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(Reuters)   Germany, a country with stricter anti-hate speech laws than America, has its embassy stormed in Khartoum over American-produced video perceived to be hate speech. Protesters, you're doing it wrong   (reuters.com ) divider line
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2012-09-14 12:46:58 PM  
Lets see what world hide and seek champion and free speech advocate Julian Assange has to say:

"By the US accepting the UK siege on the Ecuadorian embassy in London it gave tacit approval for attacks on embassies around the world."

The take away from this is that Julian once again exposes himself as one of the worst people in the world.
 
2012-09-14 12:47:06 PM  

markie_farkie: What


Wait
 
2012-09-14 12:47:56 PM  
I viewed the trailer and didn't see any hate speech. It was just a poorly made satire. If asshats want to start violence over a movie, then maybe this producer guy is a hero. There needs to be more and more of these movies. If we avoid this problem using BS like hate speech law, it will only get much worse over time.

Eastern Europe's strong hate speech laws are the biggest reason that huge numbers of Nazis still exist. Had those ideas been discussed freely, they would probably already have been dismissed as obsolete and counterproductive. Outlawing them gives them great credibility.
 
2012-09-14 12:48:01 PM  

Kuroshin: It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."


Agreed. I think they might also be doing it to make Obama look bad because he's made a point to actually target the terrorists. They want Republicans back in place who will then ignore Al Qaeda and instead invade somewhere else. They want people in power who actually resemble anti-American propaganda. They want another 8 years of George W. Bush. At least, Bin Ladin did.

Or it could be a way to get people riled up and willing to listen to the more radical elements. They might be afraid that more and more people are rejecting the radical way, and this is a way to try to bring them back by whipping up an imagined or overblown slight. (It worked for the Tea Party in 2009, with the health care town halls) So this could also be a way of getting people on board. It also proves that what Obama is doing over there is working.

And it could be both, who knows. But the fact that it started on September 11th is no coincidence. This is a planned series of events, and it shows just how desperate they are, whoever is behind it.
 
2012-09-14 12:48:17 PM  

styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?


It's a convenient excuse for rioting.
 
2012-09-14 12:48:47 PM  

Walker: THEY'RE BURNING THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! SOMEONE SAVE THE CHICKEN BREASTS!
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....and nothing of value was lost.

While it is possible entities are coordinating via social media...all of this particularly those aimed at our (US) allies smacks of "false flag" type stuff. Even the creation of the movie itself. That dirty little turd from CA that created it; who did so knowing the possible result...has he come forth with a motive? Financial sources?

I smell a rat in the baseboards.
 
2012-09-14 12:48:50 PM  

styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?


Because this is the one al-quada is using as an excuse for their terrorism today.
 
2012-09-14 12:48:57 PM  

Walker: THEY'RE BURNING THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! SOMEONE SAVE THE CHICKEN BREASTS!
[img.photobucket.com image 630x420]


I have no problem with them burning one of those Carl's Jr. neo-Hardees.
 
2012-09-14 12:49:03 PM  

12349876: styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?

Because an Egyptian talk show host discussed it on September 8.


And we all know what Glenn Beck did to a girl in 1990.. Why aren't we burning down Foxnews Embassies?
 
2012-09-14 12:49:05 PM  

Purdue_Pete: Walker: THEY'RE BURNING THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS! SOMEONE SAVE THE CHICKEN BREASTS!
[img.photobucket.com image 630x420]

They keep saying KFC but this looks like a deliberate attack on Hardee's to punish them for their Double "Bacon Bacon Biscuit". Sure, steal our flag, I don't give a shiat, but I will not stand an assault on bacon. This is the line in the sand you radical muslim freaks. This aggression will not stand.



Nope....they burned down Hardee's because they were selling crack at the drive through window.

/Joke stolen from Chris Rock.
 
2012-09-14 12:49:08 PM  
styckx:
Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests?

There was a story a couple of days ago (can't remember where - a British news org, I think) where the reporter went to the Egyptian protest and asked about the film.

"What film?"
 
2012-09-14 12:50:18 PM  
FTA: "Sudan's Foreign Ministry had criticized Germany for allowing a protest last month by right-wing activists carrying caricatures of the Prophet and for Chancellor Angela Merkel giving an award in 2010 to a Danish cartoonist who depicted the Prophet in 2005 triggering protests across the Islamic world."

I'm in no way defending the mobs, but targeting the German embassy is not as totally unrelated as subby makes it out to be.
 
2012-09-14 12:50:48 PM  

Muta: Kuroshin: There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."

