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(Badass Digest)   Here are the ten best moments in Star Trek history, a list that, for some reason, includes the 2009 Abrams bastardization and leaves out Deep Space Nine   (badassdigest.com) divider line 263
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2012-09-14 09:30:22 PM  

CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager


Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.
 
2012-09-14 09:30:32 PM  
Computer, delete this entire article.
 
2012-09-14 09:31:50 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: sno man: cman: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.

Its farking ON asshole

DS9 was the greatest Trek ever.

Voyager sucked, yes; and Enterprise was even worse. But, DS9, that was the saving grace of the franchise.

Enterprise was farked by the writer strike Berman and Braga.... It should have been awesome.

When Manny Coto and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens took over for the final season, they did the show people wanted to see from the beginning instead of the Space Nazis in Time! show that made people tune out after season 2.

/sorry, don't feel like farking with fans of Nu-Trek tonight. We just did that last week.


Never made it to the final season of Enterprise myself... they lost me early in season 2. Voyager lost me earlyish too. Clearly not a trekker, 'prolly not even a trekkie, but I'm a fan of the idea of Star Trek, and a number of TOS and TNG episodes, a few DS9's too. Not big on most of the movies, but mostly enjoyed Nu-Trek alt universe lens flary Abrams take.

/was actually a red shirt at a Trek thing in Toronto 20ish yeas ago... got to meet Scotty, *drink* huge fan...
//also own the official enterprise (1701, no letters) blueprints and a Klingon dictionary...
///because slashies come in threes
 
2012-09-14 09:32:03 PM  

fusillade762: A note up front: this is original crew only, so there are no Next Generation or Voyager or Deep Space Nine things here. I'm sure someone who watched those godforsaken shows

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH!!!

And your blog sucks.


ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Ronald D Moore had a hand as well.


Yeah, and some guy Ira Steven Bear or something something Wolfe. I don't remember! Argh.
 
2012-09-14 09:33:09 PM  
Ironically (I know i'm not using that word correctly) i'm watching season 2 of Enterprise right now. I've only ever watched TOS and TNG (which i never really liked)b efore and i think it's rather good. I am completely surprised i'm in the minority here.

TNG was just boring debate class to me. TOS was awesomeness wrapped in a childs wet dream.

I thought the Abrams movie was forced but i liked it and even have rewatched it if you count Rifttrax versions.
 
2012-09-14 09:34:06 PM  

secularsage: scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies into a dumbed-down franchise that fans disliked because it turned the characters into caricatures of themselves, had a ridiculous premise and made no farking sense! This is a travesty of the highest order!"

FTFY. You're welcome.


and William Shatnerisn't a characature of himself?

The blindbutt hurt is strong with you.
 
2012-09-14 09:34:47 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager

Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.


I just started another re-watch of DS9, halfway through season one at the moment. Even in its first season, DS9 was not half bad. It doesn't even come close to inducing the pain of TNG season one or TOS season three.
 
2012-09-14 09:35:04 PM  
Not a terrible list, but I'd include Spock's meld with the horta as one of the goofiest moments, along with the entirety of the episode "Spock's Brain" and watching Shatner shout "I AM KIROK!"

Now, I understand the hate for Voyager, but I have to say that "Year of Hell" is one of the best stories in the ST Universe. The are many others, but that one was raw and awful and terrific.

From the list, I'd put the battle from "Amok Time" at #1, just for the background music.

/dun dun DAH DAH DAH DAH DAH don da DAH!
 
2012-09-14 09:35:44 PM  

Eddy Gurge: [encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 275x183]


Shatner's toupee collection.
 
2012-09-14 09:35:56 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: CavalierEternal: Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager

Seeing how I am, at this very moment, watching the DS9 episode In the Cards, I gotta say you are a soulless minion of orthodoxy.


I'm on season 2 episode 17 "Canamar" of Enterprise at this very moment, looking at a freeze frame picture of Faux as i type this.
 
2012-09-14 09:37:02 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Funny, the only time they ever beamed a torpedo into another ship was once on Voyager. No one ever did it before or since. I never understood that.

You have to lower the shields in order to use the transporter. They usually try to avoid that.

Then again, they do seem to wire the shields directly into every console on the bridge and store their fireworks inside them.


