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(Joystiq)   In response to their game's impending shutdown, City of Heroes players band together to treat the sacked developers to dinner, raising $1000 in about three hours. Cool and Sad tags still fighting over the story, letting Followup sneak in   (massively.joystiq.com) divider line 59
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2012-09-14 12:39:38 PM  
Played that game. It was a total grindfest, all the bad guys looked alike, all the zones looked the same, and it just outright sucked.
 
2012-09-14 12:39:39 PM  
Yay us! Boo NcSoft & Nexon.

#savecoh
 
2012-09-14 12:40:14 PM  

CraicBaby: Played that game. It was a total grindfest, all the bad guys looked alike, all the zones looked the same, and it just outright sucked.


Lol wut? You obviously haven't played the game in years.
 
2012-09-14 12:44:33 PM  
oh ffs, we already had the fark "save our 8 year old game that doen't really pay the bills anymore" thread and it hardly got any comments. let it go
 
2012-09-14 12:50:15 PM  
I'm glad this story continues to gain traction. I personally want City of Heroes to continue. I might not play it much anymore, but when I do I still enjoy it, and my kids are huge fans. They grew up with it and were crushed when they heard about NCSoft's mind-boggling decision to end it. I really hope something can be worked out.
 
2012-09-14 12:53:30 PM  
Hopefully we've all learned to never buy another cyptic game or from anyone who ever worked there. Its fail, redefined
 
2012-09-14 12:53:49 PM  
If you really want CoH to continue, why not set up a free server and pay the devs to continue working on it?
 
2012-09-14 01:00:03 PM  

CraicBaby: Played that game. It was a total grindfest, all the bad guys looked alike, all the zones looked the same, and it just outright sucked.


Soooo.... it's an MMO?

Treygreen13: If you really want CoH to continue, why not set up a free server and pay the devs to continue working on it?


Because you can't just take somebody else's copyrighted work and do whatever you want with it?
 
2012-09-14 01:01:15 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: CraicBaby: Played that game. It was a total grindfest, all the bad guys looked alike, all the zones looked the same, and it just outright sucked.

Soooo.... it's an MMO?

Treygreen13: If you really want CoH to continue, why not set up a free server and pay the devs to continue working on it?

Because you can't just take somebody else's copyrighted work and do whatever you want with it?


It worked for Ragnarok Online, and there's even WoW servers.
 
2012-09-14 01:01:39 PM  

justtray: Hopefully we've all learned to never buy another cyptic game or from anyone who ever worked there. Its fail, redefined


It's NCSoft's fault, not Cryptic's, but you are correct, in the sense that I'm watching the developments, I am the person who buys the games for my children, and I have a long memory.

If NCSoft truly has a habit of doing this sort of thing, like people have claimed, I don't ever want to hear this sort of anguish in my house ever again as my kids mourn the upcoming loss of their accounts and characters. Depending on how this develops, I'm thinking of not only refusing to invest in NCSoft products, but refusing to let my children play MMO games in general.
 
2012-09-14 01:02:34 PM  

dababler: CraicBaby: Played that game. It was a total grindfest, all the bad guys looked alike, all the zones looked the same, and it just outright sucked.

Lol wut? You obviously haven't played the game in years.


Or ever. Trolls gotta, troll, I suppose.

On devs for dinner; Eh. I think alcohol would be more appreciated. Also, I still have something that Lighthouse can eat. In my pants.
 
2012-09-14 01:07:57 PM  

CygnusDarius: It worked for Ragnarok Online, and there's even WoW servers.


I don't know anything about Ragnarok, but private WoW servers are blackbox affairs that have been developed by learning how the client and server communicate, not a fork or continuation of the actual WoW server code that Blizzard owns.
 
2012-09-14 01:13:22 PM  
CoH is dying because Champions Online has a better FTP model that actually makes its company money. Yes it is grindie, yes it's old. But it is going strong.
 
2012-09-14 01:14:32 PM  
Still playing this.

$40

Hundreds of servers, all the time.
 
2012-09-14 01:15:31 PM  

Ramen Pride!: If NCSoft truly has a habit of doing this sort of thing


NCSoft permanently lost my interest after they and Anet went full retard on Guild Wars. They released a pretty good game in 2005, but after the EotN expansion in 08/2007 that was pretty much it for the game. Aside from a few small storyline quests, items and skill tweaks, the game has been effectively dead since at least late 2009 unless you just want to grind vanity items and titles.

