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(Reuters)   Germany, a country with stricter anti-hate speech laws than America, has its embassy stormed in Khartoum over American-produced video perceived to be hate speech. Protesters, you're doing it wrong   (reuters.com) divider line 119
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2012-09-14 12:32:23 PM
10 votes:
Uh, they were doing it wrong when they stormed the American embassy, too.
2012-09-14 12:32:11 PM
10 votes:
At this point one feels that the 'protesters' are just looking for an excuse.
2012-09-14 01:00:48 PM
6 votes:
FTFA:
Two Islamist preachers in Egypt told worshippers that those who made the movie deserved to die under sharia (Islamic law)

Okay, worshippers of Islam, here's the deal: AMERICANS DO NOT OPERATE UNDER ISLAMIC LAW. We operate under another set of laws, commonly framed within a little document we call The Constitution. We don't operate under your laws in our country. And you may note that when your people come to OUR country, we acknowledge your right to dress according to your traditions, eat according to your traditions, and worship according to your traditions--even though you're in a country that doesn't share those traditions.

While I do not agree with the making of the movie, I support the rights of those who made it. It was made in America, and the only reason you folks know anything about it is because of the Internet, which was also invented in America. And you're watching it on computers, which are an American invention as well.

So take your sorry-ass protests and shove them up your hairy asses. We'll gladly take our Embassies, our aid, human rights groups and political persuasions out of your backwater countries.

P.S. And don't any of you have JOBS? Sheeesh.
2012-09-14 12:39:10 PM
5 votes:
It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."
2012-09-14 12:34:57 PM
5 votes:
I think we've long moved past the term "protestors" with this story
2012-09-14 01:09:13 PM
4 votes:

mekki: Come on, you cowards. Hit the Russian embassy. I want to see what happens when you hit a group that will hit back with no moral qualms about trying to be the "nice guy."

/or maybe the Russians are behind this...
//who benefits the most from these riots, anyway?


Hardline fundamentalists. It is always the fundamentalists.

Whipping people into a frenzy does two things:

1. Reinforces the fundamentalist ideology, allowing the leaders to further exploit the populace.

2. Destabilizes the sitting (more moderate) government by giving it a black eye and forcing it to clean up this mess.


But all things considered, you have to view it also from a third world perspective: These people are in their own echo chambers and are being told this movie aired NATIONWIDE in AMERICA for SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH. This incredibly offensive lie is spreading like wildfire, probably because people want it to be true.

And fact checking in the middle of Sudan or Libya probably isn't effortless.


This could be a:
A. coordinated false flag movie made to destabilize governments and further terrorism
B. opportunistic grab by fundamentalist groups to further terrorism
C. Only riots set off by the rumors about the movie (not the movie itself, the way they see how we made and consumed the movie shows our implicit approval, a lie, but a masterful one)

I'm thinking a mixture of B & C. THere's no shortage of idiots who blame the US government for all their problems (hell there are multitudes here. Fundamentalists must have thought they struck gold when they saw this movie. Fanning the flames to further destabilze US - ANYONE relations is a net win for any rebel/terrorist/fundamentalist group.

The movie could well have been made by a christian group with the intent to fan the flames themselves, or even a muslim group, but you have to admit that the movie seems to be made to insult muslims. (or pander to islamo-hatered)
2012-09-14 12:50:48 PM
4 votes:

Muta: Kuroshin: There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."

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While you were choking, you misspelled "Iran"

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2012-09-14 12:44:21 PM
4 votes:
American mentality: free speech

Middle East mentality: say something I disagree with and I will kill anyone from your country or even allies of your country and then burn down my own city. That will learn you.

Close our embassies and don't give one more penny to these countries that hate us and want to kill us. We gave billions to Pakistan while they hid Bin laden for a decade. And if you think Pakistan didn't know he was there I have a bridge to sell you.
2012-09-14 12:36:50 PM
4 votes:
They sure do idolize the guy they aren't allowed to depict because they might fall into idolatry.
2012-09-14 12:36:05 PM
4 votes:
It's a convenient excuse. Something organized is going on, and any pretext will do.

Somebody is using the thin skins of muslim fundamentalists to accomplish something.
2012-09-14 12:32:33 PM
4 votes:
Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.
2012-09-14 04:57:30 PM
3 votes:
Have any of y'all watched the stupid video in question? I have and I can see why the Muslims are rioting - not because it's insulting to their religion, but because it's 14 minutes of their lives they will NEVER get back.
2012-09-14 02:26:37 PM
3 votes:
If anyone's surprised, I'd like to remind you that America has spent the past fifty years propping up a country with the manners of Hulk on steroid smoothies and spent the past twenty years in two wars that caused thousands of civilian casualties, major human rights violations, stomped all over the idea of the Arab League's rights to deal with the ME their own way, left two countries in shambles, and opened up the idea that America can attack anyone, anywhere, without any consequences.

Yeah. I am Jack's complete and utter lack of shock right about now.
2012-09-14 02:01:18 PM
3 votes:
I'm so glad to see so many of you advocating the murder of innocents as a way to get vengeance for these mobs. It's almost as if you think we should judge an entire region based on the actions of a few.
Almost like you think just like the mob.
2012-09-14 12:54:33 PM
3 votes:

BMulligan: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.

The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.


