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2012-09-14 04:58:14 PM
Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.
 
2012-09-14 05:01:14 PM
Imagine a man where it all began
A scientist pacing the floor
In each nation -- always eager to explore
To build the best big stick
To turn the winning trick --
But this was something more...
 
2012-09-14 05:03:44 PM
The sad thing was it was a demonstration for the Soviets, who secretly knew all about it.
 
2012-09-14 05:05:55 PM
Duerig became the director of telemetry at Johns Hopkins University

"telemetry"? Is that a department? Maybe they mean for Hopkins + NASA.
 
2012-09-14 05:06:37 PM
i.imgur.com
Hi, I'm Bill Duerig. Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.
 
2012-09-14 05:07:53 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.


4/10

Might get a couple of bites.
 
2012-09-14 05:08:06 PM
A man with an A-bomb
Looked like my uncle Tom
He tried a new trick
And hit it with his prick
And now Nantucket is gone.

/got nuthin'
 
2012-09-14 05:08:49 PM
Goddammit, another white guy.
 
2012-09-14 05:09:38 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.


It was going to be invented anyway. Would you rather another country made it first?
 
2012-09-14 05:15:26 PM
We would adjust the beams for each tank so we'd get the most current for the U-235, but we were never really sure that we could have it in the best position.

He's talking about the preparative mass spectrometers used to enrich the uranium. These werer also called "Calutrons," after the University of California.

CSB I:
These things required large electromagnets. Because copper was needed for the war effort, Leslie Groves pulled all the silver from the US mint, had it drawn into wire, and used that for the electromagnets. When the project ended, it was all melted down and returned.

CSB II:
Because the physicists kept farking around with the settings, trying to squeeze out the last bit of efficiency, Groves replaced them with housewives from nearby Oak Ridge, because they could be relied on to simply run the tanks. Link

/I think I might have some geek in me.
 
2012-09-14 05:19:03 PM
"The Berkeley part was to develop the equipment to separate Uranium-235 from Uranium-238"

So this guy made some really long lead capillary tubes with solenoid valves at one end. Big whoop.
 
2012-09-14 05:20:02 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.


Is it really?

It seems to me that wars are less frequent since the invention of the atom bombs, they are still way too frequent but it was a lot worst before 1945.
 
2012-09-14 05:22:22 PM

Special Agent: Imagine a man where it all began
...


Why just imagine? 2012 Fall open house is October 6. Three weeks to plan a roadtrip is no big rush.
 
2012-09-14 05:25:41 PM
"That helped" ???

Subby needs to read this: Link
 
2012-09-14 05:27:29 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.


Stock response to stock outrage:

It was a different time. There could have been no public outcry then because the public knew nothing of it. Besides, the US would have fire bombed the ever-loving shiat out of them whether it was nuclear fire or not.

img.wikinut.com
Did not exist in 1945.

www.lchs.museum
Did exist in 1945
 
2012-09-14 05:28:00 PM
CSB3:
Captured German scientists were listening to the radio reports of the Hirosima bomb (while the British were listening to them) and had no idea of the amount of fissionable material that was required. They guessed a ton.

I wonder why that was. (
 
2012-09-14 05:29:02 PM
We thought, before we dropped the bomb, that we should tell the Japanese, 'We want you to come out and watch this island disappear tomorrow. And if you don't give up, that's what we're going to do to you.

That's hardcore.
 
2012-09-14 05:30:21 PM
What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.

/thank you, Mr. Truman
 
2012-09-14 05:33:53 PM

talkertopc: logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.

Is it really?

It seems to me that wars are less frequent since the invention of the atom bombs, they are still way too frequent but it was a lot worst before 1945.


No more global wars. More regional conflicts that powers get to flex their muscles. This is why you have 290,000 Americans killed in action between 1941-1945 and 50,000 Americans killed in action between 1955-1975 without the bomb both Vietnam and Korea would have turned into much larger conflicts.
 
2012-09-14 05:34:47 PM
Looks pretty good for being 90.
As far as his comment about demonstrating the awesomeness of the bomb to the Japanese, I don't think it would've mattered as they didn't surrender after the first bomb was dropped.
 
2012-09-14 05:36:05 PM

mark12A: What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.

/thank you, Mr. Truman


You don't have much faith in your dad's fighting ability.
 
2012-09-14 05:36:42 PM
CSB3:
Captured German scientists were listening to the radio reports of the Hirosima bomb (while the British were listening to them) and had no idea of the amount of fissionable material that was required. They guessed a ton.

I wonder why that was. (


There was some speculation that Heisenburg purposely midled the team to keep the Nazi's from getting such a weapon.

/Heisenburg made them...uncertain...
 
2012-09-14 05:37:08 PM

Mugato: mark12A: What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.

/thank you, Mr. Truman

You don't have much faith in your dad's fighting ability.


You don't have much faith in the stubbornness of imperial Japan.
 