Guild Wars had a ton of promise and was fun as long as the story lasted, but between the massive functional deficiencies (it was effectively a 2D multiplayer game with fancy chat rooms for grouping up in) and the fact that they basically stopped developing it after less than four years, it was a pretty shiatty MMO in the long run.
 
2012-09-14 01:17:36 PM  
Kickstarter or gtfo
 
2012-09-14 01:22:11 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Ramen Pride!: If NCSoft truly has a habit of doing this sort of thing

NCSoft permanently lost my interest after they and Anet went full retard on Guild Wars. They released a pretty good game in 2005, but after the EotN expansion in 08/2007 that was pretty much it for the game. Aside from a few small storyline quests, items and skill tweaks, the game has been effectively dead since at least late 2009 unless you just want to grind vanity items and titles.

Guild Wars had a ton of promise and was fun as long as the story lasted, but between the massive functional deficiencies (it was effectively a 2D multiplayer game with fancy chat rooms for grouping up in) and the fact that they basically stopped developing it after less than four years, it was a pretty shiatty MMO in the long run.


What do you think about Guild Wars 2? My Hubby has fallen in love with that game but I don't really want to play alone again.
 
2012-09-14 01:23:26 PM  

shortymac: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Ramen Pride!: If NCSoft truly has a habit of doing this sort of thing

NCSoft permanently lost my interest after they and Anet went full retard on Guild Wars. They released a pretty good game in 2005, but after the EotN expansion in 08/2007 that was pretty much it for the game. Aside from a few small storyline quests, items and skill tweaks, the game has been effectively dead since at least late 2009 unless you just want to grind vanity items and titles.

Guild Wars had a ton of promise and was fun as long as the story lasted, but between the massive functional deficiencies (it was effectively a 2D multiplayer game with fancy chat rooms for grouping up in) and the fact that they basically stopped developing it after less than four years, it was a pretty shiatty MMO in the long run.

What do you think about Guild Wars 2? My Hubby has fallen in love with that game but I don't really want to play alone again.


Make that "an MMO" again.
 
2012-09-14 01:24:22 PM  
Derrr.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-14 01:28:55 PM  
I used to play this game. I played it maybe too much. Some friends and I made a small clan on the test server. I leveled a blaster character from 1 to 50 (back when lvl 50 was max, pre CoV) on the test server. Lots of solo play. I got a couple private messages from developers when they noticed. They were pretty surprised anyone did that.

Eventually we got tired of being alone most of the time and went back to live servers.

Haven't played in years.
 
2012-09-14 01:30:30 PM  

shortymac: What do you think about Guild Wars 2?


Haven't played it. I completely lost track of the franchise for more than two years so I don't really know anything about it.

I feel kind of adrift in the MMO world right now. I've stayed away from GW2 because I feel like Anet/NCSoft just abandoned the original, I've lost interest in WoW because I think Cataclysm was just that, and I was going to try and get back into LOTRO but the game has gone play to win... there doesn't seem to be anything fun to play anymore.
 
2012-09-14 01:36:56 PM  
Having lost SWG (Pre-NGE or whatever the fark it's called) to bad developer/publisher decisions, I know how they feel.

I'm going to buy GW2 tonight, I tried WoW but that to me is to kiddie and now it has farking pandas.
 
2012-09-14 01:41:06 PM  
So are we agreed that MMOs are a bad investment of one's time, energy and money? The recent shutdown of Star Wars Galaxies and now CoH seems to prove, to me, anyway, that off-line is the better long-term experience.
 
2012-09-14 01:45:00 PM  
Been pondering this a bit. How well do you guys think a Pathfinder (Link) MMO would go over with these kind of parameters:

Standard D&D3/3.5/Pathfinder style leveling (no need to race to max level to enjoy the game)
CoH style character creation (minus the armor look, see below)
Multiple looks per type of armor with the inclusion of a toolkit to adjust/create new looks for your armor (no stat adjustments, just visuals)
Item creation per Pathfinder formulas (Higher your level, crazier shiat you can do)
DM style control for party adventures (Ability to create/publish areas where a player can assume control as a DM rather than just as a player-character)

Eh?
 
2012-09-14 01:47:02 PM  
I'll miss that little gem.

