 was nothing more than a truck stop in space, yeah that sounds really appealing. (Same goes for Babylon 5.) I'd rather watch all the Tasha Yar and Wesley Crusher focused episodes.

/Denise and Wil are awesome people though
//DS9 is still better than Enterprise
///Hey, they really do come in threes
 
2012-09-14 09:48:22 PM

Naxter: DS9 was nothing more than a truck stop in space


You know how I know you only watched the first couple seasons?
 
2012-09-14 09:49:07 PM

Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise


What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?
 
2012-09-14 09:49:20 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....


This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 

Vic was OK in the Nog rehab episode

him getting killed in the mirror universe made me laugh, though
 
2012-09-14 09:49:56 PM
I appreciated the Abrams movie because it brought some real tactical mobility to the Enterprise. My favorite part is when

SPOILER

The Enterprise popped in and started blasting the torpedoes heading for Spock.
 
2012-09-14 09:50:57 PM
DS9 was lame. There. I said it.
 
2012-09-14 09:51:13 PM

Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?


I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.
 
2012-09-14 09:51:46 PM

Eddy Gurge: [encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 275x183]


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-14 09:52:39 PM

clkeagle: As to the Abrams movie - it was for people who were Trek geeks as kids, but have matured enough to laugh about it now. It seems most people who hate the Abrams movie still adore TNG. Think about it.


I really like the recent movie AND I still like TNG, although I forgot how awful the first 2 seasons were. ( Tried rewatching some of it on Netflix, couldn't stomach it)
 
2012-09-14 09:52:57 PM

ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.
 
2012-09-14 09:53:01 PM

clkeagle: I finally decided to rewatch DS9 after going through B5, BSG, and SGU again.


Why did you skip the greatest Sci-Fi show of all time?

geek-news.mtv.com
 
2012-09-14 09:54:39 PM

Mugato: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.


I personally put story above characters, so it's pretty good imho.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:21 PM

sno man: Never made it to the final season of Enterprise myself


You should watch it. With a few exceptions (the first two episodes and the series finale, especially), it is almost TNG quality.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:29 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


dear god i find myself agreeing with you in regards to the movie

DS9 though was way better then voyager, not as good as Enterprise though
 
2012-09-14 09:59:43 PM

Knarf: Star Trek is good drama, but poor sci-fi. All the different series are pretty well equally silly, but they make for good entertainment.


Yes to the Sci fi part, but much of all of the series were pretty bad.

Knarf: The only reason people try to act like the original star trek series has any special merit over the newest series and movies is just because of nostalgia. NTTAWTT

Thats not entirely correct. What Abrams understood was that the original characters in the series were charismatic. You liked Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty, even though they couldn't act their way out of a paper bag. TNG had one charismatic character- Picard, and later Worf got Ok. The rest were just not much. This was the problem with the rest of the following series, very, very few of the cast had any appeal, and the amt of charisma went from neutral in to negative, ending up with the Backula series were all the characters were simply unappealing. It really didn't matter to anyone if they lived or died because no one liked them. You could really make a chart of it.

The 2009 Star trek was the best thing that happened to the series since Wrath of Khan. Appealing characters, visually impressive, and fun to watch. Not some dull, stilted, pseudo-intellectual BS with contrived moral situations.

If you ask me, Farscape was much more of a spiritual successor to the original Star Trek series than any of the actual later Star Trek series. In many ways it followed the same formula.
 
2012-09-14 09:59:58 PM

Mugato: Naxter: DS9 was nothing more than a truck stop in space

You know how I know you only watched the first couple seasons?


Seasons?! You mean it took more than one?
 
2012-09-14 10:05:09 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


Welcome to Ceti Alpha Ignore, population you
 
2012-09-14 10:08:12 PM

Magruda: Mugato: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.

I personally put story above characters, so it's pretty good imho.


I always found the acting and story kinda forced. It wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be, but it was better than Voyager: Lost In Space!
 
2012-09-14 10:09:07 PM

angrymacface: sno man: Never made it to the final season of Enterprise myself

You should watch it. With a few exceptions (the first two episodes and the series finale, especially), it is almost TNG quality.


It's on my list...
 
2012-09-14 10:09:07 PM

NeoCortex42: ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.


Worse than the TNG Wargames episode?

where Westley saves the day

home-made warp drive, ftw
 
2012-09-14 10:09:27 PM
So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf
 
2012-09-14 10:12:22 PM

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


"Never tell the same lie twice."
 
2012-09-14 10:13:09 PM

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


This might just be the single greatest episode of Trek since Balance of Terror

Also O'Brien and Bashir reference Monty Python
 
2012-09-14 10:15:02 PM

Pete_T_Mann: The 2009 Star trek was the best thing that happened to the series since Wrath of Khan. Appealing characters, visually impressive, and fun to watch. Not some dull, stilted, pseudo-intellectual BS with contrived moral situations.



I have no problem with differences of opinion, but what made the characters appealing to you? I can't quite articulate it, but there was just something about them that put me off.
 
2012-09-14 10:15:16 PM

Magruda: Mugato: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.

I personally put story above characters, so it's pretty good imho.


Time to get annoyed with Enterprise!

I always wanted it to be good. (Theme song tries to kill that up front)

I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.

The temporal cold war was annoying, and honestly the whole series felt very much like it was creaking against the weight of tons and tons of continuity that wasn't going to happen until the future. And even then you get "well let's bring some of those future races in, hey let's deal with the borg, hey lets deal with the ferengi (I think that happened.)

Voyager........I honestly think, a different person as Captain and first officer would've made the show better. Harry Kim (before he got his marching orders to be less interesting) Tom Paris and The Doctor were all great. B'elanna, eh, but you know passable. Neelix was alright.....Kes was.....well she was cute, but honestly I feel that whole 9 year lifespan garbage more or less hamstrung the character. Seven......I think one of the great problems in the show was "Let's give 7 all the really good introspective stuff, but let's also put her in a catsuit so we can oversexualize the character so you don't pay attention to any of that." Chakotay.......useless. Janeway.....Meh.
 
2012-09-14 10:16:53 PM

scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies! This is a travesty of the highest order!"


Pretty much this. I don't like Star Trek and I enjoyed Abrams's movie.
 
2012-09-14 10:22:58 PM

ZMugg: NeoCortex42: ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.

Worse than the TNG Wargames episode?

where Westley saves the day

home-made warp drive, ftw


Somehow, yes. It was an interesting concept. They made the episode a sequel to the TNG episode where a pair of Ferengi get stranded on the other side of an unstable wormhole in the Delta Quadrant. It ended up being just another "Stupid greedy Ferengi" episode.
 
2012-09-14 10:23:27 PM

SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.


In stead of enjoying the stories of the birth of the Federation when humanity was the underdog, you yearned for the time when everything is established and roles assigned (least it seems that way to me). Nothing wrong with that, i just feel that if there had been another Trek show on at the same time as Enterprise that was set in the TNG era then Enterprise might have fared much better in its reception.

As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.
 
2012-09-14 10:28:24 PM

Magruda: As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.


T'Pol was just so obviously some suit saying, "Well everyone loved 7 of 9, so whip up another hot, stoic girl with big tits and put her in a catsuit". Except 7 was 100x more interesting and T'Pol's boobs were too fake.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:36 PM

Magruda: SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.

In stead of enjoying the stories of the birth of the Federation when humanity was the underdog, you yearned for the time when everything is established and roles assigned (least it seems that way to me). Nothing wrong with that, i just feel that if there had been another Trek show on at the same time as Enterprise that was set in the TNG era then Enterprise might have fared much better in its reception.

As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.


Oh I didn't need things established, I mean I liked seeing the conflict between the Andorians and the Vulcans, I just kept getting annoyed when instead of birth of the federation we had the time cops running around.

I realize T'Pol is sahara dry, and I realize that is what it's going for. It's just cripplingly boring.

That being said, I think a good New Star Trek show would be Alternate Universe Enterprise-B. Except for whatever reason Kirk doesn't go on board in the alternate universe, they kill off Captain leave starbase without anything installed and make Sulu's Daughter the Captain. And then basically do alternate universe inbetween TOS and TNG era. And it's the alternate universe so we can discard all the continuity.
 
2012-09-14 10:32:50 PM

Mugato: Magruda: As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.

T'Pol was just so obviously some suit saying, "Well everyone loved 7 of 9, so whip up another hot, stoic girl with big tits and put her in a catsuit". Except 7 was 100x more interesting and T'Pol's boobs were too fake.


Well, as i just got done watching "Canamar" and i must say, it was some of the best Sci-Fi i have seen in a long time. If you assume that good Sci-Fi is a reflection of current society. I can't comment on 7of9 as i have watched like 2 episodes of Voyager.
 
2012-09-14 10:35:13 PM

SamFlagg: That being said, I think a good New Star Trek show would be Alternate Universe Enterprise-B. Except for whatever reason Kirk doesn't go on board in the alternate universe, they kill off Captain leave starbase without anything installed and make Sulu's Daughter the Captain. And then basically do alternate universe inbetween TOS and TNG era. And it's the alternate universe so we can discard all the continuity.


You lost me at "That being said".

I don't know what would make a good Trek reboot, but what i want to see is something along the lines of Firefly. I thought Enterprise came close to that.
 
2012-09-14 10:38:33 PM
They left out Kirk f*cking up robots/AI with his superior brains (did it 4 times)

Norman: You say you are...lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie but you lie, you tell the truth, but you cannot for you lie. Illogical. Illogical! Please explain. You are human, only humans can explain their behavior. Please explain.
Kirk: I am not programmed to respond in that area.

F*cked up Nomad in a similar fashion.

Kirk > Picard
 
2012-09-14 10:40:29 PM

andino: I have no problem with differences of opinion, but what made the characters appealing to you? I can't quite articulate it, but there was just something about them that put me off


Perhaps I should have said charismatic actors, but I didnt want to overuse that word. The guy who played Kirk was pretty good and was pretty likable. Both Karl Urban and the actor who played Scotty rock. Yeah, Spock was a little prissy, and I didn't like Uhurah much, but Chekov and Sulu were good.

I can see how Kirk could be seen as kind of arrogant and annoying, but thats why they had lots of bad things happen to him, so he wasn't Mr Infallible, and was constantly getting knocked down a few pegs. Also to provide a transition for the character to a more mature one later. Plus I liked that he learns to fight well b/c he gets his ass kicked some. They did push the line with him, but they didnt cross it for me, but they prolly did for some.
 
2012-09-14 10:45:18 PM
THis didn't make the list?

3.bp.blogspot.com 

wow, where's that, "That's Racist" kid?
 
2012-09-14 10:51:15 PM
DS9.

Yesterday: where no man has gone before, except to the holodeck.. again.
Today: back to that farking holodeck again.
Tomorrow: can I be on the Voyager?
 
2012-09-14 10:53:40 PM

Jaymi77: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant


And while we're at it, they don't have lasers, they have blaster cannons. And that Star Destroyer is about 100 times the size of the Enterprise. It's like 8 Borg Cubes. It will fark their shiat up.
 