So it's ok for you to wish death on someone??
2012-09-14 12:46:42 PM
3 votes:
America has no hate speech laws because unlike Germany we ban thoughtcrimes.
2012-09-14 12:43:16 PM
3 votes:
I'm usually the most libby lib that ever libbed but I'm starting to wonder why we bother to take these people seriously. If they can't stand having a movie even exist that makes fun of them without storming embassies and killing people well...fark em. Respect is earned.
2012-09-14 12:41:22 PM
3 votes:
Can we please stop giving these animals money now?
2012-09-14 12:40:27 PM
3 votes:

oldfarthenry: Well, this is surprising. Angry mobs are usually rational & intelligent.
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LET'S BURN ALL THE THROW PILLOWS AT THE POTTERY BARN!!


I have no doubt dead Americans are always a bonus, but half of this seems like the local Islamists wanting a chance to whip a mob and challenge local security forces.
2012-09-14 12:40:22 PM
3 votes:
We totally need to just use fake embassies. Big, flashy place with fences and flags and nobody inside and not a damn thing flammable.

We'll just rent out a commercial space a few blocks away for actual operations, and keep it on the down-low.
2012-09-14 12:38:52 PM
3 votes:

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.


The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.
2012-09-14 06:29:40 PM
2 votes:
I'm as liberal as the next guy, but I don't have any respect for anyone who riots over "hurt religious feelings."

"Hurt feelings"? What are we, ten-you-olds? If someone does something insulting or disrespectful, put on your big boy pants and deal. Be a grown-up. Try to educate the offender as to why he is wrong. Or ignore him. But don't throw a violent tantrum like a small child because your feelings got hurt.
2012-09-14 02:34:19 PM
2 votes:

PsiChick: If anyone's surprised, I'd like to remind you that America has spent the past fifty years propping up a country with the manners of Hulk on steroid smoothies and spent the past twenty years in two wars that caused thousands of civilian casualties, major human rights violations, stomped all over the idea of the Arab League's rights to deal with the ME their own way, left two countries in shambles, and opened up the idea that America can attack anyone, anywhere, without any consequences.

Yeah. I am Jack's complete and utter lack of shock right about now.


Wow, a libtard making about justifications and excuses for violance against America.

Yeah. I am Jack's complete and utter lack of shock right about now.

Hey, you missed the fact that America was wearing a really tight skirt, and was just BEGGING for it.
2012-09-14 02:23:50 PM
2 votes:

a21ozcoldcup: It was a popular Sheik or Cleric that issued the statement over radio.. he said to storm the Germany Embassy


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If these "Gods" are sooo cool and sooo powerful, why the fark don't they defend their own reputations?


/Religious fanatics are farktards
//And should be pitied
///Posthumously
2012-09-14 02:09:25 PM
2 votes:

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.




Yes, lets start a war with every one of these countries that is protesting our embassies:

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You must be a quantum physicist and Yale graduate of the highest order.
2012-09-14 01:58:43 PM
2 votes:

Kuroshin: It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."



static.guim.co.uk

I think you meant to say "Romney Campaign".


This is the GOP's October Surprise.

And how many Americans will be murdered as a result? We'll have to wait and see.
2012-09-14 01:53:03 PM
2 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: They sure do idolize the guy they aren't allowed to depict because they might fall into idolatry.



I suspect that the irony would be lost on them, and you'd be greeted with a dead-eyed stare. Also, death.
2012-09-14 01:47:59 PM
2 votes:
These aren't protests, these are mobs of violent theocrats.
2012-09-14 01:45:56 PM
2 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: You gotta give it to Al Qaeda, they've been looking for a way to hit us hard and then this video came along. They popped smoke, hit us hard and got an Ambassador and then got us to get pissed at all Muslims. Brilliant.


Thank FSM we have an actual grownup in the White House. I shudder to think of what our response might be otherwise.
2012-09-14 01:33:40 PM
2 votes:
This is about anti-western bigotry. They don't give a shiat about who released it. All they care about is that someone from the west released it.
2012-09-14 01:17:05 PM
2 votes:

12349876: styckx: 12349876: styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?

Because an Egyptian talk show host discussed it on September 8.

And we all know what Glenn Beck did to a girl in 1990.. Why aren't we burning down Foxnews Embassies?

I was only answering the "why did it spark outrage" part. An obsure, barely seen Youtube video gets shown on Egyptian TV by a radical Islamist talk show host and that's why it's an "outrage" and other videos still in intertube obscurity are not.


The talk show and the rumors that surrounded this movie state that the United States authorized this movie and showed it to all Americans, nationwide, on American TV (implicitly understood to be state-television)

Of course nothing of the sort like that happened. it is absurd to us. But not to people living in third world countries with only secondhand or thirdhand internet access. Not to people living in an echo-chamber where the US Govt. is the big bad that is cause of their poverty.


The people that are protesting are obviously a minority of the population. nothing like the scale you have seen in the Egyptian Arab spring protests. These are the people that agree with the lies the fundamentalists put out and they're being played by them. The fury they're showing is not from this one incident. It is from a perceived lifetime of slights, insults, and damage from the US.
2012-09-14 01:08:09 PM
2 votes:

TrixieDelite: FTFA:
Two Islamist preachers in Egypt told worshippers that those who made the movie deserved to die under sharia (Islamic law)

Okay, worshippers of Islam, here's the deal: AMERICANS DO NOT OPERATE UNDER ISLAMIC LAW.

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2012-09-14 01:00:41 PM
2 votes:

rebelpride644: BMulligan: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.

The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.

So it's ok for you to wish death on someone??


Uh, he didn't wish death on anyone. If you can't tell the difference between those two statements you quoted then maybe you should just sit your bad self down before you make yourself look stupid again.
2012-09-14 12:52:58 PM
2 votes:

Artemus_Hackwell: That dirty little turd from CA that created it; who did so knowing the possible result...has he come forth with a motive? Financial sources?