I played CoH back when villains first came out, i started up with a friend of mine (which made it all the better)

Energy Fist Bruiser was fun to play So was super jump being able to clear buildings while my friend with super speed zipped between alleys below. My friend was moving so fast we had to turn his mouse sensitivity up to 300% or so just so he had fine tuned control while speeding along the ground.

also THOSE MAYHEM MISSIONS. Holy shiat as a bad guy going in and told to just muck up the place and rob a bank!? SO MUCH FUN. Especially when i was the bruiser outside tangling with the cops while my guys fought the enemy hero inside to get away with the goods. Of all the random quests i've done in MMOs those were just pure fun.

I went into an old photo bucket account i was using while i played... time to time travel to back when i couldn't afford anything better than the bare minimum requirements.

Ok so the clipping wasn't so good at first.

img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/R3ckl3ss7/screenshot_2006-05- 21-01-45-21.jpg" width="850" height="608">
All hail to the chief of my Supergroup

i2.photobucket.com
I made him...i don't know what he does but i know his name is Captain LSD
 
2012-09-14 01:53:53 PM  

Expolaris: I'll miss that little gem.

I played CoH back when villains first came out, i started up with a friend of mine (which made it all the better)

Energy Fist Bruiser was fun to play So was super jump being able to clear buildings while my friend with super speed zipped between alleys below. My friend was moving so fast we had to turn his mouse sensitivity up to 300% or so just so he had fine tuned control while speeding along the ground.

also THOSE MAYHEM MISSIONS. Holy shiat as a bad guy going in and told to just muck up the place and rob a bank!? SO MUCH FUN. Especially when i was the bruiser outside tangling with the cops while my guys fought the enemy hero inside to get away with the goods. Of all the random quests i've done in MMOs those were just pure fun.

I went into an old photo bucket account i was using while i played... time to time travel to back when i couldn't afford anything better than the bare minimum requirements.

Ok so the clipping wasn't so good at first.

img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/R3ckl3ss7/screenshot_2006-05- 21-01-45-21.jpg" width="850" height="608">
All hail to the chief of my Supergroup

[i2.photobucket.com image 850x608]
I made him...i don't know what he does but i know his name is Captain LSD


People like you who use the "random button" to make costumes should just be genericed.
 
2012-09-14 02:05:19 PM  
Sad. Played all the alphas (aka F&F releases), betas, etc but haven't played in a couple of years.

Great game, great people, great devs.

Nothing lasts forever, but thinking that there won't be a Paragon City anymore gives me a sad.
 
2012-09-14 02:05:48 PM  
Spent a shiat ton of time with City of Heroes, still one of the most original and innovative MMO out there, sad to see it goes. Kudos to the studios for the job well done, it will be missed by at least this humble player.
 
2012-09-14 02:06:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Expolaris: I'll miss that little gem.

I played CoH back when villains first came out, i started up with a friend of mine (which made it all the better)

Energy Fist Bruiser was fun to play So was super jump being able to clear buildings while my friend with super speed zipped between alleys below. My friend was moving so fast we had to turn his mouse sensitivity up to 300% or so just so he had fine tuned control while speeding along the ground.

also THOSE MAYHEM MISSIONS. Holy shiat as a bad guy going in and told to just muck up the place and rob a bank!? SO MUCH FUN. Especially when i was the bruiser outside tangling with the cops while my guys fought the enemy hero inside to get away with the goods. Of all the random quests i've done in MMOs those were just pure fun.

I went into an old photo bucket account i was using while i played... time to time travel to back when i couldn't afford anything better than the bare minimum requirements.

Ok so the clipping wasn't so good at first.

img src="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y4/R3ckl3ss7/screenshot_2006-05- 21-01-45-21.jpg" width="850" height="608">
All hail to the chief of my Supergroup

[i2.photobucket.com image 850x608]
I made him...i don't know what he does but i know his name is Captain LSD

People like you who use the "random button" to make costumes should just be genericed.


My main guy was the big black and orange robot dude. I wish i had a better shot, but i do have a pic of me messing around at my "desk" in my Super Group's base.

i2.photobucket.com

Captain LSD was more of a side project Psychic/Psychic controller , i didn't expect to get that result but when i hit random that that....thing showed up i simply had to bring it to life.
 
2012-09-14 02:14:45 PM  

Weisenheimer: So are we agreed that MMOs are a bad investment of one's time, energy and money? The recent shutdown of Star Wars Galaxies and now CoH seems to prove, to me, anyway, that off-line is the better long-term experience.