2012-09-14 10:55:48 PM

NeoCortex42: ZMugg: NeoCortex42: ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.

Worse than the TNG Wargames episode?

where Westley saves the day

home-made warp drive, ftw

Somehow, yes. It was an interesting concept. They made the episode a sequel to the TNG episode where a pair of Ferengi get stranded on the other side of an unstable wormhole in the Delta Quadrant. It ended up being just another "Stupid greedy Ferengi" episode.


kcbphotography.com
 
2012-09-14 10:57:17 PM

Shostie: elchip: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

I grew up with TNG, and DS9 (which I never watched until 2-3 years ago) is superior. The first two seasons of DS9 may be dull, but the first two seasons of TNG are terrible. And DS9 just gets better and better as the seasons go on, while TNG sort of ran out of steam near the end.

I'm going to have to disagree somewhat. The first season of TNG was awful. For the second Riker grew the beard and there was a marked uptick in the quality of the show.

What I don't like about DS9 is the long-term plot arcs. To me, it's supposed to be more episodic. They find a problem, struggle with the problem and solve the problem. In the end, things are just like they were in the beginning.

But that's just my preference. If Berman Trek gets your rocks off, then more power to ya.


We had 4 series of "Monster of the Week, Problem of the Week, solve it and status quo is God". DS9 was a very welcome breath of fresh air. Another good thing about long arcs and stationary settings is that you can devote more time and energy to better stories and characterization, and DS9 had both in spades. Hell, Worf got more characterization in 3.5 seasons of DS9 than he did in 7 seasons and four movies of TNG. And DS9 was willing to take chances, to shake things up and show that the future isn't 100% sunshine and kittens.

As for the 2009 movie, the franchise had been in a rut since Voyager. It was stagnant and wallowing and needed a shot in the air. Trek 2009 brought in new fans, returned to the spirit of the silly TOS and allowed a fresh start for a new set of adventures with characters at once familar and different.
 
2012-09-14 10:59:37 PM

secularsage: scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

FTFY. You're welcome.


Voyager, Enterprise, "Generations", "Insurrection", "Nemesis". You have no room to complain.
 
2012-09-14 11:05:24 PM

Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?


"A Night In Sickbay"
 
2012-09-14 11:05:36 PM

tjfly: secularsage: scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

FTFY. You're welcome.

and William Shatnerisn't a characature of himself?

The blindbutt hurt is strong with you.


That depends. If you're talking about Shatner playing Kirk, he wasn't a caricature. He was an over-the-top character who had a certain amount of consistency about him up through ST6.

If you're talking about Shatner being a bizarre parody of himself as an actor later in life, or his hammy acting in Generations (which also made caricatures out of the TNG crew, especially Data), sure.

Abrams did not create characters who had motivations or who did anything because of some organic growth in the script. He took well-established characters, cranked their personalities up to 11, and then let that be the movie. You never understood anyone's real motivations for their actions, and half the movie was about recreating their catch-phrases and their mythologies. Kirk doesn't start off as some guy who grows into this extreme persona over time; the first time we see him in a speaking role, he's a kid who's stolen a car and who drives it off a cliff. And by the end of the movie, he's transformed from a stowaway to a ship captain for no real reason other than we in the audience all know he's supposed to be "Captain Kirk."

At the same time, a good chunk of the interactions with Spock involve Spock giving in to his "human emotion" and acting all angry. And this is really only interesting because the audience is supposed to know going in that Spock is supposed to be logical and calm, not angry and mean all the time. That's not character development. As a film, Star Trek 2009 can't stand on its own because it assumes the audience knows too much.

Also, I'm not sure what "blindbutt hurt" is supposed to mean, but I guess when your head's up your arse like yours clearly is, it is sort of hard to gauge what you're seeing, huh?
 
2012-09-14 11:06:58 PM
I realize I am in the minority here, but for me the ten best moments of Star Trek history are as follows:

10. Closing Credits
9. Closing Credits
8. Closing Credits
7. Closing Credits
6. Closing Credits
5. Closing Credits
4. Closing Credits
3. Closing Credits
2. Closing Credits
1. Closing Credits
 
2012-09-14 11:09:54 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

"A Night In Sickbay"


Is that the one where the dog got the aliens sick and Archer...sorry I fell asleep trying to remember the episode.
 
2012-09-14 11:11:07 PM

Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?


Enterprise was totally badass, except for the stupid opening sequence music and the travesty that was the final episode. Other than that, I love that show.
 
2012-09-14 11:16:24 PM

skepticultist: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

Enterprise was totally badass, except for the stupid opening sequence music and the travesty that was the final episode. Other than that, I love that show.


What? You didn't think that Fat Riker chopping vegetables for an hour, in an episode taking place 6 years after the previous episode, was an awesome "love note" to fans?

/Seriously, who thought that would be "awesome?" If you're gonna make the last episode of Enterprise be a Holodeck story during an episode of the Next Generation, don't make it ALL ABOUT THE KITCHEN. Fark. Who cares?! Seriously?
//Plus Troi's stupid line "This leads to the formation of the Federation..." Wait.. then if this isn't the founding of the Federation, what the hell is it?
 
2012-09-14 11:16:32 PM

The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

"A Night In Sickbay"

Is that the one where the dog got the aliens sick and Archer...sorry I fell asleep trying to remember the episode.


The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.
 
2012-09-14 11:18:16 PM

skepticultist: and the travesty that was the final episode


Thanks for spoiler.
 
2012-09-14 11:20:27 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.


...Christ.
 
2012-09-14 11:22:58 PM

The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.


No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.
 
2012-09-14 11:26:50 PM

Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.


Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.
 
2012-09-14 11:28:35 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.


Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.
 
2012-09-14 11:29:15 PM

Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.


Shaka, when the walls fell.
 
2012-09-14 11:30:39 PM
I'll just leave this here....


userserve-ak.last.fm 


Hot like a Ressikan flute!
 
2012-09-14 11:31:23 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.


YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.
 
2012-09-14 11:32:22 PM
How many people are actually reading the article? It explicitly says that the only moments reviewed are those of Kirk's crew, so that would only include TOS, the first six movies, and the 2009 movie.
 
2012-09-14 11:33:45 PM

Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.


No, it was worse. Archer's behavior was incredibly childish, the other characters didn't help, and the comedy of awful that was the sickbay humor was cringe-inducing. I'd watch "Profit and Lace" or that TNG episode about the woman tring to rule the galaxy with the virtual reality mind game over "A Night In shiatbay".
 
2012-09-14 11:35:04 PM

Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.


I always noticed that in terms of stories, TOS always had Kirk saving the Federation from a Non-corporeal entity-type stories, TNG had Picard has to negotiate a peace-type stores, DS9 had Sisko's gotta lay the smack down on some alien assholes-type stories or we all dead, and then Voyager had Naomi Wildman is upset with Neelix that her mommy went on a shuttle mission-type stories... and... I didn't see much of Enterprise. Though the Mirror episode was awesome.
 
2012-09-14 11:36:12 PM

Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.


You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.
 
2012-09-14 11:36:16 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

No, it was worse. Archer's behavior was incredibly childish, the other characters didn't help, and the comedy of awful that was the sickbay humor was cringe-inducing. I'd watch "Profit and Lace" or that TNG episode about the woman tring to rule the galaxy with the virtual reality mind game over "A Night In shiatbay".


That orgasm game episode did give us more Ashley Judd...
 
2012-09-14 11:43:33 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.


DARMOK AND JALAD AT TANAGRA!

I loved that episode.
 
2012-09-14 11:44:08 PM
i made sweet love to that chick in her ass. hard. real hard. seriously, i licked the blood that came out after.

so there.
 
2012-09-14 11:47:09 PM

the801: i made sweet love to that chick in her ass. hard. real hard. seriously, i licked the blood that came out after.

so there.


Uh... Wrong thread?
 
2012-09-14 11:53:51 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: the801: i made sweet love to that chick in her ass. hard. real hard. seriously, i licked the blood that came out after.

so there.

Uh... Wrong thread?


No, he was talking about the hermaphrodite chick from that TNG episode where Riker decided he liked his chicks with dicks as big as his.
 
2012-09-14 11:55:39 PM

fusillade762: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.


Any episode with a Crusher as a main character rules the pile TNG bad. The magic lamp one was especially cringe worthy.

ThatBillmanGuy: Though the Mirror episode was awesome. 

Yeah, that was the best Enterprise one I saw, didnt watch much either. I thought the best Voyager episode was the one where they were evil, too.
 
2012-09-14 11:57:15 PM
The series that made the Red Squad the Dead Squad is okay by me. It was the only time i was cheering for the Dominion.

And don't forget In the Pale Moonlight.
 
2012-09-14 11:57:34 PM

Pete_T_Mann: fusillade762: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.

Any episode with a Crusher as a main character rules the pile TNG bad. The magic lamp one was especially cringe worthy.


The Crusher/magic Irish ghost bedroom scene would have been much better if TNG were a HBO show.
 
2012-09-15 12:10:08 AM

fusillade762: You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.


I've blocked that so far out of my memory that i don't know what i'm responding to.
 
2012-09-15 12:12:32 AM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great!


1.bp.blogspot.com t1.gstatic.com t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-09-15 12:15:01 AM
Jake committing suicide to save Ben. Best DS9 moment ever.
 
2012-09-15 12:18:27 AM
I will say this against Enterprise though, one season and 18 episodes into it and not a single crew member has died. Condidering the crap they have gone through i find that a little implosible.
 
2012-09-15 12:20:27 AM
Come on, In the Pale Moonlight is one of the best Star Trek episodes ever. Up there with Trouble with Tribbles, Chain of Command 1 and 2, and The Drumhead.
 
2012-09-15 12:24:52 AM
I would have dropped the Spock/Horta scene and added the end of The Defector.> One of the best "Picard is a bad-ass" moments ever.
 
2012-09-15 12:37:59 AM

MikeSass: I realize I am in the minority here, but for me the ten best moments of Star Trek history are as follows:

10. Closing Credits
9. Closing Credits
8. Closing Credits
7. Closing Credits
6. Closing Credits
5. Closing Credits
4. Closing Credits
3. Closing Credits
2. Closing Credits
1. Closing Credits


Actually, the 10 film scores did have some decent music during the end titles. For a few of them, the score was what made the movies watchable.
 
2012-09-15 12:39:22 AM

PapaChester: Come on, In the Pale Moonlight is one of the best Star Trek episodes ever. Up there with Trouble with Tribbles, Chain of Command The Best of Both Worlds 1 and 2, and The Drumhead.


FTFY
 
2012-09-15 12:39:41 AM

skepticultist: Jaymi77: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant

And while we're at it, they don't have lasers, they have blaster cannons. And that Star Destroyer is about 100 times the size of the Enterprise. It's like 8 Borg Cubes. It will fark their shiat up.


Strategically It all comes down to if Trek transporters can make it through Wars shields. And anyway, Enterprise D vs a Star Destroyer is apples to oranges. Ship of the line would be a fair comparison, then it would be Imperial Class Star Destroyer vs an Excelsior or maybe Ambassador class starship. The Enterprise D is the flagship, one of the largest and most powerful in the fleet. Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.