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While you were choking, you misspelled "Iran"

/Just thought you should know
 
2012-09-14 12:50:50 PM  

karmaceutical: I'm sure Mitt Romney's foreign policy advisers are preparing a response for deployment of American forces... as soon as they find the Nation of Islam on a map.


Oh yeah, cuz mitt romney stupid. You so smart!!!
 
2012-09-14 12:50:53 PM  

mynameist: I viewed the trailer and didn't see any hate speech. It was just a poorly made satire. If asshats want to start violence over a movie, then maybe this producer guy is a hero. There needs to be more and more of these movies. If we avoid this problem using BS like hate speech law, it will only get much worse over time.

Eastern Europe's strong hate speech laws are the biggest reason that huge numbers of Nazis still exist. Had those ideas been discussed freely, they would probably already have been dismissed as obsolete and counterproductive. Outlawing them gives them great credibility.


I don't think it gives them credibility, per se, but you are correct in that avoiding discussion about them prevents their glaring flaws from being made public, and *THAT* is a problem.

I know it's a bit of a platitude, but it's as correct now as it was when it was first uttered:

The antidote to speech you find abhorrent is more speech, not less.
 
2012-09-14 12:50:55 PM  
Romneybot demands order in the Reichstaag!
 
2012-09-14 12:51:19 PM  
This is what happens when you have a bunch of uneducated morans raised on magical thinking being led by charismatic hate mongers.
 
2012-09-14 12:51:21 PM  
Whoever the director of that film is, give that guy a troll of the year award.

Or whoever his boss is who is behind organizing all of this.
 
2012-09-14 12:52:17 PM  

lewismarktwo: This is what happens when you have a bunch of uneducated morans raised on magical thinking being led by charismatic hate mongers.


But enough about the GOP.....
 
2012-09-14 12:52:26 PM  
You'd Better Behave! Don't destroy my election chances.
encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-09-14 12:52:29 PM  
I really don't want Germany on our side in WWIII. They lost the first 2 already. Can we pick Russia again?
 
2012-09-14 12:52:58 PM  

Artemus_Hackwell: That dirty little turd from CA that created it; who did so knowing the possible result...has he come forth with a motive? Financial sources?


The story at the moment is that the creator hates both Islam and the United States, and is part of a domestic hate group that wants to overthrow America and rebuild in its place a Christian theocracy to stand against the oncoming war against Islam. So he makes a video to inflame the Middle East into violence, who will them turn it against American interests abroad, weakening the American government for the eventual coup by he and his Christian soldiers. As for the financing, I haven't heard much about it.
 
2012-09-14 12:53:03 PM  
Mad at film made in America so they attack a German embassy...

They must've learned that move from the Dubya administration..
 
2012-09-14 12:54:33 PM  

BMulligan: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.

The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.


So it's ok for you to wish death on someone??
 
2012-09-14 12:54:46 PM  

styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?


And admit that the administration doesn't have a clue what it's doing in the Middle East? No, better to blame this whole thing on right wing christians.
 
2012-09-14 12:55:05 PM  
Come on, you cowards. Hit the Russian embassy. I want to see what happens when you hit a group that will hit back with no moral qualms about trying to be the "nice guy."

/or maybe the Russians are behind this...
//who benefits the most from these riots, anyway?
 
2012-09-14 12:56:24 PM  

JNowe: Uh, they were doing it wrong when they stormed the American embassy, too.


They don't understand our freedom of speech.

Over there (for the most part) such a thing would not be allowed by the government.
 
2012-09-14 12:57:26 PM  

Oznog: We totally need to just use fake embassies. Big, flashy place with fences and flags and nobody inside and not a damn thing flammable.

We'll just rent out a commercial space a few blocks away for actual operations, and keep it on the down-low.


Set it up so its easy to get in and nearly impossible to get out.
 
2012-09-14 12:57:53 PM  
If you don't get it, making nice with these backward idiots doesn't make them like us. They hate us. They think there are only two good kinds of infidels, converted or dead. They want us to live the way they live. Stupidly. If you think Obama and Hillary use smart diplomacy, why don't you get a job in an Embassy in the Middle East.
 
2012-09-14 12:58:30 PM  
My guess is that someone in the ME saw the election coverage over here and realized they were being out-derped. So they had to get all their friends together and show the world that noone out-derps the middle east.

\Derpy derp
\\Derpcon 5
 
2012-09-14 12:59:44 PM  
Holy fark just drop some damn napalm on these protests and get it over with.
 
2012-09-14 01:00:41 PM  

rebelpride644: BMulligan: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.