The story at the moment is that the creator hates both Islam and the United States, and is part of a domestic hate group that wants to overthrow America and rebuild in its place a Christian theocracy to stand against the oncoming war against Islam. So he makes a video to inflame the Middle East into violence, who will them turn it against American interests abroad, weakening the American government for the eventual coup by he and his Christian soldiers. As for the financing, I haven't heard much about it.
2012-09-14 12:48:01 PM
2 votes:

Kuroshin: It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."


Agreed. I think they might also be doing it to make Obama look bad because he's made a point to actually target the terrorists. They want Republicans back in place who will then ignore Al Qaeda and instead invade somewhere else. They want people in power who actually resemble anti-American propaganda. They want another 8 years of George W. Bush. At least, Bin Ladin did.

Or it could be a way to get people riled up and willing to listen to the more radical elements. They might be afraid that more and more people are rejecting the radical way, and this is a way to try to bring them back by whipping up an imagined or overblown slight. (It worked for the Tea Party in 2009, with the health care town halls) So this could also be a way of getting people on board. It also proves that what Obama is doing over there is working.

And it could be both, who knows. But the fact that it started on September 11th is no coincidence. This is a planned series of events, and it shows just how desperate they are, whoever is behind it.
2012-09-14 12:47:56 PM
2 votes:
I viewed the trailer and didn't see any hate speech. It was just a poorly made satire. If asshats want to start violence over a movie, then maybe this producer guy is a hero. There needs to be more and more of these movies. If we avoid this problem using BS like hate speech law, it will only get much worse over time.

Eastern Europe's strong hate speech laws are the biggest reason that huge numbers of Nazis still exist. Had those ideas been discussed freely, they would probably already have been dismissed as obsolete and counterproductive. Outlawing them gives them great credibility.
2012-09-14 12:40:30 PM
2 votes:
But don't ever call it violent. This is a worldwide random embassy storming OF PEACE!
2012-09-14 12:35:45 PM
2 votes:

Nurglitch: At this point one feels that the 'protesters' are just looking for an excuse.


"This point" being the time period between 1,000BC and 2012AD.
2012-09-14 12:35:08 PM
2 votes:
These protests may have been triggered by the movie, but I think we can safely conclude they are not about the movie.
2012-09-14 12:33:43 PM
2 votes:
Who cares? These islamists have a riot every three days over any real or perceived slight to their inane mumbo-jumbo. It's not even news any more.
2012-09-15 01:41:28 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Purdue_Pete: theknuckler_33: halfof33: Blue_Blazer: The statements with the "but" clause signify that the speaker is able to understand causality.

FACE PALM. Understand casuality? Are you serious? The second examples falsely and fallaciously ascribe causes that blame the victim.

Unbelievable.

/the rape hypotheical is the classic example of the fallacious arguments you people are making.

It's pretty silly to suggest the history of US involvement in the middle east is akin to wearing a skirt and too much makeup.

It's pretty silly to suggest the Middle East would be just fine if the USA didn't exist or was never "involved".

A) I didn't say that. and B) The middle east would be far better if the west never got involved in the first place. Read some history.


One of the downsides of being located at a global crossroads is that everyone gets involved anyway.
2012-09-15 09:37:17 AM
1 votes:
Protesting video about their violent history and ways by being violent. Nice job.
2012-09-14 11:29:34 PM
1 votes:

Purdue_Pete: Blue_Blazer: Purdue_Pete: theknuckler_33: halfof33: Blue_Blazer: The statements with the "but" clause signify that the speaker is able to understand causality.

FACE PALM. Understand casuality? Are you serious? The second examples falsely and fallaciously ascribe causes that blame the victim.

Unbelievable.

/the rape hypotheical is the classic example of the fallacious arguments you people are making.

It's pretty silly to suggest the history of US involvement in the middle east is akin to wearing a skirt and too much makeup.

It's pretty silly to suggest the Middle East would be just fine if the USA didn't exist or was never "involved".

But they sure would hate us less, right?

That's what Obama said... and GWB in the campaign of 2000, and Clinton in 1992....


the lack of knowledge of the middle east is staggering.
2012-09-14 05:13:33 PM
1 votes:

Walker: American mentality: free speech

Middle East mentality: say something I disagree with and I will kill anyone from your country or even allies of your country and then burn down my own city. That will learn you.

Close our embassies and don't give one more penny to these countries that hate us and want to kill us. We gave billions to Pakistan while they hid Bin laden for a decade. And if you think Pakistan didn't know he was there I have a bridge to sell you.


My Pakistani co-worker is quite familiar with the area OBL was hiding in. It's a very poplar section for military officers to have homes and there was no way they didn't know he was there. So yes, fark them. No more money, with the possible exception of Libya where the people seem to be attempting to make amends.

In one of the videos I just watched, the local "security forces" stood around doing nothing while the mobs tore down the German embassy fence.
2012-09-14 04:57:18 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: halfof33: Blue_Blazer: The statements with the "but" clause signify that the speaker is able to understand causality.

FACE PALM. Understand casuality? Are you serious? The second examples falsely and fallaciously ascribe causes that blame the victim.

Unbelievable.

/the rape hypotheical is the classic example of the fallacious arguments you people are making.

It's pretty silly to suggest the history of US involvement in the middle east is akin to wearing a skirt and too much makeup.


It's pretty silly to suggest the Middle East would be just fine if the USA didn't exist or was never "involved".
2012-09-14 04:52:39 PM
1 votes:

dehehn: smitty04: [img.photobucket.com image 456x386]

Moderate Muslims, demonstrating for peace:

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Sorry, but one violent bigot makes them all bigots. Oh wait, that only counts when the left talks about the tea party. Sorry.
2012-09-14 04:14:57 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: PsiChick: halfof33: PsiChick:

You are engaged in the equivalent of trying to teach a dog calculus.