Plus, wasn't Voyager the first ship in the Star Trek universe with site-to-site transport capability?

/NERDS!
 
2012-09-14 09:38:30 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.


Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....
 
2012-09-14 09:40:02 PM  
List fails without Locutus
 
2012-09-14 09:40:38 PM  

GAT_00: gopher321: CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great .



Two words: red matter.

/facepalm

Red matter is no less retarded than Heisenberg Compensators.


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2012-09-14 09:42:41 PM  
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2012-09-14 09:43:16 PM  

Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]


Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant
 
2012-09-14 09:45:02 PM  
I finally decided to rewatch DS9 after going through B5, BSG, and SGU again. Not the first seasons... I was smart enough to start with Season 3. My expectations weren't high, but I remember it as a fairly serialized, watchable show. So, after making it all the way to Defiant...

It really hasn't aged any better than TNG.

The only advantage DS9 offers compared to TNG is actual character development and progression. The dialog and stories are just as awful. Babylon 5's CGI ships and costumes didn't age well, but the plots (seasons 2-4 anyway) still feel rock solid to me. And I'm starting to believe that the worst episodes of BSG and SGU are better than the best episode of any Trek series (for my tastes, anyway).

As to the Abrams movie - it was for people who were Trek geeks as kids, but have matured enough to laugh about it now. It seems most people who hate the Abrams movie still adore TNG. Think about it.
 
2012-09-14 09:45:13 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....


I kind of see where you're coming from. I limed Vic Fontaine, but that whole Oceans Eleven episode was unnecessary in the middle of a FARKING WAR! Anyway, when I worked at the Experience, The guy who played Fontaine (damnit, im forgetting everyone's names today) wanted to have a gig where he'd play regularly in Quark's Bar and sing. But the stupid GM passed him up on that, as she did most things that would have added the whole "experience" part of the place that trekkies who came there would expect.
 
2012-09-14 09:45:35 PM  

Jaymi77: Walker: This was my favorite, although I might have just imagined it.
[img.photobucket.com image 398x505]

Fine, I'll be the one to point out what has been pointed out in every thread that picture has ever been posted.

Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.
Even small fighter ships in Star Wars have shields.

/end nerd rant


They don't use lasers in Star Wars either. They call them turbo lasers but they clearly aren't laser beams.
 
2012-09-14 09:46:14 PM  

Jaymi77: Those two balls on top of the bridge of the Star Destroyer are sheild generators.


Deflector sheilds are not sheilds. Regardless Enterprise would just negotiate until Vader force choked the crap out of Picard.
 
2012-09-14 09:46:20 PM  
DS9 was nothing more than a truck stop in space, yeah that sounds really appealing. (Same goes for Babylon 5.) I'd rather watch all the Tasha Yar and Wesley Crusher focused episodes.

/Denise and Wil are awesome people though
//DS9 is still better than Enterprise
///Hey, they really do come in threes
 
2012-09-14 09:48:22 PM  

Naxter: DS9 was nothing more than a truck stop in space


You know how I know you only watched the first couple seasons?
 
2012-09-14 09:49:07 PM  

Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise


What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?
 
2012-09-14 09:49:20 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....


This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 

Vic was OK in the Nog rehab episode

him getting killed in the mirror universe made me laugh, though
 
2012-09-14 09:49:56 PM  
I appreciated the Abrams movie because it brought some real tactical mobility to the Enterprise. My favorite part is when

SPOILER

The Enterprise popped in and started blasting the torpedoes heading for Spock.
 
2012-09-14 09:50:57 PM  
DS9 was lame. There. I said it.
 
2012-09-14 09:51:13 PM  

Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?


I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.
 
2012-09-14 09:51:46 PM  

Eddy Gurge: [encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 275x183]


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-14 09:52:39 PM  

clkeagle: As to the Abrams movie - it was for people who were Trek geeks as kids, but have matured enough to laugh about it now. It seems most people who hate the Abrams movie still adore TNG. Think about it.


I really like the recent movie AND I still like TNG, although I forgot how awful the first 2 seasons were. ( Tried rewatching some of it on Netflix, couldn't stomach it)
 
2012-09-14 09:52:57 PM  

ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.
 
2012-09-14 09:53:01 PM  

clkeagle: I finally decided to rewatch DS9 after going through B5, BSG, and SGU again.