The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.

So it's ok for you to wish death on someone??


Uh, he didn't wish death on anyone. If you can't tell the difference between those two statements you quoted then maybe you should just sit your bad self down before you make yourself look stupid again.
 
2012-09-14 01:00:48 PM  
FTFA:
Two Islamist preachers in Egypt told worshippers that those who made the movie deserved to die under sharia (Islamic law)

Okay, worshippers of Islam, here's the deal: AMERICANS DO NOT OPERATE UNDER ISLAMIC LAW. We operate under another set of laws, commonly framed within a little document we call The Constitution. We don't operate under your laws in our country. And you may note that when your people come to OUR country, we acknowledge your right to dress according to your traditions, eat according to your traditions, and worship according to your traditions--even though you're in a country that doesn't share those traditions.

While I do not agree with the making of the movie, I support the rights of those who made it. It was made in America, and the only reason you folks know anything about it is because of the Internet, which was also invented in America. And you're watching it on computers, which are an American invention as well.

So take your sorry-ass protests and shove them up your hairy asses. We'll gladly take our Embassies, our aid, human rights groups and political persuasions out of your backwater countries.

P.S. And don't any of you have JOBS? Sheeesh.
 
2012-09-14 01:01:13 PM  

Oznog: We totally need to just use fake embassies. Big, flashy place with fences and flags and nobody inside and every other brick made of solid C4, and wired for remote detonation.

We'll just rent out a commercial space a few blocks away for actual operations, and keep it on the down-low.


Plus, several cameras inside and outside from a block away so we can enjoy the show once all those idiots get inside.
 
2012-09-14 01:01:58 PM  

mekki: Come on, you cowards. Hit the Russian embassy. I want to see what happens when you hit a group that will hit back with no moral qualms about trying to be the "nice guy."

/or maybe the Russians are behind this...
//who benefits the most from these riots, anyway?


Right now, it looks like Churches and Popeyes. But, we'll see.

/going to hell
 
2012-09-14 01:02:17 PM  

arcas: Mad at film made in America so they attack a German embassy...

They must've learned that move from the Dubya administration..


Made in America... but by and Egyptian Christian that it intently trying to throw the world into WWIII to spark the inevitable Christian Vs. Muslim Ultimate Showdown XIV® (I hope it's not Pay-Per-View this year). Give him props I guess, at least he is making more progress toward his life goals than most of us. He's a real go-getter with Troll Level ∞.

/firggin' mayans
 
2012-09-14 01:02:50 PM  

Kuroshin: It's obvious at this point that none of this has anything to do with Islamic outrage over a video. These are all happening in a coordinated fashion, hitting the same targets. The fact that this all started around September 11 is just blatant.

There is no pretending this to be random acts of violence. A singular entity is behind this. Either a coordinated terrorist organization, or a government wanting to spark more direct conflict across Africa and the ME is orchestrating these "protests."


I bet you believe 9/11 was an inside job, too.
 
2012-09-14 01:03:09 PM  

Muta: Is there a channel where I could watch this live? Perhaps the Khartoum Network?


*snerk*
 
2012-09-14 01:07:38 PM  

styckx: 12349876: styckx: Is there a real source except U.S. media claiming it's this "film" as the reason for these protests? This seems more like an organized revolt against the U.S. then over some shiatty film. I mean fark there are probably 1000s of videos making fun of Islam.. Why does this one suddenly spark outrage?

Because an Egyptian talk show host discussed it on September 8.

And we all know what Glenn Beck did to a girl in 1990.. Why aren't we burning down Foxnews Embassies?


I was only answering the "why did it spark outrage" part. An obsure, barely seen Youtube video gets shown on Egyptian TV by a radical Islamist talk show host and that's why it's an "outrage" and other videos still in intertube obscurity are not.
 
2012-09-14 01:08:09 PM  

TrixieDelite: FTFA:
Two Islamist preachers in Egypt told worshippers that those who made the movie deserved to die under sharia (Islamic law)

Okay, worshippers of Islam, here's the deal: AMERICANS DO NOT OPERATE UNDER ISLAMIC LAW.

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2012-09-14 01:09:13 PM  

mekki: Come on, you cowards. Hit the Russian embassy. I want to see what happens when you hit a group that will hit back with no moral qualms about trying to be the "nice guy."

/or maybe the Russians are behind this...
//who benefits the most from these riots, anyway?


Hardline fundamentalists. It is always the fundamentalists.