I used to be roughly where that guy is--I knew you were supposed to say X, Y, and Z, but couldn't figure out why, so sometimes I'd think X was Z. I learned and got better. Maybe he can too.

/Although I'm not really being incredibly patient today...I need more coffee.
2012-09-14 04:14:52 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: CNN is showing the dead American killed by protected speech coming home to Andrews AFB right now.


No, CNN showed the dead Americans killed by medieval thugs that can't gain power as long as there's protected speech. Protected speech doesn't kill people. Thugs enabled by cowards who'd trade away the rights that others fought for kill people.
2012-09-14 04:10:03 PM
1 votes:

Blue_Blazer: No, I'm fairly sure that the justifications are exactly as Psichick described.


No I'm pretty sure they are not, because those "justifications" (and they are not justifications, they are perjorative conclusions) would treat the Muslim world as a single amorphous mass, which is idiotic.

But I'm going to do you a favor. I am going to explain this as one would to a child:

This;

"I condemn her rape."

is not the same as this:

"I condemn her rape, but I am not surprised by it because of the way she dressed."

Just like this:

"I condemn the violence at the Embassy."

is not the same as this:

"I condemn the violence at the Embassy, but I am not surprised by it because of the way she dressed America has acted for the last 50 years."

Thus endeth the lesson, go and sin no more.

Class Dismissed.
2012-09-14 04:06:08 PM
1 votes:
So why is this not being covered more in America? Does the media/government not want us outraged?


media.washtimes.com
2012-09-14 03:38:05 PM
1 votes:

halfof33: PsiChick: . I was talking about being unsurprised about the attacks, not about the morality of the attacks. .

Wow! That is A LOT of words, good for you, sugar.

here is a few more words that, curiously, did not make it into your little rant:

"If anyone's surprised, I'd like to remind you that America has spent the past fifty years propping up a country with the manners of Hulk on steroid smoothies and spent the past twenty years in two wars that caused thousands of civilian casualties, major human rights violations, stomped all over the idea of the Arab League's rights to deal with the ME their own way, left two countries in shambles, and opened up the idea that America can attack anyone, anywhere, without any consequences."

The funny thing is you wrote those words. My mistake was reading them, huh, champ?

"if anyone's surprised..." Face palm.

Great post, and borderline incomprehensible follow up. Thanks for posting.


Fine, then, I'll use small words for you.

I condemn the attacks. I am not surprised they happened.

I also didn't think I needed to spell the first one out or be accused of supporting farking murderers. My bad. Apparently we live in a society where people are too stupid to differentiate.
2012-09-14 03:31:16 PM
1 votes:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. There is unrest in the Middle East? Surely you jest!
2012-09-14 03:29:30 PM
1 votes:
and don't forget

www.yesnet.yk.ca
2012-09-14 03:28:15 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: We don't like murder and terrorism here.


Then why is the murder rate so high? And why do the police terrorize minorities?
2012-09-14 03:27:15 PM
1 votes:

Walker: American mentality: free speech

Middle East mentality: say something I disagree with and I will kill anyone from your country or even allies of your country and then burn down my own city. That will learn you.

Close our embassies and don't give one more penny to these countries that hate us and want to kill us. We gave billions to Pakistan while they hid Bin laden for a decade. And if you think Pakistan didn't know he was there I have a bridge to sell you.


here's your 'freedom'

Freedom of press?

elections arn't bought?

committing worldwide felonies?

what does that get ya?

Accounting fraud?

Think you can't be spied on

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remember citizen

Truth comes from authority

Intelligence is the ability to repeat and remember

accurate memory and repetition are rewarded

non-compliance is punished

conform:socially and intellectually

do not resist
 

BUT DON'T YOU DARE VIEW CRAPPY MOVIES ONLINE. DO YOU HEAR MEEEE!?!?!?!? why no, lobbying and subsidies arn't bribery and tax evasion, why do you ask?
2012-09-14 03:18:56 PM
1 votes:

halfof33: PsiChick: If anyone's surprised, I'd like to remind you that America has spent the past fifty years propping up a country with the manners of Hulk on steroid smoothies and spent the past twenty years in two wars that caused thousands of civilian casualties, major human rights violations, stomped all over the idea of the Arab League's rights to deal with the ME their own way, left two countries in shambles, and opened up the idea that America can attack anyone, anywhere, without any consequences.

Yeah. I am Jack's complete and utter lack of shock right about now.

Wow, a libtard making about justifications and excuses for violance against America.

Yeah. I am Jack's complete and utter lack of shock right about now.

Hey, you missed the fact that America was wearing a really tight skirt, and was just BEGGING for it.


The phrase 'strawman argument' is a name for a debating technique, when you claim that the other person said something that they did not, in fact, say. Now, you've used a brilliant example. Your argument here is that I am making justifications and excuses for the embassy attacks.

On its face, that argument is just stupid. I was talking about being unsurprised about the attacks, not about the morality of the attacks. But there's certainly a way for your argument to make complete sense, halfof33--if we assume, as so many people do, that when you say 'that serial killer has schizophrenia', it's another way of saying 'that serial killer should be let off all charges'.

This is another common debating technique that relies on complete and utter idiocy, although I don't know if it has a formal name. If I understand that X + 3 =23, therefore X = 20, does that mean I think X is a ridiculous number for cupcakes served to one child? Of course not. I may believe both separately, but knowing that X = 20 doesn't have a damn thing to do with cupcakes. In more accurate terms, knowledge itself does not require specific action.