642.5 meters long
~1000 crew
12 phaser arrays
2 torpedo launchers; 250 photon torpedoes

According to technical data a photon torpedo has a explosive yield of 25 to 200 isotons, and carry a warhead of 1.5kg of anti-deuterium. Extrapolating from that the explosive force is roughly 690 gigatons (of TNT). So an isoton is between 3 and 28 gigatons. So 1 photon torpedo is 2.88696x10^21 joules times 250 torpedoes.

I'm not finding much on ship phaser power levels, but a small emitter can be powered with 4.2 gigawatts. So lets say for arguments sake that a galaxy class's phaser arrays draw 10 gigwats and operate at 90% efficiency, so 9 gigawatt beams. 3.24x10^13 times 12 emitters.

As for shields it gets a little trickier... A Constitution-class starship's shields could take the equivalent of 90 photon torpedoes at once. A galaxy class is about twice the size of a constitution class, we'll assume that while covering a larger area, a galaxy classes shields are relatively stronger as well. So thats 180 photon torpedoes or able to absorb 5.196528x10^23 joules.

And the main warp reactor of a Galaxy class ship generates 12.75 billion gigawatts or 4.59x10^22 joules.

Now...

Executor-class specs
19 kilometers long
~250,000 crew
2,000 Heavy Turbolaser Cannons
250 Assault Concussion Missile Tubes with 30 missiles each (7500 missiles).

1 Turbolaser shot is equivalent to 200 gigatons or 8.368x10^20 joules.

Its shields used a large amount of its reactor output and are equivalent to the total power of a medium star (3.8x10^26 W) or 1.368x10^39 joules. So from that we can surmise that its main reactor is much more powerful.

Not finding numbers on the missile weapons, but considering with all all the other numbers were looking at several orders of magnitude in difference thats probably similar.


So, the shields of an executor class star destroyer could take 4.73854851×10^17 photon torpedoes, or the entire armament of 1.8954194 × 1015 Enterprise Ds. On the other hand, a galaxy class starship could take 621 turbolaser hits, basically 1/3 the firepower of the Executor.
 
2012-09-15 12:40:07 AM

cyberspacedout: MikeSass: I realize I am in the minority here, but for me the ten best moments of Star Trek history are as follows:

10. Closing Credits
9. Closing Credits
8. Closing Credits
7. Closing Credits
6. Closing Credits
5. Closing Credits
4. Closing Credits
3. Closing Credits
2. Closing Credits
1. Closing Credits

Actually, the 10 film scores did have some decent music during the end titles. For a few of them, the score was what made the movies watchable.


Star Trek V. God-awful piece of shiat, but the rendition of the Klingon battle theme was awesome.
 
2012-09-15 12:45:41 AM

Cyno01: So, the shields of an executor class star destroyer could take 4.73854851×10^17 photon torpedoes, or the entire armament of 1.8954194 × 1015 Enterprise Ds. On the other hand, a galaxy class starship could take 621 turbolaser hits, basically 1/3 the firepower of the Executor.


You are forgetting the human element of Star Trek which states that you must stop and talk before you fire anything. This means the Empire would manipulate the crap out of them.
 
2012-09-15 12:49:27 AM

PapaChester: Come on, In the Pale Moonlight is one of the best Star Trek episodes ever. Up there with Trouble with Tribbles, Chain of Command 1 and 2, and The Drumhead.


Too bad the McCarthy allegory is forgotten.
 
2012-09-15 12:50:31 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah:

Star Trek V. God-awful piece of shiat, but the rendition of the Klingon battle theme was awesome.


This. Hiring Jerry Goldsmith to do the score was the only thing that movie got right.
 
2012-09-15 12:50:36 AM

Cyno01: skepticultist: Jaymi77: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant

And while we're at it, they don't have lasers, they have blaster cannons. And that Star Destroyer is about 100 times the size of the Enterprise. It's like 8 Borg Cubes. It will fark their shiat up.

Strategically It all comes down to if Trek transporters can make it through Wars shields. And anyway, Enterprise D vs a Star Destroyer is apples to oranges. Ship of the line would be a fair comparison, then it would be Imperial Class Star Destroyer vs an Excelsior or maybe Ambassador class starship. The Enterprise D is the flagship, one of the largest and most powerful in the fleet. Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.

642.5 meters long
~1000 crew
12 phaser arrays
2 torpedo launchers; 250 photon torpedoes

According to technical data a photon torpedo has a explosive yield of 25 to 200 isotons, and carry a warhead of 1.5kg of anti-deuterium. Extrapolating from that the explosive force is roughly 690 gigatons (of TNT). So an isoton is between 3 and 28 gigatons. So 1 photon torpedo is 2.88696x10^21 joules times 250 torpedoes.

I'm not finding much on ship phaser power levels, but a small emitter can be powered with 4.2 gigawatts. So lets say for arguments sake that a galaxy class's phaser arrays draw 10 gigwats and operate at 90% efficiency, so 9 gigawatt beams. 3.24x10^13 times 12 emitters.

As for shields it gets a little trickier... A Constitutio ...


Sovereign-class vs Super Star Destroyer-class would be a better matchup, both being the top-of-the-line for both sides.

Also, the Enterprise has a critical advantage: it can target specific points and systems on an enemy ship. Since Star Wars ships generally have multiple shield generators that form a beehive-like shield arrangement, the Enterprise can hammer at one specific point until the shield is overwhelmed and the generator destroyed, then hit the hull itself (though the damage and how fast it can be applied also depends on the Executor's armor level, however the shield generators and bridge are very exposed, and there's also the possibility of beaming something into the ship after a generator is disabled). The Enterprise is also far more maneuverable than the Executor.

On the Executor's side, it does have that massive array of weapony, plus ion cannons to disable enemy ships. If it could bring the majority of its power to bear, the Enterprise would be hard-pressed to repel it. The Super Star Destroyer's enormous compliment of fighters, gunboats, and bombers is also a consideration, since fighters are a no-show in most Trek canon (barring Starfleet Command 1 and 2) and therefore they have no defensive measure against such a tactic, so the Enterprise could be overwhelmed by them.

Now, if we exanded the scope to have the Enterprise-E fight the Eclipse, then there's no contest. The Eclipse would make mincemeat of the Enterprise, if not by sheer firepower or ramming the Enterprise in half then by a OHKO from the Continent Cracker superlaser.
 
2012-09-15 12:52:14 AM

Old enough to know better: Keizer_Ghidorah:

Star Trek V. God-awful piece of shiat, but the rendition of the Klingon battle theme was awesome.

This. Hiring Jerry Goldsmith to do the score was the only thing that movie got right.


Definitely, though he did seem to be phoning it in for a couple of tracks. The main theme wasn't very energetic.
 
2012-09-15 12:53:28 AM

Cyno01: Not finding numbers on the missile weapons, but considering with all all the other numbers were looking at several orders of magnitude in difference thats probably similar.


Here ya go
 
2012-09-15 12:56:13 AM
I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.
 
2012-09-15 12:59:47 AM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.


it's not generally hate so much as untapped potential. Instead of getting the great story of the beginning of the federation, we got time wars and alien nazis and countless "Will the federation survive? Just because we've had 40 years of star trek taking place after this doesn't mean it will!".

At it's best, it was good enough to remind you that it could/should have been great.
 
2012-09-15 01:01:09 AM

SamFlagg: And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.


Just watched "The Crossing" and totally agree. I'm chalking that up to poor ass writing, no one is that clueless.
 
2012-09-15 01:03:23 AM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.


The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

www.scifilists.com
 
2012-09-15 01:05:31 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Pete_T_Mann: fusillade762: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.

Any episode with a Crusher as a main character rules the pile TNG bad. The magic lamp one was especially cringe worthy.


The Crusher/magic Irish ghost bedroom scene would have been much better if TNG were a HBO show.


I forgot there was an "Irish connection" thing there. I dont know why, but that makes it much worse.

But I'd only really be interested in a Dr Crusher sex scene would be if Ashley Judd was in another guest role. A kinky guest role.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.


Well, I'm really not going to take any part in this whatsoever, but there was that episode with the super anger alien who likes to bring his dead wife back and dance with her. He made a phantom ship that blew the Enterprise shields to hell. Worf says how much energy is in the blast like its a really big deal, so you can figure two hits from that would blow up an old Enterprise and 3 or four a new one. If you feel like looking it up, that is.
 
2012-09-15 01:08:55 AM

Pete_T_Mann: FirstNationalBastard: Pete_T_Mann: fusillade762: Magruda: The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: The dog peed on a tree, Archer refused to apologize, dog got sick and Archer spent all night in sickbay worrying over it, finally apologizes in a ridiculous ceremony. And Archer spent the entire episode in whiny biatchy holier-than-thou mode.

Seriously, with him making so many first contacts, it's a wonder Earth survived the hordes of pissed-off aliens.

...Christ.

No worse than that TNG expisode where they have no memory of the last 3 days or so and spend the entire fraking episode trying to figure it out and then negotiate a peace in the last 3 minutes with the aliens that wipped their memories. Compared to that standard "8 Simple Rules" was emmy worthy.

You're forgetting the one where Barclay turns into a giant spider.

Any episode with a Crusher as a main character rules the pile TNG bad. The magic lamp one was especially cringe worthy.


The Crusher/magic Irish ghost bedroom scene would have been much better if TNG were a HBO show.

I forgot there was an "Irish connection" thing there. I dont know why, but that makes it much worse.

But I'd only really be interested in a Dr Crusher sex scene would be if Ashley Judd was in another guest role. A kinky guest role.

Keizer_Ghidorah: Its counterpart would have to be the Executor. Theres much more technical data available on the galaxy class compared to the excelsior class anyway, so lets look at those numbers. I'll be using the best available data and converting to simplified units.

Galaxy class specs.

Well, I'm really not going to take any part in this whatsoever, but there was that episode with the super anger alien who likes to bring his dead wife back and dance with her. He made a phantom ship that blew the Enterprise shields to hell. Worf says how much energy is in the blast like its a really big deal, so you can figure two hits from that would blow up an old Enterprise and 3 or four a new one. If you feel like lo ...


I'm sure it's on Memory Alpha somewhere. Don't forget that the first time he tried the phantom ship the Enterprise kicked its ass and chased it away. The second time he made it super-duper strong to chase away the Enterprise. The third time Picard let the ship fire on his house, then blew it up with one torpedo.
 
2012-09-15 01:10:05 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"


I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...
 
2012-09-15 01:16:15 AM

aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...


ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.
 
2012-09-15 01:25:56 AM

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


That was a great scene about cultural differences. And even if that scene wasn't about cultural differences, it was a great scene.
 
2012-09-15 01:30:26 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...

ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.


I liked ANIS a lot better than the second season episode where they are on Risa and Trip gets his clothes stolen, Archer meets another dog and Hoshi finds a stud.
 
2012-09-15 01:33:19 AM

Jocundry: Keizer_Ghidorah: aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...

ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

I liked ANIS a lot better than the second season episode where they are on Risa and Trip gets his clothes stolen, Archer meets another dog and Hoshi finds a stud.


I missed that one. Naked Trip and Hoshi getting laid sounds like a good episode.

/not adverse to some fanservice in my "thoughtful" science fiction
//Tasha Yar's outfit in "The Naked Now", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr
///topless Sulu in "The Nake dTime", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr
 
2012-09-15 01:34:31 AM

Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?


The theme song was cool, but they criminally under utilized Mayweather, turned Trip into the male equivalent of the sexual damsel in distress, turned T'Pol into a sexually frustrated bitterwoman instead of making her an actual Vulcan like the vastly superior Tuvok*, and Archer's positive traits as a captain got undermined by temporal war reset button bullshiat.

No bueno. I tuned out. This show wasn't at all about telling us the story before TOS. It was some alternate universe bullshiat. Pass. I don't know why Star Trek always goes to the well of time manipulation; the few exceptions when it's done well are completely crushed under the many, many examples of when it's done suck.

/*Voyager had good parts
//the parts were greater than the sum
///Harry Kim had more development than Mayweather. Think about it.
 
2012-09-15 01:37:16 AM

Snapper Carr: LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf

This might just be the single greatest episode of Trek since Balance of Terror

Also O'Brien and Bashir reference Monty Python



I cried like a biatch during The Visitor. Everything right with television, was done right with that episode. People always mention 'Pale Moonlight'.... 'The Visitor' deserves just as many kudos and remembrances.

/extra special sauce: a truly believeable and poignant depiction of Black male unity, bonding, and fatherhood
 
2012-09-15 01:40:03 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jocundry: Keizer_Ghidorah: aspAddict: Keizer_Ghidorah: "A Night In Sickbay"

I just watched this one tonight. I hope it was a one-off of lousy writing and not a sign of things to come.

Dead Stop was pretty good, though...I wish they had ended with the station repairing itself, and making some reference to the ship being somehow related to the Borg...I don't know how or why, but that would have been cool...

ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

I liked ANIS a lot better than the second season episode where they are on Risa and Trip gets his clothes stolen, Archer meets another dog and Hoshi finds a stud.

I missed that one. Naked Trip and Hoshi getting laid sounds like a good episode.

/not adverse to some fanservice in my "thoughtful" science fiction
//Tasha Yar's outfit in "The Naked Now", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr
///topless Sulu in "The Nake dTime", rrrraaaaawwwwrrrrr


Nooooo...it's bad. Very bad. I think it's the last episode before they introduce the Xindi.

/I laugh every time Data talks about being 'complete'
/I laugh and then I get turned on a little
 
2012-09-15 01:45:33 AM

Mentat: Jake committing suicide to save Ben. Best DS9 moment ever.


Certainly one of the dustiest.
 
2012-09-15 01:52:59 AM

SamFlagg:
Voyager........I honestly think, a different person as Captain and first officer would've made the show better. Harry Kim (before he got his marching orders to be less interesting) Tom Paris and The Doctor were all great. B'elanna, eh, but you know passable. Neelix was alright.....Kes was.....well she was cute, but honestly I feel that whole 9 year lifespan garbage more or less hamstrung the character. Seven......I think one of the great problems in the show was "Let's give 7 all the really good introspective stuff, but let's also put her in a catsuit so we can oversexualize the character so you don't pay attention to any of that." Chakotay.......useless. Janeway.....Meh.


Mayweather in the mirror universe was a revelation... because he was eye candy! where had that man been, and why hadn't he been showcased???????

Harry Kim was cool, but then Tom Paris got pussy-whipped by B'Elana. I told a friend that things would have gone much better if they'd made Harry and Tom better bro-mates. B'Elana was a self-hating Klingon, which was an immediate turn-off. It kinda got redeemed with her mother, but then it got destroyed utterly with her trying to use alien technology to change her daughter's DNA in the womb to make her not just less Klingon, but some Aryan blonde bullshiat. She had no Klingon pride, and no Latina pride. I never bought the Tom and B'Elana love story. Bedmates, sure. But true love? You know who worked best with B'Elana? That first officer from the Equinox. She was like a totally different character, a totally different person... like, that's the dude she would have ended up with, if she hadn't been stuck in the barrel that was the limited dating pool of Voyager.

Tom and Harry should have hooked up. They had way more chemistry together than Tom and B'Elana.

I used to hate Neelix, then he became one of my favorite characters. He stayed true to himself, while growing in his own way.

I completely agree with you about the Ocampan life cycle hamstringing the character of Kes.

Chakotay got hamstrung by the Maqui storyline which should have presented a ton of conflict between him and Janeway........ the Maqui storyline which disappeared until the plot required it to reappear. I liked him as a character though. The writers didn't know how to handle him, and didn't know how to handle a man who is second in command to a woman, who chaffs not because of traditional gender conflict, but because he has a stronger sense of right and wrong than she does. They fked that up so hard.

After viewing her as a female Kirk, I like Janeway. I don't like many of her decisions, but only because those decisions are Kirk-like in their disregard for the prime directive.. not because they are bad decisions in themselves (though some were).
 
2012-09-15 01:59:22 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]


The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting over?"
 
2012-09-15 01:59:48 AM

Magruda: Regardless Enterprise would just negotiate until Vader force choked the crap out of Picard.


Then Data would just Photon Torpoedo Hayden Christensen into oblivion.
/theend.
 
2012-09-15 02:04:18 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

A Night in Sickbay

wasn't that damn bad. People just hate on it because the A- and B-plots aren't clearly delineated, one of the two of those is about Porthos, and the C-plot is kind of a turd being about unresolved sexual tension between two characters that don't have any onscreen sexual chemistry. All in all, it's a pretty important character study for Archer with a lot more significance to the show's myth arc as pertains to Archer altogether.

I actually had this conversation with two very good friends of mine recently, who are both hardcore Trek fans. We were discussing our favorite captains, and after both of them mentioned Archer was their least favorite I brought up the fact you really can't compare Archer (before season 4) to the other captains, for the fact that well, he's not one in the substantive sense. He's a test pilot, with the wrong psyche and ill-prepared for the role, who was given command despite the Vulcans' recommendations for reasons unknown (though, a handful of episodes including First Flight allow it to be inferred it was political). He's impulsive, emotional, stubborn, and entirely too optimistic for his own good and his crew's. A Night in Sickbay is one of the episodes that showcase that.

The Xindi superweapon arc is when Archer really is tested, deconstructed, and steps up to being a "captain". In terms of the character, seasons 1-3 are about Archer becoming a captain, and season 4 is the one that has him as one. Now, whether that made for good TV, or even contributed to the show's waning popularity and eventual cancellation despite season 4's quality, is a good question. ANIS is definitely better than that stupid Risa arc, but then again any time Risa shows up is a good cue to just skip to the next episode.

Though, in regards to the list...eh. Edith Keeler's little quip certainly isn't the greatest moment of Trek; it wasn't a defining moment for the show (though City of the Edge of Forever is certainly one of TOS' best), it was more stating the obvious. Spock's death is definitely the greatest Trek moment, though. The list certainly is a giant load for not having had Sisko's final monologue, or even his last exchange with Garak, from In the Pale Moonlight. Or, hell, the end of Siege of AR-558.
 
2012-09-15 02:05:30 AM
Deana Troi and Doctor Crusher exercising together.

Set camel toes to stun.
 
2012-09-15 02:09:20 AM

Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.


I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?
 
2012-09-15 02:10:06 AM

Solid Muldoon: Deana Troi and Doctor Crusher exercising together.

Set camel toes to stun.


Everyone loves 45 and older softcore....
 
2012-09-15 02:14:18 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story.


yeah, i remember it when the first time i saw it as Enemy Mine, and that episode where they rip off 1984 with the four lights was so original as well.

At the end of that episode i was just left wondering why the hell i watched that episode.
 
2012-09-15 02:22:19 AM
DS9 was the Empire Strikes Back of Star Trek.

That is all.
 
2012-09-15 02:26:46 AM
Last week me and two friends of mine got into another 'Star Trek' vs 'Star Wars' debate. They aren't really into Star Trek, but they mostly enjoy Star Wars (the prequels make it a 'mostly'). We were talking about Trek, with them asking me, what is is about the series that I like so much? There isn't much in the way of action, the movies are okay at best, and it's mostly people in uniforms on a super advanced starship talking. I explained to them that Star Wars is about the physical battle between good and evil. It is the action oriented sci-fi series. Star Trek can be, and when it is, it is enjoyable, Star Trek: First Contact for example. However, the series is at it's best when there isn't much in the way of action and it is about the ideas in the episode. I even explained that as much as Voyager sucks, it still had good episodes and the best episodes wasn't them fighting the Borg or the Kazon. Two of Voyager's best episodes contained almost no violence. 'The Thaw' and 'Death Wish' were my two examples. 'The Thaw' was about people facing the physical representation of fear, ending with Captain Janeway going up against Fear itself and defeating it. And 'Death Wish' centered around the idea of euthanasia, with an excellent comment in the episode about cowering to the government (Quinn made the comment that while currently the Qs were all quiet because there was nothing left to talk about, when Q was defiant and pissing off the Q government, that got the other Qs talking, and when he was completed his punishment and was allowed to return, the became a good little boy, and the Qs went back to silence because the only thing worth talking about was Q's rebellious actions. A small bit to the episode which later impacted the ending and spawned it's sequel).

It's that which makes Star Trek better than Star Wars. No one has ever watched a Star Wars movie or an episode of the Clone Wars and really talked about the subject in that episode and then debated it. Going back to Voyager, even though as a series it was the weakest, people still watched the episode 'Tuvix' and debated on it's ending and if it was the correct course of action, or if the crew allowed an innocent man to die as he pleaded for his life. But it wasn't just Voyager which had these episodes. 'The Next Generation' did it with 'Suddenly Human'. In DS9, there was an episode in the first season called 'Duet' that was mostly just Kira and a cardassian debating during the entire episode. The first season ended with the storyline of a Bajorian religious group bombing the school on the station and trying to assassinate Sisko because the school teacher (the very unqualified Keiko O'Brian) taught that there were aliens that lived in the wormhole, and this Bajorian group wanted her to teach that it wasn't a wormhole but the Celestial Temple, and those weren't aliens but their Gods, the Prophets. Bringing up the idea of does the churches or the government have the final say in what is taught in schools. Enterprise really didn't have many of those moments. It's also why I would love to see the return of a Star Trek tv series.
 
2012-09-15 02:27:22 AM

Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting over?"


For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?
 
2012-09-15 02:29:38 AM

that bosnian sniper: Keizer_Ghidorah: ANIS is the "Threshold" and "Shades of Gray" of Enterprise. None of the other episodes are as bad, but some do get close.

A Night in Sickbay wasn't that damn bad. People just hate on it because the A- and B-plots aren't clearly delineated, one of the two of those is about Porthos, and the C-plot is kind of a turd being about unresolved sexual tension between two characters that don't have any onscreen sexual chemistry. All in all, it's a pretty important character study for Archer with a lot more significance to the show's myth arc as pertains to Archer altogether.