2012-09-14 05:37:47 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.


It's all in how it's used.
The atom could have given us cheap energy, medical advancements, fast space travel, and a speedy way to terraform large areas among other big benefits.

Instead we chose war.
That's just humanity for ya.
 
2012-09-14 05:43:50 PM
You don't have much faith in your dad's fighting ability.

My daddy was one of them borderline suicidal "Combat Engineers" that rode at the front fixing bridges, removing mines and whatnot to keep the main colunm rolling. Got blown off a tank in the Battle of the Bulge when the tank he was riding on hit a mine. Got a few other dings as well during various other engagements. And all those guys would have been shipped over to Asia after April to support the Honshu invasion.

I'm very happy it ended quickly. He still came home messed up with PTSD...
 
2012-09-14 05:45:57 PM

way south: logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.

It's all in how it's used.
The atom could have given us cheap energy, medical advancements, fast space travel, and a speedy way to terraform large areas among other big benefits.

Instead we chose war.
That's just humanity for ya.


Ever heard of radiation oncology?
 
2012-09-14 06:02:22 PM

Molavian: Goddammit, another white guy.


Were you expecting a Pygmy or something?

/oh yeah, THATS RACIST!!
 
2012-09-14 06:14:02 PM

bizzwire: We would adjust the beams for each tank so we'd get the most current for the U-235, but we were never really sure that we could have it in the best position.

He's talking about the preparative mass spectrometers used to enrich the uranium. These werer also called "Calutrons," after the University of California.

CSB I:
These things required large electromagnets. Because copper was needed for the war effort, Leslie Groves pulled all the silver from the US mint, had it drawn into wire, and used that for the electromagnets. When the project ended, it was all melted down and returned.

CSB II:
Because the physicists kept farking around with the settings, trying to squeeze out the last bit of efficiency, Groves replaced them with housewives from nearby Oak Ridge, because they could be relied on to simply run the tanks. Link

/I think I might have some geek in me.


if you want some geek in you, i'm told Craigslist is used by some to make 'friends'.
 
2012-09-14 06:16:11 PM
This guy worked with both Oppenheimer and Teller. Hero tag approved.
 
2012-09-14 06:19:54 PM

mark12A: CSB3:
Captured German scientists were listening to the radio reports of the Hirosima bomb (while the British were listening to them) and had no idea of the amount of fissionable material that was required. They guessed a ton.

I wonder why that was. (

There was some speculation that Heisenburg purposely midled the team to keep the Nazi's from getting such a weapon.

/Heisenburg made them...uncertain...


Some transcripts:

Link
 
2012-09-14 06:23:27 PM
"They put me under Dr. Serge Korff, who, at the time, was probably the leading cosmic ray scientist in the world. He was a wonderful man."

"...J. Robert Oppenheimer's brother,Frank, worked with me personally for about six weeks, and he was one of the most wonderful men I'd ever met."


Sounds gay. 

/Enola Gay
 
2012-09-14 06:36:41 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.


dynamic.images.indigo.ca2.bp.blogspot.com 

Some might disagree with your assessment.

/both are fantastic, best read together
 
2012-09-14 06:38:04 PM
Families and relatives and survivors are partying in Hiroshima.
 
2012-09-14 06:40:51 PM

logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.




The Germans and Soviets were both working on it during the war. Read up on your history next time before you post...
 
2012-09-14 06:43:54 PM
*puffs up chest*

*grabs branch*

*bangs ground with it fiercely, hooting loudly*

*observe*

-or-

...

*grabs branch*

*bangs fellow monkey with branch until atoms are smashed*

*all monkeys hoot forever*
 
2012-09-14 06:50:11 PM

fragMasterFlash: So this guy made some really long lead capillary tubes with solenoid valves at one end. Big whoop.


IIRC, it's a ceramic filter that separates the the UF6's. Something about diffusion rate differences.
 
2012-09-14 06:55:22 PM

super_grass: Mugato: mark12A: What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.

/thank you, Mr. Truman

You don't have much faith in your dad's fighting ability.

You don't have much faith in the stubbornness of imperial Japan.



Operation Downfall. Due to the topography of Japan there was only one easy way in. We knew it, and the Japanese knew it. The Emperor ordered every last man, woman, and child to take up whatever they could find as a weapon and be prepared for an assault.

They expected a million U.S. servicemen casualties in the first year, and around 9 to 10 million Japanese casualties. A week before the bombs were dropped we flew over Japan and dropped the LeMay bombing leaflet which said...

TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.

You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

Source: Harry S. Truman Library, Miscellaneous historical document file, no. 258.



So as terrible as it was they did have advance warning of the bombing. Here's what the leaflet looked like...

www.sbcag.com

www.ibiblio.org
 
2012-09-14 06:58:28 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: super_grass: Mugato: mark12A: What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.

/thank you, Mr. Truman

You don't have much faith in your dad's fighting ability.

