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(Bloomberg)   Tampa Bay Rays, at one third the salary of the Yankees, prove that moneyball still works as they fight to reach the AL playoffs. Suck it, pinstripes   (bloomberg.com) divider line 33
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2012-09-14 12:31:05 PM
The Rays are not moneyball by any means. They just play really smart baseball with a brilliant manager and scouting system.
/Yankee fan
//Not TOO worried yet
 
2012-09-14 12:33:45 PM

legendary: The Rays are not moneyball by any means. They just play really smart baseball with a brilliant manager and scouting system.
/Yankee fan
//Not TOO worried yet


This. They know how to scout and develop players better than most teams. Imagine what they could do with a real payroll.
 
2012-09-14 12:34:07 PM
No one said it didn't, most teams are using the analytics presented in Moneyball now. The Rays success has more to do with there excellent scouting and probably a higher "hit" percentage on their draft picks during all the years they sucked.
 
2012-09-14 12:38:07 PM
What bridge-fearing, insecure Rays fan submitted this? They've been a perennial contender since the exorcism five years ago.
..or maybe subby is jealous that the O's have been getting all the greenlights lately?
 
2012-09-14 12:42:14 PM
Sucking so hard you draft 1st overall four times in a decade certainly helps, too, even if one of them becomes a drug & alcohol trainwreck.
 
2012-09-14 12:50:52 PM
Oh good, another thread where people have no idea what "moneyball" means.
 
2012-09-14 12:55:02 PM
Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.
 
2012-09-14 01:02:34 PM

idesofmarch: Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.


Well, in fairness, it WAS pretty damn hilarious.
 
2012-09-14 01:08:53 PM

The Bestest: idesofmarch: Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.

Well, in fairness, it WAS pretty damn hilarious.


It was and last seasons wild card race was encapsulated perfectly in this. Link
 
2012-09-14 01:21:46 PM

DeWayne Mann: Oh good, another thread where people have no idea what "moneyball" means.


Crap, someone beat me to it.
 
2012-09-14 01:34:06 PM

The Bestest: idesofmarch: Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.

Well, in fairness, it WAS pretty damn hilarious.


Oh, was it! More than eleven months later I'm still chuckling.
 
2012-09-14 01:36:04 PM

legendary: The Rays are not moneyball by any means. They just play really smart baseball with a brilliant manager and scouting system.


This. As an O's fan I was really impressed/pissed at Madden for getting out of a bases loaded, no outs jam in the 13th.
 
2012-09-14 01:40:12 PM

idesofmarch: The Bestest: idesofmarch: Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.

Well, in fairness, it WAS pretty damn hilarious.

Oh, was it! More than eleven months later I'm still chuckling.


Still get a kick out of it. Still!
 
2012-09-14 01:44:56 PM

Droog8912: Sucking so hard you draft 1st overall four times in a decade certainly helps, too, even if one of them becomes a drug & alcohol trainwreck.


No, you see, since Hamilton is white, it's not a trainwreck, but an inspirational and uplifting story.
 
2012-09-14 01:48:58 PM

balki1867: legendary: The Rays are not moneyball by any means. They just play really smart baseball with a brilliant manager and scouting system.

This. As an O's fan I was really impressed/pissed at Madden for getting out of a bases loaded, no outs jam in the 13th.


Yeah, but using 7 pitchers for 3 innings, and having your pitcher have to bat twice was not good managing. 

Not saying the O's would have won, but losing your DH when your team is offensively challenged was not a good move.
 
2012-09-14 01:56:58 PM
The mother farking Oakland Athletics.
 
2012-09-14 01:57:49 PM

Broktun: Not saying the O's would have won, but losing your DH when your team is offensively challenged was not a good move.


Watching Archer try to bunt in his second at-bat was painful.
 
2012-09-14 02:12:06 PM

The Bestest: Watching Archer try to bunt in his second at-bat was painful.


Would you say that it left his team in the...Danger Zone?
 
2012-09-14 02:40:18 PM

DeWayne Mann: Oh good, another thread where people have no idea what "moneyball" means.