I actually had this conversation with two very good friends of mine recently, who are both hardcore Trek fans. We were discussing our favorite captains, and after both of them mentioned Archer was their least favorite I brought up the fact you really can't compare Archer (before season 4) to the other captains, for the fact that well, he's not one in the substantive sense. He's a test pilot, with the wrong psyche and ill-prepared for the role, who was given command despite the Vulcans' recommendations for reasons unknown (though, a handful of episodes including First Flight allow it to be inferred it was political). He's impulsive, emotional, stubborn, and entirely too optimistic for his own good and his crew's. A Night in Sickbay is one of the episodes that showcase that.

The Xindi superweapon arc is when Archer really is tested, deconstructed, and steps up to being a "captain". In terms of the character, seasons 1-3 are about Archer becoming a captain, and season 4 is the one that has him as one. Now, whether that made for good TV, or even contributed to the show's waning popularity and eventual cancellation despite season 4's quality, is a good question. ANIS is definitely better than that stupid Risa arc, but then again any time Risa shows up is a good cue to just skip to the next episode.

Though, in regards to the list...eh. Edith Keeler's little quip certainly isn't the greates ...


They could have handled it better than "Archer acts like a spoiled petulant baby for the entire episode because his dog is ill and the aliens they're visiting are mad at him for the dog peeing on a tree". Plus the standard Trek "humor" fell flat, as usual.
 
2012-09-15 02:38:30 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?


What made that episode great was that until that episode, there was never an issue communicating with alien races. Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language. Like how there is no word in English for 'Face in need of a fist', but there is one in I think Italian. I dated a girl who was born and raised in Denmark but was living here in the states. I asked her how she pronounced her last name. She thought about it and finally answered "It's not going to be easy to explain to you because the Danish language has letters that english doesn't have."

Here you have a case where the technology is working perfectly, they just use so many cultural references that no one knows what to say in response. This is something that really should have been more common. The only time previously that I know of a language issue was in the episode 'The Ensigns of Command' where the Shelliack required the peace treaty with the Federation to be over 150,000 words and needed all sorts of linguistical and legal experts to make sure that it was to the likings of the Shelliack because they viewed humanoid language to be vague and lacking of detail.

The bit with the monster, that was just a plot device, nothing more.
 
2012-09-15 02:38:48 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?


The language doesn't make any sense - in order to even tell the story in the first place, one would need a tapestry of basic concepts established first. The phrases that refer to those stories wouldn't be understood without that.

The only way to sidestep around that requirement would require some form of communication without language such as conceptual telepathy, touch telepathy or genetically inborn knowledge (like a foal instinctually knowing how to stand)
 
2012-09-15 02:40:39 AM

Great Janitor: No one has ever watched a Star Wars movie or an episode of the Clone Wars and really talked about the subject in that episode and then debated it.


You fail. All Jedi had was a bunch of Muppets.
 
2012-09-15 02:48:43 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?


To me, what was really messed up, watch the episode 'The Pegasus' and find exactly when, from the time that Admiral Pressman beams to the Enterprise to the point where Riker is arrested, does Riker actually has the time to head to the holodeck and spend time playing around. The bits like Hoshi only being an ensign when the NX-01 is ready to be decommissioned even though she invented the Universal Translator that could be pinned to your shirt (that should have been worth a couple promotions and a standing invitation to teach at pretty much any university in the galaxy) and the error that Trip, the ship's chief engineer who holds the rank of 'Commander', never went to college, according to Hoshi. Archer still being a Captain isn't an issue. He probably knew that being an Admiral would mean leaving the Enterprise.
 
2012-09-15 02:49:52 AM

Great Janitor: Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language.


As a person who is both estudiante espanol and sprechen sie deutsch serr klien, I find this statment to be totally false.

A good linguist could have gotten farther than Picard (that French bastard) ever could.
 
2012-09-15 02:51:30 AM
Compared to the man of the year and a lame duck, the results was a landslide. To the victor, he was like a kid in a candy store. After alhe does have the lion's share of charm that easily fills up his fifteen minutes of fame.

Hmmm...

It's possible, a language of Idioms, but it would be - difficult to do it without a basic language to set it all up.
 
2012-09-15 02:52:15 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting ...


That was Rick Berman farking the Star Trek franchise up the ass, shooting his thick, feces-flecked load onto paper, and wiping his dick off on the previous four years of Enterprise. It doesn't count.

But Jensaarai (sp?) is right... Enterprise was set in a different timeline because of the changes made in First Contact. Things were bound to be different. And, it also makes total sense that The Lens Flare Picture would have character and continuity changes because of Enterprise and everything after FC/Enterprise being set in a different universe than the one that TNG and DS9 were in.

I may not like or approve of TLFMP, But I at least understand from a continuity standpoint why things are different.
 
2012-09-15 02:54:57 AM

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Dude, What the hell are you doing? You're supposed to use the dancing snoop dogg in blingee pics!

..Sorry, I stand corrected; dancing snoop lion.
 
2012-09-15 03:00:10 AM

Magruda: Great Janitor: Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language.

As a person who is both estudiante espanol and sprechen sie deutsch serr klien, I find this statment to be totally false.

A good linguist could have gotten farther than Picard (that French bastard) ever could.


In Picard's case, the problem wasn't the language, it was knowing their culture. I have my doubts that a good linguist would have any success if they were told to interact with an isolated of population who's entire language were references to Twilight novels and Justin Bieber singles. Or watching old reruns of the British version of 'Who's Lines is it?". Odds are, unless you were at least a teenager when those episodes were filmed and were living in England or at least paying attention to their politics, you're not going to get the jokes about the Labour party or Margaret Thatcher.
 
2012-09-15 03:04:18 AM

Great Janitor: Keizer_Ghidorah: For a supposed "reboot", why did it end in the middle of "The Pegasus" with Riker apparently watching the entire show trying to find inspiration to keep up his charade for Picard and his old commander? So it messes up the timeline yet also doesn't for that TNG episode?

To me, what was really messed up, watch the episode 'The Pegasus' and find exactly when, from the time that Admiral Pressman beams to the Enterprise to the point where Riker is arrested, does Riker actually has the time to head to the holodeck and spend time playing around. The bits like Hoshi only being an ensign when the NX-01 is ready to be decommissioned even though she invented the Universal Translator that could be pinned to your shirt (that should have been worth a couple promotions and a standing invitation to teach at pretty much any university in the galaxy) and the error that Trip, the ship's chief engineer who holds the rank of 'Commander', never went to college, according to Hoshi. Archer still being a Captain isn't an issue. He probably knew that being an Admiral would mean leaving the Enterprise.


The problems with prequels. So far no one has been able to do a truly good one.

FirstNationalBastard: Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark yo ...


If that's really the case, they could have explained it a little better. Trek has never been known for subtlety in the first place, and if you're going to make it a prequel series that essentially reboots the franchise then just tell us instead of pussyfooting around (and going right back to "Nope, it's not a reboot, here's "The Pegasus", everything's the same" didn't help).

Even going that Enterprise is a rebot, and it's part of Trek 2009's backstory, that still doesn't explain the ships going from the primitive Daedalus-class to the super-futuristic NX-class then back to the primitive look of the USS Kelvin (which is a design straight from Starfleet Command 1 and 2, one of the destroyer hulls).
 
2012-09-15 03:04:44 AM

Great Janitor: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.

Shaka, when the walls fell.

YES, I need a bucket after remembering that one.

I don't remember that episode. Looking it up, that's a damn fine concept for a story. That's good social sci-fi..... so how did they fk it up?

What made that episode great was that until that episode, there was never an issue communicating with alien races. Even races that they just met for the first time in Federation history, the universal translator managed to translate everything into proper english. The only time it failed what though very rare times in Star Trek when the story line required it to fail. It kind of goes back to that common problem when dealing with translating something from one language to another where there isn't a word for that in the other language. Like how there is no word in English for 'Face in need of a fist', but there is one in I think Italian. I dated a girl who was born and raised in Denmark but was living here in the states. I asked her how she pronounced her last name. She thought about it and finally answered "It's not going to be easy to explain to you because the Danish language has letters that english doesn't have."

Here you have a case where the technology is working perfectly, they just use so many cultural references that no one knows what to say in response. This is something that really should have been more common. The only time previously that I know of a language issue was in the episode 'The Ensigns of Command' where the Shelliack required the peace treaty with the Federation to be over 150,000 words an ...


Anyone who hates that episode needs to go back to watching farking cop shows or jersey shore or whatever retarded swill they like to lap up
 
2012-09-15 03:08:37 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: If that's really the case, they could have explained it a little better. Trek has never been known for subtlety in the first place, and if you're going to make it a prequel series that essentially reboots the franchise then just tell us instead of pussyfooting around (and going right back to "Nope, it's not a reboot, here's "The Pegasus", everything's the same" didn't help).

Even going that Enterprise is a rebot, and it's part of Trek 2009's backstory, that still doesn't explain the ships going from the primitive Daedalus-class to the super-futuristic NX-class then back to the primitive look of the USS Kelvin (which is a design straight from Starfleet Command 1 and 2, one of the destroyer hulls).



Actually, it was NX to Daedalus.

And we never did see the Daedalus class ships in Enterprise, so who's to say that they existed in that configuration in that timeline? They may have looked closer to the Olympic class ships from All Good Things

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2012-09-15 03:09:27 AM

Magruda: sprechen sie deutsch serr klien


Was zum Teufel lese ich? 

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-15 03:28:07 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Keizer_Ghidorah: If that's really the case, they could have explained it a little better. Trek has never been known for subtlety in the first place, and if you're going to make it a prequel series that essentially reboots the franchise then just tell us instead of pussyfooting around (and going right back to "Nope, it's not a reboot, here's "The Pegasus", everything's the same" didn't help).

Even going that Enterprise is a rebot, and it's part of Trek 2009's backstory, that still doesn't explain the ships going from the primitive Daedalus-class to the super-futuristic NX-class then back to the primitive look of the USS Kelvin (which is a design straight from Starfleet Command 1 and 2, one of the destroyer hulls).


Actually, it was NX to Daedalus.

And we never did see the Daedalus class ships in Enterprise, so who's to say that they existed in that configuration in that timeline? They may have looked closer to the Olympic class ships from All Good Things

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x311]


That's even worse. Like how the technology in the Star Wars prequels went from smooth and shiny and futuristic to the boxy, worn and primitive look in the original trilogy, despite 20 years of rampant Imperial tech research.

Ah, the Olympic-class, one of the most fun ships to play as in Star Trek Online.
 
2012-09-15 03:35:33 AM
I hate it when the fantasy universe people start the bullshiat about star wars ships defeating star trek universe ships. It was a galaxy long ago and far away. They didn't even have hu-mans. As far as we know the ships could be microscopic from our perspective. Plus, none of the star wars farks could shoot worth a shiat. At all. And their shields are shiat. A lone fighter destroyed an entire space station for fark's sake. The empire's forces were quite easily resisted by vegetarian teddy bears with rope and rocks and shiat. And you don't think the enterprise could defeat the whatever the fark? Please. As for Vader, who cares. He would draw Q's interest immediately and Q would have that motherfarker pissed off and wearing tights on the holodeck in two shakes of a lamb's tail. And the other Darth thingamajigs would exhaust themselves wailing on Odo with their silly flashlights... while Odo sat there reading a book as he waited a few parsecs for them to get tired.
 