Why did you skip the greatest Sci-Fi show of all time?

geek-news.mtv.com
 
2012-09-14 09:54:39 PM  

Mugato: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.


I personally put story above characters, so it's pretty good imho.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:21 PM  

sno man: Never made it to the final season of Enterprise myself


You should watch it. With a few exceptions (the first two episodes and the series finale, especially), it is almost TNG quality.
 
2012-09-14 09:56:29 PM  

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


dear god i find myself agreeing with you in regards to the movie

DS9 though was way better then voyager, not as good as Enterprise though
 
2012-09-14 09:59:43 PM  

Knarf: Star Trek is good drama, but poor sci-fi. All the different series are pretty well equally silly, but they make for good entertainment.


Yes to the Sci fi part, but much of all of the series were pretty bad.

Knarf: The only reason people try to act like the original star trek series has any special merit over the newest series and movies is just because of nostalgia. NTTAWTT

Thats not entirely correct. What Abrams understood was that the original characters in the series were charismatic. You liked Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Scotty, even though they couldn't act their way out of a paper bag. TNG had one charismatic character- Picard, and later Worf got Ok. The rest were just not much. This was the problem with the rest of the following series, very, very few of the cast had any appeal, and the amt of charisma went from neutral in to negative, ending up with the Backula series were all the characters were simply unappealing. It really didn't matter to anyone if they lived or died because no one liked them. You could really make a chart of it.

The 2009 Star trek was the best thing that happened to the series since Wrath of Khan. Appealing characters, visually impressive, and fun to watch. Not some dull, stilted, pseudo-intellectual BS with contrived moral situations.

If you ask me, Farscape was much more of a spiritual successor to the original Star Trek series than any of the actual later Star Trek series. In many ways it followed the same formula.
 
2012-09-14 09:59:58 PM  

Mugato: Naxter: DS9 was nothing more than a truck stop in space

You know how I know you only watched the first couple seasons?


Seasons?! You mean it took more than one?
 
2012-09-14 10:05:09 PM  

CavalierEternal: The 2009 reboot was great and Deep Space Nine was barely a step up from Voyager, Garza.


Welcome to Ceti Alpha Ignore, population you
 
2012-09-14 10:08:12 PM  

Magruda: Mugato: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.

I personally put story above characters, so it's pretty good imho.


I always found the acting and story kinda forced. It wasn't as bad as everyone made it out to be, but it was better than Voyager: Lost In Space!
 
2012-09-14 10:09:07 PM  

angrymacface: sno man: Never made it to the final season of Enterprise myself

You should watch it. With a few exceptions (the first two episodes and the series finale, especially), it is almost TNG quality.


It's on my list...
 
2012-09-14 10:09:07 PM  

NeoCortex42: ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.


Worse than the TNG Wargames episode?

where Westley saves the day

home-made warp drive, ftw
 
2012-09-14 10:09:27 PM  
So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf
 
2012-09-14 10:12:22 PM  

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


"Never tell the same lie twice."
 
2012-09-14 10:13:09 PM  

LegacyDL: So many good points in DS9 to pick out (and a few bad ones), but for now I'll simply pick one:

The Boy Who Cried Wolf


This might just be the single greatest episode of Trek since Balance of Terror

Also O'Brien and Bashir reference Monty Python
 
2012-09-14 10:15:02 PM  

Pete_T_Mann: The 2009 Star trek was the best thing that happened to the series since Wrath of Khan. Appealing characters, visually impressive, and fun to watch. Not some dull, stilted, pseudo-intellectual BS with contrived moral situations.



I have no problem with differences of opinion, but what made the characters appealing to you? I can't quite articulate it, but there was just something about them that put me off.
 
2012-09-14 10:15:16 PM  

Magruda: Mugato: Magruda: Naxter: //DS9 is still better than Enterprise

What the hell is wrong with Enterpise?

I didn't hate it as much as most people but I didn't like any of the characters.

I personally put story above characters, so it's pretty good imho.


Time to get annoyed with Enterprise!

I always wanted it to be good. (Theme song tries to kill that up front)

I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.

The temporal cold war was annoying, and honestly the whole series felt very much like it was creaking against the weight of tons and tons of continuity that wasn't going to happen until the future. And even then you get "well let's bring some of those future races in, hey let's deal with the borg, hey lets deal with the ferengi (I think that happened.)