In simple English, when you understand that X = 20, you are not required to do a damn thing with knowing that. And that means that, when someone says 'well, I'm not surprised this and that happened', you honestly do not know what sort of judgement they're making on the actual event. You can't. You don't have enough information.

Now, as it so happens, I wholeheartedly condemn the attacks and would like to see the attackers in jail and awaiting trial. But that's not something you could reasonably assume to know or not know based on what I said. Therefore, you have what is known as a strawman argument.

And the saddest part of all of this is that you could know everything I've said here by taking a high school debate class.
2012-09-14 03:16:01 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: dehehn: smitty04: [img.photobucket.com image 456x386]

Moderate Muslims, demonstrating for peace:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 850x538]
[cdn.ph.upi.com image 531x354]
[s3.amazonaws.com image 550x355]

And every one of them probably knows evil people, and just don't want to take action. It will take major political and spiritual change among those people. Chances of that happening are zero.

And it happens here too, look at the LA riots, and the riots that will happen when Zimmerman is cleared. Some people just won't change and have violence in them.


Listen here, Thunderlips, "spiritual change" is what causes clusterfarks like this in the first place. Maybe what the need is less religion, not just a different brand.
2012-09-14 03:00:32 PM
1 votes:
Again, when I see muslims attacking stuff because of a cartoon or a movie, I can't help but think of a troop of monkeys at the zoo losing their shiat over a Coke can somebody dropped into the enclosure.
2012-09-14 02:52:18 PM
1 votes:

jaybeezey: While i don't advocate turning any country and it's population into a smoking crater WWII style, you would only have to do it to one country to get the others to calm their shiat down.


Wait - do you honestly believe that if the United States engaged in strategic bombing of any predominantly Muslim country over this incident, that the remaining 1.5 billion or so Muslims worldwide would "calm their shiat down?" Really?
2012-09-14 02:49:27 PM
1 votes:
If ridiculous, stupid, trolltastic crap that offends a person's most cherished beliefs sends the muslim world into this much of a frenzy what is going to happen when the arab translation of Fark's politics tab get out?
2012-09-14 02:45:09 PM
1 votes:

TrixieDelite:

P.S. And don't any of you have JOBS? Sheeesh.


Actually they don't, and it's a big big problem. Youth unemployment in the middle east is like 50% or some shiat. That's a lot of young men with nothing to do but sweat in the heat and get angry. They can't even have a beer and go to a titty bar to blow off steam. And most of them still live at home with their mothers.

It's a riot waiting to happen all the damn time.
2012-09-14 02:44:04 PM
1 votes:

dehehn: smitty04: [img.photobucket.com image 456x386]

Moderate Muslims, demonstrating for peace:

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And every one of them probably knows evil people, and just don't want to take action. It will take major political and spiritual change among those people. Chances of that happening are zero.

And it happens here too, look at the LA riots, and the riots that will happen when Zimmerman is cleared. Some people just won't change and have violence in them.
2012-09-14 02:43:21 PM
1 votes:

Thunderpipes: If your neighbors were rioting, murdering foreign diplomats in your town, would you take any action, directly, or politically? I would, most of us would I am sure. We don't like murder and terrorism here.

Why don't all these other countries do the same? Because they don't really mind it. That is the difference between us and them. We are moral people as a whole, they are not.


Because they are weak leaders with already tenuous grasps on leadership without needing to stir up a hornet's nest in their country? You really think the government of Uganda or the DRC is in a position to criticize a bunch of bored jobless Islamists? They are more concerned with increasing the life expectancy from 35 to 40. We're not talking about Australia here.
2012-09-14 02:40:20 PM
1 votes:

smitty04: [img.photobucket.com image 456x386]


Moderate Muslims, demonstrating for peace:

i.dailymail.co.uk
cdn.ph.upi.com
s3.amazonaws.com
2012-09-14 02:40:07 PM
1 votes:

BMulligan: alexanderplatz: Whether Iran was actually involved in instigating protests and attacks or not, the whole situation does benefit them. A few days ago Iran was more isolated from its neighbors with respect to nuclear weapons and a possible war with Israel. Now the Muslim populations of many nations are practically unified in fury against the West. They're not unified specifically in support of Iran, but if Israel attacked Iran right now, it seems clear to me that the hordes or rioters would go even more ape-shiat in their anti-West and anti-Israel fury.

I don't think for a moment that Iran is behind this because I don't think they have the capability to pull it off. You're right, though - it definitely works to their advantage.

In an odd way, it probably works to everyone's advantage (except for the dead people of course). An Israeli strike on Iran would be an international disaster of unthinkable proportion, and the current situation makes that virtually impossible for the reasons you've cited. It sucks to watch this sort of senseless violence breaking out in so much of the world, and the deaths of those who were killed in the consulate attack are terrible and tragic, but in the long run it may turn out that this was paradoxically a good thing.


I'm wondering how hard you think it is to get a group of people who already hate everyone that isn't like them to protest in the streets?

I can get 100 people to do the hokey pokey at the mall in about 2hours.
2012-09-14 02:38:59 PM
1 votes:
If your neighbors were rioting, murdering foreign diplomats in your town, would you take any action, directly, or politically? I would, most of us would I am sure. We don't like murder and terrorism here.

Why don't all these other countries do the same? Because they don't really mind it. That is the difference between us and them. We are moral people as a whole, they are not.
2012-09-14 02:38:47 PM
1 votes:

12349876: An obsure, barely seen Youtube video gets shown on Egyptian TV by a radical Islamist talk show host and that's why it's an "outrage" and other videos still in intertube obscurity are not.