2012-09-15 03:46:05 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Magruda: sprechen sie deutsch serr klien

Was zum Teufel lese ich? 


I did say serr klien
 
2012-09-15 04:23:50 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark you, we're starting ...


Dude, if you're coming at me with that abortion of a last minute "finale" once the show was cancelled to negate the past few seasons of material, you've already lost the argument, and you know it. ;)

Referencing that episode is the Godwin of the Star Trek Universe... which is kinda funny, considering how it's a Universe that's apparently full of Nazis.
 
2012-09-15 04:35:37 AM

Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Jensaarai: Keizer_Ghidorah: Charles_Nelson_Reilly: I also like Enterprise -- not every episode, but most. I like the story arcs. To each their own, but I've never understood the Enterprise hate.

The main thing is they amde a prequel to TOS set during a time when there was plenty of already-established canon for that time period, and they ignored it and made up their own. Especially with the NX having first contact with the Romulans (without any mention of the war and establishment of the Neutral Zone), and the entire Xindi arc, something so huge and important that it was never mentioned or remembered in later times.

The NX-Enterprise looking like an upside-down Akira-class ship didn't help, looking way too damn futuristic for a time when the most advanced Earth starship was the Daedalus-class explorer:

[www.scifilists.com image 450x250]

The thing almost nobody seemed to get about Enterprise was that it was a subtle reboot that writers kept hinting at more and more until they finally outright said it by giving us the Borg-Sphere-Debris episode, which 'fans' still managed to completely miss the point of. It occurs Weeners-Contact farking with the timeline. Zefram Cochrane, motherfarking innovator of the millennium, witnessed exactly what the Enterprise was like. He saw the Borg. He saw tricorders, phasers, and all that shiat. His main assistant was *on the farking Enterprise* and saw even crazier shiat.

Don't you think that would *ever so slightly* alter starship design from that point forward, if the two top people working on that shiat couldn't help but know what they were working towards?

Say what you will about the shiatty plot arcs of Enterprise and I'll nod along, but complaining about how they "got the development of the Federation and Starfleet wrong" is just retarded.

Unfortunately, Trekkies were too busy biatching about details to "get" what they were trying to do. So why not just drop all subtlety and make a movie that says, "fark yo ...


What argument? I thought we were having a discussion.
 
2012-09-15 04:45:49 AM
My list of "Star Trek" Movies. From best to worst.

1. The Wrath of Khan
2. Undiscovered Country
3. Voyage Home
4. Search for Spock
5. The Motion Picture
6. Shatner's Ego
7. Generations
8. A Generic Space Movie
9. Insurrection
10. First contact

I haven't seen Nemesis yet and I'm not going out of my way to watch it.

I will not believe that JJ Abram's movie is better than "Wrath of Khan". Sorry not possible.
 
2012-09-15 05:11:33 AM

SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.


Hey, as a straight male, I found T'Pol VERY interesting..
 
2012-09-15 05:20:13 AM
DS9 sucked, and everyone knows it was nothing but a cheap rip-off of Bablyon 5.
 
2012-09-15 05:25:47 AM

cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.


You are wrong about Enterprise.
 
2012-09-15 05:25:47 AM

2words1finger: DS9 was the best, and everyone knows that Babylon 5 ripped it off.


Fixed for truth.

/suck it
 
2012-09-15 06:25:24 AM

peterthx: 2words1finger: DS9 was the best, and everyone knows that Babylon 5 ripped it off.

Fixed for truth.

/suck it


Listen here you lying son of a B. That's a lie. It's the other way around. And if I hear this kind of nonsense ever again we're gonna have a nerd fight. A real nasty one, too. I'll have you know that DS9 ripped off B5 after B5 was pitched to Fox. Every early 90s usenet group said so! Say any different and I'll have no choice but to tell people that you think Voyager was the best Star Trek. Don't eff with me, I'll do it!

/why did this make me so angry?
//I should never go on Fark drunk
///ever...
 
2012-09-15 06:45:57 AM

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2012-09-15 07:26:07 AM
Trek 2009 at least finally showed the ships as capital ships. Watch, say, the battle of wolf 359; ships are buzzing around the cube, one phaser and spreads of torpedoes.

Then you get the Kelvin with actual point defense....
 
2012-09-15 07:32:39 AM
I don't know what you guys are talking about. Some of my best moments in Star Trek history:

First season of Star Trek: Academy, 1997. The youngest astrophysics Cadet Kane in Starfleet Academy, played by Jonathan Lipnicki - who was picked on by other students for every episode in the season - especially the Wolfpack students led by Cadet Sutter played by Heath Ledger - suddenly commits suicide right in front of everyone.

Third season finale of Star Trek: Caduceus, 1992. Captain Chung of the medical research cruiser USS Elizabeth Blackwell played by James Hong reveals himself to be a Romulan deep cover agent after a series a hints to the audience all season - then takes out 3 Romulan Warbirds and rams the Blackwell into the last Warbird to save his Starfleet crew.

That one episode of Star Trek: Neutral Zone where a memetic virus infects everyone and makes the crew of Rubidium Station speak in rhyme for the whole episode and it turns out that the virus was sentient and was really a distress call from an extradimensional dying species.

The first episode of Star Trek: Farflung, thanks to the media blackout, was a mindjob as well when it was revealed that the entire crew of the Federation Starship Saratoga - and the actual premise of the entire series thereafter - were artificial intelligences created by unknown advanced aliens to study how the extinct human species worked a thousand years ago.

God, I miss those shows.
 
2012-09-15 07:40:05 AM

TheCenturion: Trek 2009 at least finally showed the ships as capital ships. Watch, say, the battle of wolf 359; ships are buzzing around the cube, one phaser and spreads of torpedoes.

Then you get the Kelvin with actual point defense....


It sure was nice to see point defense phaser shots outside of Star Trek: Armada games.
 
2012-09-15 08:45:31 AM

Magruda: ThatBillmanGuy: Also no worse than that one episode where a bunch of linguisticly retarded aliens decide the best way to communicate is to beam down to a planet with an invisible lightning monster and try to kill it with a knife while telling stories.

Was that the one where Picard finally figured out their language at the end after that alien died? God that was horrible.


What are you talking about? That episode was awesome. The universal translator is such an ubiquitous part of Star Trek, it was neat that they were able to tell a story about the limitations of translation. And the idea of a species that speaks entirely in allusions to their own history and culture is really clever.
 
2012-09-15 08:46:23 AM
The list was made up of all Original Series episodes, and judging by the article's title, that's all it's supposed to be. Suby didn't even read the article before posting it with a stupid headline.
 
2012-09-15 08:54:14 AM
www.webpan.com
 
2012-09-15 08:54:17 AM

skepticultist: What are you talking about? That episode was awesome. The universal translator is such an ubiquitous part of Star Trek, it was neat that they were able to tell a story about the limitations of translation. And the idea of a species that speaks entirely in allusions to their own history and culture is really clever.


It didn't make any sense to me though. Even if you could make an entire language based on referencing your mythology, at some point that mythology had to be written in a "regular" language. Or was that mythology also expressed on metaphor of something else? Turtles all the way down.

I find it best if they just gloss over the universal translator thing. It's a cop out plot device but without it, every alien they meet would have a language barrier and they could never get to the story.
 
2012-09-15 09:20:57 AM

Mugato: It didn't make any sense to me though. Even if you could make an entire language based on referencing your mythology, at some point that mythology had to be written in a "regular" language. Or was that mythology also expressed on metaphor of something else? Turtles all the way down.


That bugged me too, but perhaps that culture had "lost" its root language having only used it as a booster rocket to get them to the point where they had a cultural heritage deep enough to make idiom-based communication possible - its clear that traces of that root language exist in the form of connecting words (Darmok and Jamal at Tanagra), but the construction of their language obviously doesn't allow for expressions like "You and I will hunt this monster together, and hopefully establish a sense of camaraderie from which we can build a future working relationship."
 
2012-09-15 09:27:46 AM

Shostie
If Berman Trek gets your rocks off, then more power to ya.

You do know berman was running TNG, right
 
2012-09-15 09:30:27 AM

OnlyM3: You do know berman was running TNG, right


People shiat on Berman and he did go off the rails towards the end (or maybe middle) there but TNG under Roddenberry was abysmal.
 
2012-09-15 09:35:46 AM

skepticultist: Mugato: It didn't make any sense to me though. Even if you could make an entire language based on referencing your mythology, at some point that mythology had to be written in a "regular" language. Or was that mythology also expressed on metaphor of something else? Turtles all the way down.

That bugged me too, but perhaps that culture had "lost" its root language having only used it as a booster rocket to get them to the point where they had a cultural heritage deep enough to make idiom-based communication possible - its clear that traces of that root language exist in the form of connecting words (Darmok and Jamal at Tanagra), but the construction of their language obviously doesn't allow for expressions like "You and I will hunt this monster together, and hopefully establish a sense of camaraderie from which we can build a future working relationship."


This. I do like the episode, but this always nags at me when I watch it.
 
2012-09-15 10:03:03 AM

Mugato: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
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Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.


Well, presumably that would be unstoppable. Didn't they show in the new Trek that the range of transporters is limitless? Rendering starships partially useless?
 
2012-09-15 10:18:38 AM

Mugato: OnlyM3: You do know berman was running TNG, right

People shiat on Berman and he did go off the rails towards the end (or maybe middle) there but TNG under Roddenberry was abysmal.


I don't know man. People kept saying the best TNG was S3-S6. That was the time Michael Piller was an active showrunner on TNG before he went to DS9, taking Ira Steven Behr and Ron Moore with him. While Voyager, when it began, was Berman, Brannon Braga and Jeri Taylor's project. Seems like the constant factor for quality in a majority of farkers here appears to be Michael Piller, RIP.

There was also Ron Moore's interview on IGN where he said he enjoyed his time as producer and writer on DS9 and when DS9 ended, Berman asked him to join Voyager as executive producer. He found that writers under Berman only wrote and wasn't allowed to view the shooting of episodes to talk to and get feedback from the actors and directors. He quit after one episode (Barge of the Dead, IIRC).
 
2012-09-15 10:20:01 AM

Aarontology: Shostie: Listen, I know you grew up with DS9, but TNG is superior.

It is known.

Number of Troi episodes in DS9: 1
Number of Troi episodes in TNG: more than 1


Number of Picard episodes in DS9: 0.
Number of Picard episodes in TNG: more than 1.

TNG is best.

The Picard song
 
2012-09-15 10:31:15 AM

Fano: Didn't they show in the new Trek that the range of transporters is limitless? Rendering starships partially useless?


I think I remember something like that. There was so much goofy shiat in the movie, I dunno.
 