You don't have much faith in the stubbornness of imperial Japan.


Operation Downfall. Due to the topography of Japan there was only one easy way in. We knew it, and the Japanese knew it. The Emperor ordered every last man, woman, and child to take up whatever they could find as a weapon and be prepared for an assault.

They expected a million U.S. servicemen casualties in the first year, and around 9 to 10 million Japanese casualties. A week before the bombs were dropped we flew over Japan and dropped the LeMay bombing leaflet which said...

TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.

You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end ...


And they lived in a society ruled by an emperor with god-like authority. He decided for his people that leaflet, no?
 
2012-09-14 07:00:10 PM

mark12A: What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.


This
My dad was training at Tuskegee and elsewhere in B-25s for the potential invasion.
 
2012-09-14 07:01:58 PM

YouPeopleAreCrazy: mark12A: What a nice man. Had he and his associates not succeeded, my dad and many others would have had to invade Japan the old fashioned way, and gotten killed, and I would have never existed.

This
My dad was training at Tuskegee and elsewhere in B-25s for the potential invasion.


Agreed.

History tells it so.

Many lives were "saved."

;)
 
2012-09-14 07:10:09 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: They expected a million U.S. servicemen casualties in the first year, and around 9 to 10 million Japanese casualties. A week before the bombs were dropped we flew over Japan and dropped the LeMay bombing leaflet which said...

TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.


You still sure about that "advance warning business"? By the way, the image you posted seems to be one warning of fire bombing raids and dropped much earlier.
 
2012-09-14 07:13:36 PM

fragMasterFlash: "The Berkeley part was to develop the equipment to separate Uranium-235 from Uranium-238"

So this guy made some really long lead capillary tubes with solenoid valves at one end. Big whoop.


Developing means that they didn't know what would and wouldn't work. You know now what you know because of people like him.

Tsar_Bomba1: logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.

The Germans and Soviets were both working on it during the war. Read up on your history next time before you post...


Japan was too although their much smaller effort was destroyed during the war by accident (as in it wasn't a target but instead was blown up in a regular bombing raid on Tokyo).
 
2012-09-14 07:31:40 PM
Hell, yeah, you better get off his lawn.
 
2012-09-14 08:45:36 PM
Suure you helped build the atom bomb.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-14 09:33:25 PM
I can't believe there are still idiots that 2nd guess making and using the a-bomb. Although an example island assault might have been slightly more humane, but we had only so much material, would have been a waste. They kept fighting after many died in first use, almost wasted. It took a second blow.

Pull your heads out.
 
2012-09-14 10:02:10 PM
But we all know who was really responsible.

www.ecorazzi.com
 
2012-09-14 10:20:26 PM

fragMasterFlash: "The Berkeley part was to develop the equipment to separate Uranium-235 from Uranium-238"

So this guy made some really long lead capillary tubes with solenoid valves at one end. Big whoop.


And what have you done?
 
2012-09-14 10:35:40 PM

talkertopc: logistic: Thanks for being partially responsible for one of the worst inventions in the history of everything, dick.

Is it really?

It seems to me that wars are less frequent since the invention of the atom bombs, they are still way too frequent but it was a lot worst before 1945.


No no no. The difference is that if you look at history up to 1945 you can hardly find a decade when the super powers of the world (the most powerful countries) did not rage a war against each other. The invention of the atomic bomb changed everything. You are not starting a war with a country that has the ability to destroy you at will even if you do the first strike. This is the era of the Cold War, the most peaceful period of the human history ever. And guess what made it possible.

If you look at it this way, the atomic bomb is the best invention the mankind has ever made.
 
2012-09-15 12:21:51 AM

orbister: You still sure about that "advance warning business"? By the way, the image you posted seems to be one warning of fire bombing raids and dropped much earlier.


Yeah, the English text is clearly from two separate leaflets dropped after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, respectively. The Lemay leaflet was different.

Indubitably: And they lived in a society ruled by an emperor with god-like authority. He decided for his people that leaflet, no?


Eh, sortof. It was the cabinet that had to give a unanimous vote of surrender, and they only did so after the emperor took the unusual step of pushing them to do so. Normally the Emperor didn't get involved in mere politics.
 
2012-09-15 12:45:42 AM

Bacontastesgood: orbister: You still sure about that "advance warning business"? By the way, the image you posted seems to be one warning of fire bombing raids and dropped much earlier.

Yeah, the English text is clearly from two separate leaflets dropped after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, respectively. The Lemay leaflet was different.

Indubitably: And they lived in a society ruled by an emperor with god-like authority. He decided for his people that leaflet, no?

Eh, sortof. It was the cabinet that had to give a unanimous vote of surrender, and they only did so after the emperor took the unusual step of pushing them to do so. Normally the Emperor didn't get involved in mere politics.


And you think he wasn't involved here, you wonk?

Please.

Pffft.

;)
 
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