These protests just make me want to seek out and watch said movie. Haven't they heard of the Streisand effect? This isn't Arab Spring - it's just more Eternal September.
2012-09-14 02:37:52 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Ow! That was my feelings!: HotIgneous Intruder: Ow! That was my feelings!: Dear Subby,

America has no anti-hate speech laws, not "less strict".

signed,
Duh

But we have "hate crime" laws. That's why the Justice Dept. is investigating our buddy Sambecile.
His speech may be protected, but he is not.
Hard life.

I understand they are looking into the guy, but "hate crime" is a sentence "enhancer", not an actual crime. He will not face charges because his speech is protected by the first amendment. There is no initial crime for the hate crime enhancer to be used.

United States Federal law addresses hate crimes and provides penalties:
18 USC § 249 - Hate crime acts
As I keep saying, his speech is protected, but he is not.


I guess I'm dense today, but I'm not getting your "he is not" protected comment. The code you linked too clearly states "willfully causes bodily injury" or attempts to do so. I haven't seen the trailer, but from what I've read there is no direct threats made and obviously no direct violence. So, his speech and his freedom to be a dick are protected by the first.
2012-09-14 02:35:48 PM
1 votes:

BMulligan: HotIgneous Intruder: These folks would murder me and my children without so much as a second thought.

You believe that everyone in the countries where these protests are occurring would murder you and your children without so much as a second thought? Because that's what you would have to believe to justify a full-scale military response, which is how I interpret exhortations to begin bombing.


It's pretty sad when we have to look to W as a good example of a neocon who didn't support the wholesale slaughter of Muslims.
2012-09-14 02:35:11 PM
1 votes:
Seriously...where does all this shiat end. My Facebook page is blowing up with everyone yelling war. War? With who? The protesters in these dozen countries or so? The government of these countries? Islam as a whole?

Let's just assume we identify a target and we do go to war. We send our planes over. Our men (and women) over. We blow some shiat up. We shoot some people dead. We capture some people and put them on trial and execute them. We install a democratic government. Then what? We go home and these countries are in the same farked up American hating state there were just before we arrived.

I'm not try to be a tree hugging hippy here because this dumb ass shiat pisses me off as much as anyone else. I'm just saying unless our goals are to: a.) blow the entire place up for good. or b.) install some concentration camps over there and brainwash every muslim into loving America then we're not going to accomplish shiat but going to war in a traditional sense.
2012-09-14 02:33:59 PM
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HotIgneous Intruder: BMulligan: HotIgneous Intruder: These folks would murder me and my children without so much as a second thought.

You believe that everyone in the countries where these protests are occurring would murder you and your children without so much as a second thought? Because that's what you would have to believe to justify a full-scale military response, which is how I interpret exhortations to begin bombing.

The Islamists would. And no, I didn't say that would justify a full-scale anything, since the US and A! doesn't have a full-scale military to take out the trash with anymore, let alone invade any place at all. But I digress. One nuke on Mecca and Media each would probably send an emphatic message, but it would also be a little over the top. Islam is an expansionist religion, now practiced by one quarter of the world's population. Just live and let live and enjoy your caliphate. And pay your jizya.


I feel so badly for you. It must be awful to be such a pants-wetting pussy.
2012-09-14 02:33:58 PM
1 votes:

RumsfeldsReplacement: Can we please stop giving these animals money now?


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2012-09-14 02:32:33 PM
1 votes:
what utterly contemptible cultures
2012-09-14 02:28:09 PM
1 votes:

Ow! That was my feelings!: HotIgneous Intruder: Ow! That was my feelings!: Dear Subby,

America has no anti-hate speech laws, not "less strict".

signed,
Duh

But we have "hate crime" laws. That's why the Justice Dept. is investigating our buddy Sambecile.
His speech may be protected, but he is not.
Hard life.

I understand they are looking into the guy, but "hate crime" is a sentence "enhancer", not an actual crime. He will not face charges because his speech is protected by the first amendment. There is no initial crime for the hate crime enhancer to be used.


United States Federal law addresses hate crimes and provides penalties:
18 USC § 249 - Hate crime acts
As I keep saying, his speech is protected, but he is not.
2012-09-14 02:21:02 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: These folks would murder me and my children without so much as a second thought.
Why give them the benefit of the doubt.
Why?


Do you know what 'begging the question' is?
2012-09-14 02:18:16 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: These folks would murder me and my children without so much as a second thought.


You believe that everyone in the countries where these protests are occurring would murder you and your children without so much as a second thought? Because that's what you would have to believe to justify a full-scale military response, which is how I interpret exhortations to begin bombing.
2012-09-14 02:16:04 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: I'm so glad to see so many of you advocating the murder of innocents as a way to get vengeance for these mobs.

These folks would murder me and my children without so much as a second thought.
Why give them the benefit of the doubt.
Why?


All of them would? Every one?
Man, I've got some painting to do, it sure would go quicker if I had one of those massively broad brushes you use for painting.
What a sad child you must be, living in a world where literally billions of people want to kill you.
2012-09-14 02:14:27 PM
1 votes:

mantabulous: This made me chuckle
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You know, the Germans really should just go insane again on them. No one's going to judge if they do this time.
2012-09-14 02:09:06 PM
1 votes:

foggie froggie: These protests may have been triggered by the movie, but I think we can safely conclude they are not about the movie.


This is what happens when half of the working age males in your country don't have jobs.
2012-09-14 02:05:14 PM
1 votes:
Were the Prophet Muhammad around today, I think he'd be terribly disappointed in his followers. Even more so than Jesus would be were he around today. I imagine this scenario where Jesus and Muhammad would be sitting around at a bar lamenting about how idiotic their respective followers are. Though I think Muhammad would have slightly more to biatch about in that particular situation.
2012-09-14 01:54:58 PM
1 votes:

smitty04: Need_MindBleach: HUH?? HUH??? WTF is wrong with that region!