It really depends on how you play and how you define investment. I consider MMORPGs entertainment - and as such, they are very affordable compared to other forms of entertainment. One night out with my wife costs me 2-3 months worth of video game time.

Also, computer games are an excellent gateway into IT-related jobs. If that's you playing a game can be as important as going to college. I landed a full-time software development job largely because of a WoW-bot I'd written.

But yeah - ultimately it's all a waste of time.....and then we die.
 
2012-09-14 02:24:47 PM  

Ramen Pride!: justtray: Hopefully we've all learned to never buy another cyptic game or from anyone who ever worked there. Its fail, redefined

It's NCSoft's fault, not Cryptic's, but you are correct, in the sense that I'm watching the developments, I am the person who buys the games for my children, and I have a long memory.

If NCSoft truly has a habit of doing this sort of thing, like people have claimed, I don't ever want to hear this sort of anguish in my house ever again as my kids mourn the upcoming loss of their accounts and characters. Depending on how this develops, I'm thinking of not only refusing to invest in NCSoft products, but refusing to let my children play MMO games in general.


NCSoft does have a track record of shutting down unprofitable MMOs. But it'd be silly to think that any company would keep every game/service that they developed/acquired going in perpetuity.

Man, if that was the case, I'd still be playing games on my Xband today and then downloading some sweet new games via the Sega Channel.
 
2012-09-14 02:33:37 PM  

tlchwi02: oh ffs, we already had the fark "save our 8 year old game that doen't really pay the bills anymore" thread and it hardly got any comments. let it go


Use proper grammar and spell check when you biatch about something. Maybe people will take you seriously.

/friend of Manticore.
 
2012-09-14 02:38:16 PM  

Weisenheimer: So are we agreed that MMOs are a bad investment of one's time, energy and money? The recent shutdown of Star Wars Galaxies and now CoH seems to prove, to me, anyway, that off-line is the better long-term experience.


I'm still friends with people I played CoH with. It was a good investment for me.
 
2012-09-14 02:50:36 PM  
So is there any chance the players can say "kickstart' some kind of deal where they buy the code/rights and then hire the dev staff to run in on a private server, etc?
 
2012-09-14 03:22:03 PM  

Pipkin E: tlchwi02: oh ffs, we already had the fark "save our 8 year old game that doen't really pay the bills anymore" thread and it hardly got any comments. let it go

Use proper grammar and spell check when you biatch about something. Maybe people will take you seriously.

/friend of Manticore.


That and being correct would help him as well. According to NCSoft's own numbers CoH was still turning a profit. Just not at as a high of a margin as they hope GW2 is going to.

And Manticore? He's a freaking ta/arrows defender for God's sake. That's like being friends with Aquaman.
 
2012-09-14 03:35:13 PM  
Considering the server population started to go up after the Avengers came out, and super heroes are a hot commodity, why NCSoft would completely get out of that genre instead of coming up with a sequel is beyond me. The other comic book MMO's are lacklustre at best, especially that suckfest that is Champions. What I don't get is how games like Anarchy Online and such are still going? COH didn't have that small of playerbase. Hell, 10 years ago they would have been considered a huge success. In fact, they were before WoW inflated the numbers to the point that essentially ruined the MMO market.

I played COH for nearly its entire run, the occasional couple month gap here or there in the last couple years. It was the only game, short of Diablo 2 and the Fallouts, that actually kept my interest. My step daughter and niece were playing it. My sisters all played it. My friends played it. Hell, even my mother played it for a bit. It was the only game I have seen that literally anyone could play from level 1 to 50, and not have to fret about being out leveled, or having to grind for better gear or any of that other crap that comes from WoW and its clones.

And to be honest, fark guild wars. Played the first one for a few months, and abandoned it back to COH. It had its merit, but overall it was shiat. Same old fantasy crap, only with more leaning to PVP. COH had that beautiful mixture of Solo and Team based play that no other game has really put together IMHO. It was definitely showing its age, but it didn't deserve a death without a COH2 resurrection.
 
2012-09-14 03:38:41 PM  

Pipkin E: Use proper grammar and spell check when you biatch about something. Maybe people will take you seriously.


oh noes! someone on the internet didn't spell check and used improper grammar! because i did that, this thread instantly expands to 500+ posts and COH is renewed for 5 seasons and a movie.
 