It is just a vanity book written by Billie Bean to talk about how much he hates fun things in baseball, like bunting. It is proven wrong by the fact that Dusty Baker has turned the reds into a playoff team without any base cloggers.
 
2012-09-14 02:41:26 PM

Nefarious: The Bestest: idesofmarch: Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.

Well, in fairness, it WAS pretty damn hilarious.

It was and last seasons wild card race was encapsulated perfectly in this. Link


I just giggled like a maniacal school girl while watching that, thanks :P
 
2012-09-14 03:42:24 PM

You're the jerk... jerk: fun things in baseball, like bunting


You can argue that it occasionally is the smart play but bunting is almost never "fun"
 
2012-09-14 04:16:47 PM

The Bestest: What bridge-fearing, insecure Rays fan submitted this? They've been a perennial contender since the exorcism five years ago.


Damn. Just realizing it's been five seasons of stupid sunbeam logo baseball, hasn't it?

\love the irony that the Bay has teams with nicknames pointing out how sunny and stormy it is there
\\someone HAS to be wrong
 
2012-09-14 04:25:58 PM

idesofmarch: Subby seems to forget that the Rays only made the playoffs last year because Scott Proctor thought it would be funny.


Well, that and Joe Torre killed his arm in NY and LA
 
2012-09-14 04:31:09 PM
Rays are "moneyballing it in that they found a market inefficiency to help them make decisions on a shoe-string budget. They are not "moneyball" in that they don't use OBP as their market inefficiency. Rays use advanced defensive metric, because defense is undervalued. Their owners also believe in arbitage when making trades. They buy low and sell high on players depending on what their payroll cost is comparable to a different player. They also believe in playing hardball with players in the minors when it comes to contracts and bringing them up in the farm system. They essentially ask minor leaguers: Do you wanna wait a season or 2 to see if you are great, or get paid what we're offering now and going into the bigs, now? Finally, Joe Madden eschews traditional baseball wisdom, which is Billy Beane's whole point, too. Make smart decisions, not decisions to save you from embarrassment.

I recommend reading "The Extra 2%" if you want to read about the Ray's version of "Moneyball"
 
2012-09-14 04:52:35 PM

hbk72777: Well, that and Joe Torre killed his arm in NY and LA


yanno, I wondered what ever happened to ol' Scotty P after the end of the season last year. Turns out he's the closer for the Doosan Bears in Korea.
 
2012-09-14 07:24:09 PM

The Bestest: hbk72777: Well, that and Joe Torre killed his arm in NY and LA

yanno, I wondered what ever happened to ol' Scotty P after the end of the season last year. Turns out he's the closer for the Doosan Bears in Korea.


Scott Proctor has eternally sucked, and is the only Yankee pitcher besides Kyle Farnsworthless to always raise my blood pressure and stabby feelings every single farking time I saw his face. I would actually enjoy a proctological exam with no lube more than watching him pitch for the Yankees.

I rate Proctor 9.5 Kyle Farnsworths, on a 10 point scale.
 
2012-09-14 08:32:41 PM
The most fun I've ever had was being in NYC wearing an Evan Longoria shirt trolling Yankee fans the day after Longo's walkoff..
 
2012-09-14 08:59:11 PM
Jeter just passed Willie Mays on the all time hit list
 
2012-09-14 09:17:38 PM

The Bestest: Jeter just passed Willie Mays on the all time hit list


Jake Taylor will be relieved.
 
2012-09-14 10:23:38 PM
..and THERE's the game killing error by Eduardo Nunez
farking dammit
 
2012-09-14 10:32:43 PM
..and the Yankees are now 0-54 when trailing after 8
 
2012-09-15 08:17:53 AM

The Bestest: ..and THERE's the game killing error by Eduardo Nunez
farking dammit


It'd be nice if Sabathia could come up with that big start that this team SORELY needs
 
2012-09-15 09:59:13 AM

Nefarious: You're the jerk... jerk: fun things in baseball, like bunting

You can argue that it occasionally is the smart play but bunting is almost never "fun"


Aside from the Reds being in first place, literally nothing I wrote was correct. I hope you noticed that.
 
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