They just read this magazine.
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Obama the best friend of Israel?
Total nonsense.

/That's why the Mossad funded this video.
//Bebe Netanyahu hates Obiwan.
///Obama rejected Bebe's Red Line demand over Iran.
2012-09-14 01:47:14 PM
1 votes:

Wooly Bully: Tat'dGreaser: You gotta give it to Al Qaeda, they've been looking for a way to hit us hard and then this video came along. They popped smoke, hit us hard and got an Ambassador and then got us to get pissed at all Muslims. Brilliant.

Thank FSM we have an actual grownup in the White House. I shudder to think of what our response might be otherwise.


I'm guessing Mushroom clouds. Lots of them.
2012-09-14 01:40:01 PM
1 votes:
Subby thinks that the other protesters are doing it right?

Do German embassies really have any less to do with this video than American ones, do?

Or is he suggesting that we should throw out the First Amendment and be more like Germany and Afghanistan?
2012-09-14 01:39:57 PM
1 votes:

TrixieDelite: P.S. And don't any of you have JOBS? Sheeesh.


And therein actually is most of the reason for these type of protests, at least the root cause. There is massive unemployment in Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and several other (heck, most other?) middle-eastern countries right now. This allows for extremism to easily take root in disaffected youth and you are seeing the outcome of it.... 'It's the west causing our troubles! Burn them!' and that kind of thing.

Instead of propping up governments in the region, we should be propping up the people. Get everyone working and happy and they won't have time or care to protest. You could hear this kind of attitude from the working classes in Egypt during the uprising, basically everyone whom already had a job going 'I just want to get back to work'.
2012-09-14 01:39:46 PM
1 votes:
BRING ME THE HEAD OF GENERAL GORDON!
2012-09-14 01:27:23 PM
1 votes:

soporific: Kuroshin: It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."

Agreed. I think they might also be doing it to make Obama look bad because he's made a point to actually target the terrorists. They want Republicans back in place who will then ignore Al Qaeda and instead invade somewhere else. They want people in power who actually resemble anti-American propaganda. They want another 8 years of George W. Bush. At least, Bin Ladin did.

Or it could be a way to get people riled up and willing to listen to the more radical elements. They might be afraid that more and more people are rejecting the radical way, and this is a way to try to bring them back by whipping up an imagined or overblown slight. (It worked for the Tea Party in 2009, with the health care town halls) So this could also be a way of getting people on board. It also proves that what Obama is doing over there is working.

And it could be both, who knows. But the fact that it started on September 11th is no coincidence. This is a planned series of events, and it shows just how desperate they are, whoever is behind it.


I think a lot that depends on what you think Obama is trying to do.
2012-09-14 01:27:00 PM
1 votes:

Source4leko: I really wish the way I saw the world was so simple that most any problem like this could be fixed with more bombs. Or invading another country. Oh wait, no I don't, because realizing that there are incredibly complicated nuances that play into any geopolitical situation makes why things like this happen a more clear. Also, if your Weeners to violence is to respond with more violence then you don't seem that unlike these "animals" to me anyway.

/But the Iranians stormed our embassy in 1979 because they hated our freedoms, right? 
//Nothing happened before that, they just really hated our freedoms


You're an idiot. A few thousand people rioting means we should bomb one quarter of the seven billion people on the planet.

Only way to be sure.
2012-09-14 01:21:08 PM
1 votes:
I really wish the way I saw the world was so simple that most any problem like this could be fixed with more bombs. Or invading another country. Oh wait, no I don't, because realizing that there are incredibly complicated nuances that play into any geopolitical situation makes why things like this happen a more clear. Also, if your Weeners to violence is to respond with more violence then you don't seem that unlike these "animals" to me anyway.

/But the Iranians stormed our embassy in 1979 because they hated our freedoms, right? 
//Nothing happened before that, they just really hated our freedoms
2012-09-14 01:20:14 PM
1 votes:

halfof33: Lets see what world hide and seek champion and free speech advocate Julian Assange has to say:

"By the US accepting the UK siege on the Ecuadorian embassy in London it gave tacit approval for attacks on embassies around the world."

The take away from this is that Julian once again exposes himself as one of the worst people in the world.


Correct. We should only support sieges on embassies when they are done by other white people.
2012-09-14 01:19:51 PM
1 votes:
Ya know, this anti-muslim video would have quickly faded into obscurity if it weren't for all the rage and violence against it. I wonder if the extremists realize how much free publicity they're giving the makers of the film?
2012-09-14 01:15:25 PM
1 votes:
So let's see:

1. Some members of the Coptic diaspora and right-wing Christians in the US film a movie in California called "Desert Warrior" with a budget of what looks like about $50.

2. They dub over some of the lines to add references to Muhammad and the Quran, and release a 13-minute trailer on the internet.

3. Muslims all over the world riot and attack embassies, killing multiple people, burning private businesses, and attacking embassies of random Western countries.

HUH?? HUH??? WTF is wrong with that region!
2012-09-14 01:12:47 PM
1 votes:

WillyChase: rebelpride644: BMulligan: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.

The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.

So it's ok for you to wish death on someone??

Uh, he didn't wish death on anyone. If you can't tell the difference between those two statements you quoted then maybe you should just sit your bad self down before you make yourself look stupid again.


Unless he is leaving this world in a farking spaceship they are both advocating another's death.
2012-09-14 01:10:16 PM
1 votes:
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2012-09-14 01:02:17 PM
1 votes:

arcas: Mad at film made in America so they attack a German embassy...