2012-09-14 03:56:31 PM  
I think I had more fun playing with the character generator than I did playing the game itself. Especially when CoV came out and I had more options.
 
2012-09-14 04:18:28 PM  
I played COH since the original Beta, and would continue to play it now if it were kept alive. I subscribed yearly, and bought things in their store. It's disappointing that it was not profitable 'enough' to keep going, and that instead of renegotiating terms, or trying to improve profits, they just cut their losses.
 
2012-09-14 04:22:11 PM  
What motivation could a company possibly have for shutting down a game that was still profitable?
 
2012-09-14 04:23:15 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: shortymac: What do you think about Guild Wars 2?

Haven't played it. I completely lost track of the franchise for more than two years so I don't really know anything about it.

I feel kind of adrift in the MMO world right now. I've stayed away from GW2 because I feel like Anet/NCSoft just abandoned the original, I've lost interest in WoW because I think Cataclysm was just that, and I was going to try and get back into LOTRO but the game has gone play to win... there doesn't seem to be anything fun to play anymore.


Have you tried The Secret World? There's a free trial (look on the righthand side of the page):
http://www.thesecretworld.com/

I'd stayed away from MMO's for a while but it made me come back. Different premise than the standard sword and sorcery dragons & orcs, different leveling system. There are some folks who complain that they are running out of content, but I haven't yet.
 
2012-09-14 05:17:22 PM  

justtray: Hopefully we've all learned to never buy another cyptic game or from anyone who ever worked there. Its fail, redefined


Yep I learned that mistake as I bought the lifetime subscription to Star Trek. Sucker I is.
 
2012-09-14 05:46:11 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Treygreen13: If you really want CoH to continue, why not set up a free server and pay the devs to continue working on it?

Because you can't just take somebody else's copyrighted work and do whatever you want with it?


You must be new to the "dead MMO" market.
 
2012-09-14 06:15:10 PM  

dababler: CraicBaby: Played that game. It was a total grindfest, all the bad guys looked alike, all the zones looked the same, and it just outright sucked.

Lol wut? You obviously haven't played the game in years.


I played the game last month.

It was the same. But some people got some color swaps.

It just wasn't that interesting.

Currently playing GW2; it's not the best thing ever, but it's fun for now. Looking forward to Borderlands 2, Torchlight 2, Baldur's gate, and possibly trying Secret world at some point.
 
2012-09-14 07:54:55 PM  
I've been playing for the past four years and I intend to keep playing until the last day. The news of the shutdown was devastating -- not only for the players, but the dev team as well, who were almost ready to push out the next content patch.

The game was quite alive.

But nevermind that... It's great to see the community show their support for them like this. There were some great people on that team. :(
 
2012-09-14 08:23:23 PM  

jagermech: But nevermind that... It's great to see the community show their support for them like this. There were some great people on that team. :(


Truth. I was there on CoH launch day and I'll be on when they turn off the servers. I was a paying customer every day of that time.
I'm having a hard time logging bringing myself to log in, but I know I'll be there for the end.
 
2012-09-14 09:48:30 PM  
Since all MMOs are going to end eventually, companies would be wise to have an end game in mind. That way players experience an beginning, middle and end of the story of this world they've spent time and money in.

Instead of outrage that CoH is being cancelled, they could be preparing for a Crisis-level event that culminates with an epic battle for the fate of the universe on the final day.
 
2012-09-15 12:16:15 AM  

Kaybeck: Since all MMOs are going to end eventually, companies would be wise to have an end game in mind. That way players experience an beginning, middle and end of the story of this world they've spent time and money in.

Instead of outrage that CoH is being cancelled, they could be preparing for a Crisis-level event that culminates with an epic battle for the fate of the universe on the final day.


This would have worked, if it had been implemented and if City of Heroes was draining money.

As it is, NCSoft knifed the baby.
 
2012-09-15 12:28:08 AM  

Pipkin E: /friend of Manticore.


The developer?

Give him my regards. Anyway, averaging over $300 an hour for three hours should say pretty definitively that there's still a fandom that's hungry for this game. I really think that, if another publisher purchased the IP, they could recoup their investment inside of a year.

/But maybe I'm just optimistic
 
2012-09-15 07:54:31 AM  
I hope they're taking the original devs to dinner, not the idiots who put in the "build your own level so you can insta-50" crap. That stuff is what killed the game for three different supergroups I know of.
 
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