2012-09-15 10:39:31 AM

Fano: Well, presumably that would be unstoppable. Didn't they show in the new Trek that the range of transporters is limitless? Rendering starships partially useless?


...doesn't subspace communication and AI, something that has been a staple of the series since TOS, render starships and manned exploration obsolete?
 
2012-09-15 10:54:44 AM

JohnBigBootay: I hate it when the fantasy universe people start the bullshiat about star wars ships defeating star trek universe ships. It was a galaxy long ago and far away. They didn't even have hu-mans. As far as we know the ships could be microscopic from our perspective. Plus, none of the star wars farks could shoot worth a shiat. At all. And their shields are shiat. A lone fighter destroyed an entire space station for fark's sake. The empire's forces were quite easily resisted by vegetarian teddy bears with rope and rocks and shiat. And you don't think the enterprise could defeat the whatever the fark? Please. As for Vader, who cares. He would draw Q's interest immediately and Q would have that motherfarker pissed off and wearing tights on the holodeck in two shakes of a lamb's tail. And the other Darth thingamajigs would exhaust themselves wailing on Odo with their silly flashlights... while Odo sat there reading a book as he waited a few parsecs for them to get tired.



Awesome
 
2012-09-15 11:01:05 AM

that bosnian sniper: ...doesn't subspace communication and AI, something that has been a staple of the series since TOS, render starships and manned exploration obsolete?


Not really. You have to actually travel around and make contact with aliens and use diplomacy and shiat. You can't do that over a ham radio. And since even after all these years no one's been able to duplicate him, Data's the only real android with sentient AI (well he's dead but there's a spare). Although I guess they have sentient holograms now (The Doctor, not Tupac).
 
2012-09-15 11:32:46 AM

OregonVet: [www.webpan.com image 550x197]


imageshack.us
 
2012-09-15 11:55:19 AM
My favorite episode was the original (uncensored version) one where Troi got drunk, took all her clothes off, and got Wesley into the holodeck, where she proceeded to teach him all there was to know about zero-gravity sex and its effects on large breasts. All the other episodes sucked donkey ass.

/Yes, I know. That's the point.
 
2012-09-15 12:07:43 PM
I never liked Star Trek TNG. I gave up after the first episode. Apparently it got better, but man that Farpoint, or whatever it was called was pure unadulterated crap.
 
2012-09-15 12:16:26 PM
No mention of TNG's "The Inner Light" or DS9's "The Visitor"?

/Also: There are FOUR lights.
 
2012-09-15 12:59:23 PM
The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.
 
2012-09-15 01:11:08 PM
Grew up watching the original series when it was on television in the '60s and have never stopped. Have never seen a second of any of the further generations and never will.

Don't f$ck with perfection.
 
2012-09-15 01:14:42 PM

klaatuwolf: The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.


And Q never bothered the station again. If only Picard had realized how simple it was.
 
2012-09-15 01:47:04 PM

Mugato: Not really. You have to actually travel around and make contact with aliens and use diplomacy and shiat. You can't do that over a ham radio. And since even after all these years no one's been able to duplicate him, Data's the only real android with sentient AI (well he's dead but there's a spare). Although I guess they have sentient holograms now (The Doctor, not Tupac).


Yes, and that doesn't change or really affect my point. When and if unmanned probes find something interesting, you can send a ship with a manned crew. It's still cheaper, safer, more efficient and faster.
 
2012-09-15 02:19:45 PM

Magruda: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Magruda: sprechen sie deutsch serr klien

Was zum Teufel lese ich? 

I did say serr klien


that's like saying I speak verr ltiile english
 
2012-09-15 03:20:31 PM

jmr61: Grew up watching the original series when it was on television in the '60s and have never stopped. Have never seen a second of any of the further generations and never will.

Don't f$ck with perfection.


*snort* "Perfection" meaning a jealous ex-lover stealing Kirk's body, planets of Nazis and mobsters and Romans, Kirk speechifying from an exact alien copy of the US Constitution on a pre-Industrial Revolution world, the "This is Halloween" planet, half of the planets they find being controlled by a supercomputer that Kirk shoots and leaves the planet in chaos, and "Spock's Brain"?
 
2012-09-15 03:50:10 PM
My vote:
www.startrek.com

Devolved Worf in pure bloodlust rage chasing rodent-Picard and stoic Data.
 
2012-09-15 04:31:12 PM

NeoCortex42: klaatuwolf: The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.

And Q never bothered the station again. If only Picard had realized how simple it was.


The Q character never made any sense. He's not all seeing, he's definitely all knowing. No omnipotent creature could possibly be constantly surprised at everything the puny humans do. Sisko recognized how poorly written the character was and just knocked him the fark out.
 
2012-09-15 04:58:58 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: klaatuwolf: The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.

And Q never bothered the station again. If only Picard had realized how simple it was.

The Q character never made any sense. He's not all seeing, he's definitely all knowing. No omnipotent creature could possibly be constantly surprised at everything the puny humans do. Sisko recognized how poorly written the character was and just knocked him the fark out.


Q was a case of Depending On The Writer. Watch all of his episodes in the three series and you'll see how he constantly flip-flops between all-powerful judgmental asshole, giggling fanboy of Picard's, and mischievous Puck-style goofball. To say nothing of his behavior in Voyager.
 
2012-09-15 05:03:40 PM

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


YOU LIE!!

DS9 was the second best "new" series. Beats ST:V and ST:E, but falls to ST:TNG as a reason to love ST again

/nerd rage off
 
2012-09-15 05:13:54 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Q was a case of Depending On The Writer. Watch all of his episodes in the three series and you'll see how he constantly flip-flops between all-powerful judgmental asshole, giggling fanboy of Picard's, and mischievous Puck-style goofball. To say nothing of his behavior in Voyager.


I've been re-visiting Voyager for the first time since they originally aired on Netflix and after exhausting all the interesting Seven of Nine episodes, I resorted to some of the earlier ones and the Q episodes really REALLY suck in V'ger. I mean horrible writing.

But even when he was a supposed bad ass, when he put humanity on trial, his actions still weren't those of an omnipotent being who by definition of that word, knew everything that was around the corner and certainly couldn't be surprised by anything an amoeba like Picard could throw at him.

The closest the character came to actually living up to what he was supposed to be was in the episode where PIcard dies and Q lets him undo the event that caused him to die. Undoing that event farked up Picard's life and Q seemed to already know that. It was the only episode where he actually acted like an omnipotent being.

But if the writers of the Bible can't make an omnipotent being make any sense, what chance did Rick Berman's writing staff have?
 
2012-09-15 05:22:18 PM

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: Q was a case of Depending On The Writer. Watch all of his episodes in the three series and you'll see how he constantly flip-flops between all-powerful judgmental asshole, giggling fanboy of Picard's, and mischievous Puck-style goofball. To say nothing of his behavior in Voyager.

I've been re-visiting Voyager for the first time since they originally aired on Netflix and after exhausting all the interesting Seven of Nine episodes, I resorted to some of the earlier ones and the Q episodes really REALLY suck in V'ger. I mean horrible writing.

But even when he was a supposed bad ass, when he put humanity on trial, his actions still weren't those of an omnipotent being who by definition of that word, knew everything that was around the corner and certainly couldn't be surprised by anything an amoeba like Picard could throw at him.

The closest the character came to actually living up to what he was supposed to be was in the episode where PIcard dies and Q lets him undo the event that caused him to die. Undoing that event farked up Picard's life and Q seemed to already know that. It was the only episode where he actually acted like an omnipotent being.

But if the writers of the Bible can't make an omnipotent being make any sense, what chance did Rick Berman's writing staff have?


It works better if you remember that Q is full of himself and only boasts of being omnipotent. He has power, but not sense, and he's far from invincible. His and Guinan's first on-screen encounter show that he fears her and her species a bit (never explained, though, but he also never tried doing anything to her).
 
2012-09-15 05:34:40 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: It works better if you remember that Q is full of himself and only boasts of being omnipotent. He has power, but not sense, and he's far from invincible. His and Guinan's first on-screen encounter show that he fears her and her species a bit (never explained, though, but he also never tried doing anything to her).


Yeah but all other Q act like that too, and they demonstrated that they can move forward and backward in time. I guess the blanket explanation is that we as mortals just don't get it.
 
2012-09-15 05:43:25 PM

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: It works better if you remember that Q is full of himself and only boasts of being omnipotent. He has power, but not sense, and he's far from invincible. His and Guinan's first on-screen encounter show that he fears her and her species a bit (never explained, though, but he also never tried doing anything to her).

Yeah but all other Q act like that too, and they demonstrated that they can move forward and backward in time. I guess the blanket explanation is that we as mortals just don't get it.


I assume he is the sci-fi equivalent of Mr. Myxptlk or Bat-mite. They seem to be transcendently powerful beings from another dimension that are complete doofuses when the plot calls for it.
 
2012-09-15 05:46:17 PM

Fano: Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: It works better if you remember that Q is full of himself and only boasts of being omnipotent. He has power, but not sense, and he's far from invincible. His and Guinan's first on-screen encounter show that he fears her and her species a bit (never explained, though, but he also never tried doing anything to her).

Yeah but all other Q act like that too, and they demonstrated that they can move forward and backward in time. I guess the blanket explanation is that we as mortals just don't get it.

I assume he is the sci-fi equivalent of Mr. Myxptlk or Bat-mite. They seem to be transcendently powerful beings from another dimension that are complete doofuses when the plot calls for it.


This. Especially when up against the central character.
 
2012-09-15 06:16:17 PM

caddisfly: My vote:
[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

Devolved Worf in pure bloodlust rage chasing rodent-Picard and stoic Data.


That was the worst episode ever which means Vedek Winn is automatically Kai and you must go to the corner and recite 50 Hail Siskos
 
2012-09-15 06:19:51 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: caddisfly: My vote:
[www.startrek.com image 320x240]

Devolved Worf in pure bloodlust rage chasing rodent-Picard and stoic Data.

That was the worst episode ever which means Vedek Winn is automatically Kai and you must go to the corner and recite 50 Hail Siskos


At least they didn't turn into lizards.
Also: "Brain, brain. What is brain?"
 