They must've learned that move from the Dubya administration..


Made in America... but by and Egyptian Christian that it intently trying to throw the world into WWIII to spark the inevitable Christian Vs. Muslim Ultimate Showdown XIV® (I hope it's not Pay-Per-View this year). Give him props I guess, at least he is making more progress toward his life goals than most of us. He's a real go-getter with Troll Level ∞.

/firggin' mayans
2012-09-14 12:57:53 PM
1 votes:
If you don't get it, making nice with these backward idiots doesn't make them like us. They hate us. They think there are only two good kinds of infidels, converted or dead. They want us to live the way they live. Stupidly. If you think Obama and Hillary use smart diplomacy, why don't you get a job in an Embassy in the Middle East.
2012-09-14 12:57:26 PM
1 votes:

Oznog: We totally need to just use fake embassies. Big, flashy place with fences and flags and nobody inside and not a damn thing flammable.

We'll just rent out a commercial space a few blocks away for actual operations, and keep it on the down-low.


Set it up so its easy to get in and nearly impossible to get out.
2012-09-14 12:56:24 PM
1 votes:

JNowe: Uh, they were doing it wrong when they stormed the American embassy, too.


They don't understand our freedom of speech.

Over there (for the most part) such a thing would not be allowed by the government.
2012-09-14 12:53:03 PM
1 votes:
Mad at film made in America so they attack a German embassy...

They must've learned that move from the Dubya administration..
2012-09-14 12:52:29 PM
1 votes:
I really don't want Germany on our side in WWIII. They lost the first 2 already. Can we pick Russia again?
2012-09-14 12:52:26 PM
1 votes:
You'd Better Behave! Don't destroy my election chances.
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2012-09-14 12:52:17 PM
1 votes:

lewismarktwo: This is what happens when you have a bunch of uneducated morans raised on magical thinking being led by charismatic hate mongers.


But enough about the GOP.....
2012-09-14 12:51:19 PM
1 votes:
This is what happens when you have a bunch of uneducated morans raised on magical thinking being led by charismatic hate mongers.
2012-09-14 12:50:53 PM
1 votes:

mynameist: I viewed the trailer and didn't see any hate speech. It was just a poorly made satire. If asshats want to start violence over a movie, then maybe this producer guy is a hero. There needs to be more and more of these movies. If we avoid this problem using BS like hate speech law, it will only get much worse over time.

Eastern Europe's strong hate speech laws are the biggest reason that huge numbers of Nazis still exist. Had those ideas been discussed freely, they would probably already have been dismissed as obsolete and counterproductive. Outlawing them gives them great credibility.


I don't think it gives them credibility, per se, but you are correct in that avoiding discussion about them prevents their glaring flaws from being made public, and *THAT* is a problem.

I know it's a bit of a platitude, but it's as correct now as it was when it was first uttered:

The antidote to speech you find abhorrent is more speech, not less.
2012-09-14 12:50:50 PM
1 votes:

karmaceutical: I'm sure Mitt Romney's foreign policy advisers are preparing a response for deployment of American forces... as soon as they find the Nation of Islam on a map.


Oh yeah, cuz mitt romney stupid. You so smart!!!
2012-09-14 12:49:08 PM
1 votes:
styckx:
Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests?

There was a story a couple of days ago (can't remember where - a British news org, I think) where the reporter went to the Egyptian protest and asked about the film.

"What film?"
2012-09-14 12:48:50 PM
1 votes:

styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?


Because this is the one al-quada is using as an excuse for their terrorism today.
2012-09-14 12:48:17 PM
1 votes:

styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?


It's a convenient excuse for rioting.
2012-09-14 12:46:58 PM
1 votes:
Lets see what world hide and seek champion and free speech advocate Julian Assange has to say:

"By the US accepting the UK siege on the Ecuadorian embassy in London it gave tacit approval for attacks on embassies around the world."

The take away from this is that Julian once again exposes himself as one of the worst people in the world.
2012-09-14 12:46:44 PM
1 votes:

Walker: Close our embassies and don't give one more penny to these countries that hate us and want to kill us. We gave billions to Pakistan while they hid Bin laden for a decade. And if you think Pakistan didn't know he was there I have a bridge to sell you.



I trust Pakistan as far as I can throw it.
2012-09-14 12:46:23 PM
1 votes:

Oznog: We totally need to just use fake embassies.


www.scvhistory.com

What until they hear about the Number Six dance..
2012-09-14 12:42:20 PM
1 votes:

Kuroshin: It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."


But Saddam Hussein is already dead!!
2012-09-14 12:41:42 PM
1 votes:

Kuroshin: There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."


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2012-09-14 12:40:50 PM
1 votes:
The fact that America is jumping on the fire so quickly in order to contain it is heartening.

Obama 2012.
2012-09-14 12:38:16 PM
1 votes:
Is there a channel where I could watch this live? Perhaps the Khartoum Network?
2012-09-14 12:38:11 PM
1 votes:
Violent religious fanatics and people who have already made up their mind about committing violence don't see provocation, they see excuses.
2012-09-14 12:36:00 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure Mitt Romney's foreign policy advisers are preparing a response for deployment of American forces... as soon as they find the Nation of Islam on a map.
2012-09-14 12:33:14 PM
1 votes:
Step your game up protesters, go burn the Reichstag.

/then see what happens to you
2012-09-14 12:32:38 PM
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markie_farkie: If Romney were Chancellor of Germany, none of this would have happened.


Kaiser. The term is "Kaiser".
2012-09-14 12:32:10 PM
1 votes:

Protesters, you're doing it wrong


They probably don't have maps and like such as.
 
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