Voyager........I honestly think, a different person as Captain and first officer would've made the show better. Harry Kim (before he got his marching orders to be less interesting) Tom Paris and The Doctor were all great. B'elanna, eh, but you know passable. Neelix was alright.....Kes was.....well she was cute, but honestly I feel that whole 9 year lifespan garbage more or less hamstrung the character. Seven......I think one of the great problems in the show was "Let's give 7 all the really good introspective stuff, but let's also put her in a catsuit so we can oversexualize the character so you don't pay attention to any of that." Chakotay.......useless. Janeway.....Meh.
 
2012-09-14 10:16:53 PM  

scottydoesntknow: "Waaaaah Abrams actually made Star Trek somewhat accessible to non-trekkies! This is a travesty of the highest order!"


Pretty much this. I don't like Star Trek and I enjoyed Abrams's movie.
 
2012-09-14 10:22:58 PM  

ZMugg: NeoCortex42: ZMugg: Forbidden Doughnut: ThatBillmanGuy: DS9 was Micheal Piller and... Damn, some other guys I forget right now. But Berman and Braga created it. They just ditched it for Voyager and that's when DS9 got good.

Well, mostly good, IMHO. I didn't care for the "Vic Fontaine" character in the last season....

The whole Dominion War arc was pretty cool, however.

/ and the Ferengi finally came into their own on that show, I always found the little greedy bastards amusing....

This^^

My favorite storyline involving the Ferengi, was when The ProphetsTM pulled a 'Ghost of Christmas Past/Present/Future' type attitude adjustment on the Grand Nagus, and managed to make things worse for the Ferengi. 


And yet somehow the Ferengi showed up on Voyager for an episode, and they were completely horrible.

Worse than the TNG Wargames episode?

where Westley saves the day

home-made warp drive, ftw


Somehow, yes. It was an interesting concept. They made the episode a sequel to the TNG episode where a pair of Ferengi get stranded on the other side of an unstable wormhole in the Delta Quadrant. It ended up being just another "Stupid greedy Ferengi" episode.
 
2012-09-14 10:23:27 PM  

SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.


In stead of enjoying the stories of the birth of the Federation when humanity was the underdog, you yearned for the time when everything is established and roles assigned (least it seems that way to me). Nothing wrong with that, i just feel that if there had been another Trek show on at the same time as Enterprise that was set in the TNG era then Enterprise might have fared much better in its reception.

As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.
 
2012-09-14 10:28:24 PM  

Magruda: As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.


T'Pol was just so obviously some suit saying, "Well everyone loved 7 of 9, so whip up another hot, stoic girl with big tits and put her in a catsuit". Except 7 was 100x more interesting and T'Pol's boobs were too fake.
 
2012-09-14 10:31:36 PM  

Magruda: SamFlagg: I always felt one of the main problems is Archer, Trip, Malcom, and Hoshi are interesting. Everyone else is not. T'Pol is supposed to be interesting but she soooooooooooooooooooo isn't. Phlox .....eh (Granted I feel the same way about Beverly Crusher....just sort of eh....I guess the ship has to have a doctor.) And Merryweather...........wow, could the guy be more useless and underdeveloped? I mean really.

In stead of enjoying the stories of the birth of the Federation when humanity was the underdog, you yearned for the time when everything is established and roles assigned (least it seems that way to me). Nothing wrong with that, i just feel that if there had been another Trek show on at the same time as Enterprise that was set in the TNG era then Enterprise might have fared much better in its reception.

As for T'Pol, her character is dry, Sahara dry. A purely logical being before the influence of humanity showed them the arogance of their ways was illogical. To that effect i think the character did very well in showing a transition.


Oh I didn't need things established, I mean I liked seeing the conflict between the Andorians and the Vulcans, I just kept getting annoyed when instead of birth of the federation we had the time cops running around.

I realize T'Pol is sahara dry, and I realize that is what it's going for. It's just cripplingly boring.

That being said, I think a good New Star Trek show would be Alternate Universe Enterprise-B. Except for whatever reason Kirk doesn't go on board in the alternate universe, they kill off Captain leave starbase without anything installed and make Sulu's Daughter the Captain. And then basically do alternate universe inbetween TOS and TNG era. And it's the alternate universe so we can discard all the continuity.
 
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