2012-09-15 06:37:48 PM
TNG vs DS9

Better effects and space battles-DS9 easily.
Regular characters viewers cared about:
TNG: Picard, Riker, Troi, Wesley, Beverly, Yar (i guess), DATA, Geordi, Worf, Guinan (maybe), O'Brien
DS9: Sisko, Jake, Dax(2 of them), Kira, Worf and O'Brien (both of which had much more character development here), Odo, Quark, Rom, Nog, Bashir, Garak, Vic Fontaine.
Recurring villain:
TNG: Q
DS9: Gul Dukat, Changeling biatch, Weyoun (sp?)
(DS9 wins)
TNG: Mostly stand alone episodes.
DS9: Epic story arcs.
(Individual preference)
 
2012-09-15 06:48:14 PM

AaronSynn: TNG vs DS9

Better effects and space battles-DS9 easily.
Regular characters viewers cared about:
TNG: Picard, Riker, Troi, Wesley, Beverly, Yar (i guess), DATA, Geordi, Worf, Guinan (maybe), O'Brien
DS9: Sisko, Jake, Dax(2 of them), Kira, Worf and O'Brien (both of which had much more character development here), Odo, Quark, Rom, Nog, Bashir, Garak, Vic Fontaine.
Recurring villain:
TNG: Q
DS9: Gul Dukat, Changeling biatch, Weyoun (sp?)
(DS9 wins)
TNG: Mostly stand alone episodes.
DS9: Epic story arcs.
(Individual preference)


I say advantage DS9 but I'd like to give the much reviled Voyager a day in court

Seven of Nine, yes she has big boobies but she also had a pretty decent character arc from mindless drone to a condescending biatch to a real human
Janeway, yeah it's a joke that she's a woman who immediately got lost but she got her crew through some shiat and had even less ethics than Sisko
Tom and Harry, clearly made for each other. Their bromance was deeper than that of Dr. Bashir and O'Brien and their holodeck exploits were cooler
Bellana, I dig violent girls with short black hair
The Doctor, another great character arc and some pretty good performances with a lot of humor
....and the rest, none of them really pissed me off. Except Chakotay, he was worthless.

...so Voyager might not have been the best show but it had a solid crew
 
2012-09-15 06:52:54 PM

Mugato: AaronSynn: TNG vs DS9

Better effects and space battles-DS9 easily.
Regular characters viewers cared about:
TNG: Picard, Riker, Troi, Wesley, Beverly, Yar (i guess), DATA, Geordi, Worf, Guinan (maybe), O'Brien
DS9: Sisko, Jake, Dax(2 of them), Kira, Worf and O'Brien (both of which had much more character development here), Odo, Quark, Rom, Nog, Bashir, Garak, Vic Fontaine.
Recurring villain:
TNG: Q
DS9: Gul Dukat, Changeling biatch, Weyoun (sp?)
(DS9 wins)
TNG: Mostly stand alone episodes.
DS9: Epic story arcs.
(Individual preference)

I say advantage DS9 but I'd like to give the much reviled Voyager a day in court

Seven of Nine, yes she has big boobies but she also had a pretty decent character arc from mindless drone to a condescending biatch to a real human
Janeway, yeah it's a joke that she's a woman who immediately got lost but she got her crew through some shiat and had even less ethics than Sisko
Tom and Harry, clearly made for each other. Their bromance was deeper than that of Dr. Bashir and O'Brien and their holodeck exploits were cooler
Bellana, I dig violent girls with short black hair
The Doctor, another great character arc and some pretty good performances with a lot of humor
....and the rest, none of them really pissed me off. Except Chakotay, he was worthless.

...so Voyager might not have been the best show but it had a solid crew


The supporting characters of Voyager were so dull that even the writers forgot that Naomi's mother was still alive, which is why she just suddenly disappeared. They thought they had killed her off.
 
2012-09-15 07:03:13 PM

NeoCortex42: The supporting characters of Voyager were so dull that even the writers forgot that Naomi's mother was still alive, which is why she just suddenly disappeared. They thought they had killed her off.


I thought Naomi Wildman's mother was killed on an away mission, since 7 became her sort of surrogate mother. Well I wasn't talking about the supporting characters, just the bridge crew.
 
2012-09-15 07:33:11 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: The supporting characters of Voyager were so dull that even the writers forgot that Naomi's mother was still alive, which is why she just suddenly disappeared. They thought they had killed her off.

I thought Naomi Wildman's mother was killed on an away mission, since 7 became her sort of surrogate mother. Well I wasn't talking about the supporting characters, just the bridge crew.


So did the writers. After the series was finished, the writers have said in interviews that they simply thought they had killed her off, but it turned out they never did.

And I think supporting characters are very important for the shows. TNG didn't really have much in the way of recurring roles outside of the main cast aside from O'Brien and some admirals. DS9 had a great set of recurring characters, both heroes and villains. Also, Garak. DS9 wins.
 
2012-09-15 07:38:35 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: caddisfly: My vote:
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Devolved Worf in pure bloodlust rage chasing rodent-Picard and stoic Data.

That was the worst episode ever which means Vedek Winn is automatically Kai and you must go to the corner and recite 50 Hail Siskos


No, the worst episode was the one about the haunted candle on planet Scotland that gave Dr. Crusher orgasms.
 
2012-09-15 07:44:47 PM

ryant123: The All-Powerful Atheismo: caddisfly: My vote:
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Devolved Worf in pure bloodlust rage chasing rodent-Picard and stoic Data.

That was the worst episode ever which means Vedek Winn is automatically Kai and you must go to the corner and recite 50 Hail Siskos

No, the worst episode was the one about the haunted candle on planet Scotland that gave Dr. Crusher orgasms.


At least that was an actual episode. Unlike that POS that Shades of Gray was.
 
2012-09-15 08:00:16 PM

NeoCortex42: And I think supporting characters are very important for the shows. TNG didn't really have much in the way of recurring roles outside of the main cast aside from O'Brien and some admirals. DS9 had a great set of recurring characters, both heroes and villains. Also, Garak. DS9 wins.


Well it's not a contest, I already said DS9 was the best. I was just making the case that Voyager had a solid main cast. It had less characters that annoyed me than TNG and Enterprise anyway.

I'd contend that Garek was a main character, at least in the last few seasons. I actually don't care much for the Ferengi characters but that's a personal preference, I know they're popular.
 
2012-09-15 09:26:17 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: klaatuwolf: The argument about whether Kirk or Picard was the better captain can be summed up in five words and one letter. Sisko punched Q in the face.

And Q never bothered the station again. If only Picard had realized how simple it was.

The Q character never made any sense. He's not all seeing, he's definitely all knowing. No omnipotent creature could possibly be constantly surprised at everything the puny humans do. Sisko recognized how poorly written the character was and just knocked him the fark out.


The Q are omnipotent, in that they have supreme control over the physical laws of existence, but they are neither omniscient nor omnipresent. They are both local and time-bound -- they experience the passage of time in the same way most other species do, and thus experience a concept of space (though the bounds of their awareness are far more vast than most species). They are not gods, they are merely godlike aliens.

It's never safe to assume that any of Q's actions (or reactions, such as surprise) are genuine. It is entirely possible, even probable, that Q is acting his reactions, and that all of his hostility and arrogance are deliberate manipulations of human psychology. He could very well be intentionally presenting himself as an arrogant, overbearing and obnoxious godlike being in order to motivate a specific reaction from Picard and his crew. Q definitely appears to have a specific agenda regarding the Enterprise and its crew (I think Q is in many ways indirectly responsible for the Federation surviving contact with the Borg), and perhaps being seen as an antagonist was the most effective means of pushing that agenda.
 
2012-09-15 10:17:06 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: The supporting characters of Voyager were so dull that even the writers forgot that Naomi's mother was still alive, which is why she just suddenly disappeared. They thought they had killed her off.

I thought Naomi Wildman's mother was killed on an away mission, since 7 became her sort of surrogate mother. Well I wasn't talking about the supporting characters, just the bridge crew.

So did the writers. After the series was finished, the writers have said in interviews that they simply thought they had killed her off, but it turned out they never did.

And I think supporting characters are very important for the shows. TNG didn't really have much in the way of recurring roles outside of the main cast aside from O'Brien and some admirals. DS9 had a great set of recurring characters, both heroes and villains. Also, Garak. DS9 wins.


Blame this episode for Samantha and Naomi Wildman
 
2012-09-15 10:21:13 PM

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: It works better if you remember that Q is full of himself and only boasts of being omnipotent. He has power, but not sense, and he's far from invincible. His and Guinan's first on-screen encounter show that he fears her and her species a bit (never explained, though, but he also never tried doing anything to her).

Yeah but all other Q act like that too, and they demonstrated that they can move forward and backward in time. I guess the blanket explanation is that we as mortals just don't get it.


As Sisko is also beyond space and time, is that the real reason why he was able to punch out Q?
 
2012-09-15 10:48:26 PM
Kirk never met Q, so it's sort of unfair to judge Sisko the greatest captain.

Though, despite Kirk's willingness to Kirk Fu everything, I doubt he'd have had to resort to punching Q. Spock did meet Q (if you count the Alien Voices audio plays as any kind of cannon) and beat him psychologically more than once.

Actually, I bet Kirk would have liked Q and they would've torn the universe a new one together.
 
2012-09-15 10:50:46 PM

J. Walter Weatherman: Listen here you lying son of a B. That's a lie. It's the other way around. And if I hear this kind of nonsense ever again we're gonna have a nerd fight. A real nasty one, too. I'll have you know that DS9 ripped off B5 after B5 was pitched to Fox. Every early 90s usenet group said so! Say any different and I'll have no choice but to tell people that you think Voyager was the best Star Trek. Don't eff with me, I'll do it!


B5 was pitched to Paramount, not Fox. They turned it down because DS9 was already in development, they didn't bloody steal the idea.

B5 ripped off TREK with the Whitestar (Defiant), the war (Dominion War), etc.

/Crusade was an even bigger ripoff
//didn't know usenet was the arbiter of all things
 
2012-09-15 10:54:08 PM

ThatBillmanGuy: Kirk never met Q, so it's sort of unfair to judge Sisko the greatest captain.


He did slap Trelane who was (non-canonically) a baby Q.
 
2012-09-15 11:02:07 PM

Snapper Carr: ThatBillmanGuy: Kirk never met Q, so it's sort of unfair to judge Sisko the greatest captain.

He did slap Trelane who was (non-canonically) a baby Q.


Oh yeaaaah...well then, that makes Kirk kind of a baby Q puncher. And more of a dick. I guess I gotta give it to Sisko, then.
 
2012-09-15 11:15:36 PM

ThatBillmanGuy:
Though, despite Kirk's willingness to Kirk Fu everything, I doubt he'd have had to resort to punching Q.


He punched the shiat out of Finnegan so I think he would
 
2012-09-16 02:27:56 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: ThatBillmanGuy:
Though, despite Kirk's willingness to Kirk Fu everything, I doubt he'd have had to resort to punching Q.

He punched the shiat out of Finnegan so I think he would


Damn, I somehow missed the TOS episodes were Kirk went around punching everyone, and saw the episodes where he tricked or negotiated with everyone instead.

/hasnt seen EVERY episode...
 
2012-09-16 03:15:44 AM

that bosnian sniper: Mugato: Not really. You have to actually travel around and make contact with aliens and use diplomacy and shiat. You can't do that over a ham radio. And since even after all these years no one's been able to duplicate him, Data's the only real android with sentient AI (well he's dead but there's a spare). Although I guess they have sentient holograms now (The Doctor, not Tupac).

Yes, and that doesn't change or really affect my point. When and if unmanned probes find something interesting, you can send a ship with a manned crew. It's still cheaper, safer, more efficient and faster.


The problem with unmanned probes is they have a habit of turning into massive sentient beings and coming back to destroy the earth.
 
2012-09-17 01:06:21 PM
For some reason, I've always thought of DS9 as the Federation's version of detention. Nobody really WANTED to be sent there. The fact that it was the only installation with Ferengi supports this.
 
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