Whipping people into a frenzy does two things:

1. Reinforces the fundamentalist ideology, allowing the leaders to further exploit the populace.

2. Destabilizes the sitting (more moderate) government by giving it a black eye and forcing it to clean up this mess.


But all things considered, you have to view it also from a third world perspective: These people are in their own echo chambers and are being told this movie aired NATIONWIDE in AMERICA for SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH. This incredibly offensive lie is spreading like wildfire, probably because people want it to be true.

And fact checking in the middle of Sudan or Libya probably isn't effortless.


This could be a:
A. coordinated false flag movie made to destabilize governments and further terrorism
B. opportunistic grab by fundamentalist groups to further terrorism
C. Only riots set off by the rumors about the movie (not the movie itself, the way they see how we made and consumed the movie shows our implicit approval, a lie, but a masterful one)

I'm thinking a mixture of B & C. THere's no shortage of idiots who blame the US government for all their problems (hell there are multitudes here. Fundamentalists must have thought they struck gold when they saw this movie. Fanning the flames to further destabilze US - ANYONE relations is a net win for any rebel/terrorist/fundamentalist group.

The movie could well have been made by a christian group with the intent to fan the flames themselves, or even a muslim group, but you have to admit that the movie seems to be made to insult muslims. (or pander to islamo-hatered)
 
2012-09-14 01:10:16 PM  
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2012-09-14 01:10:27 PM  

TrixieDelite: FTFA:
Two Islamist preachers in Egypt told worshippers that those who made the movie deserved to die under sharia (Islamic law)

Okay, worshippers of Islam, here's the deal: AMERICANS DO NOT OPERATE UNDER ISLAMIC LAW. We operate under another set of laws, commonly framed within a little document we call The Constitution. We don't operate under your laws in our country. And you may note that when your people come to OUR country, we acknowledge your right to dress according to your traditions, eat according to your traditions, and worship according to your traditions--even though you're in a country that doesn't share those traditions.

While I do not agree with the making of the movie, I support the rights of those who made it. It was made in America, and the only reason you folks know anything about it is because of the Internet, which was also invented in America. And you're watching it on computers, which are an American invention as well.

So take your sorry-ass protests and shove them up your hairy asses. We'll gladly take our Embassies, our aid, human rights groups and political persuasions out of your backwater countries.

P.S. And don't any of you have JOBS? Sheeesh.


To be fair, quoting two random preachers from an entire country does not really make for a convincing argument.

If there was a protest outside an abortion clinic, I'm sure an intrepid reporter could dig up two pastors who claim that the doctors inside deserve to die based upon their religious beliefs.
 
2012-09-14 01:11:08 PM  
Don't worry, the German press is already condemning the US.
 
2012-09-14 01:12:24 PM  

mekki: Come on, you cowards. Hit the Russian embassy. I want to see what happens when you hit a group that will hit back with no moral qualms about trying to be the "nice guy."

/or maybe the Russians are behind this...
//who benefits the most from these riots, anyway?


Israel, I guess. They have been fairly adept at manipulating the Religious Right to advance their grudges against the Muslim world.
 
2012-09-14 01:12:37 PM  

Nurglitch: At this point one feels that the 'protesters' are just looking for an excuse.


It's what happens when you don't have an iPod or Xbox.
 
2012-09-14 01:12:47 PM  

WillyChase: rebelpride644: BMulligan: The Dog Ate The Constitution: Can't bomb these goat farkers fast enough.

The world will be a better place on the day that you leave it.

So it's ok for you to wish death on someone??

Uh, he didn't wish death on anyone. If you can't tell the difference between those two statements you quoted then maybe you should just sit your bad self down before you make yourself look stupid again.


Unless he is leaving this world in a farking spaceship they are both advocating another's death.
 
2012-09-14 01:13:24 PM  

grinding_journalist: markie_farkie: If Romney were Chancellor of Germany, none of this would have happened.

Kaiser. The term is "Kaiser".


forget it he's

puts on shade

on a roll
 
2012-09-14 01:14:25 PM  
I have a hard time believing that all of this is over some video clip. There is a whole lot of hateful stuff out there on the internet every single day. What was different this week?

The whole thing stinks of astroturf, I tells ya.
 
2012-09-14 01:15:25 PM  
So let's see:

1. Some members of the Coptic diaspora and right-wing Christians in the US film a movie in California called "Desert Warrior" with a budget of what looks like about $50.

2. They dub over some of the lines to add references to Muhammad and the Quran, and release a 13-minute trailer on the internet.

3. Muslims all over the world riot and attack embassies, killing multiple people, burning private businesses, and attacking embassies of random Western countries.

HUH?? HUH??? WTF is wrong with that region!
 
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